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With the 2020 season well on its way and basically none of my friends into F1, thought I'd turn to you guys to ask about your thoughts and predictions for this season? I'm beyond excited for my favorite track this weekend at Spa but the upcoming triple-header is going to be incredible. 

Personally have been a RBR fan since I started following F1 in the 2000s so I am fully team Max and Albon at the moment but curious to see what everyone thinks of the grid at the moment. (Please no posting about how Lewis is going to win the 7th WDC title, I know - respect though)

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Aug 30, 2020 - 4:50am

It's rough given Vettel is a favorite of mine since middle school but his blatant lack of attention and treatment at ferrari this year has been disgusting. Just listen to his team radio if any doubts. I love leclerc and think he is a pile of raw talent but again, I don't think he can win races with that donkey of a car. And I think he's one of three drivers on the grid who can extract just that extra bit from his machinery alongside Lewis and Max but its tough in 2020 when you are Ferrari and can't make it out of Q1/2

 
Aug 30, 2020 - 3:40pm

Agree with the interesting or nothing point. Correct me if I’m wrong, but 3 DRS zones sounds a bit excessive given the length of the straights. Ferrari, Alfa and Haas are in for a bad time. Renault will have a field day if they can build on todays straight-line speed, true. I’m looking forward to it, but if I’m honest I feel as if any half competent driver can win/get a podium on the outer track, as long as they have the right car.

 
Aug 30, 2020 - 5:13am

IMO Binotto needs to be sacked although some may say he'll just be a scapegoat anyway but more importantly he was supposed to be the engine genius, and as we've seen Ferrari have actually built a decent chassis (very quick on low-speed corners) but a shit engine that's way off pace. Also the way he handled the whole Vettel situation just screams inept management

 

loving the f1 discussions...lets keep the ball rolling haha

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Aug 29, 2020 - 3:19pm

I’ve been an RBR fan since like 2017. I honestly feel as if Albon is massively underrated. He’s put on a dog-shit strategy, charges up the midfield and still ends up in 5th-7th usually. Definitely a race winner in the making. Max is legit the only person that can take it to Lewis this year, he’s an incredible driver and most definitely a WDC winner soon. Williams making moves right now, Russel coming on very well for them. Absolute shame with Vettel and Ferrari, he deserves more than the sorry excuse of a strategist Ferrari currently employs. I hope he takes the Aston Martin seat next year, driving alongside Perez. Lance Stroll (although a good driver) doesn’t deserve the second seat. 
 

Cannot wait for a flat-out turn 8 in Istanbul, and a return to Imola. This years track line up looks amazing.

 
Aug 29, 2020 - 5:25pm

Another RBR fan here! I am a huge Albon fan and he's got huge potential, and it's part of the issue is that his teammate is one of the strongest pure racers we have on the grid at the moment so it's extremely hard to equal, let alone top Max. I'd like to see him perform well tomorrow starting in 5th, RBR need him up at the front to disrupt the Mercedes strategies, as Max vs Bottas + Hamilton is always tough when you have a second Mercedes able to back him up, or threaten the undercut. With Albon at the front (hopefully) tomorrow we can see much more of a team battle and some strategy games that we've missed this year

 
Aug 30, 2020 - 2:38pm

Post race thoughts:

Brilliant work from Renault, this is what Danny Ric signed up for way back in 2018. It’d be great to see more results like this from them in the future.

An absolute clusterfuck from Ferrari. Race engineers need to be fired and Binotto can fuck right off. I can’t say anything that hasn’t already been said about Ferrari, but they seriously need to sort themselves out.

Decent result for RBR. Nothing to write home about.

What a shame for Carlos, he’s been so unlucky this season what with the tire issue and today’s DNS. McLaren aren’t giving us the season we had hoped for when Lando got that podium. 

Apart from a crash and a relatively short safety car stint, this race was very much “It’s lights out and Lewis Hamilton wins the Belgian Grand Prix!”

 
Aug 29, 2020 - 4:51pm

Albon has been unlucky this season, but I personally think hes the real deal.  If the budget cap helps RBR close the gap to the Merc, I wouldn't be surprised if a real rivalry formed between him and Verstappen.  It would be insane to see those two fight for wins alongside the always competitive Mercs.

 

Those two teams aside, I think Renault may surprise some people as we approach the season's midpoint.  Both Ricciardo and Ocon qualified well for the race tomorrow, so maybe one of them can challenge for top 5, or even a podium?  I believe McLaren has more in the tank, especially given how Landos been driving, although I've been reading that others are down on them, so I may be off with that one.  Russell is making that Williams car look a hell of a lot better than it really is, IMO.  Only cars legitimately worse than the SF1000 this season are the VF-20 (Haas) and the FW43 (Williams).  Keep your typical Ferrari hate comments to yourself; its a shame not to see them challenging for a podium and making F1 more interesting as a whole.  Racing Point looks fast to me, but I don't want to give them too much credit given they're essentially racing the W10 from last year.

 

2nd F1 thread this week.  Would love to see more!

 
Aug 30, 2020 - 4:42am

Hey the most important race of the calendar is almost there. Spa is a beautiful temple of speed (perhaps more than monza) which has a beautiful legacy given its ability to differentiate potent money drivers vs talented drivers when it matters. 

 

Always a little apprehensive when I watch the first drive to survive season in regards to how realistic the actual situation with teams given that superfluous drama sells and attracts a bigger crowd. Nothing pisses me off more than people who were introduced to F1 thru netflix and keep talking shit about Max/Lewis/Horner/Vettel because the overly dramatic series over-exaggerated a certain team dynamic or interview. Love that netflix got people to gain an F1 interest but doesnt make you an expert event if you are able to follow a team despite their success or demise     

 
Aug 30, 2020 - 5:08am

I thought it was hilarious when there are "fans" who actually thought Racing Point deliberately sabotaged Hulk's race to make Stroll look good...such idiots

 

equally absurd is when people say things like Checo is a better driver than Vettel - the 4-time world champion ffs

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Aug 30, 2020 - 5:12am

My man, thank you. First of all I love hulk but if you listened to his radio, his tires were fucked and he had to put in a race where both mercs were forced to finish on punctured tires. So I agree with you that it's a retarded conspiracy theory.

 

And if someone told me checo was better than vettel I would be forced to tell them that they are just misinformed. Nothing else to say about that. To me, as a die hard aston fan since childhood, objectively an ocon / vettel partnership makes a lot of sense given you have a hungry rookie paired with a 4x WDC who can provide valuable feedback on the car - especially when you remember that vet excelled under the RBR newey era and could help elevate AM racing to a podium-contending team

 
Aug 30, 2020 - 5:35am

IMO present-day Stroll is quicker than Ocon, it's just that lance gets a lot of flak for nepotism etc but I think he's really upped his racecraft this year (aside from that shitty overtake move he made on Ricciardo in Styria) - he's much more consistent, manages his tyres well, and has outpaced checo in many occasions both quali and raceday - which I guess is also why daddy stroll is so hell-bent on replacing him with vettel instead lol

 

hopefully they do sign Seb, it would be an absolute travesty if he's not on the grid next year

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Aug 30, 2020 - 11:19am

Seems like we didn't get a lot of strategy matchups today since everybody's afraid to pit, but those renaults are looking wicked quick in these high-speed circuits - wont be surprised if they get another 4-5 finish or even sneak a P3 in Monza

On the other hand, Ferraris finishing in the bottom 5 in Monza would be painful to watch...

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Sep 1, 2020 - 3:07pm

Ferrari fan here so obviously I want to kms. They have somehow gotten worse than they were over the past 2-3 years which is some feat.

 

Boring AF season so far. Only like two good races. Another year of Lewis out qualifying his teammate by 0.300s in a silver arrows front row lockout with him gapping out of DRS range on the first lap and waltzing to victory. It's getting really old.

 

Max is a an absolute legend putting that Red Bull on the podium and competing with Bottas consistently. It's my firm belief that the car is just barely better than Force India (or whatever the fuck they are calling themselves these days), Renault, and McLaren.

 

Charles has been great as well. How this POS Ferrari ever got a podium is beyond me. Still gutted for Vettel. All he ever wanted to do was win a championship in the red car. Sadly that's never going to happen and the divorce is messy.  

 

On the bright side, F2 and F3 have been really exciting this year. Lots of junior Ferrari talent (Schwarzman and Ilott) and even Mick is getting halfway decent. If Logan Sargeant wins F3 and next year gets Schwartzman's Prema F2 seat, it could do a ton for the sport here in the US. He's the first legit driver we've had since Rossi, and I think he's a good bit better overall.    

 

 
Sep 6, 2020 - 11:19am

I wanted carlos to bag the win but holy shit what a drive by gasly

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Sep 8, 2020 - 1:05pm

My favorite drivers are Leclerc, Sainz Jr., and don't mind Gasly as well. Obviously, respect Lewis Hamilton a ton though. Definitely interested to see if they'll ever change up qualifying to add-in a race. The restart in the Italian GP was quite interesting and it was great to get some different drivers on podium rather than Hamilton, Bottas, and Verstappen. Any thoughts on doing random draw for pole positions on a short qualifying race to then decide pole positions for Sunday races? I think this gives an opportunity for the best drivers to rise to the top through qualifying, but mixes thing up enough so we don't have Hamilton running in clean air lapping half the field.

 
Sep 8, 2020 - 2:10pm

I'm probably in the minority here but IMO reverse grid qualifying or any other gimmicky stuff like that doesn't belong in F1. The sport has always been about the fastest car (and to a slightly lesser extent) the fastest driver - it shouldn't be a participation trophy where everyone gets a shot at winning. You either win or you don't. Merc spent 5 years in developing for the hybrid era before the regs even kicked in, and had nearly flawless development/race execution over the years - yeah it's not great to watch em win all the time but they are undeniably the best team. No reason the sport should rob them of a fair fight. Every couple years or so we get a new dominant player: Mclaren, Williams, Ferrari, RB, Mercedes. Underdog victories are fucking awesome but making them a regular/structured occurrence hugely diminishes its value. 

 

tbh pretty damn sick of the "mixing things up" argument lol. Regulations to mix things up almost certainly fucks things up, like when FIA introduced the no-pitting rule in 05 just so Schumi couldn't win his 8th. The hate shouldn't be on Merc/Hamilton for turning in flawless drive after flawless drive, but rather on teams like RB/Ferrari for not coming remotely close to toppling Mercedes since 2014. And this is coming from a lifelong Tifosi

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Sep 8, 2020 - 11:29pm

For anyone watching F1 for a while, some things are obvious

- No team stays on top. Schumacher / Ferrari was ruthless but that passed but there was a period in 2000s when it was much worse than now

- Ferrari gets to cheat. Lot of it is because most fans are Ferrari fans worldwide and F1 doesn’t want them to die. Heck even Jean Todt and Ross Brawn are Ferrari guys. When Schumacher used to take preferred treatment over Barichello at finish line no one said anything. The recent downforce / engine issue same. Alonso went and called out McLaren and Ron Dennis was out and McLaren fined and all that But doesn’t happen to Ferrari. Ferrari also has/had very favorable economics from old Concorde agreement which allowed them to spend a lot more (they basically earned a lions share cause of their legacy / brand)

- Mercedes today is basically old BAR with bunch of Mercedes dollar. They don’t really have a lot of real tradition beyond supplying engine to McLaren in early 2000s when Hakkinen / Dennis / Newey were crushing it. Even Hamilton grew up through McLaren

- Red Bull - I forget but I think it’s the old Sauber. Again little real tradition beyond hiring Newey once McLaren gate happened post Alonso and then putting bunch of money for their drink marketing. Torro Rosso is the old Minardi which was a total clown show back in the days

- Historically traditional teams really have been Ferrari, Williams and McLaren. You can probably count Renault there (again Briatore our so idk what to make of it). Then there used to be bunch of back benchers like BAR that Honda brought in or Minardi or Sauber that basically are teams of today. Toyota, Honda, Jaguar etc came in and out over the last decade Mercedes I guess is the only one who had success in last 20-25 years

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Sep 9, 2020 - 12:31am

Spot on except that RB was formerly Jaguar, not Sauber. I loved the BMW-Sauber team - that team totally rocked and had a real shot of winning 08

IMO the old Benetton/Renault is dead lol. like you mentioned Briatore is gone and most of the team's core ended up becoming Ferrari's winning core, not to mention Renault has been constantly rebranding the team as well

Don't forget that Mercedes was perceived as an expensive flop before the hybrid era as well. They literally acquired Brawn which ofc won 09 - but from 2010 thru 2012 they've been super uncompetitive.

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Sep 9, 2020 - 12:31am

Seb to Aston Martin leggooooo

Checo to Haas would be awesome

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Sep 11, 2020 - 2:34am

IMO it's a very simple equation - This season AT BEST perez is barely beating Stroll, while points-wise Stroll is actually way ahead, even if you discount the podium and add back the points Hulk scored to Checo's tally. Stroll Sr knows that Vettel's value has never been lower (rumored 15m contract), and if there's an avenue to sign a 4-time world champion still in his prime 30s to replace an (albeit very good) midfield no.1 driver, a shrewd owner would and should make that call 10 times out of 10. ofc logically a vettel-perez lineup makes much more sense and would be godly, but we all know that's not happening.

 

Also this whole "but he's never driven in the midfield" argument against vettel is absolute bullshit, people forget his first win was with Toro Rosso....

 

Love Alfa and a Sauber reunion would be beautiful, but would prefer to see Checo at Haas. Alfa is at best Ferrari's B-team, there's a reasonable cap as to how well they can perform. Checo brings big sponsorship pull and IMO that Carlos Slim money is best used at Haas which is by-and-large an independent constructor than Ferrari's B-team. Also Haas has the chops to succeed and they've proven that, it's just that they're seriously lacking budget-wise (and also shit Ferrari engines) - give them the cash to splash, and no doubt they'll be back in for a shout

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Sep 11, 2020 - 7:28pm

Have been MIA due to work past couple weeks but here's some stuff I'm excited about:

  • Gasly win - though no shot he goes back to RBR
  • SF car is like a donkey cart except it has less traction (love seb and leclerc, they don't deserve that level of incompetence; listen to sebs engineers and seb discuss literally anything, absolute clown show)
  • Thank god seb is staying in F1; even more excited he's joining AMR given Aston is my fav road car
  • New guys (norris, russell, albon etc) making F1 a good time and less uptight though feel like ricciardo is the king of this 
  • McLaren needs to keep their momentum. Feel like that may be very feasible going fwd given their merc engine switch but who knows what the grid will look like when the new rules kick in wrt budget cap
  • Let's keep a tight eye on Mugello as a potentially fun race given high level of tire deg already happening during free practice
  • It's fun seeing latifi celebrate being last generally but in all seriousness, glad to see he is a good sport

Will think of some more stuff but for now that's where my head's at

 
Sep 12, 2020 - 6:08am

Latifi is surprisingly likeable lol. Not afraid to stand up to the bigger guys, good sense of humor, and doesn't sound like a prick (cue Lance Stroll). Super excited for Mugello, a lot of high-speed corners and tight DRS zones so maybe some good overtakes could happen. Agree that Gasly wont go back to RBR - Helmut and Horner know they've fucked up by swapping drivers so early in the season last time out, so they'll probably try to stick by Albon for a bit more this time round - frankly whoever's in that 2nd RB is bound to look like shit wrt Verstappen, at least Albon had some real contending moments like Austria this year or Interlagos last year

 

Ferrari's race engineers are so painfully bad - all they can do is mutter "ahndahstood" again and again ffs - who the hell are these guys anyway?

 

I think Mclaren have a very good shot for the future. Merc PUs are arguably the last piece of the puzzle they need although chassis synergies are still a big question mark. Regarding budget caps IMO they'll do just fine since Zak Brown was one of the most vocal advocates for lowering the budget ceiling

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Sep 16, 2020 - 6:07am

I am really rooting for McLaren to make an even stronger comeback even though they're already #3 in the constructors. Let's hope we can refer to the future top teams as at least MB, RB, FER (somehow), and McLaren. 

 

I think it was jeremy clarkson a while back on top gear who said something brilliantly hilarious. "Whenever Ferrari make a fantastic road car they're absolute rubbish in Formula 1. But when they're great in Formula 1 their road cars tend to be rubbish" Their road cars are pretty on point rn so hopefully the successor to the F8 and Roma is dogshit but Leclerc and Sainz can be competitive 

 
Sep 14, 2020 - 12:43am

Absolutely crazy race. Happy for Albon finally breaking his duck

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Sep 14, 2020 - 9:43am

Damn straight. So happy he got that podium. Was also pushing hard for RIC to cop the third step but wasn't in the tea leaves this time around. Hoping we can see the cyril tat come at some point this season - renault seem to be killing it on high-speed circuits thus far

 
Sep 14, 2020 - 5:47pm

Maybe it went a bit unnoticed since only 12 cars crossed the finish line, but Checo finished 5th a couple of days after he gets the boot from RP.  Happy he got to show he still has it and I hope he's still around next year.  Poor guy gave everything to that team only to get the boot once they finally start to show real signs of progress with the car.  Apparently Alfa Romeo reached out to him twice (once earlier this season, once after the Seb news broke) about him potentially joining their team, but its looking more and more likely that Mick Schumacher will occupy that seat (tested his dad's F2004 this past weekend at Mugello) as a training stint for the Scuderia (not soon, but one day).  Aside from them, I think Haas is the only legitimate option.  The car is horrifying (IMO it'll be worse than Williams' next year if Williams continues to progress the way they have the last two seasons) but if it keeps him on the grid, I'm happy.

 
Sep 15, 2020 - 7:44am

Mick looks like the real deal in F2, but then again all of the other (respectfully) flops did too.

 

I agree with Bueller that Haas needs to overhaul that team.  I like Guenther as a person but the team is falling apart under his watch.  Kmag and Romain are probably my two least favourite drivers on the grid (I'm not sure if there is a driver that complains more than RG) so I wouldn't mind two new faces there.   Checo money would definitely help and combined with the cost cap, maybe we see them push up that standings a couple of seasons from now.  In 2018 they were vying for the best of the rest and now they're just trying not to be last.  A lot must be changed in that paddock.

 

Slight topic change, but how do you think Mick will fair in an Alfa Romeo?  Kimi I think isn't driving too bad this season and the car looks alright.  If they give Gio the boot it'll give Mick a chance to learn under a former champion and former Ferrari driver, which I'm guessing they would want.  I would say performance wise the car is just behind the Alpha Tauris, but they are firmly a mid tier team, IMO.

 
Sep 15, 2020 - 10:12am
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