1/10/17

To continue on my golf series I got a pm from a user asking to do a thread on etiquette and other things that have an effect on the game.

Clothing

This one is fairly simple and the cost can be as high as you'd like it to be. For me, I'm a big ashworth guy so their shorts and shirts are usually what I buy. Don't wear jeans, athletic shorts, or non-collared shirts. The one exception to this are the mock shirts like tiger wore in the famous chip-in at augusta. Places that are just your regular muni or driving range are usually less strict on dress code than a country club so you might be able get away with wearing certain thing. I'd recommend not buying the most expensive golf shoes since they are really a dime a dozen but you also don't want to be the goober wearing $40 footjoys that you bought at Dick's Sporting Goods. I recommend the adidas powerband because it's not as expensive as others and feels pretty good on the feet. For hats just buy a titleist, ping, or callaway hat so you don't stand out. You'd better be breaking 75 to play in my foursome to not get shit on for wearing a Rickie Fowler, Bryson Dechambeau, or Greg Norman style hat.

Etiquette on divots, ball marks, etc.

Know how to rake bunkers and repair ball marks that are made on the green. Learn how to mark your ball with a coin and move the mark when it is in the way of someone's line. Never step in the line of your opponent's putt and don't use a wedge on the green. Always take the pin out when everyone has reached the green and put the pin back when you are done. Fill every divot you make with the sand in the golf course and pat it down with your foot. Make your divots in a rectangle shape when on a driving range so the grass will grow back faster. When you hit a shot out of bounds you must hit the shot again and look up how to take a proper drop for shots that go into the water hazard.

Pace Of Play

This is a big deal on public courses and is probably one of the 5 biggest problems the game has today. I recommend only taking 2-3 practice swings before each shot. This eliminates a lot of the demons and second-thoughts that plague most golfers. I also think that most people should be thinking of their next shot before they get there because it helps speed the process. There is nothing worse than someone who waits until the last second to walk all around the green. Don't use mulligans because they just make things take longer and you'll have to get both golf balls. Buy a golf push-cart or pay the fee to use a golf cart. This will save you some time and less stress on your back. A good push-cart is the clicgear series or sun mountain brand.

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1/10/17

BTW next thread will be on how to get cheap or free golf.

Financial Modeling

1/10/17

the question, especially on this forum, isn't the cost to play.

How do you find the time to play?

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In college so I have more free time.

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first thing Saturday morning. done by noon with a nice buzz. starts the day off right

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The only sport where you can drink a beer at 8 am.

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1/10/17

lol at "don't use a wedge on the green"

We really are starting at the beginning here.

1/10/17

Lmao you'd be surprised. I've seen dumbasses smoke weed, hit flop shots, etc. on the green before.

1/10/17

I've actually seen it before as well. Some green at Sand Barrens in NJ by the shore points has a green that's over 1 acre in size (2 holes share it, 2 pins). I once saw someone flop like a 30 yarder haha.

Also, what's wrong with a cheap pair of FJ's?? Love me a pair of cheapish white FJs with a brown/black saddle. Can't beat it!

1/10/17

Love it. Just like the greens at St. Andrews Golf Links.

Personally just think they look like some crap a 5 year old would wear. I'd question if you were in BO if you came in wearing these http://www.footjoy.com/golf-sandals/016SPE.html?dw...

1/10/17

I need me some of those...especially when playing in mud season up here hahaha

1/10/17

What's wrong with smoking weed while golfing? Don't knock it till you try it.

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devil's advocate: I have seen Mickleson use a wedge on the green multiple times

To keep the pace going, if I go OB, a lot of times I will just take a drop close to where I went out. This helps with the pace of play. I never have been nor will I ever be a competitive golfer, so I don't see the issue.

edit: and usually if I go OB on the first swing, I will go OB on the second

1/10/17

Big different between the best short game in the history of golf and your Puma Hat 20 hdcp at the local municipal course.

Good point on OB though. The official rules of golf are great to appreciate, yet we don't always need to follow them when we are doing a loop on our day off.

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Phil is a major champion. The average joe trying to hit a flop from the green will either shank it or make a massive divot on the green.

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yeah, I was just being an ass.

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Some people were still pissed at him if I remember

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Why? Because he voted for Trump?

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Lol, no I think he took a solid divot and there was some debate over it.

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Oh. I remember the media blasted him for complaining about CA taxes.

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Well that was before the insider trading

1/10/17

Well he is sponsored by Barclays and KPMG.

1/10/17

European banks, no wonder his ryder cup record is so deplorable

1/12/17

Not to mention that he's regarded as one of the best wedge players ever... absoloutely hate the guy but gotta give credit where it's due

1/12/17

Phil is actually REALLY nice in-person. He will try to do as many autographs as possible and is pretty chatty with the crowd. My favorite golfer is Arnold Palmer because he didn't come from a upper-class background with a douchebag attitude like some of the others out there.

1/10/17
Brosef Stalin17:

devil's advocate: I have seen Mickleson use a wedge on the green multiple times

To keep the pace going, if I go OB, a lot of times I will just take a drop close to where I went out. This helps with the pace of play. I never have been nor will I ever be a competitive golfer, so I don't see the issue.

edit: and usually if I go OB on the first swing, I will go OB on the second

Like this idea and others who have commented that a rules segregation may be good for the game. The stroke-and-distance OB rule is super penal and slows the game considerably.

Financial Modeling

1/10/17

Pace of play is an enormous issue with golf. The theme through these posts has been the challenge of "how do you have time for golf?" It is a valid question that deserves the attention of both the USGA and PGA. For however many fans they are gaining with the younger wave of pros on tour, they are losing with the high barriers to start truly enjoying the game on a recreational level.

There are multiple concepts out there of 'shortening' a quality golf experience. Short courses, 12-15 hole loops, or purely nine hole executives are a great way to still enjoy the full spectrum of the game without sacrificing 6+ hours of the day. I also want to hear the group's thoughts on Topgolf. I personally just had one open up in my metro area and I love the direction it's going. The mixture of socializing + golfing creates a safe, low-stakes atmosphere for people to try the game. Very similar model to the classic bowling alley, which I've never met someone who abhors bowling. You either go and roll a few, or knock back a pitcher of your favorite brown water and cheers with friends.

1/10/17

Not sure how much this could shorten a round of 18, but when i am out with a foursome, we spend more time looking for balls than we should. If a course could apply the RFID technology used at top golf with some sort of GPS system to assist with locating balls, that might help speed up the game.

I cant tell you the number of times my cousin is 220 yards out looking for a ball he hit with his five iron. His five iron MIGHT be his 200 club when he leans into it.

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There actually is something like this in the works with Cobra if I'm not mistaken. Also could see Game Golf doing something similar since they already have a pretty good system to track your rounds.

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Can't confirm if Cobra is on to that but I think it's a matter of time...looking for balls is a round killer if it happens too much.

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nvm I think it's the Arccos golf that I'm thinking of.

1/10/17

This might be a little controversial but I think the tour needs to allow golf carts. The casual fan isn't going to want to watch 8 hours of US Open coverage. Also, they should allow shorts because FUCK golfing with pants in 90+ degree weather.

1/10/17

Slightly off topic:

I think golf is in some really serious trouble going forward as a game with mass appeal. I believe after the baby boomers die off golf is doomed. The state of public golf in the Northeast part of the country is atrocious. Everyone with money plays at private clubs and this causes the public courses to charge a premium for terrible course quality. The weather is the other problem in the Northeast. You can only play comfortably for half the year.

Let's say you want to play a round of golf with your buddies on a Saturday in the summer. First off, the whole day is gone. Needs to be completely blocked on the calendar because the round will take 5.5 hours. Next, you're going to pay $115 at minimum with cart at a half decent course (nothing really that nice, but pretty decent). Add in a few beers and some quick grub, another $40-$50 a head. You're also prob driving 30 min from your house. God forbid you need to buy a dozen balls in the clubhouse, yikes.

Golf is traditionally a white sport. As we all know America is browning slowly and golf is not being passed down as readily to younger generations as it was before. When all is said and done, baby boomers gone etc, I see golf as a niche club sport - think paddle tennis/squash (especially in the Northeast where private clubs rule golf). Much less television coverage, prob only the majors and nothing else. The south will be slower to make this change of course.

Nike is already moving away from golf. The short lived Tiger Woods effect is waaay over and was overrated to begin with.

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Agree 1000% but I also live where it doesn't snow at all and am near some pretty iconic courses. The way I see it is that golf courses need to dry out their courses and not make the whole damn course green. The fact also remains that the price increase from junior to regular golf fees is also insane. I used to be able to get a round at most public courses for 5 dollars and now it is 40-80 bucks all because I'm above 18. They really need to do a better job of trying to appeal to youngish (18-35) people or they're going to lose their shirt. There is a country club in my area that charges 1,000 bucks a month and has a 10-15k initiation fee. Fuck that.

1/10/17

All those price points you just mentioned made me laugh. In the NE the costs are really brutal.

A $40 round in the NE doesn't even exist anymore and a $65 round would be garbage.

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Yep. One of the courses with a $60 green fee is home to one of the rising stars on the PGA tour and the local D1 team. So many quality courses with 7300+ yard tees for the beasts out there. Personally, I like courses that are 6700-7100 yards.

I feel like the quality of golf in the south, southwest, and west coast beat the shit out of what NY or CT can offer.

1/10/17

On a recreational basis. The NE still holds serve with tour level / historic courses.

1/10/17

Agreed but you can't play them year-round unfortunately. I'd kill to be a member at The Olympic Club or Riviera.

1/10/17
BillBelichick37:

I feel like the quality of golf in the south, southwest, and west coast beat the shit out of what NY or CT can offer.

Preach. Growing up in the mid/southwest, I will tell you that there is nearly nothing that compares in the Boston area (one caveat: I have not been able to play the Country Club or Old Sandwich yet...) Pinehills in Plymouth is nice, but it'll set you back $120 in the summer and you have to hike it to Plymouth (same with Newport National). Taconic and Yale are also nice, but then you're driving 2-3 hours EACH WAY for a decent track.

At those rates, you can play a number of top College Courses (The Rawls Course in Lubbock and Finley Forest in Chapel Hill come to mind), get Twilight rates at the Broadmoor, play Troon North in Scottsdale, play the South Course at Torrey Pines (Twilight) or the North Course any time. I'd say all of these are far superior to what you can get up here...

1/10/17

Your right that the price needs to come down. Course need to throw it back to course being more natural. This would take the average green fee way down.

Major OEMS are moving away from golf because they over saturated the market through producing multiple clubs/drivers a year. These upgrades were not needed by customers or were two confusing. Whose dropping $500-$600 y/y on a new driver that doesn't add any value.

Lastly, the "Tiger Woods" affect is a two step process that everyone from the top of golf down to us is overlooking. Arnie, Jack, Tiger, Phil, Ernie, most guys on tour learned/played golf because their parents were players. Tiger won't not have made it without Earl getting him in the game. Tiger sparked people in 2000 who were probably 13 years old, now close to 30, and maybe have young kids. Couple of years, this will be the generation that makes it on tour. However, expect to see many different faces out there, Indian, African, Mexican, and Asian.

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Absolutely doubt it on that last sentence. Golf is 90% white/asian wherever you go. Why do you think Tiger is the only black player for the past 20 or so years on tour.

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Did you read what I just wrote?

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Golf isn't ever going to be diverse.

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Here is another tangent...for those in suburban homes (with a tall basement), you can outfit a golf simulator for less than $10k and have very accurate swing analysis and an entertainment system of playing computer courses all in the luxury of your residence....will that catch on and would you ever do that in lieu of country club memberships and long rounds?

1/10/17

Optishot is a lot more affordable but I have not tried it. Have you?

1/10/17

The pace of the game is slow because the foursome playing a $20 nassau is following the same rules as the final pairing at Augusta. I know the USGA prides itself on having one set of rules but it's time to move on.

There should be a separate set of rules for amateurs with a handicap of 0 or greater. Out of bounds should be played as a simple hazard, as should a lost ball in high rough or woods. The five minutes allocated to search for your ball is absurdly long for amateurs as well - just drop one and take the stroke.

1/10/17

A lot of good conversation here about the current state of golf (Price, length, time commitment, etc.). Personally I agree with most of the points, and without adjustments to the "traditional model", it will likely see a consistent decline over the coming decade.

As I read this through I thought about the most enjoyable times I've had on the course as of late. When the weather is right (New England curse) my buddies and I will go this little 9-hole, Par 3 course not too far from where we go to school. It's perfect. Not in terms of course condition, but rather overall satisfaction. We're in college; we don't need a fancy country club, we don't want to commit a whole day to the game, we don't have $100+ to drop on one round, we want simplicity and to enjoy a hobby. A round takes roughly 2 hours, no carts needed as you can imagine it's small, and the cost is roughly $20. Nothing better than a quick round on a Friday after classes, then a few drinks and a meal before the night. Mind you I'm a college student so this may apply to my demographic a lot more than one with full time income. Still, I think this is somewhere more where the game needs to head to be successful. It has to be available and accessible to those who aren't the most well off.

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Massfinance1995:

A lot of good conversation here about the current state of golf (Price, length, time commitment, etc.). Personally I agree with most of the points, and without adjustments to the "traditional model", it will likely see a consistent decline over the coming decade.

As I read this through I thought about the most enjoyable times I've had on the course as of late. When the weather is right (New England curse) my buddies and I will go this little 9-hole, Par 3 course not too far from where we go to school. It's perfect. Not in terms of course condition, but rather overall satisfaction. We're in college; we don't need a fancy country club, we don't want to commit a whole day to the game, we don't have $100+ to drop on one round, we want simplicity and to enjoy a hobby. A round takes roughly 2 hours, no carts needed as you can imagine it's small, and the cost is roughly $20. Nothing better than a quick round on a Friday after classes, then a few drinks and a meal before the night. Mind you I'm a college student so this may apply to my demographic a lot more than one with full time income. Still, I think this is somewhere more where the game needs to head to be successful. It has to be available and accessible to those who aren't the most well off.

This is a good post. I love short courses and par-3s and I love walking courses. My club is a cart-only course with huge distances between some of the holes. It's the best club for the price in the area and I like the course and the members but I do wish it was walkable.

That is a direction in which golf has gone a bit in the last 10 years. Walking only, "links style" courses are doing quite well (from an outsiders perspective). Bandon Dunes, Streamsong, Whistling Straits & Cabot Links are taking resort golf to a new level. In hard to get to locations, walking only and less manicured than the Trump Doral or Disney type resorts these places are trying to get golf back to its roots. I love going to Bandon and have the others that I mentioned at the top of my "want to go" list. These places are catering to high-earners and bucket-listers who save up to go on one epic trip (yearly, or less often even).

It'll be interesting to see where golf ends up. I think for public golf the short courses and courses that are less penal will be the direction it goes. TopGolf will be huge for the industry; help introduce some people to the game. Then you'll always have the high-end private golf clubs and the resorts.

1/10/17

Would also recommend spending money on waterproof shoes, or at least waterproofing them yourself. Even if it's not raining, if the ground is soggy or there's morning dew, you'll be glad you have them.

1/10/17

I wonder how many people here actually have an innate and organic passion for golf.

Absolute truths don't exist... celebrated opinions do.

1/10/17

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1/11/17

just on the topic of golf in general:
1) can't overemphasize how useful used equipment is to someone trying to break into golf. There is so much good used stuff out there that I can never justify buying "new" clubs. Top of the line irons will set you back about a grand off the rack, however a high-end model that was released 2 years ago will sell for a fraction of that- somewhere in the 300 range usually. And the technologies used in clubs don't change much year to year either. The only things I can think of that're constantly evolving are adjustability options, but I dont believe in adjustability anyway. Much more important to develop a fundamentally sound swing than adjust your driver so that you can swing as hard as you can without producing a 40 yard slice. Usedgolfballs.com is also a good place to shop as you're gonna lose a lot if you're just learning how to play.

2) Personally, I find 9 holes to be much more enjoyable than 18. While I do like golf more than most, I find that by hole 15-16 im just hitting the ball for the sake of playing rather than enjoyment, especially on slower days. I also noticed that I'll cut myself some slack on a hole or two If I'm playing 18 and shank a drive when I should be playing every hole in compliance with traditional golf rules. I have a much easier time committing to 9 serious holes. This is important if your goal is to get better.

1/16/17

New thread is up

1/16/17

Stop playing public and you'll never play a 5-hour round again. I think my longest round this year was 3.5 hours, and I've even done a couple sub-2hr rounds...but my course takes pace of play very seriously...

In related news, not playing from the right tees is probably the biggest cause of slow play. If you're a 20+ handicap -- and probably 75% of golfers are -- you should not be playing from the tips. Or even the blues.

1/16/17

Most golfers should be playing a 5800-6400 yard course. It's more fun this way if you can't hit a driver 260 consistently.

Agreed on the country club part. Hard to justify for people in IB who probably can't play 5-8 times a month.

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