@DickFuld" can attest to this truly inspirational quote:
I want to reach in, rip out their heart and eat it before they die.
Japanese businessmen schooled Larry Ellison on competition by saying that the Japanese view competition as:
Other people trying to steal the rice from the bowls of their grandchildren.
In the movie The Founder, Ray Kroc was quoted saying:
If any of my competitors were drowning, I'd stick a hose in their mouth and turn on the water. It is ridiculous to call this an industry. This is not. This is rat eat rat, dog eat dog. I'll kill 'em, and I'm going to kill 'em before they kill me. You're talking about the American way – of survival of the fittest.
Powerful stuff. However, before you get too excited, how many of you actually walk the walk?
I'm aggressive. Headhunters tell me this and every single interviewer and most of these cats make a living busting their balls getting commission.
Lunch always tastes better when I eat someone else's. Cannot count how many times I've roasted people with professionalism and tact in the military regardless of their age, rank, or experience. It is to me pure fun and entertainment. The funny thing is, the most of the people I've killed end up being good friends and laugh about how we used that as a meaningful way to mutually bond and grow professionally.
Just how aggressive are you when you need to be and how have you outwitted your competition?
Cuss and discuss, let's go ladies and gents!
I live by the motto "what's mine is mine, and what is yours is mine."
^^ My ex used to say the same thing...
+1 SB for you.
That comment reminds me of my ex as well.
Your friends is mines also, right? Sell thru and grab her friends numbers as well and back burner them in case front candidate fails, lol.
Are you sure it wasn't "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is also mine?"
Fitting..for a woman.
Fuck yeah!
In my university there is only one equity club. To make it in, you had to learn and present a stock pitch in partners. There were 34 applicants and only 5 were to be accepted. To secure my position, I worked ahead of schedule and completed my teams stock pitch earlier than my team had planned. When we presented it, I came off as a much better candidate due to finishing my parts earlier than my partner. Life doesn't follow a schedule.
This club sounds lame as shit. Good on you for outworking your competition, it's a great lesson to learn.
It is lame, but sadly it's the only finance-related club on my campus. Thanks, that partner of mine ended up blocking me on all social media after that.
Locker room scene from WallSt. Competition is competition. Winning is winning.
"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate."
...or as Notorious said more succinctly "Move in silence and violence."
All warfare is based upon deception.
Classic Sun Tzu..Can never go wrong with following him
Dude I swear you are Asian. 23 and me yet?
That's funny. I'm Spanish, Mexican and native American with a natural affinity towards far east philosophies.
meant as a DM, delete
It's a doggy dog world out there
We should do a WSO reading of WallSt. Anyone up for the challenge?
Quotes from the movie are golden and in and of itself qualifies as memes for 'Millionaire Mindset' for years to come!
I want others to do well, especially the people I like. That's why I spend so much time on this forum coaching kids for free, for example. But I am also very ambitious - I did not come from money, and ever since I was a kid I was hungry for wealth (especially because I had rich childhood friends and I envied what they had).
I hate direct confrontation (although I have resorted to violence when assholes fuck with me at bars, etc). I much prefer the long, Machiavellian chess game of politics and espionage. I am very good at reading people and saying what they want to hear. When people have fucked me in the past, I have gone to great lengths to get back at them.
I'll give you an example:
Back when I was a senior in college, this sophomore on the basketball team had humiliated me in public settings, talked shit behind my back, and at one point purposefully tripped me in a bar (I busted my lip pretty badly). Now, I'm not a small dude and I know how to fight, but this kid was a massive varsity athlete and I don't go into battle unless I know I can win. Now we were both taking the same class (some elective outside my major) and as luck would have it we were assigned to a group project together. His grades sucked and he knew I was breezing through the class, so he comes up to me and apologizes for our "previous misunderstandings" and offers to start over from scratch. I was nice to him, we shook hands, and over the next week I did everything I could to gain his trust and act like I was his friend. I offered to do the bulk of the work on the group project and gave him a USB drive with the work product for him to finish off.
What he didn't know is that one of the files was a stealth keylogger disguised as a normal file - it auto-installed into his PC and emailed the log files every few hours (to a dummy email address I had created). After a couple of days I now had access to all of his passwords and had a wealth of personal info on the guy. Now, I did not raid his bank account or do anything that extreme, but I did log into his Facebook and discovered quite a few nuggets of information, including:
Now, I am tough, but fair. I had no desire to see this kid kicked out of university or of ruining his athletic scholarship for the drugs or exam cheating, since his transgressions against me had not reached that level yet. I kept these cards in my back pocket, and began to monitor his chats with his gf and the women he was fucking on the side. A full two weeks go by and an opportunity came up - his gf wanted to come over and study at his place, but he told her he would be at some athletic fundraiser event all night. I knew this was a lie because he had invited one of his hookups over to his place through FB that same night. So I parked down the street from him and, a few minutes before the hookup was due to show up, logged into his FB and messaged his girlfriend that the athletic event had ended early and she should come over right away. This was a bit of a gamble, but it worked out beautifully - girlfriend shows up, sees another car in the driveway (clearly a woman's by the way it looked), and a shitshow ensued. There was a scandalous scene outside his house (he lived by himself in a townhouse his parents owned). This guy's reputation took a massive hit and both women were outraged by his deception. He then realized his FB had been hacked and someone was manipulating him, but he never figured out that a keylogger had been installed. I disabled it remotely just to be safe, but not before I sniffing out his new FB password.
The funny thing is, he continued to be nice to me after this ordeal. I felt a tiny bit of remorse because this dude clearly had a rough time with the breakup and could not figure out who had fucked him over, but that quickly went away when I remembered all the times he had been a dick to me. I graduated soon afterwards and went on my merry way; haven't spoken to the dude since.
Wow, keyloggers and all. Have you considered working for the CIA?
Yes, but I'm not a natural born citizen so I doubt I even could if I tried. I heard the pay is shit and the work is not as sexy as it sounds, though, unless you work your way into the top echelons of the organization. A friend of mine went to work for them (he thought he was interviewing for a job with a F100 company until later in the process when they revealed themselves) ended up quitting after 4 years and now works at a major activist hedge fund doing research on the shady practices of certain companies.
How did you get enjoyment out of that revenge since the guy did not know it was you?
That's exactly why I enjoyed that revenge - I prefer to be the puppet master pulling the strings anonymously. That's just my personality. Besides, I don't want my enemies to know what I've done to them, as that would only invite them to plot against me in the future.
Makes no difference. He went American Sniper Hero on that guy.
Holy shit you're a fucking sociopath. Not to mention you committed a felony. It's crazy that this forum has so many people are giving you props for this. Seriously bro, you need help.
Agreed, as much as I appreciate the idea of a good revenge story, installing a keylogger onto someone's computer is some very serious shit.
This was over 5 years ago, and therefore outside the statue of limitations period for this class of felony in my state, which is why I can talk about it. I was a dumb college student at the time, and I wouldn't do something like this again.
Besides, this guy had it coming. He was eventually expelled for beating a different girlfriend at a party. I would never do something like this for personal gain, it was only because he was a real piece of shit.
Dude I feel the same way about people who screw me, I never forget
But this is some next level sociopath stuff if real...
Was it just morals keeping you from going deeper on him or would that have been riskier to you?
This is beautiful.
What was the old saying? Keep your friends close, your enemies closer?
This is like a work of Picasso in my bingo book. You are the type of guy I don't want to meet in a dark alley.
Dear God. You terrify me.
I have a burning desire to make it in this world and become financially independent and free ASAP. I don’t care what I have to do to get there. But I have no desire to win at anything. I’m almost entirely internally motivated.
GoldenCinderblock, good energy. PMed.
Reminds me of the duality of sports like running. On the one hand, you are trying to beat others during a race. On the other hand, you are trying to beat yourself by beating your own performance. What you describe reminds me of the latter.
I would eat your fat Mom's stinky twat to win, if that's what it takes. Even if it was just a game of Tiddlywinks. You could imagine what I would do if it was something important.
My profession is zero sum.
Blood makes the grass grow!
Interesting write up. Found this thought provoking, in the sense it relates to the saying nice guys finish last which begs the question, what is a nice guy?
At school some teachers have called me cut throat and have called me overly competitive and aggressive. However I do get a lot of compliments from some of my peers about how I say what I think (which is usually calling out the teachers for the political correct agenda). I take pride in what my teachers label me as I know I have to be all of those to have a good career in high Finance.
almost everyone in this thread seems like a massive asshole with a hidden inferiority complex
most profound thing my boss ever told me: "I don't wake up every morning and do this because it's good for my health, it's because we all have huge inferiority complexes that we have to prove ourselves to everyone else"
i can't tell if people are joking, but if not this is sort of intimidating. i guess i must've mellowed out since getting to college, but i'm not really that concerned with beating everyone else around me like this anymore. working hard and producing good work is all i'm really concerned about as far as work goes.
Then you should be fine... it's really the minority of people that are constantly out to screw others, and it usually comes back to bite them in the end. A few of them will be cunning enough to make MD, and these are the guys you need to watch out for. But generally speaking, doing good work and being well liked is a good MO to succeed in this industry. Most politics comes down to not pissing off the wrong person.
32 years old here with 10 years in banking. I don't believe in that. I just really want my clients to be happy and my firm to do well. I don't see my competition as a threat and don't have that scarcity mentality as well. I believe that if you 1) build a good team based on trust and good KPIs, 2) constantly try to listen to clients' need and deliver 100% of what you promise [no need to under-promise and over-deliver scheme], and 3) be an industry leader via building consensus within the industry [mentor and coach next generation of leaders] and good reputation [fair, agreeable, easy to work with, smart guy, ethical], I think that is how you succeed in the long run. I want to constantly win in the next 20 years so short term wins (1-2 years) don't excite me that much.
No way... The Samurai has surrendered his Katana...
Naa, the samurai were honor-bound. The Ninja has surrendered his tanto. That was bound to happen once he got relocated to Tokyo Central Securities (a subsidiary of Tokyo-Chuo Banking Corporation), which is sorta BO.
I'm sure ArcherVice is doing everything he can to contain himself from SWOing on y'all or maybe he was a bubble head.
When you got no enemies to fight, you fight amongst yourselves. Navy was all psychological warfare and I learned from the best and the most twisted people. It's good stuff! Comes in handy when others in the regular world doesn't know how to defend against it. It's also funny to setup traps for your teachers of this and to dominate them at the game they've taught you!
Take a deep breath there and stop setting all those traps.
Read Jocko Willink's Extreme Ownership and Ken Marlin's The Marine Corps Way to Win on Wall Street which are some of the books I recommend. Life is not at all about punching and kicking others in their face.
Life is more about struggling with yourself, perfecting yourself and mastering your emotions. Once you have achieved emotional mastery, resilience and control, then and only then you can talk about winning fights with others.
What's it like being a sadistic sociopath?
Profitable. I'll tell you more but that requires you to enlist in the Military and learn how to give and sacrifice instead of taking all the time in that comfortable office chair of yours.
after reading this thread, I fear for the future of WSO...
I am still sort of new to posting on these forums of WSO, and thoroughly enjoyed the time. This is the epitome of it thus far.
Exactly why I took up boxing. I can beat the anger out and form some serious muscles. The guys that used to pick on me, are fearful and respectful of me.
You learn a few a parlor tricks when you are engineering from a supportive standpoint in IT and Development Engineering. I did promise them that I would be a good monkey under contract, but now that I am not, no need to, right?
To answer your question, OP, I would rip out the hearts of those who crossed me the wrong way and feed it to the dogs. I take no prisoners.
I sat there a long time, and thought about a lot of things. Foremost among them was the suspicion that my strange and ungovernable instincts might do me in before I had a chance to get rich. No matter how much I wanted all those things that I needed money to buy, there was some devilish current pushing me off in another direction—toward anarchy and poverty and craziness. That maddening delusion that a man can lead a decent life without hiring himself out as a Judas Goat.
Poetic and succinct. Like it!
This thread, lol. What a bunch of sophomoric, aspirational circle jerking.
"I'm such a badass, I'll eat your lunch and I LOVE doing it"
We get it bro, you're a try hard. Has it crossed your mind that your actual competitive skills have zero to do with all this self flattering masturbatory drivel? Meaning that you can be a nice guy and also enjoy/succeed at competition?
Those of you nodding your head with OP are defective links in the great chain of humanity. Looking forward to the day when I get to break you and hand your job to someone who's less of a pain in the ass.
Interesting thread.
Personally I don't mind helping competition / colleagues going after the same pool of money / people seeking for help in general at all. In fact, I actually like that. Not only is it good nature and fun, but at least some of the people you help are tempted to repay the favor at some point down the line even if you don't directly ask for it. Others, naturally, will be very self-centered and never speak to you again after getting what they want, but these people don't tend to go very far anyway. The reasoning is quite simple, even though the field that I work in is a zero sum game, my "edge" (or whatever you want to call it) cannot be distilled to a single magical technique that I have to protect for dear life, there's no patent / easy-win formula. Even if I'd tell someone exactly what I'm doing, it's very difficult to replicate since it largely revolves around hard work and actually being excited about taking the analysis / reasoning a step further whilst being patient and not rushing things through because everyone else is doing it.
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