Final Presidential Debate

Decided to get this going as there was a big thread about the last debate. Curious to see what everyone thinks and what points are brought up.

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:06pm

Trump dominant 

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:14pm

Biden sounds confident whereas Trump sounds unraveled. Enjoyed the "he's a very confused guy" comment.

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:21pm

Who cares that we can't find the parents of 500 kids, the conditions they're staying in are great!!!

Yup. This right here. As a parent of young kids, this alone is disqualifying.

you didn't make good choices; you had good choices

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:30pm

My view is that the Giants are winning 14-10 over the Eagles but the game is far from over

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:30pm

Another clear and easy win for Vice President Biden. Not only did Biden run away with it tonight, but it was his best debate of the entire election - primaries included. 
 

Get ready boys. Less than two weeks now. 

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:30pm

Nothing unethical about his family members getting paid to gain his favor while he was representing the US in pertinent policy decisions impacting the agents paying his family. That's just good ole fashioned Scranton, PA common sense there. Come on, man!

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:30pm

Enough with the fan fiction.

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

CRE

Enough with the fan fiction.

Hate to break it to you big guy but this shit's canon. But keep patting the coordinated suppression of government corruption in the executive office by news and social media groups though, it'll definitely never come back around in a bad way. I bet that's exactly what Harry Reid thought while removing the super majority the Senate used to require for confirming SCOTUS nominees too.

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

It's hilarious watching Trump supporters seize on a far fetched conspiracy theory to argue that Biden shouldn't be President because he may have helped place his son in a position to enrich himself, while keeping their heads in the sand for 4 years while Trump has given his daughter and son-in-law Senior Advisor positions in the White House even though they have zero qualifications, "encouraged" visiting dignitaries and world leaders to stay at his DC-area hotels as a way to curry favour with his administration, and spent a fuck ton of taxpayer money on housing the Secret Service and administration at various Trump hotels and golf courses (especially Mar-a-Lago). The biggest grifter to ever disgrace the office of President. Oh, the irony.

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

Fan fiction or not. Every single politician and business person has some dirt on them. 

Did Biden use his position to give Hunter a job? Probably. 

Was there corruption involved? It's a case of typical nepotism but I don't think it was necessarily corrupt.

Was Biden unethical in helping out his son? Depends on how you see it. If you think that Biden was just trying to be a good dad and help out his son in any way he can, then it was a nice thing to do. If you think that VPs should never ever use their power in a way like that, then it was probably inappropriate.

Does this mean that Biden is somehow more unqualified? Hell no. Trump does the exact same thing with nepotism. He's even running his businesses while he's the POTUS. 

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

CRE

Another clear and easy win for Vice President Biden. 

How could you possibly think this? How come all Trump fanboys think Trump won in a landslide. And all the Biden fanboys think Biden won in a landslide. 

I mean there is thing called objectivity that should kick in. Are y'all not even trying?

but it was his best debate of the entire election - primaries included. 

Agreed. No noticeable gaffes, high energy, and articulate. All that without backing down on Trump and sometimes even doubling down on the offense.

At the same time, Trump was back to his 2016 self so also his best debate as well.

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Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

For the record, I voted for Biden.

But come on man, your posts get tiring at times... this was a much better Trump and he definitely hit on key weaknesses of Biden. If this form of Trump was on the campaign trail, then we may have had a different election.

Also, if this is any fair metric, the media is reporting this as a draw. I personally think Trump had a good showing here.

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:30pm

Tie. 

Trump was good on couple points - 47 years vs 47 months, possible corruption of Biden, N.Korea, and minimum wage (personally hate minimum wage but it you can't get rid of it at least let it be decided on a local level).

Trump was poor on trying to target Biden on things he didn't say (the Radical Left framing), not explaining any of his plans just repeating what he has done (does he really have a plan on anything?), and looking like an impersonable asshole.

Biden was good on being the uniter, detailed policy plans, explaining his climate plan and focusing on the catching 2 birds with 1 stone (more jobs + better environment), and being just the "better" person.

Biden was poor on explaining the emails (too evasive), explaining why he couldn't do some things he said would've done (satisfactory performance tbh, but honestly, could've turned it around on Trump by saying "At least I have a plan, you don't even have any"), and on North Korea plan (like he really thinks the same plan of economic sanctions would work? More economic sanctions, more weapons North Korea will build). + minimum wage (does Biden even understand that different places have different costs of living?)

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

Thing about energy is its an input in all parts of the economy. Start making it more expensive and energy intensive parts of the economy which generally have good paying blue collar jobs go away. Also, higher energy prices aren't exactly progressive as they harm the poor more than anyone as utilities make up a far greater % of their income. Double my utility rates and I wont like it but I wont have to adjust my lifestyle. To a lot of people that would cause immense harm.

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

You're discussing economics here. I'm just discussing how well the candidates articulated their points. An average undecided voter is not gonna know more than basic supply and demand about economics.

Now to discuss the actual economics of things.

On the jobs issue, it's a tricky question. On one hand, we have an existential crisis called climate change. On the other, we have jobs and the economy. Like many things in economics, this is a clear trade-off in the short-term. Job losses is why I am favor (and will always be til I die) of ideas like Negative Income Tax/UBI and a robust education system that creates highly flexible and adaptable workforce. If you have the 2, no one will lose out on income if they lose their jobs and they'll be able to find new jobs a lot faster. Given the safety nets are in place, then now you can start fighting climate change. 

But as for the prices, if you regulate the production then the prices go up. So in order to counter that, you'd also have to put a price ceiling. Now the businesses complain, so you have to give them subsidies or tax cut incentives. More subsidies and tax cut incentives will be applied to get the oil companies to invent in becoming more clean and even potentially start branching out to the renewable energy sources. Also, if you think about it, we're gonna run out of oil anyways. So earlier we start, the better (imagine the global chaos and violence that will happen competing over what little of oil is left). Personally I'd rather take an economic blow for 5~10 years than live in an apocalyptical world (or let my children live in such a world).

I do generally agree with the "message" of Biden's climate plan and even some of the details. It's very comprehensive and at least attempts "soften the blow" to the economy as much as possible while giving enough time and resources to generate economic growth in the long-term through renewable energy sources. Despite being very anti-regulation, making sure you don't pollute is actually a key example of Milton Friedman's thoughts on what are some essential regulations. So I'm fine with this plan on principle.

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

This didn't move the needle for anyone. Trump was more restrained and composed after facing criticism for his behavior last time, Biden was bland and had no major gaffes. Based on polls, Trump needed to be the decisive winner, and I don't really think there was one. Honestly speaking, I think that if Trump had acted the way he did tonight in the first debate, then his performance tonight would have been fine. But as I already said, if we are to believe any polls at all, then he needed to do more than fine, and I don't think anyone can objectively say that he did.

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

Tricky Triangles

Proof trump won that this forum should appreciate 

https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/specials/politics/20201023-2020-…

Oh really?

https://www.oddsshark.com/politics/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/

Also presidential betting odds no longer serve as a proxy for outcome possibilities. Because political consultants figured it out and they try to temper with it all the time to "influence" the way people see things. Honestly doesn't mean much nowadays.

Same thing with polls, no one does it the right way.

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

I think it was mostly a tie. 

I do think Trump might have lured back some republicans/independents who wanted to vote for him but were discouraged after his performance in the prior debate. That might produce a slight bump in the polls. 

Other than that, I think the race doesn't change. As they say, when you're ahead, a tie is a win. So I think that's a way to look at it from Biden's perspective. Irrespective of which candidate you support. 

Oct 22, 2020 - 10:31pm

MrJack5

Yeah fuck Biden and the Dems, bunch of dogs

More like cats. They like to curl up in their homes and not interact with people much. But if you try to fuck with them, they get fiesty and start hissing.

Trump is the dog here. He's the high energy hairball running around visiting bunch of places all excited.

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