Help w/ typical carry + coinvest profit example for VP?
Hi everyone,
Long time lurker here and beneficiary of the WSO forums. I'm a college senior/incoming banking analyst and would like to estimate a typical "VP" carry and coinvest package for a typical middle market PE firm for one of my classes. All illustrative, and I'm familiar with the general concepts and have talked to a few PE professionals about structuring, but it would be really helpful if you could all opine on the example I have included below and let me know if it looks correct, and/or what assumptions I should change. Sorry if any of this has been covered in other threads, but I couldn't find answers to this specific example/my questions.
The things I am most unclear on are:
- I have heard fund coinvestments described as "fee free carry" - what does that mean? If there are no fees on the VP's committed coinvestment, do they just pay capital gains taxes on profits from their coinvest? (assumes carry and coinvestment profits are paid on a fund basis, not a deal basis)
- I really don't know what fees the investment professional would pay on their gross carry distributions...5%? Let me know what is the typical range here
- I have the carry taxed at 30% in case the capital gains treatment for carried interest changes
- Is the gross coinvestment return being calculated correctly? 2.2x (the estimated gross fund return) multiplied by coinvestment principal invested
- Let's say the investment professional leaves after 3 years when their carry is 40% vested (conservative estimate) and their personal coinvestment is 75% invested, as in the example below. 1) do they have the opportunity usually to invest the other 25% of their coinvest after they leave? If not, can they keep the profit from the 75% they invested? And of course, they keep the % of their carry that is vested?
- Depending on the assumptions, this could really be a lot of money...like if they have a bigger coinvest and the fund does very well (3x gross), over $1 million in post-tax profit to the VP, even if they leave in 3 years and get a fraction of their carry...is that right?
- Overall does the example below look structurally correct?
Thank you very much for the help here!
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