So recently I had the "pleasure" of attending a community service event for my scholarship that was a free speech rally. The subject was Feminism. Now I consider my self pretty liberal when it comes to social freedoms, etc. but during the debate, I raised a subject perhaps viewed by some as sexist.
Naturally, I was one of about 4 males there fulfilling an approx 8:1 female to male ratio and was nearly jumped. What does everyone else think about Feminism and Feminists in general? Glass ceiling etc? I'm all for equality, but some distiguinishing differences exist between the sexes that Feminists seem to think if acknowledged are "sexist".
Any thoughts?
This goes for everyone, not just for females: If you have a self, you don't have to do anything to prove it. Trying too hard to paint a picture of what should and should not be correct or incorrect is very childish. Relax, accept that there are differences between you and males, fundamentally there and implemented by a gazillion years of instincts.
If you think you shouldn't shave your legs, that's fine honey; just don't shove it down my throat.
I also pointed out (to much disdain of the female audience) that men seem to excel in certain fields that women do not (STEM). To which they replied that women are socially conditioned to avoid these. I'm not saying women are less capable than men in these fields, simply questioning their apparent lack of acumen in them on a broader scale. I fail to see how women are "socially conditioned" when in my upbringing, it was typically more acceptable for a female to try and to excel in studies than it was for male counterparts without being branded nerd/loser.
I reiterate that I completely agree that women are as capable as men in these fields, however I don't approve of the Feminist view of elevating female students to apply and succeed in these fields. E.g. I am from Montana and am living in NY, studying finance and hopefully working on Wall Street. Social conditioning however would have me studying forestry at UofM. So I guess I am largely agreeing with your "you are who you are" conclusion.
You lucky bastard.
Room full of feminists girls, i.e. not that lucky bro haha
Did your dick get chopped off?
Pretty much share the same view. Hardcore feminists are really annoying; even other women hate them. I'm all for "equality" but truth is (obvious Nabooru is obvious) men and women are inherently different. What does feminism say about holding doors open for women, or helping some girl move heavy furniture or something? I'd like to hear what a feminist has to say about this, because otherwise it seems hypocritical that feminists only want "equality" when it's "convenient."
Relevant, Nigahiga on feminism:
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I celebrate and LIKE the differences between men and women, and encourage both women and men to embrace these things. When it comes to pay, rights, and gender roles, well....everyone HAS TO get an equal shot based on contribution. THAT is what America is all about: every person has value and their contribution HAS TO be weighed on its own merit.
I totally agree with you. I think we're generally treated better in daily life. Although I don't rely on men (except for my dad) or expect them to do anything for me, being female comes with certain perks ;) Read "The Feminine Mystique" if you're interested in feminism.
Feminism has gone to the extreme. I predict marriage rate will continue to go down and divorce rate will continue to go up. The issue is the most men are refusing to deal with their counterparts who have totally been brainwashed by the feminists. All women can say to men these days is that "we are pigs and we are not worthy of your affections". I have collected a series of clips where this anger is coming from:
P.S. To my fellow men, look East and marry Asian women. There is still hopes left.
You can get saucy wee crackers in Wan Chai.
I love feminist bitches
OP: look up "social constructs of gender roles"
And for one of the best poetry slams, ever:
[quote=guerrillagrrl]OP: look up "social constructs of gender roles"
And for one of the best poetry slams, ever:
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I can't really tell what your stance is on this subject.
Well, my user name is guerrillagrrl. So, there's that. The link was provided to educate you. I also don't waste time arguing about the right level of feminism and whether or not we should burn the uber feminists from the 70s that still seem to pervade peoples idea of a feminist. There is a third wave of feminism today that focus on very different issues than those in the past.
Sorry for the delay in response, have been very busy starting the movement.
I'm hungry...
I'm a little baffled here, why is "holding doors" being used in the context that it is? I hold doors for women, men, white, black, elderly, children, and everyone in between. I thought holding the door so that it doesn't slam into the face of a person walking behind you was just a common courtesy, a bare minimum in a civilized society, if you will. Come to find out I've been doing it all wrong and should reserve this highly laborious and inconvenient undertaking for cases when the subject in question recognizes my superiority.
Can someone actually define feminism?
The way it was defined at my convention, was the right for both sexes to the same political, social, and economic opportunities. And then it deteriorated into an argument whether or not women are as capable at playing professional sports as men, haha. Which all equality aside is straight bs. Same goes for combat/war in my books.
There are different types of feminism. There's the "equality" type of feminism, which advocates the idea that men and women should be treated equally in all aspects of life. I support this type of feminism
Then there's the militant feminists (colloquially known as femi-nazis) who are just anti-men in general. They are very obnoxious, and are equally as sexist as the men who were against women's right to vote, in my opinion.
Edit: Another thing, I think that wage discrepancies are not entirely a result of sexism (maybe slightly), but more so because 1) women tend to pursue lower paying careers in general 2) women ask for raises much less often than men do. Both are statistical facts.
+1 for both of you. I feel like santa claus
I think this whole wage disparity is bullshit. Women run HR and HR is the heart beat of payroll. The idea that this bastion of femdom would allow women to get screwed is beyond me. Either way a bunch of angry trolls is only going to hurt women, not help them.
Ant, payroll doesn't actually make payroll decisions. they just process the paychecks and thank their lucky stars they have a job. I don't think anyone is going to jeopardize his/her job to protect someone else's rights, especially since it is impossible to bring attention to the problem without discussing it, and discussing people's salary is grounds for immediate firing and most likely getting blackballed from ever working in payroll/HR.
Q: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb? A: 10- 1 to change the light bulb, 3 to make a documentary about it and 6 to form a support group for survivors of darkness
If I had a SB, I would have given it to you.
Argo, my point is more along the lines of if HR sees discrepancy or sexism, they would be able to alert the government or call attention to this somehow.
Yes, I agree there is a level of sexism still, but it is greatly diminished. Furthermore, how come there is no out cry or attempt at correcting an imbalance with nursing. This issue is much like affirmative action or hate crimes. An attempt at fairness unless you are a white male.
ANT, you have an astonishingly primitive view of things. For starters payroll doesn't know what exactly anyone does, or people's qualifications. So there's not really a way to look at Jack's and Jill's salaries and say with certainty that Jill is being discriminated against. Getting paid less=/= unfair or discriminatory compensation. That can be determined only when a study is undertaken, by people with an authority to review pay data AND qualifications/job duties data.
Why would there need to be an attempt to correct an imbalance in nursing? There's no data suggesting that female nurses get paid more than male nurses, or that entry barriers prevent males from enrolling in either nursing program or getting hired. I also doubt that women nurses have the power to influence how the male nurse is seen by supervisors, since a nurse's performance depends on hours he/she works, and patients' feedback; there's almost no "teamwork", like it is expected in engineering and business.
When they start paying for my drinks and paying on the first date, I'll hear them out.
Haha, do you think a feminist would make herself pay for the first whole date? Or cite the fact that they make $0.75/1 a male makes and insist that therefore you should pay? Catch-22
if i'm paying for the whole date, I better get at least one PeePee touch
Go on a date with an ugly/fat chick - she'll buy you a dinner and give you a blowjob. SMH
I thought we are asking for equality here. If I were going out with my hot co-worker who made the same amount as me (including all comps), I should still pay for the date? Net net, I end up with a loss. Unless I am getting laid. Then I just paid for sex. Isn't that prostitution?
To clarify, feminists pick and choose. If they want equality it needs to encompass everything. Want me to dither laundry? Fix my car bitch. Want me to vacuum? Fix the sink. Want to be CEO? Do a real fucking degree, and thirst for money and power like the rest of us. The CEO title won't fall into your lap. And stop taking maternity leave unless we get paternity leave.
Also, UFO I've been there and done that too regarding the drinks only, not date. If they want equality, they need to not expect the guys to have to sway them.
I completely agree with you. But the women still like to throw a curve ball, "you are not being a gentleman". Gender inequality is still there. See the image attached.
http://www.theglasshammer.com/news/2012/04/19/stem-fields-something’s-gotta-give/#more-8514
Look - women today have better social conditioning when it comes to pursuing fields that have traditionally been male-dominated. But women are not really reaching the highest levels in their career or pay scale for a variety of reasons.
When we get knocked up and take time away from the workforce we start falling behind. Biologically there isn't anything we can do about it. Paternity leave has been introduced and is growing in acceptance but has not been the equalizer as of yet.
There are still many many areas where feminism is needed.
Worrying about who pays for the first date is the last of our feminist concerns. Believe me. (Hint - whoever asks the other one out should pay)
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