How Many Hours Do You Sleep? Substances to Stay Awake?

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As the title says, how many hours of sleep do you guys in finance usually get a night. The stigma around the crazy hours is known but how many hours of sleep do you need to function properly.

Everybody has seen Wolf of Wall Street, but how true is it actually, do you really need anything to keep you awake and clued in for 12-16 hours a day if you are getting less than 6 hours of Z's per night? Do you just pop caffeine pills or are you guys on something, because it's crazy how many hours you work.

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Oct 29, 2018

My hours are not as crazy as IB but between work / studying I'm at the office from about 7:30 - 8am until about 9pm most days. Go home, cook, workout (if I skipped out in the morning) and go to sleep by about 11ish. I'm generally up at 5am so I average about 6 hours of sleep, closer to 7.5 on weekends.

I'd say you should try to function on 6 to 8 hours of sleep. Obviously there are nights where I only get 4 to 5 hours of sleep. Caffeine, A LOT of water, and eating clean definitely help with my ongoing ability to tough-out the minimal sleep weeks when they come around.

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Oct 29, 2018

How are you able to wait until 9:00 PM to have dinner?

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Oct 29, 2018

I go home and cook / meal prep lunches and dinners for the following day. If I'm lazy or forget to then I'll usually have snacks / oatmeal / protein shake at work for dinner (lunch can always be bought).

I'm cutting weight right now so a missed dinner here or there will only help.

Oct 30, 2018

9:00 isn't that late for me lol, tbh I literally never eat before 9:00 because I eat a big lunch at round 2/3

Oct 30, 2018

I wait until 1:00 AM sometimes

Nov 3, 2018

in the office by 7:30 and leave at 9, and you dont think thats bad?

Nov 4, 2018

Well generally I take until 8:30 to 9ish to do my own shit. Read, study, catch up on emails, etc. I tend to uave a full 45 minute to 1 hour lunch, and finish up working by 6 to 6:30. Take a 30 minute break until 6:30 to 7 and then study for 2 hours until 9. This timeline gets pushed up if I finish the days work by 5pm. Either ill go home earlier or study longer. I just do it at work because I have a lot of desk space / 3 monitors / minimal distractions.

Oct 29, 2018

I probably average 5 a night. A mix of typically 6 hours with one or two nights of 4 or less weekly. I don't do anything beyond coffee and standing up and walking around when I can. Anxiety keeps me going.

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Oct 29, 2018

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Oct 29, 2018

Well, the answer I would give my mother would be 8 hours of sleep and eating healthy.

Real answer? I wake up at 6 and pop an adderall then cruise until 11am. I take another around 12 which keeps the wheels turning until about 8 or 9pm. I am perscribed and do not abuse it. It has proven effective for me on the focus and stamina front.

"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" - Samuel Johnson

Oct 29, 2018

4 a night. I just listen to old British comedy to avoid falling asleep.

Cash and cash equivalents: $138,311
Financial instruments and other inventory positions owned: $448,166

Oct 30, 2018

6

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.

Oct 30, 2018

6-7, If I'm having trouble sleeping I'll crank 1-2 times

Nov 1, 2018

5-6 hours

Nov 1, 2018

Currently, about 6 to 7 hours - maybe 8 if i'm burnt out on a weekend. Try to keep it pretty consistent since, otherwise, at this point i'll turn into a total headcase if i don't.

The only thing I take is coffee at this point - and even that I've been trying with varying levels of success to cut back on - same with alcohol. In my experience, most folks are doing 'substances' to blow off steam not to actually be wired in working 16 hours (though i'm sure it goes on, and i'm just not exposed to it).

I think the real challenge comes in when you aren't able to moderate your lifestyle and/or you are in a group/firm/situation where the workload and, really most importantly, timing of the work are highly volatile - that, to me, is when you end up really leaning on something to help manage it. Fortunately, I'm able to avoid most of that except for the occasional bouts of travel which then blows a hole in all of the above.

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Nov 1, 2018

I'm super jealous of everyone saying 5-7 hrs. Anything below 8 for more than a few days in a row and I start to feel really run down and sick. I eat well, exercise, etc. but still need those 8 hours. Just a sleepy guy I guess.

Nov 6, 2018

I'm right there with you. If I get less than 8 hrs I feel like shit.

Nov 7, 2018

Nice to know I'm not alone. This coupled with the fact that I'm not a natural morning person zzz

Nov 1, 2018

Can't seem to do 5-6, need way more. Not sure why.

I'm at 7.5-8 but struggling with that. Weekends, 10 easy.

Nov 1, 2018

I usually get between 5-7 during weekdays, sometimes a little more friday-saturday-sunday but definitely not always. Some weeks I've gotten less sleep on the weekends than during the week. The occasional all nighter slips its way into the equation as well.

I use caffeine pills and a lot of coffee. Also take protein shakes in the morning.

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Nov 1, 2018

https://ouraring.com/find-your-own-circadian-rhythm/ http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/interactive/ci...

circadian rhythm/sleep cycle is key. yours may be very different, but this has made a dramatic difference in my sleep quality. here's how it is, your body goes through cycles of light, REM, deep sleep and cycles through them over a certain interval. if you constantly feel groggy and you're in shape, low stress, and eat well, you may be waking up in the middle of REM/deep sleep because you're not getting your sleep cycle in tune.

couple of things I've done that have helped a lot

  1. stay in shape - so many benefits, but sleep is one of them. plus most muscle repair happens while asleep, GAINZ
  2. limited/no screen time immediately before bed. I'm guilty of it sometimes but when I'm screen free I sleep better
  3. regardless of the time you wake up and go to bed, have your sleep duration be an integer of sleep cycles. e.g.: your cycle is 90 minutes (there are tools to help you find it), go to sleep for either 6, 7.5, or 9 hours each night. if you need to be up at 6, don't go to sleep at 11:30 (or just adjust your alarm). in my case, 90 minutes is my cycle. 7.5 hrs feels better than 8 and 6 feels better than 6.5, it's crazy but it's true. if you wake up in the middle of a cycle, you're fucked.
  4. limit substances - I don't do this (duh, I party), but I've heard it helps. I guess if you're a nerd you could stop drinking and toking, but then you're well rested and boring, so what's the point?
  5. environment - keep the room cool, it smelling good, and organized. if I have things I need to put away, gym clothes that smell, etc., I can't relax. my wife does candles and essential oil shit and that makes it all the more relaxing.

as for staying awake: stay in shape, stay hydrated, start your day with protein not carbs (early AM sugar spike is a recipe for passing out on your morning con call), and drink coffee. if you take coffee black, it has more benefits than potential harm

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Nov 1, 2018

I find that lunch carbs are worse than morning carbs.

I'm wired from waking up until 2 in the afternoon though, so could just be my circadian rhythm.

Nov 1, 2018

all of the strength coaches who knew shit about nutrition basically say if you're going to eat carbs keep it in the evening, you don't want a sugar spike and crash during the day, you want to crash when you're trying to ptfo. maybe that was because I've always worked out at night, but it seems to work for me.

also, you deadlift, that's probably why you have energy. there's a 1:1 swole:energy ratio

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Nov 1, 2018

Around 5-6 hours usually. I wake up around 2:30am. Get to the office half an hour or so before the London market opens. After London market closes, then I have conference calls with the sell-side along with meetings with my fellow PMs. Get out around 4;30-5pm and hit the gym right away. Mostly I'll head straight back home to cook and then go to bed at 8:30-9pm. However, my schedule deviates from that about once or twice a week, when I gotta meet with salespeople for drinks/food.

Nov 2, 2018

About 6h on weekdays, a bit more on weekends. I wake up at 5am, reach the office by 6am, typically get out by 6-6:30pm, get home by 7-7:30pm, take care of my kids until bed-time by 8:30ish, then get to relax for roughly two hours before falling asleep or put in a few extra hours or so of work. Bed by 10ish usually, fall asleep relatively quickly but usually lose 30 mins of sleep during the night cause the kids wake up crying. No coffee here, gives me headaches.

Nov 2, 2018

7-8. Can't really function well on much less than 7 and I always shoot for 8-8.5.

Nov 2, 2018

I try to sleep 7-8 hours..

Nov 2, 2018

I try to get around 6-7 most nights. Get to the office around 7 and leave around 6:00. Normally get a workout or run in then dinner. Just lots of coffee, EDM, and moving around when I can at work.

Nov 4, 2018

5-8 hours depending on what the prior day was like. I'll work anywhere between 9 and 16 hours depending on my pipeline and forecast.

12 hour extended release Adderall to keep me sharp throughout the day, off label beta blockers to mellow me out when speaking with customers & caffine periodically throughout the day.

Nov 6, 2018

4 Hours.
It sucked and even took a while to get used to, but now my awake:sleep ratio is godly

Nov 6, 2018

I recently listened to a JRE podcast with Matthew Walker and it dramatically changed the way I think about sleep. This guy is an expert in neuroscience and he's devoted his career to researching sleep. It's a pretty lengthy podcast but I would highly recommend giving the episode a listen if you have time.

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Nov 6, 2018

Mind giving us a TLDL of what the basic premise was that changed the way you think about sleep?

Nov 6, 2018
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