Global Warming: Best Spots to Be in 40 Years
With ocean levels rising (oil rigs raising their rigs 8 feet) and it getting warmer, where would you set up home base for the foreseeable future? Florida is sunk. Cali is a desert. I'm thinking Chicago and Calorado are going to be good spots. Outside of the U.S., I'm considering moving to the Philippines in the mountains. My wife has family there, it's cool in the mountains, and you can live like kings on a U.S. income.
What's your game plan? Or are you doing the nomad thing, ready to move at the drop of a dime, home is where the heart is etc?
murder capital sounds fun
strongly disagree
With which part?
this paraphrase: "Ten people are shot a day in Chicago, but don't worry, it's just related to gang activity."
your macro-aggression was pretty bad too
I don't know what macro aggression is and don't care to. Why would I care about hoodlums shooting each other? The less of them the better. Do you even live in Chicago?
I'm ok with hoodlums shooting at each other until some 7 year old girl runs out in the street to save her Barbie.
We need to teach these people better aim, and we need to bring back the death penalty in IL. It should apply to ANYONE who fires a weapon in a gang shootout where a kid under 10 dies.
Gangs used to try to keep kids and civilians out of it. This should provide both sides an effective incentive to continue doing so, especially with gunshot residue tests.
Black lives matter, and innocent black lives matter even more.
Work and live full time on an oil rig.
We'll just raise our rig while the rest of the world burns.
Waterworld: The Prequel
Rocky Mountains FTW, I can show you the best fishing, hunting and skiing spots. Shhhhh they're locals only.
I was thinking of starting an opportunistic real estate fund where we invest in properties that are going to be positively affected by rising sea levels and natural disasters. Think properties that are currently set back a couple blocks, but will become beachfront at peak ocean rise. Anyone want to invest?
If you can find a bank that will give you a 100 year mortgage with 30 year I/O option, sure I'll take a look at the numbers.
The thing people forget about climate change investments is that we will begin to see the economic affects long before the full environmental affects become apparent: Economic markets will begin pricing in the likely damages as the environmental consequences become more physically apparent.
I think Ackman was making this trade when he bought the penthouse at One57, so this trade is either doomed for failure or genius depending on your feelings for him. I heard the rationale is that you will move the NYC Yacht Club to the peasants' condos on the 8th floor for waterfront views and easy access to your boat.
Australia.
Global warming is not the only environmental threat out there, there are also earthquakes and volcanic eruptions and New Zealand is situated perfectly on the ring of fire .
Ireland has some of the best psychiatric institutions in Europe and depression seems epidemic. Madness will get to you before any sun burn.
Greenland ammm interesting I might consider that .
Everywhere is getting hotter on average (average global temperatures are increasing) -- that's the point of climate change.
Australia is a HUGE country. Although every area experiences hot days in the summer, the climate becomes colder and wetter as you travel south: http://www.yourhome.gov.au/introduction/australian-climate-zones
If the daily heat is your biggest concern, then you're probably better off looking at areas that are coldest on average, since, even with higher average temperatures, those areas will still remain relatively colder. But don't forget that there are many other factors to consider: The affect of rising sea levels and ocean acidification; scarcity of freshwater and agriculture; etc. For instance, Switzerland may initially seem like a good choice but I'm not sure how the local environment is going to change as their glacial mountains continue melting.
Provo
Advocates for Global Warming (Originally Posted: 11/29/2006)
Face it, being Investment Bankers most of us are forced to deal with the Cold weather of NYC and Chicago. But why settle for that? The answer is, it doesn't have to be so damn cold. All we have to do is pollute so that our atmosphere will turn into a greenhouse and conserve the heat. Just imagine, instead of trudging up the icy walk to work everyday in sub-zero weather, with snow blowing in your face, the sun is out, a nice seventy degree breeze gently ruffles your hair as you stroll up to work with your sunglasses on. Let's speed up this "global warming" thing (if it even exists.. ha!)...
it was 55 degrees today...in pretty much December, what more do you want? Personally I think right now is a great balance, its not 120 degrees in the summer, and its not 20 degrees in the winter
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You son of a bitch bastard. How did you accumulate all of those points. What, did you kick me off so you could take my fucking points? Douche bag.
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bitch bitch bitch
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you know that the polar caps are melting in Mars too? that maybe it's b/c of the sun and not what al gore says. And obviously there are no SUV's on Mars. Also - remember that while Al Gore is lecturing the average American about how they should ride public buses, he sure has no problem flying his personal jet around. "do as I say, not as I do"
wait, i don't think there's any h2o on mars... that would mean life and an atmosphere
Oklahoma. Buy now to have CCHHEEAP beachfront property in 40 years.
Home is where I put my boots at night.
What's up with global warming!? (Originally Posted: 01/04/2011)
The recent freezing weather has got me thinking of global warming, er, climate change. Climate disruption? A forward going climate situation? Whatever it is, or isnt', is something we should all be happy about. Global warming means higher commodity price volatility, government encouraged funding in bleeding edge technologies, higher energy cost/demand... The possibilities are only limited to our imaginations.
But I'm curious how many GW believers and skeptics are out there. Oh, and this isn't for debating the "facts", none of us are scientists...
http://www.suite101.com/content/giant-investment-bank-to-climate-change…
"Oklahoma. Buy now to have CCHHEEAP beachfront property in 40,000 years."
FIFY
BTW, I think it's cyclical like the markets. And even if it is happening, it seems we can't stop it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
I blame Canada if it's real, and the USA gets credit for fixing it. Yep, this isn't fair, but life isn't fair.
Read Blue Planet in Green Shackles
Great picture by the way, I'm sure that would be like PETA-Meets-Greenpeace pornography
" PETA-Meets-Greenpeace pornography " hahahaha
Anyone who argues with climate change is just dumb.
We poison lakes, create smog, acid rain, deforestation, extinction of species, on and on, but yet people think we cannot change the climate lol.
Major companies and insurance firms believe in climate change. I believe the people who are voting with their dollars.
Human beings effect everything. It is what we do. We 100% are effecting the climate. Whether it is bad or fundamentally wrong, that is up for debate. All I know is that it is happening and it would be naive to think otherwise.
I just know this is going to turn into a bitchy thread. People to hate climate change.
Just thinking the same thing.....I'm new here, how do I remove myself from this thread?
Just thinking the same thing.....I'm new here, how do I remove myself from this thread?
I don't believe in climate change as a man-made phenomenon because they haven't scientifically proven it.
Do I think our climate may be changing? Sure. I just don't feel like anyone has proven it yet. If you're worried about gw/cc, you shouldn't be promoting it as such. The Democrats fucked the cause by making it a political issue. Every time the government is brought in to force people to do something, there is going to be massive resistance. Where the liberals could've spent billions of dollars on educating the people, they chose to spend it on lobbyists in Washington.
So, you all might blame the Republicans/conservatives, well fuck that. I blame the Democrats. The more you try and control someone or a group of people, the more they are going to slip away and push back.
Genius - can apply this to COVID as well
I just blame the politicians in general, both parties can go hang themselves
ppl used to care until the crisis hit
Yeah lev, shows how useful trying to get the government to force more laws on people is.
On a boat.
Global Warming - help? (Originally Posted: 12/01/2011)
For how many times I've debated this, I never really got an understanding for why the other side thinks this is happening (yes, science, I know, but we'll get to this). I was hoping some of you that believe it's happening could convince me. Let me give you my main concerns, maybe someone can answer them:
1) Climategate- So we all know about climategate, but recently a new climategate happened (see below link). This type of shady behavior makes me think that they have absolutely nothing to go on and are just trying to get paid.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-…
2) Politics- Everyone knows that nothing gets done by politicians, unless it's declaring war. Why have the environmentalists (and even just the people who believe GW is happening) been running to and lobbying the government without courting public opinion? Yes, I see articles about GW in the newspaper and magazines, but usually they're about the political fight going on. Very rarely do I actually see an article detailing what is happening. As soon as this fight got taken to the political sphere, you alienated me. What that said to me is, "we don't really have a great argument for this, so we're going to make you follow our lead." That's what going into politics means to me.
3) Al Gore- Speaking of politics, what the fuck is this guy's deal. I'd applaud him if he was getting paid 9 figures by consumer for trying to help the world, but he's not. Everything he's worth is because of government subsidies (for his climate change business), pretty much. And on top of this, he has a home with a carbon footprint 20 times that of the average American (per below article, I know it's old, but still applicable). He flies around the globe all the time in a private plane to "spread the word". Bullshit. This is not a man who cares about anything. If he so much as gives an ounce of credit to his own science, he is the biggest piece of shit I've ever heard of. He would be flying coach, living in a 3 bed 2 bath house, and have an organic garden out back. This is the poster child for what not to do if you want to have your movement be successful and not polarize the world.
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2007/02/…
Those are just three of my main concerns that aren't even scientific in nature (although the first one, if you read the article, mentions how they've tried to mess with the numbers). Hopefully I can get a decent answer to some of these.
Oh, almost forgot:
4) The scientists at the forefront of this research aren't even acting like scientists. Science is about being open and sharing every bit of research you have, and throughout this entire process the people that have been saying climate change is happening have been anything but open about their research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
^Read that.
Global warming is a fact. The debate is whether it is man-made or not. It is honestly a stupid issue. Promoting energy efficiency and environmental sustainability is economically smart as well. My guess is that special interest groups are behind the whole thing. You can never make an environmentalist happy, and you need to keep the coal lobby happy.
Global warming is fake. It's a conspiracy created by the polar bears.
End times theorists have occurred at every period in history. Its a perennial fact of human nature. Examples included how jews thought their messiah would come during the holocaust, and during some of the more barbaric periods BC and during the rise in prominence of Christ, and in the belief of scientists in the 70's that the world was actually cooling and that the gulf stream would stop flowing and that europe would freeze over.
I dont think it would even be a problem if global warming happened - during the earlier periods in history, fruit and palm trees grew in antarctica. If anything, it would be a blessing to have a warmer world - warmth just basically meaning more life really.
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I think climate change is mainly a caused by the Earth naturally and carbon emissions may contribute to it. doubt it is a huge deal if we reduce carbon emissions- but if you look at what carbon emissions come from in the LR it is a smart thing to do. Changing from a limited to an unlimited resource is economically beneficial, as is energy independence. Fossil fuels are also not clean burning or efficient- so pollutants are released into the atmosphere- harming public health. I think renewables should be pursued for the end game where fossil fuels are too hard to come by to make them economically feasible anymore. That said, I definitely am opposed to it being done so in a punitive way- like extra taxes on fossil fuels.
I'm not a huge fan of the global warming panic. Global climate changes are somewhat beyond the control of humans in most aspects.
However
I'm not a fan of the assholes that dump poison into the air I breath and water I drink. Polluters fail as humans.
...and there you go.
This.
Oh man am I glad it's just the water you drink, because I just shit in your coy pond.
duff: thanks for the link, I'll take a look at it.
Sorry, I shouldn't have said those that believe it are happening, I meant those who believe it is caused by man. I guess what I was really looking for was answers to the questions I posed. As someone who believes man is causing global warming and think we need to do something about it, how do the questions I asked affect things, if they affect things? Should somebody else take over in leading climate change research? Should someone else lead the fight for climate change (this is in reference to Al Gore)?
The thing is, if it's truly happening and it's being caused by us, we need to know like yesterday. And the fact that these scientists are being pretty shady about the way they present themselves and their information to us scares the hell out of me. I'm a "skeptic", but the reason I'm a skeptic is because I want to know the truth. Whenever I see Al Gore's face associated with something like climate change, I just discount it. I'm sorry, but I don't have any trust in that man or belief that he is trying to do good for the world. The climategate-type emails that get released do the same thing. How the hell am I, someone who wants to know what is actually happening, supposed to believe someone who has explicitly said they're manipulating information?
I think it's important that we get this figured out stat, whether it actually is or is not happening because of us. I've talked to a lot of people who think it is happening, and the vast majority of them don't help the cause either. I'm going to sum up the responses I've gotten, not including this thread. They all pretty much revolve around:
1) You don't believe in climate change? You're an idiot. (me: why?) Because if you don't know that climate change is happening, you're an idiot. ^^^ I've actually gotten this response (or something like it) a lot. If I press them on what they know about it, they usually say something like, "it's getting hotter and we're making more greenhouse gasses." Most of the time, though, it comes down to them saying "it's science" or something like it.
2) You must be a Republican person laughs
3) Getting yelled at for not caring about the environment
4) Actual discussion ^^^Rarest of the 4, probably only happened three or four times. Im not real big on science so I just try and have these people do what I'm asking you guys for here. They can't really give me a good answer on why I should trust the information these people who have been proven to be lying to us give us.
So, yea, just trying to get some more reasoning into the open as to why I'm so skeptical about all of this.
Realize also that even if it's a real problem, people tend to wait until it's a crisis before dealing with it. The average IQ of the human race is probably retarded. This doesn't help, but there's your answer.
+1 a few posts above UFO. That's precisely how i feel.
Pollution I care about, global warming I could care less about.
However, is a Hummer ever a necessary vehicle (unless you are Kyle Bass)?
I want to put an "I love cock" bumper sticker on every hybrid I see. The polution value of those cars far exceeds that of a normal gas car.
I love my big truck with that powerful American made V-8 under the hood. Hell I had a 3/4 ton diesel before this truck. Probably will be getting another diesel in the next year or so.
The problem isn't just that the average human is retarded, it's that the average human is an idiot but also thinks he's smart :P
Honestly, I don't think anyone here has the credentials to make judgments on peer-reviewed academic scientific papers, regardless of shadiness of scientists, etc. We can choose not to believe in it until there is more sound proof and all of the climategate stuff is sorted out (I'm not sure if it has yet, correct me if I'm wrong. I know for a fact that climategate 1.0 stuff was shown to be scientifically insignificant to the conclusions and blown way out of proportion. Haven't read much about 2.0), but we can't do what a lot of people do and say the man made thing is definitely a myth and that it's definitely natural. I consider myself pretty in touch with modern science. I've taken some advanced classes/taught myself a lot and can keep up with a lot of science journals, but I still really don't know where I stand. The scientific consensus DOES still seem to be that global warming is manmade, so I wanna say I believe it too, but because of these suspicions I wanna wait until these new suspicions are proven to be negligible or non-negligible.
Assuming you believe that it's happening, then I would say that glacial ice melting is probably the best evidence of climate change. Most of this occurs in Antarctica or the North pole. Both of which are in BFE. For their temperatures to be effected, I believe the whole world MUST be heating up. It's also telling how quickly that change started to occur. The science behind why it is believed humans caused it is pretty basic. We put co2 into the atmosphere. There aren't enough plants to consume that co2, so it stays there. Co2 prevents heat from escaping the earth so the temperature rises.
What kind of timeframe are we talking here? Some of y'all making predictions that'll take hundreds, if not thousands, of years
Global Warming (Originally Posted: 01/31/2012)
A serious problem
If the purpose of this thread was to discuss investments to take advantage of or protect against the affects of climate change, then I'm assuming we'd be having a more short-term discussion about certain vulnerable geographies, etc. However, it seems that this was meant to be more of a fun, hypothetical discussion of what people should do when/if climate change becomes globally catastrophic.
Excluding specific vulnerable geographies, 40 years is too soon for catastrophic consequences to become apparent; for that, it'll take centuries.
so what are you gonna do about it?
Let the free market solve it.
nice
Volcan Arenal, Costa Rica
I'm long Kawasaki's watercraft division
Denver
In Nova Scotia drowning in Canadian Club with a thicc supermodel born in 2037 sitting on my face
Probably should sell my New Orleans timeshare eh?
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