Before you read, I hope you're as disgusted from glancing at the picture to the left as I was and seethe with rage with wanting to kill this fucking bitch.
BY ALICIA CRUZ
NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM
A Newark woman is facing four counts of animal cruelty after police say she tossed her starving pit-bull down a garbage chute March 16, leaving it to die, CBS News reported.
When questioned, Kisha Curtis, 28, whose Facebook Page listed her employer as Klimaxxpromos Girls, a Newark-based adult entertainment company, allegedly admitted that she could not care for the dog any longer, but denied throwing his body down the trash chute. The manager of Klimaxxpromos spoke with Newjerseynewsroom.com and only stated that Curtis worked for him from 2009 through 2010, but added that he had not seen Ms. Carter in approximately 10 or 11 months.
The New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said a building maintenance worker found the anorexic canine in the trash at the Garden Spires apartment building in Newark.
The red pit bull mix, named Patrick, is reportedly recovering at the Garden State Veterinary Specialists, in Tinton Falls, where he is receiving round the clock care at the facility's trauma unit. Doctors determined that the one-year-old pit bull was severely anemic and malnourished, in what they called the worse cases of animal cruelty they had ever seen.
Patrick's condition was so grave, hospital officials didn't think he would make it through the night, Patricia Scavelli told CBS News. The dog has undergone a blood transfusion, and at least one Rutherford Company, Sweet Avenue Bake Shop, has donated a portion of their proceeds to the Associated Humane Societies of New Jersey after learning of Patrick’s situation.
Veterinary Specialists say if Patrick's condition improves and he recovers, he will be put up for adoption.
Curtis’ charges are as follows: two counts of abandonment and two counts of failure to provide proper sustenance to the animal. According to Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals spokesman Frank Saracino, if Curtis is convicted, she could face six months in jail, a $1,600 fine or community service, the Star-Ledger reported.
Authorities still urge anyone with information on the crime to call the NJSPCA tip line at
http://www.ahscares.org/showarchive.asp?id=772
Video of his recovery.
Furthermore? On her facebook page it lists her as working for a PORN company. wtf who wants to see her ugly ass in porn. bitch has a tattoo of a heart inbetween her fucking eyes.
I wish I could grab him after he recovers
Edited
I know exactly how my meet is made. I still eat it but when someone does something like this for an extended period of time to an animal that they presumably took in to be a part of their family they deserve to be drawn and quartered.
qft
They do that shit to Cows and Chicken for extended periods of time too happy. Not disagreeing with what you said but that shit is pretty fucked up too.
that's sad... i hate that people get animals and then treat them like this... hopefully he finds a good home
What is wrong with people?
Agreed, it is sick that anyone would starve a dog that they see every day. And then, on top of that, she left the dog to die in the trash. She could have given it to the animal shelter, let it go earlier (obviously not good), or whatever. It always appalls me that people can treat pets this way.
Yes I love meat. Veal is amazing, some sick shit happens on veal farms but I really don't care. I admit it. While I would rather have all animals be free range, grass fed, etc. it's not economical. In a world where people continually try to give the best stuff to the most people shit will happen.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/Y82jTI3BqRM
If an animal is raised for the express purpose of food, I honestly don't really care. But if you simply torture the animal for no reason, it's crazy.
hahaha wow okay asshole so i guess if she had EATEN the dog afterward it would have been totally cool
If she had killed the dog without torturing it for weeks thats a different story. And yes I make a distinction between starving an animal and farming an animal for food. I love animals, but I would rather kill an animal than my family or myself die.
Go back to eating your veggies. Because I assume you cannot eat meat at all with that attitude unless you are either retarded or a hypocrite.
I love that my post got me 9 monkey shits. Keep it coming fucker.
Shocking she is from Newark. Man, that place just has the most upstanding citizens
Pretty ugly what she did. It would have been easier/more humane/healthier if she had just let it go and allowed it to hunt for it's own food in the city. Hope the poor guy makes it through.
This is quickly turning into a PETA post. I hate that organization almost as much as I hate animal cruelty. On the surface it seems like a good thing they are doing, but that group is border line militant. They are batshit insane. I hope no one else on here buys into that BS
Call me a speciesist if you will, but I think shit like this gets undeserved amounts of PR vs. human mistreatment of other humans. Tons of stories of this happening to kids, especially when they're adopted by unsavory characters in hickass parts of the US.
I was going to say the same thing.
+1 my friend. There are a lot of people out there who put some animal above their fellow man
Really can't believe I'm hearing shit like this. First of all, if a kid was starved, neglected, and thrown in a dumpster it would be all over CNN, HLN, MSNBC, etc. The person responsible would be RIPPED apart by the media and probably do 10 years. This bitch gets six months and a thousand dollar fine?
Everyone who is agreeing with Uncle Ben probably doesn't have a dog. For those that have had one, they can attest to the fact that dogs become family. You beat a dog, they will still come back out of loyalty. You think that would ever happen with an adult person? People are smart enough to know when they're being fucked with, dogs don't. They're just innocent. And that speaks volumes about a person's character when they're willing to victimize an inferior being, whether it's a dog or a child.
Animal abuse laws are SO weak in the U.S. it's appalling. (See: dogsdeservebetter.org)
Where's Uncle Eddie when you need him? I'm sure he'll have something to say about this given his recent post about Hudson.
STW and HPM, I'm with you guys on this one.
I agree
There is an awesome fucking documentary out there that completely shits on all of you PETA ass clowns condeming veal farms. Pretty sure it's an episode of Penn and Teller Bullshit, which is an awesome fucking show. Arden, you are a complete idiot if you are in anyway defending the actions of this ass pimple, starving a dog is a completely different ball game than what actually happens to baby cows. Go suck Michael Moore's cock some more....
That's a great episode of a great show. They kill PETA
That show was awesome but that particular episode is probably the most memorable. I love how people were eating the "organic" banana and described it as much more "banana-ey" than the other...only to find out it was the same fucking banana, lol. I also like how they talked about how half the planet would starve to death if we got rid of all pesticides and fertilizers, etc. and all our food was organic.
...half the world, hmmm. On second thought maybe we should switch, lol.
At any rate, I am rather pissed off because I thought for sure this was going to be another pasta induced subway throw down and instead it's just a post that pisses me the fuck off. This bitch should be publicly embarrassed..like drag her as to the stocks and let hoodlum children throw rotten fruit at her.
Regards
I want to cut this woman's fucking head off.
If you are cruel to animals, then you are bottom of the barrel fucking scum. But, of course, in a society where we idolize convicted felon dog killer crime syndicate runner Michael Vick as some sort of fucking hero, should we expect any better?
Skank ho stripper needs to be tried for animal cruelty (although in this case it is technically neglect). And I am gonna guess there's something wrong with the dog, like cancer, because if he was just starved he'd be stealing food But if she is the bottom of the barrel scum for animal cruelty, what does that make the patrick Bateman wanting to cut her head off?
Bateman killed a homeless man's dog. He's not off the hook by any stretch of the imagination.
I have a problem with the general hatred of hicks on this site. It makes you all a bunch of hipocrites, you condone animial cruelty yet you are more than happy to be cruel and nasty to your fellow humans. I have no problem with disagreeing with peoples points of view, but to hate them all simply because of where they come from is no different then hating them for the color of their skin.
This makes me absolutely sick. I have 2 pitbulls and love them as much as you can love an animal. I think this woman should be executed. No more of this slap on the wrist shit.
To all the PETA tree huggin ignorant motherfuckers in this thread. I have one question for you: Have you ever been to an actual farm/ranch? Please, look at my username and imagine where I may be from. I come from an agricultural background.
I find this equally horrifying as child abuse, violence against women, mistreatment of livestock, etc. These behaviors come from the same root of evil as far as I am concerned. The worst about this is that the woman watched this animal nearly starve to death. I just can't even begin to comprehend how someone can do that and have zero empathy.
Are you fucking delirious? Plenty of kids DIE from abuse every day. For their abusers to get a mention it would have to be something outrageous, like mom's boyfriend repeatedly raped a 3 year old, or a " 1 year old's body is covered in scars from scalding, it was a preferred method of "discipline""
I don't think anyone's defending it. We just don't think it should be put on par with violence/mistreatment of human beings.
To donate:
http://www.ahscares.org/shop/item.asp?itemid=30&catid=0
Give what you can. There aren't many things I donate to, but if you watched the YouTube video, I don't know how you can not. To be completely honest, I haven't donated to anything in the past - first time for everything. I know many of you are in the same shoes - do the right thing for once. I just did it and will sleep better at night for it.
With the intention of maintaining some professionalism, I hope the woman that did this gets what she deserves. Unfortunately, it is not what the law allows her to get, but we can still hope she meets someone extra friendly in jail... Or they forget to feed her during the entirety of her 12 months or something. Maybe they even have a garbage chute for her.
we should just eat crackheads children after we humanely kill them?
[quote=shorttheworld]we should just eat crackheads children after we humanely kill them?[/quot, yes
I don't think capital punishment is an appropriate means of handling animal abusers. I think a loss of animal owning privileges coupled with probation would make more sense. People tend to lose a sense of perspective when dogs are involved because they love dogs, but we shouldn't give them such a high place in the hierarchy of justice when we have child abuse, rape and murder victims not getting the same emotional support.
I don't think animal abuse should be devalued, but we should recognize that animals are not people. Though we may find it vile and disgusting that somebody would mistreat their pet, it seems strange to recommend incarceration for an animal abuser when our food industry is based on the wholesale slaughter of millions of animals a year (billions worldwide).
That's not to say that animals deserve to be mistreated, but it seems that when the natural reaction to a case like this is "guttertrash hoodrat bitch* deserves to die," then we ought to reexamine our priorities.
yes because she, of course, isnt a guttertrash hoodrat bitch living in projects in newark with fucking multicolored haired, a fucking tattoo between her eyes and she does fucking sketchy amateur porn. are you fucking daft
The bitch must die.
I agree with your assessment of the nature of the tragedy, but I don't think depriving an animal of a loving home ought to be grounds for capital punishment. Millions of animals slaughtered annually so that you can sink your teeth into their seared flesh could have also been raised in loving homes.
Again, yes I see the difference between butchering livestock and abusing pets. I think that this woman should be punished, but I don't think incarceration, let alone capital punishment, is a suitable course of action.
It's natural for people to have strong feelings for their dogs. If someone fucked with my dog...
We feel so strongly about our pets because they reciprocate unconditionally and are never sad or pissed with us (unlike our friends/families). No one here is condoning the torture of animals. I think we can universally agree on that point. It's not an issue.
The issue I have is when media organizations, PETA, et al run a huge campaign over one animal. It's just a huge mis-allocation of resources. Unleashing fanatical fury on people like this woman and Michael Vick won't change the mindset of sociopaths. Maybe I'm biased as a human being but I believe that there are human children who are are in similar conditions and that it would be more prudent to focus time, money, and the public's attention span on these issues rather than these sort of longtail-esque aberrations of animal treatment.
Sterling, how would you enforce a loss of animal owning privileges? That seems impractical to be honest - I doubt government or industry are going to develop and fund a central database of all registered animal abusers. Even then, who's to say anyone will look at it?
If you put it on their criminal record, EVERYONE will see it and that (in theory) should be enough to deter anyone from doing it. Add on a tougher punishment for the offender and rewards for turning in animal abusers and you'd probably see abuse cases drop.
Child abuse, rape, etc. are obviously extremely deplorable actions, but how can we as a "civilized society" declare ourselves morally superior when we apply our values in discriminatory fashion?
I don't need to point out that several hundred years ago treatment of blacks was not far from how this woman treated this dog. Argonaut said "Animals are not human." - I bet they said that about blacks too.
I enjoy it when I have sex with dogs. Their fur feels good against my naked body.
I'm not happy about it and definitely don't think highly of the act, but I also can't help but to get the same negative build up going when I see the dramatizing of animal cruelty. If we are going to accept a society which allows poor humans to starve, animal cruelty is a natural result of our attitudes. The real issue here is the woman: her background, how she was raised and what she does for a living. Naturally, we don't want to not be PC...so we're going to focus on the poor puppy and not the real issue.
"•The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Gandhi
looks like the guy is recovering pretty well.
@rickyross - enforced by visitations and probation. if an animal is discovered on the premises, then you go to jail for a violation of probation, pay heavy fines, etc.
@txjustin - we spawn millions of genetically engineered animals and keep them in cages solely to become burger patties and chicken nuggets for obese American children. If we are to be judged by our treatment of animals, this will no doubt be viewed as a far greater sin than isolated cases of animal abuse.
@Midas: wasn't trying to avoid discussing the woman - what exactly are you suggesting when you say we need to focus on the real issue? The problem to me seems that there's widespread institutional apathy toward animal welfare. That's somewhat true of society's view on the poor / hungry, but there are more institutional support structures to assist the latter. I mentioned above that animal abuse laws are generally extremely weak in the U.S. I honestly believe punishments need to be severe and examples need to be made, but I have been known to express Machiavellian tendencies.
@Sterling: they employ this system with child protective services departments around the country and there are plenty of cases where neglect and abuse go unreported. The underlying problem in most cases is that social workers are underfunded and cannot attend to every case. Do you really think with the extant fiscal deficits governments will establish a new department solely dedicated to keeping tabs on animal abusers? Doubtful if you ask me.
Unfortunately, I think it's fighting a losing battle. Capitalism's beneficiaries are intended to be human, but I think you can motivate some social change piece by piece.
The real issue is the woman's lifestyle. One which is nowhere near shamed, ridiculed and attacked enough by the media/legal system. Though I feel bad for any creature being abused, a dog is a dog...not a human. It's easy to focus on the victim and speak in rhetorical terms. The true problem is that the lifestyle design mode of: fuck, shit,eat, smoke that chronic, get that cash, live the grimy life is often easily cloaked under the popular masks of female empowerment, coming from a tough background, not having any other choice...etc. It is not surprising that anytime you hear these sort of stories, the perpetrator generally fits the same description. Regulation has no place here. It's a matter of smacking humans who act like animals. Not regulating the actual smacking of animals...which is often necessary outside the confines of emotionally charged arguments.
$1,600 and 6 months in jail? Thats all? They should Michael Vick her, at the very least.
Ok. Well I will say this, I've been to many farms in my life. I've seen very little of the treatment you describe. I think you are describing what this very article is describing, the outlier that catches all the media attention and makes it seem as if it's the norm.
While there is something to be said for the fact that documentaries will always strive for the "worst" footage, the reality is that treatment of most animals raised for food is quite bad.
There are a lot of "farms" in Texas run by wealthy people, where they have some horses, pigs, chickens, etc. These are not factory production farms of the type that make the overwhelming majority of the food in the country. The farms shown in documentaries are HUMONGOUS, with THOUSANDS of animals. How many animals did the farms you went to have? Were they those nice farms/ranches in suburban Dallas? lol
I've been to farms too, and so have more people than you know. Thing is, most people go to small family-run farms that are not representative of the lifestyle that the typical animal has.
I do eat meat, but not very often. I try, when possible, to purchase animal products from animals that were treated better than average (so not just "organic", but cage-free eggs, for example). Anyone who can say this "bitch deserves to die" but at the same time feels no qualms over eating some eggs and bacon at Denny's, is guilty of hypocrisy on a humongous scale. Cattle, usually free roaming animals, are penned together in small spaces. Same for pigs. Chickens are housed in little cages not much bigger than themselves. 9 BILLION animals are slaughtered in the US a year, most of them at young ages, after living in conditions we would never subject a human, dog, or cat to. Oh, and to top it all off, meat is very unhealthy and Americans' shift to an increasingly meat-heavy diet has been one of the biggest (if not the biggest) driver of the obesity epidemic. So it's not like we're even doing ourselves any good by doing this (I guess the Montezuma's revenge of the animals..). A lot of what is done is torture (hell, we've selectively bred turkeys to be so big breasted that they can barely walk...it's because 99% of the population is totally clueless as to where their food comes from that the agricultural industry can get away with all the disgusting shit they do).
You don't even have to watch some of the really horrific footage. Food Inc. makes good arguments and shows some PG-rated footage of some of the shit that's done to animals.
I'm talking about cow running operations that span several thousand acres. I grew up an hour southwest of Houston, so nowhere near Dallas. I come from an agricultural background. I grew up in a town that is very close to a major chicken farm. From what I saw, they weren't too bad. It could have been better.
just search YouTube--here's one I found in 2 seconds (as a bonus it's also narrated by Alec Baldwin)
It happens all the time in the meat/produce industry and we eat it every day.
To all the people who think that it's a stretch to equate this woman's actions to the slaughter of farm animals
watch this --
Yes, I wish it daily. Triceratops baby!
Whoa.
1) What does that have to do with a dog being tortured?
2) Who says I want to cut welfare?
3) Who says welfare is only targeted at helping kids.
Nice jump in logic dude.
Oh yeah, I forgot, my conservative, fiscal beliefs make this cruel act not that bad.
Rape = bad, unless the person being raped is a fiscal conservative.
Then it is all good.
lol what is with the strawmans, Anthony? Who said this was a good thing or not that bad? The point is that it is incredibly irrelevant to the NUMEROUS events that happen everyday to humans, including young children even more defenseless than this animal, in this country and there is little outrage. Not to mention, your 'fiscal conservatism' doesn't seem to extend to this incident since you think the courts should be involved in an incident involving PERSONAL PROPERTY that wouldn't be punished if it were any type of animal besides a dog.
1) You continually bring outside, irrelevant facts in, in an attempt to distract or take away from the heinousness of what is done.
2) How does the horrible mistreatment of children have anything to do with this? I agree that it is horrible and as soon as a post is made about some mistreatment and torture of a child I will express equal rage.
3) If this happened to a young child the person would be convicted of murder. While both are equally defenseless, the child murderer would get the most severe of punishments.
4) There is ALWAYS outrage when something happens to a child. I don't know what you are talking about.
5) A child is "personal property" of a parent. That doesn't mean the parent can do whatever they want with the kid.
Once again, you are very very wrong. Here is the NJ animal cruelty law. I don't expect you to read it since you didn't look at my other link showing academic research linking animal cruelty with human cruelty and crime.
Reading is really important. You might learn something. Try it some time.
http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusnjst4_22_15_57.htm
"Summary:
These New Jersey statutes comprise the state's anti-cruelty provisions. According to the definitional section, "animal" or "creature" includes the whole brute creation. Exclusions under the act include state regulated scientific experiments, state sanctioned killing of animals, hunting of game, training of dogs, normal livestock operations, and the killing of rats and mice. With regard to livestock practices, no person may be cited or arrested for a first offense involving a minor or incidental violation of any provision of this title involving alleged cruelty to domestic livestock unless that person has first been issued a written warning. A person who shall overdrive, overload, overwork, deprive of necessary sustenance, abuse, or needlessly kill a living animal or creature, or inflict unnecessary cruelty upon a living animal or creature, or unnecessarily fail to provide a living animal or creature of which the person has charge either as an owner or otherwise with proper food, drink, shelter or protection from the weather, or leave it unattended in a vehicle under inhumane conditions adverse to the health or welfare of the living animal or creature is guilty of a disorderly persons offense and shall be fined not less than $250 nor more than $1,000, or be imprisoned for a term of not more than six months, or both. In addition, the court shall impose a term of community service of up to 30 days, and may direct that the term of community service be served in providing assistance to the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, or other such organization. A person who shall purposely, knowingly, or recklessly torment, torture, maim, hang, poison, unnecessarily or cruelly beat, or needlessly mutilate a living animal or creature shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. If the animal or creature is cruelly killed or dies as a result of a violation of this subsection, or the person has a prior conviction for a violation of this subsection, the person shall be guilty of a crime of the third degree with community service. Other provisions include euthanasia standards, care of impounded animals, prohibitions against abandoning animals, shooting of live birds for target practice, animal fighting, and sale of dog or cat pelts. Section 4:22-26 describes the acts constituting cruelty in general which mirror the disorderly person provisions described above. Under this section, violation of the listed provisions results in forfeiture and the paying of a sum (according to schedule), to be sued for and recovered, with costs, in a civil action by any person in the name of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals."
Animal
Not just dogs and pets.
Farm Animals
"With regard to livestock practices, no person may be cited or arrested for a first offense involving a minor or incidental violation of any provision of this title involving alleged cruelty to domestic livestock unless that person has first been issued a written warning. A person who shall overdrive, overload, overwork, deprive of necessary sustenance, abuse, or needlessly kill a living animal or creature, or inflict unnecessary cruelty upon a living animal or creature, or unnecessarily fail to provide a living animal or creature of which the person has charge either as an owner or otherwise with proper food, drink, shelter or protection from the weather, or leave it unattended in a vehicle under inhumane conditions adverse to the health or welfare of the living animal or creature is guilty of a disorderly persons offense and shall be fined not less than $250 nor more than $1,000, or be imprisoned for a term of not more than six months, or both. "
No arrest involving a minor or incidental violation. If the violation is repeated or not incidental the person faces these charges.
So Jerome, you are wrong. If this involves a fucking cow in the woman's apartment I would be just as upset and she would be arrested.
lawl you're so fucking stupid.. I don't give a fuck if NJ has animal cruelty laws--the fact is you don't really stick to small government fiscal conservatism when you want the government to step in and decide whether the treatment and killing of an animal is done in a manner that is arbitrarily defined as humane. You have, however, spoken about how upset you are that the government spends money on providing low income individuals (predominantly minors) with access to food and other resources. Hypocrisy, much? Considering the racism in this thread, it is probably related to your disdain of minorities.
And no, there is not always outrage when children are mistreated. If you believe that to be the case, you're smoking some good shit because it would take anyone here all of 5 minutes to find >10 stories from this week alone that didn't make a blip on this site or national news and probably not much longer to search local police databases of recent crimes and see how many involve minors being mistreated by adults.
And children aren't personal property in American law. Please stop hogging all that good shit, puff, and pass.
Well this happened in NJ so NJ animal cruelty laws are relevant.
You also said that if it was any other animal it wouldn't of mattered. Turns out it would of mattered.
I believe in small government. I never said I believe in lawlessness. How is saying that animals should be killed in a certain way not consistent with small government beliefs? Every Holy book dictates specific ways an animal should be killed. Libertarian beliefs really say you can do what you want unless it infringes on someone else. I think it would be fair to extend basic rights to most animals. I mean liberty doesn't mean you can run some palace of torture.
What this woman clearly fits the bill of torture.
Every minor would be low income, we have child labor laws. What I speak out against is life long welfare and an entitlement state. I 100% support programs for the poor, old, needy, sick. What I do not support is unchecked social spending.
Once again, this story was posted on WSO. Feel free to post some stories about these kids being harmed. Every time I read about it I see countless posts on the news site about how horrible it is. You make it sound as if people high five when a kid gets killed, but go nuts when a dog gets killed.
Anymore incorrect and completely off topic things to say Jerome?
Below the age of 18 a child is the full responsibility of the parent. The parent must provide food and shelter for that child. The parent can deduct that child from their taxes and receive benefit. The parent can send the child to whatever school. The child cannot make decisions for themselves or sign contracts.
That is pretty much property.
ANT what's the deal tonight? Is the Earth round or flat??
Wrong, it's 'unfair' and you're a bigot, lol.
Regards
Lmao
Um, Jerome, the discussion we're having here is about this particular incident of animal abuse, not fiscal conservatism, child abuse, rape, etc. And you still haven't raised any relevant arguments as to why we should not all be appalled at this woman's behavior. My (and I'm sure ANT's) reaction is not limited to just this woman and this dog, it obviously applies across all similar scenarios (and in cases of rape, child abuse, murder, but we're not discussing that here).
There's obviously a fundamental disagreement about values here. If OP had posted the exact same title with the exact same crime, but the picture was that of a 10 year old child, NO ONE would be saying "we need to focus on all the other underreported issues like rape, murder, neglect of all those poor kids in Africa, and child trafficking in Asia". I think ANT is trying to say that as civilized, moral people, it's unfair, unjust, and hypocritical of us to overlook the mistreatment of any inferior beings, or any beings for that matter. I agree. If you or anyone else has a logical counterargument let's hear it. No more of this "animals are not people; rapists are bad" business.
@Midas, the problem with encouraging the media to shame this particular type of lifestyle is not a complete solution to the problem. It's not as if one very clearly defined demographic fits the bill of "dog abuser" (let's not digress and talk about other types of offenders). "The true problem is that the lifestyle design mode of: fuck, shit,eat, smoke that chronic, get that cash, live the grimy life..." - this sounds like Mike Vick (who I also hate). Unless you want to go all TSA and start racially profiling potential animal abusers, this approach is flawed.
I don't think anyone (except people like this woman) looks at cases like this and goes: "gee, that's awful what she did, but she did have it tough growing up as a poor black woman". I'd love to get rid of these types of people permanently, it's just not going to happen. The problem is that these types of stories flee peoples' consciousness as quickly as they come. It HAS to be drilled into your head as frequently and graphically as possible. Otherwise, out of sight, out of mind.
Yah.... I wouldn't be so sure of THAT. I think ANT's priorities were stated quite clearly in this thread: http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/usc-frat-email-goes-viral
I just don't understand how a person with a vision acute enough to distinguish the fine line between rape and non-consent cannot see the fat division between neglect and intentional torture.
Archer - I don't actually think she should be executed. I value a human life more than I value the life of any other living thing. Also, Archer, great show. GREAT show.
And no one who has brought up the issue of inhumane treatment of farm animals is in any way excusing what this woman did. That's ridiculous logic to imply that, no one is saying that.
Look at it this way, if you had gone back to WW2 Germany and they had gassed some non-Jewish person, they would have been horrified. But if you had said, well what about what you're doing to the Jews? They would have said, oh, but they don't count. It's that type of ridiculous contradiction that people want to bring to light when they refer to the farm animals.
Btw, what if I put a dog in a cage that's only slightly bigger than the dog, in a pitch black room that almost never gets any sunlight. I feed it what it needs to live and stay "healthy", but never take it out of its cage. I then slaughter it about half way through it's life. Does the fact that I eat it after it's dead make my treatment of it ok?
What I just described is the typical life of an egg laying chicken (they put them in the small cages so egg recovery is easier). Non-egg laying chickens also live in dark rooms (no cages though), with way too many chickens in a confined, dark space (again, watch food inc. or any other documentary). None of this shit is untrue, it's standard practice. It's the picture of a farm with animals traipsing around happily that is the exception, whereas most people think that is the rule.
And I hate PETA, talk about antagonizing everyone that disagrees with you by being militant and unreasonable; way to solve a problem...
I don't have any problem with raising animals for food, just with the treatment of them during the process. For a relatively modest increase in price we could be much, much more humane. (not to mention the increase in price would make healthier options more price competitive, and go a long way to solving the obesity epidemic).
Could you explain what your definition of "modest" price increase is? Could you also provide some data that supports your claim?
Also, what type of meat do you occasionally eat? Is it free roam porterhouse?
And in what twisted ass mind could you even begin to compare human genocide with cattle farms? So the cows are Jews and the Americans are Nazis?
Regards
The price increases wouldn't be that big. There is plenty of data out there. Go to your grocery store and compare the price for organic chicken to the regular and you'll get a rough idea. Compare cage free eggs to regular, what's the difference, a dollar at most? Sure, for some people it adds up, but most of those people are also eating way too much meat as is, it would be to their benefit to buy less meat and higher prices would help encourage that. Hell, even Chipotle uses good food sourcing practices, especially for how big it is. How much more expensive is Chipotle than Qdoba?
I've eaten everything from organic free range to a Big Mac at McDonald's. I'm not a crazy PETA member, but I recognize we could, and should, be doing a lot more. I believe any rational person who has actually looked at objective data on the subject would agree. I think the most ridiculous part is the insane amount of medical damage we as a society are doing to ourselves; humans have not evolved to eat anywhere near the amount of meat the average American consumes.
I believe that the disdain and lack of care for animal lives is equivalent to the disdain the Nazi's had for the jew "swine". It's not as twisted as you would think...I don't think the cows would disagree with me... I don't see why we have this elitism as a species and think we're "special". There's nothing special about us. And it's not like all the animals we kill are retarded. Pigs have a much higher intellect than the dogs we get so outraged about when they get abused...
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