Getting into HYP depends mostly on your high school

http://www.auap.com/prepschoolclass.html

Thomas Jefferson, with a 1480 SAT average, is under 6% yet many of these other schools are greater than 15% and some a fifth of the class goes to HYP. At Roxbury Latin for example, 1/5 goes to HYP, and 1/3 goes to an ivy in general. Smart kids? Sure. The best? Doubtful. Well connected and afluent? Yup.

 

Roxbury Latin has 290 students while Thomas Jefferson has 1,500.

Which one's sending more kids to HYP? If you're trying to argue that private prep school kids make up the majority of hte student body at target schools then you're an idiot.

 

I'm not at all, but getting into HYP from most public schools is a crapshoot at best from my experiences. Most top students I knew either got into one top 10 school or sometimes none and ended up at safties like gtown or hopkins. Harvard hasn't taken a single non-URM from my school in like 10 years, despite the last one graduating magna and ending up at Harvard law, though YP and MIT often take a bunch from my school. I'm not saying most target kids come from pricy prep schools, though the process seems pretty random coming from public schools while certain prep schools send waves of their students each year.

 
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sleepyguy is still at it trying to justify why he didn't get into a top school (now the argument is because he didn't go to a prep school). You ever think that the kids at Roxbury Latin are more well-rounded than Thomas Jefferson? And, if you want to talk about SATs, Thomas Jefferson has no advantage over Roxbury Latin. The average SAT at RL is in the 1400s as well, and that doesn't take into account the fact that about 20% of Roxbury Latin is either Black or Hispanic. If you take away those kids, the average SAT of the white kids at RL is in the low to mid 1500s, higher than Thomas Jefferson (which only has 3% blacks and Hispanics). Most kids at Roxbury Latin are also playing three sports (how else are they able to compete so strongly with schools twice their size?), have signicant ECs, and are just more well-rounded and interesting people than people from a public test school or magnet or whatever you want to call it. So yes, someone who goes to Roxbury Latin is much more likely to be "the best" than someone at Thomas Jefferson. Get over the fact that you didnt get into a good school man.

 
midwestisthebest:
But now sleepyguy wants to start a "prep school vs. public school" thread. He needs to simply face the facts and move on with his second-class life.

holy shit you're a huge douche!

 

This kid has no idea what he is talking about. I go to HYP, and while I can't speak for the other two, a sizeable majority of kids at my school are from generic public schools. Sure, there's the trust fund crowd, but they're certainly in the minority. With fin aid being what it is today, HYP is no longer the old boy's club of the past, it's just a place for bright, dedicated people to study, no matter their background or bank account.

This kid further betrays his ignorance when he says Georgetown and Hopkins are safety schools. My freshman room-mate transferred to Georgetown because they have the best undergraduate international affairs program in the country. My older brother went to Hopkins and turned down both Yale and Princeton to do so because of their superior pre-med program.

Get your facts straight before you go making these sweeping generalizations that everyone at HYP is named Archibald Cedric Wellington XIII and GTown and Hopkins are crap, because from the way you're speaking, I'm going to assume you didn't get into any of them!

 
sleepyguyb:
True, but HYP admissions seem pretty random, at least in my experiences, yet some high schools send 20% of their graduating class to HYP. Seems lame.
Why HYP? I'd suggest picking the least expensive school with the best program. If you live in California, Texas, New York, or most Midwestern states, I'd recommend just going in-state and working like crazy. Berkeley, UW Madison, U Michigan (Ann Arbor), UT Austin, UIUC, and maybe SUNY are probably some of the best deals in college education in the US. Save $100K, but wind up with the same job.

As an I-Banker, you will have the rest of your life to plan and obsess. Just make sure you find a high school that offers AP Econ and AP Calc, and you should be fine. Also, be sure to spend some time in the real world. If you learn how it's possible to live comfortably on $10k/year in college, you have this wonderful gift of never really having to worry about job security ever again.

 
True, but HYP admissions seem pretty random, at least in my experiences, yet some high schools send 20% of their graduating class to HYP. Seems lame.

Seriously, why do you care about this? Aren't you in college now?

Please try to move on with your life.

 
Rickets:
True, but HYP admissions seem pretty random, at least in my experiences, yet some high schools send 20% of their graduating class to HYP. Seems lame.

Seriously, why do you care about this? Aren't you in college now?

Please try to move on with your life.

Lol, I agree one hundred percent Rickets.

And as to the original claim of admissions being completely "random", for some reason i find it hard to believe that the admissions directors at HYP just flip a coin to determine which candidates to accept. Maybe I place too much faith in the system though. Who knows....

 

No doubt, I am actually graduating college, not trying to pick a school. Why HYP? Because their admissions seems the most random. People I know who have spoken with admissions officers at those schools tell me they have tons of 1500, perfect grades people and often it depends on their mood when they look over the app. I ran across from stats about HYP admissions from a few prep schools and was blown away. It didn't seem right when I know so many people who were 1550, perfect grades, nothing but 5s, played varisty sports, officer in clubs etc and still got rejected from the 3, but some schools send 20% of ther class.

 
sleepyguyb:
No doubt, I am actually graduating college, not trying to pick a school. Why HYP? Because their admissions seems the most random. People I know who have spoken with admissions officers at those schools tell me they have tons of 1500, perfect grades people and often it depends on their mood when they look over the app. I ran across from stats about HYP admissions from a few prep schools and was blown away. It didn't seem right when I know so many people who were 1550, perfect grades, nothing but 5s, played varisty sports, officer in clubs etc and still got rejected from the 3, but some schools send 20% of ther class.

I'm pretty sure anyone with the stats you mention in that post will get into HYP. In fact, I had almost those exact same qualifications (not to brag, but just to provide an example), and I was accepted at all three. There are certainly people who get rejected who have 1550, perfect grades, but at the end of the day these places are looking for well-rounded individuals who are good at everything they do (or great at something). Admissions is not random, but is highly correlated across all three - i.e. if you get into one, you're likely to get into at least one of the other two, though of course there are exceptions.

Why are you so obsessed with not having gotten into these schools? On the one hand you argue that your college doesn't matter, but then you start stupid threads like this. If you're graduating college this year, start focusing on your future and stop worrying about your failures four years ago.

 

Why does it matter? Are admissions unfair? Maybe. Nobody but the admission officers at each school really know for sure. But really what is arguing about it here going to accomplish? Even if it's true, which I'm not saying that it is or isn't, the bottom line is that the world is unfair. Get used to it. Just do your best to succeed with what you have.

 

mid, admissions is not correlated well unless your an intel winner or have some connections. at my school it was purely random who got into HYP. every year the top students would apply and pretty much equal grades, SAT, ECs, etc and who would get in and who wouldnt was unpredictable.

 

Your school is a small sample, didn't you take statistics in college?

As evidence that admissions are correlated, someone who applies to all of HYP with a 1100 SAT score will most likely be rejected from all three.

 

There's definitely an element of subjectivity, but it's not even close to being "purely random." The kids you saw with near-perfect everything just weren't good enough, the U.S. is a big place and there were probably tons of other candidates just as qualified. I agree with all of the above posters telling you to move on with it. You didn't get in, tough luck, now move on to getting into GS/MS or what have you, and remember that the process for the BBs is just as, if not much more subjective.

 

Because there are so many qualified applicants, HYP can afford to create a diverse, well-rounded class. A yearbook editor with high stats may still be rejected because there are other similar applicants with more impressive resumes. Likewise, this is the reason why a tuba-playing Classics major with lower stats might be accepted over the 4.0/2350 kid.

 

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