https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805…
What's your take? How much overstep is there by the government officials, and is Elon making a rational decision? I'd love to hear the usuals debate.
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So does the stock price go up or down with this news lol?
Up, but then when he’s arrested down
"If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me" lmao good guy Elon taking the consequences of his actions
How can this man get away with so many things? If Tim Cook did this, people would go insane!
I've wondered through this entire mess how the gov't can order businesses closed when the U.S. Constitution expressly prohibits government from impairing contracts (and endless contracts have been impaired as a result of gov't closures). What's more, this provision of the constitution has been vigorously enforced by the courts since forever. But let's say that we all agree there was some existential crisis and for a short period of time our civil liberties could be set aside. Ok, I'm down with that. We've had 9+ weeks for local governments to come up with health strategies that allow businesses to open as safely as possible, yet some governments, like my local government in Virginia, seem radically committed to a policy of quarantine and lockdown for an indefinite period of time based on an arbitrary "feel" of some local official. No strategy for re-opening, no objective figures to measure progress. It makes no difference whether or not the hospitals have capacity or not (and mine has endless capacity right now).
In the context where the local gov't has totally abdicated its leadership role and has instead committed to arbitrary decrees divorced from data or science, I feel local businesses are entirely justified in telling the gov't to flush off (constitutional liberties supersede arbitrary declarations of local officials). My moronic home county is one such county. As a result, I have this horrible painful broken toenail I need to get taken care of so I'm driving 90 mins on Saturday to the closest county with an open nail salon. On the other hand, if a local gov't is taking good faith, data-based measures toward safe reopenings and they've announced a reasonable timeline, I do believe businesses should do their best to work with the government. But ruling--literally ruling--on arbitrary decree is wrong. It's simply wrong--illegal, immoral, unscientific.
The business-closing orders probably wouldn't hold up if challenged in court. It'll be interesting to see what the legal fallout for all of this is going to be in terms of lawsuits against state governments
Different parts of the country are at different stages. New York is seeing cases drop, but Virginia for example is seeing cases rise ie you guys havent peaked yet. It sucks but there’s no way normal activity can resume without adequate testing, contact tracing etc. being implemented if we don’t want to overwhelm our healthcare system. People are still gonna come into the hospital for heart attacks, strokes, cancer etc. and until the gov’t sees a steady drop, a vaccine is developed and implements those measures it’s a sticky situation reopening.
1) I reject your premise on its face. Outside of maybe Italy for a few weeks, nowhere in the industrialized world was anywhere close to having their hospitals overwhelmed, including America's hotspot in NYC. This despite the endless different quarantine policies around the U.S. and the globe. There really is no solid correlation between quarantines and hospitals overwhelmed because no hospitals were overwhelmed...
2) No one can provide a rational explanation for how testing and contact tracing are going to save lives. You have some people who engage in this fantasy that the gov't is going to hire an army of contact tracers who will track down all of the contacts a confirmed C19 infected has had recent contact with and will forcibly quarantine those people. That's the most laughably unworkable plan imaginable in a continental nation of 330 million people with weak central governments (at all levels) with no legal authority to engage in such behavior. That will never work in the U.S. Who are these contact tracers going to be anyway?
3) The majority of deaths nationwide have come from nursing homes (e.g. 70% in Pennsylvania), and children are (virtually) unaffected. Now that we have the data that shows who is and isn't susceptible to C19, it makes more sense to target those people for quarantine and testing and not shut down the American economy further. There is no rational basis for it.
Wasn't he moving away the whole thing from Cali?
It made Robert Reich cry. Because that's what academics are good for, telling to people who do things how they should be done, but never do things themselves to begin with.
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