The Republican party seems pretty screwed for years to come. To be blunt, Trump fucked us. He polarized our party in an already polarized nation. Where do we go from here? How will Republicans move forward and find candidates that appeal to both Trumps loyal soldiers and the rest of us?
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Eh, I don't think it's that bad in some ways. Party is not all that polarized. We're on the same team more or less, but we just have some idiots who keep getting yellow cards and red cards. Unfortunately, that screws the entire team....
However, in my opinion, the Dems have a much bigger problem with Bernie bros.....those guys are trying to score goals on their own keeper half the time.
Maybe it's about time we do away with political parties...
George Washington warned us that political parties will ruin this country...
Come to think about it why do we even vote for people to make laws for us?
Why don't we just have bunch of smart people come up with good ideas for laws and we directly vote on the laws?
To be fair, we didn't really listen to much of what he said in that Farewell Address.
That's a terrible idea. You expect the average American to do the painstaking research of figuring out the negative externalities of their decisions? E.g. Tax reduction referendums are super popular, but ask people "Would you be willing to cut gov. services to deliver tax reductions" then folks almost always say no.
Agree on doing away with political parties. Our system worked so well in the 20th century precisely because party's were so weak and not everyone needed to be so ideologically whipped.
Well I'd argue that voting for people to make laws for us is a terrible idea because it incentivizes power hungry people who know absolutely nothing about running a country to lie, deceive, and do favors for powerful interest groups to stay in power.
Anyways, we're clearly seeing the worst of representative democracy and someone needs to design a new form of democracy that works better.
Bingo exactly. That's why I support nationalism. Where all citizens are united under a common goal. Split parties were implemented to separate Americans and don't believe for a second this happened organically.
It's existed from the minute the country was founded, more or less. How much more organic could it be?
do you really think the average american retard is capable, not to mention willing, to read a series 400 page bills twice a week and make a decision? People don't have the time or intelligence for that. Dumbass cringey idea.
If you're afraid of the "madness of the masses". Then there's also this thing called the "wisdom of the crowds".
I'm not saying we should vote on literally every single law. If everyone voted on every single federal law, then there would be no regional difference, which would be disastrous.
But on local elections (city, county, and maybe even states depending the population of the state), laws that get passed (or don't get passed) actually have an impact on people's immediate lives and "wisdom of crowds" is more likely to occur. Also on certain federal laws related to tax, declaration of war, and wherever else wisdom of crowds could kick in, direct democracy may not be a bad idea.
In fact, most modern democracies already do this to a certain degree (Even the US does this a little bit at a state level). And many of them are higher on the democracy ranking than the US as of now.
What that tells me is that the rest of the world saw the common pitfall of representatice democratic systems and have mixed in elements of direct democracy to prevent those pitfalls from happening.
The US political system,, set up by the Constotution, is a beautiful piece of human ingenuity that has served well and prevented instability for centuries. But it now seems like it needs some fixing. Most elected federal legislators deceive, twittle their thumbs, cause division, and pass ill designed laws for a living. While what they should be doing is be transparent, constantly learn about different issues, try to understand other viewpoints, and come up with sophisticated laws. Mixing in bits of direct democracy is just an idea. Truth is whatever system that gets actually qualified people with incentives to actually care about the country instead of holding on to power would suffice.
We're not fucked. The "racist, white supremacist president" made significant inroads with minorities. 33% of hispanics and about 18% of black men voted for him, I'm assuming after they realized the democratic pandering doesn't mean shit and that identity politics, defund the police, and socialism aren't actually great things. I'm sure Trump's charisma helped as well. Trump also opened up the "blue wall" rust belt states. Had the GOP remained the party of the free-market, anti-unionism, free trade, low taxes (they are still 3/4 of these things) that Romney and Bush remember, the rust belt swing states probably would have been lost, and the 2016 election along with them.
That said, Democrats obviously gaining states like Arizona and Georgia which were formerly Republican strongholds. How much of that is due to 2020's record turnout or long term demographic changes, I don't know. All we need is the same boring Republican candidates we knew in the past, expect this time they have an anti-China flair and an even bigger anti-socialist message so the Venezuelans and Cubans like them.
If Trump didn't have literally the entire establishment (all dems, 3/4 of GOP, Big Pharma, All media outlets, Big Tech, Hollywood, and foreign leaders) against him, he would probably be the most popular president in history. The establishment successfully brainwashed half of the country into believing that Trump was a racist and an evil person (not only did he do great things for the minorities, but he literally lost to an old racist white man and a former prosecutor who built her career on prosecuting blacks for victimless crimes). Combined with the loss of faith that millions of Republicans have in the election, I really don't see a Republican candidate in the near future. No matter how bad Biden's (or really Kamala's, we all know Biden won't last a year as president) policies are, the establishment will support him and the sheep of the U.S. won't know any better. The media constantly refused to air Trump's speeches or things that support him, and he's being blatantly locked out of public social media (acting as publishers and thus violating parts of section 230) as an outlet of communication. Fucking president of the U.S can't even reach half or more of his country, and people like Pelosi make a clown show of the State of the Union in an attempt to steal the spotlight when he actually had a chance to speak.
Don't feel like getting into some pointless 15 comment argument, but I await CRE and financeabc nonetheless. The country is fucked, can't wait to roll over to foreign interests even more and tax Americans to death to benefit fucking Pakistanis.
This is spot on. I’m wondering what people would think of Trump had the media (the agenda) and Big Tech (the deliverers of the agenda) not conduct a 4 year onslaught against him. I disagree on some points, but Trump was a massively successful president from a policy perspective. Trump winning 2020 would have been the second greatest underdog story in American history, right after beating the British.
Hahaha big shot anon Intern. You won't get any attention. 15 comments lol. You have 2. One from me and one from the other guy, that's it.
This is spot on. Dems did a great job branding Trump a bigot which catalyzed minority turnout in an election defined by identity politics.
In reality, the establishment Dems who run the DNC don’t gaf about minorities and take their vote for granted every 4 years.
As the country becomes increasingly diverse, identity politics will become less relevant. Wasteful spending and offensively high taxes by the liberals will send the pendulum back hard right by 2024/2028.
I would like to agree, but who the fuck is going to tell the American people about this wasteful spending or bad policies? If it wasn't for Trump, nobody would have given a second glance to the foreign aid bill that pisses off 90% of Americans.
"great things for the minorities" about all you need to know
Facts don't care about your feelings.
Some of these are only about poor people, but since all minorities are poor and also too uneducated to get a voter ID, I think they fit.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trum…
https://www.gadsdentimes.com/story/opinion/columns/2020/10/18/trumps-lo…
- In 2018, Trump signed the groundbreaking First Step Act, a criminal justice reform bill that enacted reforms that made our justice system fairer and helps former inmates return to society. More than 90% of those benefitting from the retroactive sentencing reductions in the First Step Act are African Americans.
- The First Step Act’s reforms addressed inequities in sentencing laws that disproportionately harmed African Americans, and reformed mandatory minimums that created unfair outcomes.
- The lowest-paid 25% of Americans had a 4.5% income boost in November 2019, which outpaces a 2.9% gain in earnings for the country’s highest-paid workers. This benefits African Americans because many, according to Associated Press research cited in 2018 by USA TODAY, are in low-paying jobs.
- The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. (Another example of Trump helping ALL low income and untrained Americans, disproportionally benefiting minorities. ORANGE MAN BAD)
- The president's so-called "Platinum Plan" calls for a nearly $500 billion increase in Black communities' access to economic capital. It also designates the Ku Klux Klan and Antifa as terrorist organizations. (One of many times when he has REPEATEDLY denounced white supremacy, not that CNN would tell you that. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/10/02/trump-and-white-supre…)
https://www.delgazette.com/opinion/80155/trump-helping-black-communitie…
- In addition, President Trump’s “Opportunity Zones” initiative is spurring even more economic growth in underdeveloped communities around the country. Through targeted tax incentives, the initiative is projected to generate approximately $100 billion of new private investment in communities that need it most.
- By eliminating the sentencing disparities caused by the horrendous Clinton-era crime bill, which disproportionately affected African Americans, President Trump is giving thousands of unfairly sentenced black inmates a second chance at the American Dream.
https://gop.com/minorities-are-winning-under-president-trump-rsr
Why Obama didn't cause the best economy the country has ever seen: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/23/what-biden-gets-wron…
A brief note on Biden: https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/trump-not-biden-has-helped-make-black-liv…
The black vote will be the swing vote this year. And right now, it’s looking like it’s Joe Biden’s for the taking. This is despite Biden’s history, which is riddled with policies that have historically and devastatingly disenfranchised African Americans. For example, the 1994 crime law, which Biden helped author when he was a senator, incentivized local police departments to lock up as many black people as possible, creating mass incarceration of African Americans, along with more prison cells and more aggressive policing. In addition, Biden was responsible for a provision in the 1986 crack law which came to be viewed as one of the most racially slanted sentencing policies on record: a rule that treated crack cocaine as significantly worse than powder cocaine and ended up disproportionately punishing African Americans and sending them to prison but sparing white Americans who typically used cocaine.
Oh, Orange man bad? Ok. Let's support Democrats instead who have seen UNBELIEVABLE increases in violent crime due to mayors defunding police. Let's support absolutely trashing entire communities and people's (of all races) livelihoods because a black man overdosed on meth. See original post and go vote for racist old white man and Kamala. You're not black if you didn't vote for Biden.
Sidenote of a pretty good statement from Vernon Jones that surmises many people feel about the left's treatment of blacks.
"And let me be clear," he added, "the liberals like to take Blacks, the ones that share their narrative or carry their narrative, and make them as if they are the voice of Black America and they are not ... They want to keep us silent because this president has the liberals and the left and the liberal media horrified that he is able to get Blacks who are becoming woke, who want to support his campaign, who support his policies because it is good for the Black community and it is good for America.
Interesting video for anyone who supports AA or diversity hiring with lower standards(all diversity hiring)
Our President is currently being censored from every single outlet possible. I wonder why, maybe because he is for the people and against everyone else?
The most popular president? If he had been given an open window, what could he have done that boosted him above Washington, Lincoln, and other great presidents?
If you want to be in the squad you need to work harder, and don't hide yourself.
You are Rich5. Fag.
That's not how section 230 works. Did you even bother reading it's wikipedia entry? retard
Republicans need to double down on nationalism and populism, except have it be with someone not connected to Trump at all. Kick the neocons out of the party (they have more in common with neoliberal corporate Democrats anyways). Renounce the foreign policy of prior Republicans and find common ground with anti-establishment Bernie Sanders supporters who are opposed to forever wars, globalization, and big tech monopolies. This will solidify Republican control in the Rust Belt and actually make stronger inroads with populist Hispanics. The days of George Bush and Koch brothers crap are over, and these people largely support Biden anyways. This will necessitate change to longstanding Republican positions on healthcare and student loans, but these changes are for the best. Embrace a populist platform that combines centrist economics with social nationalism. Granted, this will mean some losses in certain parts of the Sun Belt (Georgia and Arizona), but these places are lost anyways due to demographic changes (not just racial demographics, but the fact that many Northerners and Californians are moving to these places). Trade Georgia and Arizona for Michigan and Pennsylvania, and you might even pick up Maine and New Hampshire too. This new Republican Party will not be afraid to trust bust and will likely encourage the unionization of tech employees as a political strategy. There will still be kooky, libertarian-style holdouts like Rand Paul but they will marginalized because the last ten years have basically discredited libertarianism as a viable political force. This party will be strongly anti-war, anti-immigration, and anti-globalization.
Meanwhile, I see the Democrats increasingly becoming the pro-business party (ironic, but hear me out). The Democratic establishment and its leadership largely draws from the professional classes who dominate the financial and technology industries. The platform is going to be marked by economic liberalism, social liberalism, and a strong commitment to maintaining the "liberal" global order (so expect Democrats to advocate more strongly for military interventions in Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, etc.). The Democrats are going to be the party of Amazon, J.P. Morgan Chase, and the military-industrial complex. Ex-Republicans, Never Trumpers, and neocons in the mold of Mitt Romney already mesh well with this crowd anyways, which will make their migration to the Democrats rather seamless. Guys like George Bush and Dick Cheney got along more with Biden and Bill Clinton than they ever did with Trump. These Democrats will have more in common with Ronald Reagan than with FDR.
Now, I understand the Democrats also have a radical progressive faction, which can be split into two camps: the Bernie Sanders crowd and "the Squad". A good chunk of the Bernie Sanders crowd would defect to the new populist, anti-big business Republican Party, as Bernie Sanders's base of support has a lot in common with the white working class that swung hard for Trump, and will also bring many middle class Hispanics who like both social conservatism and populist economics into the fold. Now as for the so-called "Squad". These are the woke SJW types. They will stick with the Democratic Party even as it becomes more corporate and hawkish. Why? Because they were never true progressives, and will gladly sacrifice populist economics in order to advance their racial agenda (which actually coopts pretty well with the insane social liberalism of corporate Democrats). We are already seeing this happen anyways, as AOC clearly sides more with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer than she does with Bernie Sanders. Many die-hard left-wing populists are already calling her a sell-out for this.
In short, American politics becomes split between a populist, nationalist Republican Party that draws its base from the working class (mostly white and Hispanic), and a pro-business, woke Democratic Party that draws its base from the professional classes...and black people (who I do not believe will ever abandon Democrats in meaningful numbers).
And this is how it should be. In most countries, the pro-business party is usually the socially liberal one while the working class party is usually the socially conservative one.
This is too big of a flip-flop imo. I think the Republicans can become the "party of the working class" without sacrificing some free enterprise, business-friendly roots. Wages did rise for the bottom quartile during Trump, after all. I see the Democrats becoming the party of big business not because they are more capitalism friendly, but because they are more willing to put in place regulations that squash the "little guys," like what happened to the mom and pop restaurants during COVID while McDonalds stayed open. I'd hate to gain Michigan and Pennsylvania but then lose a commitment to the free market. I wouldn't know which party to vote for at that point.
I agree about the increased Hispanic support for Republicans. What I've noticed about the Hispanics is that they are a fundamentally conservative people. They're are strongly for family and religion, they're hard workers who want to keep their money, and the Cubans and Venezuelans really hate the thought of socialism. I think in the next hundred years or so, the Hispanic population will face the same experience as the Italian and Eastern Europeans immigrants of the early 1900s. They will be considered "outsiders" at first and will slowly learning the English language, and their children will eventually moving up into the middle class and become "Americanized." The Hispanics are in contrast to the blacks who are fundamentally liberal, "activist" people who have a broken family structure and don't really mind socialism. I agree that blacks will never stop serving their Democratic masters, or at least until another truly charismatic figure like Trump converts more of them.
No doubt Trump single handedly had the most monumental impact on politics in American history. The fact that we are even considering these huge shift shows this.
Weren't you earlier lamenting the rise of identity politics and now you're making very broad generalizations about "the Blacks" and "the Hispanics?"
Ehhhh - I'm really quite skeptical of republicans becoming the party of social nationalism. Getting enough republicans to agree to $600 stimulus checks was an impossible mission. Trump tried to get a big infra bill passed, but ran into constant roadblocks from republicans unwilling to even give it a serious vote. Republicans railed against Obamacare without ever coming up with a plan to replace it (though they said they would)...
I agree that republicans with even slightly more economically populist views would be IMMENSELY popular. If republicans could agree to some form of Medicare for all combined with their superior understanding of traditional American values, then they'd be unstoppable. It'd just going to be way too difficult to get the party to agree to it (though let's see what happens in 2024).
Also, on a personal note - I see the republican anti-immigration sentiment to be idiotic. If you intend to out compete China internationally and want to get GDP at a 3%+ growth rate, then you're gonna need people to fuel the growth of the American economy. Best way to do that is to brain drain other countries for their best doctors, engineers, academics etc. Immigrants also tend to have more conservative views, so if republicans could tamper down slightly on the anti-immigrant POV then they could really win over these new Americans
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