Hello - Looking for some advice in within the Australian financial scene
Hi, I am currently in the last semester of my undergrad in Finance and I take my electives in econometrics and modelling. I'm not at a Go8 uni (for non Aussies this means I'm basically not at a 'target') and I'm in a city where good financial jobs are few and far between - the industry is focused on the resource sector.
My current aim/hope is to be offered/accepted into completing my Honours and then move over to Sydney and pursue non-graduate (aka not going through the 3-year grind) roles there. If I don't get into honours however...I am weighing up between going to Sydney anyway, with just my undergrad qualification...or applying for the Uni of Melbourne (a 'target' uni) and completing a Masters in Finance there. Does anyone here have any experience with Sydney and can shed some light on the possibility of scoring an analyst position there? A quick search on jobsites rendered quite a few vacancies that I would love to work in (says 2-3 years exp required of course though..).
Also I plan on sitting the GMAT and aim to get a high score so that my back up of going to Uni of Melb has some more weight behind it - how much time would you suggest to prepare? I have some practice books/tests ready to go after exams are done. Would 2 weeks be enough time?
Thanks for reading, I look forward to your responses.
welcome AmbitionandDrive... there is a ton of advice on the GMAT in the business school forum (drop down in blue nav bar under "Forums").
I'm not too familiar with Uni of Mel, or finance gigs in Australia, but we do have a strong contingent of Australian monkeys, so I encourage you to sign up for happy hours in your area here: //www.wallstreetoasis.com/events and start building your network :-)
Also, I'd use the search function (click on the icon in the upper right corner)...
Welcome and best of luck! Patrick
It extremely unlikely that you would score an analyst role at a top bank straight out of uni with zero experience. You could have a top GMAT score and HD average in MFin but when you are applying for jobs that REQUIRE 2-3 years experience you will not even be considered. Can I ask why do you have an aversion to applying for graduate programs? Is it because you're afraid of the workload? You seem to be willing to uproot your entire life and move to a new city for your career. Trust me you shouldn't be concerned about the so-called "3 year grind". It's actually not as bad as people make out. Moreover, if you enrol in an MFin or honours for next year you would still be able qualify for most 2015 grad programs in your final year. Grad programs are aimed at those with minimal useful experience, although obviously you need a well-rounded background. Generally they give you a leg-up in the industry because you are tasked with responsibilities beyond the usual progression for a non-grad hire.
Thanks for the responses.
I am not adverse to graduate programs, but I think it much more likely to score a junior analyst position at a boutique joint than land a grad position in an IB. I do not have a HD average due to slacking off in my first 2 years of study, my last year of study is a HD average..I want to do Honours to get First Class which will speak volumes over 2 years of being slack.
Sorry I was unclear in my original post - I'm not adverse to working hard just will not realistically land an IB grad position with my UG grades as I hear you have to be 90%+ average, president of a large financial student group and running multiple businesses...
Appreciate your insight kanga, please pass on any more advice in relation to this post.
Unfortunately, you most likely won't get a top job at a financial firm in Sydney coming from your school and with your grades (and presumably, relative lack of experience- since you haven't listed much relevant experience). Additionally, both SA recruiting for this summer and FT recruiting for next year finished months ago, so you don't really have an "easy" avenue into financial firms (this is more relevant for large banks obviously- boutiques may be different). Your best bet may be to do an honours year and try and recruit for a SA position during the year. However, a MFin at Melbourne or in Sydney (USyd, UNSW) would be even better than just an honours year, which in all honesty may not be sufficient (more likely isn't than is).
Which specific financial role/job are you aiming at? Financial/accounting roles at "regular companies" (ie not large, established banks) may be within reach now (if any are still recruiting)/after your honours year. IB etc will be much tougher, and at minimum probably will need the MFin, increased experience etc.
In my opinion your best option would be: find a somewhat relevant job this summer----> honours year---->more relevant financial internship (big 4 etc) following summer----->MFin-------->IB etc internship during your MFin----->grad position at a bank FT upon graduation. Relevant extracurriculars, networking etc alongside all this. With a path like that, you'll maximise your chances at getting a grad role at a bank. Note: you won't get into a bank in an entry-level position by circumventing any grad programs, that's the only way in.
While in your situation you can put in some long-term effort and get something like IB in the end, keep in mind there are no guarantees and so consider carefully how badly you want something like IB (if you do want it/something similarly competitive) before deciding to put in a few years of this kind of effort. To illustrate the competitiveness, I am interning in IB this summer in Sydney- my bank had hundreds and hundreds (don't know exact number) of applications and took 4 interns. Someone I know is working at a bank in Melbourne that took 4 interns from ~1500 applicants. That being said, even if you put in all this effort and don't get IB/something similarly competitive, you'll still be in a much better position career/education wise so there's no real downside I can see.
PM me if you have further questions. I am at UMelb and heading into IB in Sydney this summer/after I graduate FT so I may be able to answer some of your specific questions.
Thanks for the informative response noththehospitalER. Unfortunately coming out of HS I was not conscientious of what I wanted to do or how to get there, as such I didn't hit the ground running as stated previously - otherwise I would have a HD average and transferred across to a Go8 after my first semester.
I don't want to work big4 for any length of time unless I can lateral from corp advisory/mconsulting into IB or a fund. I'm not too caught up in working in an IB, although I would love to. I do want to work in a top field though; PE, IB, VC, MC etc.
Why would MFin have more weighting than Hons.? My understanding of most masters programs is they're for people that didn't major in that field during their UG. I can see the obvious benefits of doing the MFin at a Go8 though - extra year to land an internship + networking + 'prestige' on the CV.
I live in Perth btw - I cold emailed every corp advisory etc here and received no responses and I have to do summer school from Jan-Feb in order to complete my UG in time for Hons. so I don't think I'll be able to line up a relevant job.
Your best option scenario sounds good but I am not sold on having to do a MFin after Hons. I was hoping to do an MBA down the track and I don't want to spend half my life studying.
I would have PM'd you but I don't have enough bananas. Perhaps you can PM in which I can reply? I'm sure I have a few more questions.
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