How non-target are you?

I know there have been other posts that are somewhat related to this but I wanted to hear about some random schools that my fellow non-target monkeys who broke into the industry went to.

I'll start: University of Vermont - 2.9 GPA

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Sep 10, 2021 - 5:51pm

Curious what the typical job is for a finance grad out of Bama. Seems like not much in the state except for the very small scene in Birmingham with regards to finance.


  • Intern in HF - EquityHedge
Sep 10, 2021 - 6:16pm

Culverhouse Investment Management Group as well as the Investment Banking academy are great. They have sent a surprising amount of kids to (GS, JPM), HL seems to have a a decent amount and even some MM HF's lately. You can look on the respective club's website to see placement.

However, I notice a LARGE majority of business/finance majors pursuing real estate or financial planning/advisory.

Sep 10, 2021 - 7:37pm

Saw Dak Prescott and Mississippi State play vs. Bama at Bryant-Denny. What an experience

Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career.
Sep 9, 2021 - 4:13pm

I was born there in Oxford.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

  • Analyst 2 in ER
Sep 13, 2021 - 6:02pm

Also went to the zoo and did trading out of undergrad a few years ago. It seems they have decent placement into FO roles now 

  • Analyst 2 in ER
Sep 13, 2021 - 9:56pm

Both are good - it doesn't matter too much. I know kids who weren't in any fund and still got placed. It provides networking opportunities more than anything 

Sep 9, 2021 - 5:34pm

OP, do you consider the University of Vermont - Honors College to be non target?  I know someone who was super smart in high school but did not get into any of her target schools so that is where she is going.  

  • Analyst 2 in IB-M&A
Sep 14, 2021 - 11:30am

OP here - not sure if the honors college makes a difference but one thing I will say is that not a lot of business students want to go into financial services so at least you're not competing against a ton of peers from the same school. I'd tell her to rely on the professors because a lot of them have industry expertise. I know for a fact that people get BB offers but idk if it's like 1 per year or 10 per year (I've been out of school for a while). Feel free to DM me and I can mention one professor by name who was instrumental for me.

  • Developer in RE - Res
Sep 9, 2021 - 5:38pm

B.S. George Washington University, kinda low GPA at 3.3 though it's good for mechanical engineering. 

MBA T15 and no one cares about GPA. 

Sep 10, 2021 - 5:44pm

Which city did you place in?

If Dallas, TCU is not a non-target...


Sep 10, 2021 - 4:12am

Good GPA and good school, but I had no internships and wanted to live/work in a different country. That worked out in the end, but it was pretty difficult.

Sep 10, 2021 - 10:24am

Undergrad: Samford - 2.55 GPA

Currently in my state school, part-time MBA - 3.5 GPA (should have at least a 3.6 by the end of the program)

I didn't give a shit in undergrad, but I locked down an associate role starting next summer.

  • VP in IB - CB
Sep 10, 2021 - 10:26am

That's awesome, congrats. How did you get into an MBA program with a 2.55 GPA? Strong GMAT? 

Sep 10, 2021 - 10:31am

Thanks! Believe it or not, I actually didn't take a test like the GMAT or GRE (I swear this is a respectable MBA program). I actually wrote a letter explaining my readiness for the program and the admissions director ended up calling me in to interview me. I was accepted the following day, so it must have gone well. 

I had good explanations for my GPA, and had a solid resume. Poor grades, but showed that I had been given a ton of increasing responsibility in a short amount of time in my company. I had to obviously work my ass off to overcome my immaturity and lack of focus in undergrad.

  • Associate 1 in IB - DCM
Sep 10, 2021 - 1:29pm

University at Buffalo - 3.4 gpa

Just have to get a foot in the door. After that, college / gpa disappear

Sep 10, 2021 - 5:48pm

I think it's a bit complicated. In theory ND, Fordham, BYU are nontargets if we apply the OCR criterion to define target/semi/non, but alum pull way harder for each other at these schools so if you're decent at networking your chances rise compared to a typical non-target. 


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Sep 10, 2021 - 7:38pm

UMass Lowell - 3.2

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Sep 11, 2021 - 2:43am

University of Hawaii and started career in San Francisco.  I moved to the Bay Area with three other guys from UH:

- IBD at Merrill (I'm showing my age), now makes bank in Big Tech

- Law School, now a partner in Big Law

- Software Engineer now in Hong Kong in Quantitive Trading 

Subsequent waves of friends/alumni still live or passed through SF and living a good life more or less.  This non-target moniker is only for a select few roles - which fortunately I never felt I was out of the game because of school (real estate industry).  

I always thought there's talent in Hawaii. It's a place people gravitate to or stay by choice or don't know the outside.  The place becomes a part of you and shapes your worldview, and you can build (or rebuild) your identity around the place, even if you are not originally from there.

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Sep 11, 2021 - 10:05am

I do miss it.  But I also know part of my fuzzy feelings are part of my fond memories almost a couple decades ago.  That being a tourist when I visit is different than actually living there.  Case in point, when my wife and I visit people make time to see us, but if we actually lived there, friends will be busy with family stuff and kids' activities.  The waves/beach, I'd say I bodyboard a lot Freshman and Sophomore, but then worked a lot and interned so that stopped. Fast forward to today, I would absolutely love to teach my young kids to bodyboard and snorkel. San Francisco has fun stuff like Great America and some other things, but miss the beach for sure.  

University of Hawaii is a good value, including for out of state, and especially if you're from a Western State, the school participates in the WUE program, tuition is like $17K (don't quote me).  If my kids don't get into an UCLA/Univ of Washington ranked undergrad or above, definitely would encourage them to attend UH and get that Hawaii experience.  

Attending Hawaii football games on the road is pretty fun.  That's what I'll be thinking about today.

Have compassion as well as ambition and you’ll go far in life
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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Sep 11, 2021 - 3:10am

University of Wisconsin, 3.0 GPA. No connections to industry. Won't explain how I did it in depth (who cares), but I left no stone unturned and basically just wouldn't take no for an answer. Persistence is key, my friends. 

  • Intern in IB-M&A
Sep 11, 2021 - 10:33am

A school so bad and small that listing it will practically make it an easy dox :P

In all seriousness, tier 250-300ish, tiny liberal arts college. Headed into AM full time post graduation. I got my start doing alot of bullshit unpaid internships and spinning a good story. 

Sep 11, 2021 - 3:59pm

UK Uni in the 60th ranking percentile - 3.8GPA.  

Wanted to work in Wealth Management since 2015 - after getting an interview for a graduate position, the technicals were a breeze.  Really liked the people I'd be working with too.  Applied for c.250 roles, 2 WM interviews and 2 second rounds (accepted offer before other 2nd round).  Good luck!

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