Golfer Matt Kuchar wins $1.3 mil and pays his caddie $5000

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The normal caddie couldn't be there, so Kuchar found a local (Mexico) caddie to fill in. Kuchar agreed to pay the local caddie up to $4,000, but ended up paying him $1,000 more than agreed upon. Kuchar's normal caddie would have made $130,000 if he was there instead of the fill in.

"For a guy who makes $200 a day, a $5,000 week is a really big week," Kuchar said.

What do you all think about this situation?

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Comments (26)

Feb 15, 2019

Looks like caddie actually saying that he had a deal of $3,000 for the week plus a bonus unspecified percentage of the winnings

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Feb 15, 2019

Generally think this is fine and wildly off topic. I'd guess that the reason for his normal caddy being paid more than a random guy he met days ago is that his normal caddy has spent 100s, maybe 1,000s, of hours with him during practice rounds and on the range. The caddies do not seem directly comparable to me. I would not be surprised if he gave his normal caddy more than 5k even though he missed the event.

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Feb 15, 2019

Pretty damn cheap if you ask me, although a deal was agreed upon.

A deal should be a deal and shouldn't be aired in the press after the fact because you got a raw one.

Kuchar should also be a much better tipper and be a little more intelligent (or just sound less out of touch) with his quotes to the media. Imagine if he threw the guy $20k from his winnings - it wouldn't be a story at all and he wouldn't even notice.

Feb 15, 2019

assuming they both agreed upon it beforehand, then a deal is a deal. caddie shouldn't have agreed if he didn't think it was fair value.

that's like an analyst agreeing to a job, then asking the hiring manager for $40k bump in salary after finding out what the other analysts make.

Feb 15, 2019

I see no problems. Requirements were met. His real caddie would have been more help and used to his style. No need to pay the new guy who probably has no idea how this golfer plays anything more than agreed upon.

I probably would have given him like 10k at least, but I like to tip well.

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Feb 15, 2019
famejranc:

The normal caddie couldn't be there, so Kuchar found a local (Mexico) caddie to fill in.

What do you all think about this situation?

What does the caddie's nationality have anything to do with this!?

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Feb 15, 2019

The tournament was in Mexico

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Feb 15, 2019

Your title pisses me off. How does someone's income have anything to do with the amount paid for a service. If an apple is worth .50c in the market should I pay 26x more just because I'm wealthy? If the caddie accepted that amount its because he was better off getting $5000 than not getting anything at all.

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Feb 15, 2019

The caddie helped him win $1.3 million, right? I don't know too much about golf, which is part of why I asked the question, but wouldn't a local caddie's knowledge of the course contribute to a golfer's success? Of course it's legal to just pay him what you said you would pay him, but is it ethical?

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Feb 15, 2019

Short answer, yes his caddie helped him. The argument could be made that even helping Kuch on one stroke throughout the four days is worth much, much more than the 5k he got (regardless of the fact that he won by 4). Caddies are a huge help, and having the local course knowledge definitely didn't hurt (assuming he was from the specific course).

Better answer though, they agreed on a price for his services, and complaining after the tournament was over that he felt he was underpaid is lame.

They agreed on $4k for finishing in the top 10, so Kuch actually gave him a $1k extra than their agreement said he had to. Obviously not the main issue here but it's not like Kuch was trying to stick it to this guy

Feb 16, 2019

They had a deal, boss.

Feb 15, 2019

Man you guys live on a different planet. I simply can't comprehend how he could think a $5k check to the caddy was an appropriate amount after winning $1.3 million. Phil would've given the guy the $130k and probably a bag full of Callaway's.

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Feb 15, 2019

was it appropriate? no.

did he fulfill his obligation? from what's being reported, yes. they had an agreement of $4k.

Feb 15, 2019

Before the tournament they agreed that he would be paid $3,000 plus "an unspecified percentage of his winnings." I don't think the caddy was wrong here to be expecting more than 0.3% of the winnings when the standard is 10%. As a fill-in I certainly don't think he should have expected the 10% rate but damn, 2-4% or $25-50k would have been more than fair. $5k is just being a cheap asshole.

Feb 15, 2019

There must be a caddie caste system I'm not aware of.

White Caddie - Specific % of winnings.
Asian Caddie - Smaller % of winnings.
Mexican Caddie - $4k check.
Black Caddie - $500 straight cash.

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Feb 15, 2019
famejranc:

Kuchar agreed to pay the local caddie up to $4,000, but ended up paying him $1,000 more than agreed upon.

I don't see the problem. They agreed to the terms, Kuchar fulfilled the terms of the agreement + 25%.

Feb 16, 2019

He relented and paid him 50k

Feb 16, 2019
BobTheBaker:

He relented and paid him 50k

"Relented" from Kuchar's angle is Bridgestone/Skecher/Workday put pressure on him, or passed the hat to pay the guy.

Feb 16, 2019

$5k to carry around a golf bag seems like a lot to me. I thought this was going to be a story about what a generous guy Kuchar was.

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Feb 15, 2019

I actually thought the same thing, too.

Feb 16, 2019
DickFuld:

$5k to carry around a golf bag seems like a lot to me. I thought this was going to be a story about what a generous guy Kuchar was.

Carrying around a golf bag is an extremely simplistic definition of a professional caddy's job.

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Feb 16, 2019
BobTheBaker:
DickFuld:

$5k to carry around a golf bag seems like a lot to me. I thought this was going to be a story about what a generous guy Kuchar was.

Carrying around a golf bag is an extremely simplistic definition of a professional caddy's job.

You say potato, I say guy who carries the golf bag.

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Feb 16, 2019

Per CNN (lol): "I kind of think someone got in his ear," Kuchar told GOLF.com on Wednesday. "I was very clear and very upfront on Tuesday [the first day of the tournament] and he said 'OK.'

That is regarding the 5k he gave him.

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Feb 16, 2019

I follow golf pretty close. I think this is price gauging, or a form of price gauging.

Imagine if Kuchar checked our of his hotel Sunday night and they tripled his room rate, because, you know, our beds helped you win the event.

Been said above, they had a contract, Kuchar paid what he said he would.

My problem is that, I don't like when other people try to tell someone how to spend their money, whether they have a lot or a little amount. I think in this situation everyone looks at Kuchar, thinks he won $1.3mn in 4 days, and should be able to spread it around. He could if he wants, but he also doesn't have too. Is he suppose to over tip everyone now?

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