Finding Associate X

Having entered the working world in corporate finance with the plan to try to move IBD, I've spent a lot of time talking to and doing some initial networking. I graduated from a target school and was in a fraternity where a lot of close friends went to work at BB's and elite boutiques.

I've found these connections have been infinitely more valuable in learning about the process because they are 100% (really more like 120%) honest with you about what happens behind the scenes compared to random people you network with (and need to be professional with). Thus I thought I'd share some insight.

At almost every bank it seems there is an Associate X (or sometimes VP too) who is THE guy to know. Your chances of finding him off the bat with a linkedin search are slim. A critical thing i've learned is that it is a great idea to start with analysts. Directors and MD's have a lot on their plate and often times barely know (or don't even know) who the analysts are in the group unless they've been on deals together. They are further removed from the recruitment process then you'd think until the later stages.

I would say most every target school has a head recruiter (associate X) and he is in charge of the process for that school and for pushing laterals through. He/She often leads the selection process and generally wields the most influence in deciding who gets through to the next round. I would say the best way to find this person is to talk to analysts/associates because they are the ones who can get your resume directly to the guy who is in charge. It's risky relying on just a few random people because they may not be at the selection meeting or they may not be as pushy as you'd like.

I'll give an example of the way one of these selection meetings went at a BB:
-Associate X gathers all the analysts, most associates, and a few VPs who are alumni at the target school. 100+ people have applied for 10 spots. 3 spots have already been claimed by referred candidates (1 had business connections, 2 were passed through by very senior MD's and were likely family friends).
-The list was wound down by GPA and 3.5 and below were almost instantly cut without regards to experience unless 1) exceptional experience (name brand internships) 2) person was backed by someone in the room
-Almost all (and I literally mean 90%+, even 4.0's+) were tossed without much regard if no one in the room knew them
-After about 20 remained the cuts got even more intense/ridiculous. A guy who put Lebron James in his interests was cut because someone disliked the heat. A girl with a perfect 4.0 GPA was cut because her font was weirdly centered at the top. Someone with some obscure literature interest was put through because two people were intrigued by the author.
-Associate X generally has a lot of power to push his guys through since the performance of this group is heavily on him. In this case he basically single handedly pushed 2-3 of his guys through out of the 7 spots because he vouched for them.

I realize this post is getting long. But that is some incite into how interviews are actually granted. I don't know if this happens at every bank but I've heard from at least 3 different bankers at separate BB's that it's similar. The point is you have to know people and you have to know the right people. Having people who will talk candidly with you about the process is incredibly valuable and will be the ones who are more likely to stick their neck out for you.

 

This is solid advice. I've seen people at my bank get weeded out for ridiculous things. Once you narrow it down to 40-50 candidates with high GPAs, good ECs and respectable schools for only a few slots then you simply start running out of ways to filter people.

I've found that it is a more effective strategy to focus on MDs with smaller groups where they have more personal involvement with their analysts. You can almost always secure at least a first round if you get a good junior banker to back you (assuming you are a decent candidate).

 

so when you say "associate X", you literally mean an associate, as opposed to a VP? this surprises me because i've never really got the feeling that associates were running the process

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Solidarity:

80% of the time "that associate" is the staffer

This has been true for both my current job and my last one.

matayo:

so when you say "associate X", you literally mean an associate, as opposed to a VP? this surprises me because i've never really got the feeling that associates were running the process

It is not necessarily an actual associate. It can be a VP (and again, it was for my current and last job).

 
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Solidarity:

80% of the time "that associate" is the staffer

I would agree with this with everything I know.

Someone asked how to find this person and the answer is 99% of the time you need to find the person who will bring you to them. Imagine you are doing a linkedin search and you email a random guy in some group at a BB who went to your school. Sure it's possible he is the guy in charge of hiring, but chances are you will talk to someone who will only maybe sit in on the selection meeting or maybe forward your resume to associate/vp X.

However, every person at the bank will know who the person in charge of hiring is. If someone networks with me for my current role I know exactly who to pass their resume along to IF I think they are actually a good candidate.

So my advice, and I think this is life advice as well, is to find someone you connect with. For better or worse, people like other people like themselves. Therefore if you're a nerdy and scrawny kid, don't reach out to the former D1 football player. There are plenty of other nerdy people at banks who will be the ones to help you out. Again, no one is going to put themselves out there recommending someone they don't trust and more importantly, don't like. Find the person who will like you and they can 100% get you the recommendation and resume pass to the guy who actually makes the final decisions.

 
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Solidarity:

80% of the time "that associate" is the staffer

I would agree with this with everything I know.

Someone asked how to find this person and the answer is 99% of the time you need to find the person who will bring you to them. Imagine you are doing a linkedin search and you email a random guy in some group at a BB who went to your school. Sure it's possible he is the guy in charge of hiring, but chances are you will talk to someone who will only maybe sit in on the selection meeting or maybe forward your resume to associate/vp X.

I'm getting too old to contribute to the WSO target/non-target shitfest, but recruiting is where the rubber meets the road.

If you're in a fraternity, older brothers who are analysts and associates will hook you up. I met one of my mentors at homecoming weekend.

One of the best groups on the street took 2-3 kids from my alma mater, year in and year out. Now, that group has kids from Penn State, Maryland... not to say the quality of the candidates has dropped, but the guy running the recruiting process left, and the level of competition has tapered off. For better or worse, the nature of recruiting has changed over the past few years. It feels like you can't even give away an BB gig nowadays.

dutchduke:

Sounds like the people that you will end up working with are tools...oh wait that is what its like! (kidding somewhat)

VPs were the backbone of our recruiting decision making but guess it differs

The dynamics differ from group to group, but at the end of the day, it's the analysts who run the show. Your second years are the ones training these kids.

You do get your pet project hires... we had one kid who was such a poor fit that when it came around to recruiting, none of the MD's went up to bat for the kid.

 

Back when I was in IB, we received a resume from a guy who had "Yo-yo champion" in his accomplishments section. He was immediately cut.

It's funny how some people get punished for being good at something just because of what that something is and peoples' perception of what a person who does that something is like.

"Once bread becomes toast, it can never go back."
 

Sounds like the people that you will end up working with are tools...oh wait that is what its like! (kidding somewhat)

VPs were the backbone of our recruiting decision making but guess it differs

 

This is basically the same for corporate finance.

While it may not be as prestigious or competitive (those points can be argued, but I believe they're generally true) recruiting is still an intense process. For the F500 roles it is "Manager X" that is typically running everything.

Recruiting is completely a numbers game, but finding Associate X of Manager X definitely improves your odds.

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