I'm still in college, so I may not be the point of reference you are looking for; nevertheless, I'll throw my two cents into the pot.

I've always been a proponent of the strength in numbers method. Going out with your friends (at least 1-2 guys) can be incredibly clutch. Girls seem more willing to talk to guys who "appear" to have friends, and I've found introductions to be a great icebreaker. Further if the girl that you are talking to has friends, they will be much less willing to setup the cock-block defense if they have someone to talk to as well(i.e. your friends).

Now, like anything, this method has its downfalls. Unfortunately, everyone has a friend who is a cock-block waiting to happen. One of my buddies had a tendency to bring up old hookups...in detail...when I would talk to various girls. As you can imagine, I was tip-toeing through raindrops trying to think of incredibly good comebacks to his comments to kill the awkward silences that always followed. Another friend of mine would come up and put his arm around me when I was talking to a girl and say things like, "This guy is the man. He's my best friend. I love him." Though I definitely appreciated his attempt to help, I was usually left with making an awkward-ass comment like, "Ohh thanks man - I love you too," and unfortunately had to throw him under the bus immediately after he left saying he was kind of strange.

um, the kid is in college. Let him have fun with girls and get over yourself.

Ok, larry, let me make this clear--my post is in reference to everyone who does this stuff. And did I not say that I would be the weirdo here? The de-humanizing of women (and men, for that matter) is a poor statement on the degeneration of society.

virginia tech:

1. "and, ya know, marrying her one day?" - Who the fuck are you to say there is something wrong with wolfing around while you're still young and just trying to have fun instead of finding a fucking wife? I know girls who just want to hook up while they're still young, too.

2. "dupe a girl into sleeping with you" - Wow, you are really sheltered if you think girls have to be "duped" into doing this stuff. The ones that CLAIM they have to be "duped" into it are usually the whores who want an excuse for their hedonistic behavior.

3. "Have we ever stopped to think that meeting people at bars is not exactly the best place to meet quality people?" - Who said it was? He's trying to get laid and have fun, not meet quality people.

4. "The de-humanizing of women is a poor statement on the degeneration of society." - What are you basing this on? You think this is the first time in history that women have been viewed as objects?? Hilarious. I love when uneducated people make these broad generalizations.

You are absolutely pathetic. You haven't made a single valid argument or said anything worth listening to. You are just whining unproductively, in the exact same way you and your friends do when you're at Starbucks bitching about the deafening tick-tock-tick of your biological clock.

For me, it's best to go out with 1-2 guys MAX and bring good girl friends. If you don't have any, make them. Having female wingmen are 9 times out of 10 better than male wingmen.

My 2 cents:

it helps to be goodlooking, and have wingmen who are goodlooking.

if you aren't naturally good looking, you can do alot of things with 1) face care 2) strength training through weights 3) cardio training 4) eating well to look better than you may be genetically predisposed to look. 5) also a good haircut 6) good looking clothes that make you look stylish and therefore somewhat more attractive than you actually are

Really?

"eating well to look better than you may be genetically predisposed to look"

Probably the best one of the bunch.

You forgot to add 7) make a lot of money 8) be someone famous 9) have lots of sex so that you get good at it.

This thread is quite comical. I agree that the bar is the last place I want to go to meet a quality woman. If you want to meet a nice girl for something longer lasting than one night (I think we covered the one night stand question above), you have to be willing to get off your couch and do some activities. Some of the coolest chicks I've met have been through clubs (such as a night-time soccer league that was geared towards working professionals) or simply by striking up a conversation with someone while in line. Once you get out of college, meeting women is a whole new ball-game. Oh and yes, being good looking tends to work in your favor. Unless, of course, you are too good looking that girls are intimidated and afraid to talk to you -- but I don't think many people here suffer from this.

A good way to open a conversation with a girl at a bar is to tease her about what she's drinking or how she's dressed etc. Doesn't sound effective but trust me, girls are often so insecure that they don't get mad, they try to explain themselves. Then you take back what you said and you're in. Also, let the amateurs in the bar flash their cash and buy the girls drinks early on, wait until near last call to divide and conquer.

It's all in the tone and body language, obviously you don't walk up to her and say "Wow, you are one ugly girl."

Though most of your comments have been viewed as lame in the past, this by far was your best post...

You could just walk around 27th street and 10th ave and find a drunk lady to share a cab with, perhaps more? Best times: 3-5am.

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atrop, while that does seem like a lock, thats some creepy shit. thanks but no thanks.

I don't read alot of threads anymore so I can't comment on the quality of material...

It's improved ALOT from the days of Dan Bush.