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This is while in one of the top 10 states with the highest total # of infections for context.
Had been intermittently going to my office every week since June but stopped as of last month to take advantage of WFH flexibility. Going to MMA gym grappling 7-8x a week and no one but the parents from the kid's classes is wearing masks, we're regularly sweating and breathing all up in each other's faces. Not a single person has gotten sick and there's easily >100 different adults ranging from cops, white collar, and blue collar workers coming to these classes throughout the week. Probably because everyone is in decently good shape and actually takes care of themselves. 2-3x a month I'm going to a bar or going out on boats with friends, and earlier this month I flew to Boston to visit another friend. Have been completely fine, this virus is weak sauce with it's sub 1% fatality rate for literally anyone under what, 65? I say we let it clean out society of the sick and unhealthy who can't handle themselves and let the rest of us move on already for fuck's sake, stop hamstringing natural selection trying to do us a favor .
This guy fucks
You’ve rendered me speechless, good job. That is a truly vile worldview you’ve got there and Lord knows how many people you’ve unknowingly harmed along the way.
I’m not one bit surprised that you are stuck in Corp Dev yet flexing on a finance forum. Trash through and through.
Stuck in CorpDev? You sound super bitter guy, almost like IB is the only measuring stick you have to cling to for meaning. Did it ever occur to you some people choose this route over IB deliberately because we think there's more to life than working in an office 80+ hours a week as a ppt/excel monkey for "prestige" that literally no one outside of finance gives a fuck about? Your dick must get really hard over disparaging CorpDev people though so I won't begrudge you, I'm sure your corporate clients were big meanies during your analyst years dropping late Friday night requests on your team. You've earned my pity.
A vile worldview you say? So, in your opinion, it makes more sense to care for people who are so old or unhealthy to the point they can be wiped out by a germ that literally 99% of the population can shrug off like the common cold but NOT to care for society at large. It makes more sense to enforce lockdowns that will kneecap the world economy and indirectly cause more death and suffering than the virus itself could ever hope to directly cause. It makes more sense for people to be locked inside resulting in skyrocketing suicides, domestic & sexual abuse, young children losing out on crucial early social development, and massive declines in mental health across the population. Correct me if I'm misidentifying your stance, please.
It doesn't make even slightly more sense for those old/unhealthy people to suck it the fuck up to manage themselves since they're y'know, adults, and either self isolate or (for the obese folks at least) take the steps to get healthier? It's not like we live in a modern day and age where you don't need to leave your house to get literally anything you could possibly need delivered to your front door. The notion that we should attempt to save "every life" is so childish it's comical, but this is what happens when as a society we've coddled the stupid and taught to the lowest common denominator. If that were really the case then all speed limits should be <10 mph and no one should ever be allowed outside to make decisions for themselves because if you think otherwise YOU JUST WANT PEOPLE TO DIE AND YOU'RE A MONSTER.
Frankly, I'm astounded by how such a short-sighted worldview even makes it this far, but here you are taking a "morally superior" stance while simultaneously taking cheap pot shots at another person's profession. Gold star for trying though, at least you get paid well for all those extra hours right? Enjoy your late night checking the analyst's work on those appendices no one is going to read. I think I'll take my work to the beach and enjoy a margarita while watching the rest of the world continue to lose its collective marbles over a fatal case of the geriatric sniffles. Kudos
Idk about you but some people have older family members they actually care about
Idk about you but I'm not so pompous to demand that the rest of the world adjust its operations based on what I need and care about because I'm not an immature child. I understand where you're coming from but that's a shit argument for restricting what other people can and can't do. A great comparison would be just because someone's kid has a peanut allergy doesn't mean the rest of the world suddenly needs to stop eating peanuts to accommodate them. That kid's parents need to make sure they carry around an EpiPen, make an effort to run point to prevent the kid from coming into contact with peanuts, and educate both the kid and themselves how best to deal to the world around them with that allergy in mind.
The impetus is on YOU to bend and adapt to the rest of the world based on YOUR needs, not the other way around. Feel free to lock yourself inside with those older family members and keep them safe, no one is denying you that right. There are also some people who don't live with older/sick people and have lives we'd like to live unencumbered by individuals we neither know nor care about, especially when this virus poses almost 0 threat to me or anyone in my social circle with whom I interact with. If any of them have older/sick folks to think about, then they can stay home too. My freedoms don't get to be restricted just because some other person can't be bothered to look after themselves or the people in their lives. I've got no problems wearing a mask when a private business requests it, that's their prerogative, but dictating how I have to behave in a public space or on my own private property (aside from not allowing me to physically harm other people, obviously) is bullshit. Go move to China or the EU if you place so little value on individual liberties like freedom.
I am going to see my dad for the first time in six months this weekend. He is older and is probably more concerned about COVID than the average person. We will meet outside and I do not plan on wearing a mask. I may ask him before hand to see if he wants me to wear a mask. If he would prefer I wear a mask, of course, I would put one on.
That's why you're in corpdev
Again, you IBers say that like it means something.
Living in the fraternity house so its about the same as any other semester
Yes
Live in a state that has been generally regarded as handling Covid-19 well. Have been socializing since restrictions have loosened and ever prior.
I think the most important thing that people should look at (as said by another user, but in a bit of a barbaric way....) is the your personal risk. In many cases, young healthy people under the age of 40 do not have much to worry about. Yes, we do not know the long term affects, but we can't go on forever in lockdown. I try to look at things as objectively as possible and I just don't see the evidence that I have any statistically significant risk of fatality that would warrant me changing my life. Have around 20 or so friends who have tested positive, majority of them had mild symptoms and the 1 or 2 who had more severe ones did not seem to think that it was any different than a bad bout of the flu.
My philosophy throughout all of this has been to control the controllables... meaning that we should wear mask, social distance when possible, and protect those most vulnerable. Beyond that I think that the lockdowns have caused irreparable damage that will impact the lower / middle class forever.
CA.. have been going to gym 5-6x / week since they opened a couple months ago. Outdoors and shaded, so thats been nice apart from the smoke. Have only done bars in small groups a few times.. here you have to order food so its not a typical bar scene by any stretch of the imagination. Have a small group of friends 5-7 of us that get together 1-2x / month. Have certainly limited bars, festivals, and stuff like that this summer.. but other activities such as hiking, golf and boating have increased in frequency.
I'm in one of those weird areas where 9 out of 10 people walking down the street are fully masked, despite the fact that there is no evidence that C19 is spread by momentarily passing people outside. I take late night walks around midnight and 1 am often, and I will almost always see other people taking their walks fully masked. I find it beyond shocking. I don't understand what media these people are consuming that would give them the impression that wearing a mask by yourself on the street corner at 1 am is of any benefit.
I wear a mask when I go inside stores because I respect the right of stores to set their own policies and I don't want to get into a mask fight that is put up on social media. It's not worth it. But I refuse to wear a mask while walking down the street. So far, no one has hassled me about that, which I'm surprised about.
i don't wear mine while walking down the street but don't judge those who do
it's probably "if i have to put one on when i walk in the store might as well put it on when i leave the house instead" which is reasonable imo
wearing it for a midnight walk is ridiculous, agreed
Do you live in a city? I live in the suburbs and most people do not wear a mask when walking in the street, including me. However, when I go to a nearby town like Princeton, NJ, the majority of people are wearing masks while walking in the street. You almost feel pressure to put your mask on but no one says anything if you do not have a mask on. I think there are two factors here: political leanings of a town and population density.
I live in an urbanized suburb of D.C.
I mean you're within the health guidelines if you stay at least 6 ft away from other people outdoors (that's the policy at my college for example) but I don't see a reason to be mad at someone who's wearing one. Most people are just trying to make those around them feel safer and aren't trying to shame anyone into wearing a mask (which is probably why no one has confronted you). Half the world was wearing masks before the covid crisis anyway (for pretty different reasons albeit)...
I think it's ridiculous to behave like we live in a dystopian future based on absolutely no scientific basis. I'm not going to shame people, but I'm certainly not going to say that I respect their behavior.
Generally have kept to socializing with the same group of people over the past few months, including family. Have been respectful of eating out, generally either outside or inside where allowed... although, to be honest, most places I've been to are so empty you might as well be in your own dining room most of the time. Probably have eaten inside a place only a handful of times. Otherwise have stuck to outside activities - golf, etc. Have been respectful of masking policies of various establishments - and have been to a variety of states during the past few months. Generally I've found, at least anecdotally, people generally monitor themselves pretty well or are mindful of symptoms, etc.
Haven't been back to a gym - don't plan to, honestly. Not due to COVID... but just simply have found that working out at home more enjoyable, easier to be consistent, etc.
Outside of that what is fascinating is the spectrum of opinions within my own social group. My parents might as well think COVID is a hoax - to some friends and co-workers who think that a full shut down, in the fall, is the only answer and anything else is signing off on genocide. It's... discomforting, frankly.
Side note - I also flew during the pandemic. It was actually... quite nice. Almost as it should be to be honest. Boarding actually made sense - by row, starting at the back. Nice service too - simply a plastic bag with water, cookies, hand sanitizer.. pretzels. One time was almonds. This was on Delta - who, obviously, has tried to keep a high level of service through this to keep business travelers. Didn't feel unsafe. Things were pretty... normal. TSA was far better as well. If only we could pull this off without $30 billion dollar bailouts.
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With you on the flying experience being overall better, have also flown Delta recently. Much smoother and cheaper, hopefully it stays this way after we get rid of the mask silliness but I won't hold my breath.
Haven’t talked to anyone outside of my family face to face for the past 6 months.
Jeez
I have even done more than that. I have entertained friends at my home but outside. I have also met with friends outdoors. I had to convince a client to meet online instead of face to face indoors. I do not know where he has been and whether or not he has been exposed to COVID.
Just graduated and started wfh, but since i’m living with my parents I’ve decided I can’t really take that big of a risk... gone out to eat with a few friends a couple of times but that’s about it.
I am socializing outdoors but practicing distancing at the same time. I am not doing any socializing indoors.
It's definitely well within people's rights to follow the minimum guidelines of their local law with respect to mask wearing. But based on the responses and attitude of people I have interacted with thus far, I think I'll stay WFH as long as humanly possible given the level of public health irresponsibility. If my company tries to force me back into the office while you guys are all out socializing maskless, I'll just stay put and log in remotely. Taking care of my own health and my family's health is my own responsibility, right?
Sounds like you get it. Not like there's anything wrong with WFH in the first place, just bang out what's needed and you can spend more time with family/friends who are also socially distanced if that's what matters most to you. With your phone and a laptop nearby there's really nothing that can't be done at home vs the office other than casual discussions w/ nearby coworkers.
Yep, plus all client interaction is virtual for the foreseeable future, so there is no pressure to get on a plane right now. Someone else pointed this out on a different thread but it's also a prime time to recruit long-distance since you don't have to do that in person.
Any of you guys getting poon?
Tinder and Bumble are highly active...
My school is oddly enough doing really well in terms of virus cases compared to any similarly sized school that also brought their kids back on campus. I'm mainly just hanging around with the friends I'm in a suite with and their friends who live in the building. If I was living with people I didn't know, it would have sucked because you aren't allowed to go to residential buildings that you aren't living in (people do skirt this rule however). Most optimal situation would still have been if I was living off campus this year however. There was a bar that was letting crowds of students in at the beginning of the semester but they've mainly cracked down on that. I'm just amazed and a bit impressed that my school has only about 40 positive cases including positives that were found during the move in testing while many similarly sized schools already have thousands of cases.
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