Exeter or Nottingham for Economics. Desiring IB/Front office role

So I have 4 choice already made: LSE, UCL, Warwick and St Andrews.
I need one more choice and it is between Exeter or Nottingham but I cannot decide between the two. I already have my A-level results so grades are not an issue.

I just want to know which of the two (Nottingham or Exeter) would be better suited to entering an Investment bank.

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Dec 31,2015

Nottingham definitely. No question about that.

I looked through my internship handbook and there are quite few from Notts, only one from Exeter. Plus you come across more Notts grads in FO role than Exeter on Linkedin.

Tip for anyone unsure which university/college to choose from: Just type in something like "Nottingham University Economics" in Linkedin search bar and look at their bio then do the same for Exeter. That way you'll have a good idea.

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Dec 31,2015

Also may I ask why did you chose St Andrews?

Not putting St Andrews down, it is a very good University but it is not that targeted by banks. You could easily choose Bristol over St Andrews for example.

 
Dec 31,2015

Hi there, thank you for responding, I chose St Andrews mainly because I did not do Maths at A-level and had to be careful where I chose my economics/economics variation course e.g. history, politics and economics at UCL, Economic History LSE.
Do not get me wrong I would have definitely applied to Bristol if requirements allowed.

I am currently on a gap year and am brushing up on the relevant maths i.e. Statistics and econometrics

 
Dec 31,2015

Some good degree choices there. But don't differentiate your degree choices too much otherwise your personal statement will look odd.

Anyway, the answer is still the same - Notts over Exeter any time.

 
Dec 31,2015

What do you guys think to Leeds uni, loughborough and Manchester uni for IB?

 
Dec 31,2015
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What do you guys think to Leeds uni, loughborough and Manchester uni for IB?

Loughborough > Manchester > Leeds but again it will be very difficult and unusual. I have never seen an IB analyst from any of those universities.

 
Dec 31,2015

Thanks. From Linkedin there does seem to be one or two but yeah not many. I've noticed a lot of 10-20 ranked Uni's go to the big4, given you're from the UK aswell is this true?

 
Dec 31,2015

Yes very very doable. Of course the most competitive spots (London office, corporate finance divisions etc.) will still tend to go to the most competitive candidates but even they are not out of reach at all for a top student from the likes of Loughborough/Manchester/Leeds.

 
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Dec 31,2015
Silverspoon:

Thanks. From Linkedin there does seem to be one or two but yeah not many. I've noticed a lot of 10-20 ranked Uni's go to the big4, given you're from the UK aswell is this true?

Actually, your chances are best from Manc because loads of banks visit Manc just because of how big their student body is. Leeds & L'Boro are not really targetted by banks at all, and no diff btwn them for IB.

Whilst IB's have a Top 5/6 bias, Big 4 have a Russel Group / Top 20 bias, so as long as you're in those groups you should be fine.

You know you've been working too hard when you stop dreaming about bottles of champagne and hordes of naked women, and start dreaming about conditional formatting and circular references.

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Dec 31,2015

Exeter and Nottingham are about the same and neither are well represented.

For a front office role in London, any of the following will get you plenty of interviews: Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL, Durham, Bristol, Warwick, Imperial. Places like Cass and LBS have success with their masters students.

Of course you see people from other British universities but the above and the European business schools fill 99% of spots.

 
Dec 31,2015
LDN BNKR:

Exeter and Nottingham are about the same and neither are well represented.

For a front office role in London, any of the following will get you plenty of interviews: Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL, Durham, Bristol, Warwick, Imperial. Places like Cass and LBS have success with their masters students.

Of course you see people from other British universities but the above and the European business schools fill 99% of spots.

Actually that's not correct.

In London about 70% of candidates come from 6 unis: Oxbridge, LSE, Warwick, UCL & Imperial.

Then second tier would be likes of Durham, Bristol and Notts.

Exeter would be in third tier that doesnt get significant numbers in.

You know you've been working too hard when you stop dreaming about bottles of champagne and hordes of naked women, and start dreaming about conditional formatting and circular references.

 
Dec 31,2015

I agree with above. Everything he said is correct.

1) Notts is better than Exeter. Trust me I know - I've seen two/three intakes and I've seen plenty from Notts & only one or two from Exeter.

2) What above said about Manchester is absolutely correct. They are targeted by banks and will look much better on your C.V. over Leeds/Loughborough. Again, this is through experience, I've seen a steady drip of Manchester students getting places at various banks. I would say it is morel like this Manchester > Loughborough > Leeds.

 
Dec 31,2015

You clearly do not work in investment banking. Stop spreading misinformation.

You think students at Manchester have the best chances? BBs visit Manchester to hire for back office roles, not to hire investment bankers.

Here is a simple test: do the likes of Evercore/Moelis/Lazard hire from Manchester and Nottingham? No. Do they hire from the likes of Durham and Bristol? I know for a fact that they do.

There is no 'second tier'. The difference in desirability of students from within the top universities is negligible and since no other university consistently sends people to FO roles, there is no 'second tier'.

 
Dec 31,2015
LDN BNKR:

You clearly do not work in investment banking. Stop spreading misinformation.

You think students at Manchester have the best chances? BBs visit Manchester to hire for back office roles, not to hire investment bankers.

Here is a simple test: do the likes of Evercore/Moelis/Lazard hire from Manchester and Nottingham? No. Do they hire from the likes of Durham and Bristol? I know for a fact that they do.

There is no 'second tier'. The difference in desirability of students from within the top universities is negligible and since no other university consistently sends people to FO roles, there is no 'second tier'.

Yes, everything that comes out your mouth is right because you say it is.

Advice I would give OP is that w.r.t to any questions about IB at the undergrad level in the UK (eg. spring weeks, summer internships, grad roles & recruitment) the best source is actually The Student Room's IB forum. Discussions like these have been beaten to death on there, a million times over.

WSO is best source for anything related to IB in the US (and Asia), and IB/PE in UK at levels above graduate hiring.

You know you've been working too hard when you stop dreaming about bottles of champagne and hordes of naked women, and start dreaming about conditional formatting and circular references.

 
Dec 31,2015

Thanks. I noticed they had a few forums going on but I didn't really trust what they were saying, I'll give it a look.

 
Dec 31,2015

Can you stop this crap? It is actually quite harmful to students who are looking for advice.

How old are you? You are not an investment banker. As far as I can tell you haven't even done an internship or attended an assessment centre for one, if you are even at university yet. You have no insight so please shut up and stop adding noise.

 
Dec 31,2015
LDN BNKR:

Can you stop this crap? It is actually quite harmful to students who are looking for advice.

How old are you? You are not an investment banker. As far as I can tell you haven't even done an internship or attended an assessment centre for one, if you are even at university yet. You have no insight so please shut up and stop adding noise.

I'm gonna be 12 in March.

The irony here is just too delicious.

You know you've been working too hard when you stop dreaming about bottles of champagne and hordes of naked women, and start dreaming about conditional formatting and circular references.

 
Dec 31,2015

There is definitely undisclosed bias in the comments of other posters in this thread. Anybody reading this who wants an impartial and accurate opinion should ignore doppelanger and Zweihander.

 
Dec 31,2015

Calm down. No need to get aggressive. We are having a constructive discussion here and that is the point of having a forum like this, so lets be civil.

Back on the point - Evercore/Moelis/Lazard may not hire from Manc and Notts, but that is because they do not have the resources to do so. On the other hand, BB banks do have the resources and I have seen hires from Manchester/Notts into FO roles. That is not from one summer either - I've seen two or three cohorts. This is a fact.

And you are claiming that there is no such thing as a second tier. This is incorrect. There is a second tier. What Zweihander said is accurate. For example, you'd get interviews easily as a LSE student whereas it would be harder for Bristol/Notts students to get the same amount of interviews.

 
Dec 31,2015

Well there you have it, folks.

 
Dec 31,2015

How would you say networking before applying affects the chances of gaining interviews? Because although here we have a more structured process (open online application to anyone) compared to the US, that doesn't mean that everyone has the same chance of getting in.

 
Dec 31,2015

It is not necessary like it is in the US, but when banks do their campus presentations you can definitely get interviews off the back of making a good impression. Outside of that, setting up coffees and phone calls can only help and at the least give you something to talk about if you get to interview.

 
Dec 31,2015

How common is that? And can you achieve that by just asking smart questions and being sociable/normal?

Apologies for the bombardment of questions, its just that I feel there's little information for people in the UK, particularly when the application process is quite different compared to the US.

 
Dec 31,2015

Actually quite common and increasingly so. Some places (e.g. Greenhill) have a specific meeting with their recruiters after their networking events where the representatives highlight the candidates that they spoke to and liked. Some places take a photo of you as you go in and give you a name badge to make identification easier later - this is a clue. HR actively ask around at lots of firms but even where they don't, they still listen to referrals, assuming the candidate has a good profile otherwise.

Obviously you have to gauge it to the specific representative. If you think they want to talk about finance then talk about finance but if they want to get drunk and bitch about a new film or something you should do that. At the end of the day you will be best served by being yourself so do not worry too much, just try to expose yourself to as many representatives from as many firms as you can and eventually it will click.

 
Dec 31,2015

Wow okay, didn't know that. Given that you seem to know quite a bit about IB is it cool if I pm you a couple of questions?

 
Dec 31,2015

Of course. No need to ask permission.

 
Dec 31,2015

You are correct. Not everyone has the same chance of getting in - most of it depends on what type of uni you go to really.

What LDN Banker said above is accurate. Networking definitely helps. All the interviews I got was through networking and meeting with people from HR. I remember few years ago where I met a senior at an event and he liked me, so I got an offer through that. I would never had an offer if I did not go to the event.

 
Dec 31,2015
LDN BNKR:

There is definitely undisclosed bias in the comments of other posters in this thread. Anybody reading this who wants an impartial and accurate opinion should ignore doppelanger and Zweihander.

I'm more than happy for people to ignore me.

Who needs knowledge, when ignorance rewards itself.

You know you've been working too hard when you stop dreaming about bottles of champagne and hordes of naked women, and start dreaming about conditional formatting and circular references.

 
Dec 31,2015

Ok thanks guys. I think I will be putting Nottingham as my last choice. My choices (assuming I get all offers) are LSE>UCL>Warwick>St Andrews> Nottingham

 
Nov 30,2017

I would expect consensus to be LSE. But definitely give people more historical data on their output/feed into banks. What is your guidance? Might want to lower/raise your expectation if you expect something to happen in Q4'17

 
Nov 30,2017