I Don't Buy Evolution

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I was taking a 4-hour exam today and I get to thinking philosophical to distract myself. Can't help it. I just
So I'm thinking: How the fuck is evolution the move? And I'm over here rattled because I'm supposed to be a man of reason shit. And no way am I some fucktard, right? But come on. Humans are fucking incredible. We are amazing. Did you know that breast milk has a bacteria that the infant can't digest that acts as a probiotic to season a baby's guy with healthy bacteria?

I listened to the last Rogan podcast with Dr. Rhonda Patrick and the human body and mind just seem too perfect. It's too accustomed to its environment, but at the same time reacts too expectedly to adversity. How could this possibly be the product of a series of accidents? Even hundrends.

I've never been presented the option of religion and I still think it's a ridiculous construct so I'm not sure where to go from here. Are we all in a simulation? I don't know. This is all too perfect. Thousands of compounded mistakes? Doubtful. Has evolution played a role? For sure. All of the role? Hard to imagine.

Humans don't know almost everything that every was. Why are we so confident about this?

Comments (235)

Jan 22, 2017

Do you want the red or the blue pill?

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Jan 22, 2017
Matrick:

Do you want the red or the blue pill?

which one involves deepthroarting

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Jan 22, 2017
GoldenCinderblock:

Matrick:Do you want the red or the blue pill?

which one involves deepthroarting

Lmao, wtf is wrong with you between this and the OP? lol funny guy

Jan 22, 2017

All too real, in short time our commute will consist of strapping on a VR headset.

Jan 23, 2017
Matrick:

Do you want the red or the blue pill?

the orange one's are XR, so I will take 30 orange, and see you in a month

Jan 23, 2017

only 30mgs a day? not bad

Jan 22, 2017

Evolution is basically an iterative process of adaptation - kind of like mix-and-match. We are the result of millions of successful genetic combinations, and likely billions of mistakes that didn't survive (maybe on microsecond scales). It's very likely that our bodies have formed after a process with a success rate of maybe 0.1%. And yet, we aren't perfect...
Try looking at the zerg from Starcraft - they provide an excellent picture on how evolution works, in an extremely fast scale.

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Jan 22, 2017
Frank Quattrone:

Evolution is basically an iterative process of adaptation - kind of like mix-and-match. We are the result of millions of successful genetic combinations, and likely billions of mistakes that didn't survive (maybe on microsecond scales). It's very likely that our bodies have formed after a process with a success rate of maybe 0.1%. And yet, we aren't perfect...Try looking at the zerg from Starcraft - they provide an excellent picture on how evolution works, in an extremely fast scale.

Evolution is absolutely a fact on a micro level. There are plenty of examples of species adapting to their environment over a handful of generations. On a macro level I'm not so sure. Natural selection enabling a bird species to change colors is one thing, life coming from not life is entirely different. The fact of the broader universe and systems in general is entropy. That does not line up with the increasing level of complexity in systems without outside influence that is required under the current model of evolution.

Jan 22, 2017

Our universe, while being an entropy system, was basically the result of a near infinite number of permutations that decided which atoms/elements/compounds combined together in which particular pattern that resulted in the creation of amino acids, that further permuted in a near infinite number of ways to create proteins, which again permuted to create living cells, which permute (to a much lesser extent) to create living organisms. Note, that these permutations happen on a much smaller timescale than what we are accustomed to, and they are subject to the laws of physics and chemistry. What/Who decided(s) these laws is up for contention.

Now and again, you hear in the news of people with extraordinary (or sometimes irrelevant) abilities. Those are all results of various successful permutations of human cells mutating and evolving. It's kind of like fitting Lego blocks together - sometimes they may not fit in each other's slots, sometimes they can fit but can't make something meaningful, and sometimes - if combined in a particular combination - they combine in a particular arrangement that is of utility (like a castle or a spaceship).

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Jan 22, 2017
TechBanking:

Frank Quattrone:Evolution is basically an iterative process of adaptation - kind of like mix-and-match. We are the result of millions of successful genetic combinations, and likely billions of mistakes that didn't survive (maybe on microsecond scales). It's very likely that our bodies have formed after a process with a success rate of maybe 0.1%. And yet, we aren't perfect...Try looking at the zerg from Starcraft - they provide an excellent picture on how evolution works, in an extremely fast scale.

Evolution is absolutely a fact on a micro level. There are plenty of examples of species adapting to their environment over a handful of generations. On a macro level I'm not so sure. Natural selection enabling a bird species to change colors is one thing, life coming from not life is entirely different. The fact of the broader universe and systems in general is entropy. That does not line up with the increasing level of complexity in systems without outside influence that is required under the current model of evolution.

The universe OVERALL tends towards greater entropy; however, there are small pockets of the universe where structure and order arise through natural processes (galaxies, etc.). In other words, over the long-term, entropy will always prevail in a closed system; however, in the short-term, it is a scientific fact that order can arise through natural processes. We can easily demonstrate this phenomenon using experiments.

Scientists have already isolated numerous theoretically plausible mechanisms through which life can arise from non-living matter. Fortunately, unlike scripture, scientists are not allowed to create fiction and espouse it as fact. Science takes time, but it inevitably discovers the truth. To argue otherwise is to invoke the god of the gaps fallacy.

Order (life) arising in an entropic system (the universe) is absolutely possible; indeed, it is a fact.

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Jan 23, 2017

I get your point. But to be the devil's advocate...weren't the Zerg literally 'created' to evolve so well? Just sayin'.

Anyway. Evolution is a theory. I'm inclined to believe it, some people don't, some people are confused. Cool.

Jan 22, 2017

Here's how I come to think of it:

If I was a scientist, I'd believe in every piece of evolution so I could do my job.

Personally, what difference does it make what I believe in, especially in terms of right or wrong, unless some guy is standing at the end of life waiting to grade my paper? If there's a guy, evolution doesn't believe in it. So I think the logical path is to choose to believe in the one that leads to the guy. Evolution doesn't affect me, because I'm not going to change that much from the time I was born to the time that I die. So, who gives a fuck? There's nothing practical to following every step defined by evolution, unless you're some scientific researcher or whatever.

Maybe I'm wrong, and someone should tell me that I'm going to be able to fly and throw a car by 2050, right now.

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Jan 22, 2017
iBankedUp:

Here's how I come to think of it:

If I was a scientist, I'd believe in every piece of evolution so I could do my job.

Personally, what difference does it make what I believe in, especially in terms of right or wrong, unless some guy is standing at the end of life waiting to grade my paper? If there's a guy, evolution doesn't believe in it. So I think the logical path is to choose to believe in the one that leads to the guy. Evolution doesn't affect me, because I'm not going to change that much from the time I was born to the time that I die. So, who gives a fuck? There's nothing practical to following every step defined by evolution, unless you're some scientific researcher or whatever.

Maybe I'm wrong, and someone should tell me that I'm going to be able to fly and throw a car by 2050, right now.

You're asking a deep and common question that has been answered by philosophers and scientists throughout the centuries -- why is the truth important? If you're looking for a complete and satisfying answer, then you will need to do more substantive reading than what I can offer you with my limited time.

Although, I think you can deduce some reasonable conclusions on your own by pondering why the truth is important. What are the logical consequences of people not believing in evolution? This implies that people do not believe in science as truth. If people do not believe in science as truth, then what would happen if everyone, or even the majority, thought this way? Why not just remain ignorant of everything and instead believe anything that makes us, in the short-term, feel better (I'm the king of the world, I'm a/the messiah, We're the centre of the universe, etc.)? Are there presently any groups of people who either don't believe in science or do their best to pretend that they don't? What kind of place would the world be if humans devolved to this standard of intellect?

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Jan 22, 2017

The truth? That's a joke. We're talking about the theory of evolution. It has not been proven. The factual basis is on scientific consensus. I can show you a very wrong consensus that took place in 1940s Germany. I don't care about consensus. The consensus in America is Trump is either going to kick China's ass or he's going to string up muslims and other non-white Americans. This is belief and my belief goes just as far as yours, much further if you ask me.

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Jan 22, 2017

Don't take the bait guys

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Jan 23, 2017

I walked into some nerd haven and forgot my trek t-shirt

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Jan 23, 2017
iBankedUp:

I walked into some nerd haven and forgot my trek t-shirt

Ignorance isn't something to be proud of but intelligence is.

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Jan 23, 2017

In the grand scheme of things, I don't think a candidate's views on evolution don't matter much. Honestly, so what? I'd rather focus on what the policy plans are. But in today's media climate (all screaming and no discussing), policy doesn't seem to matter much either.

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Jan 23, 2017
In The Flesh:

In the grand scheme of things, I don't think a candidate's views on evolution don't matter much. Honestly, so what? I'd rather focus on what the policy plans are. But in today's media climate (all screaming and no discussing), policy doesn't seem to matter much either.

+1

I dont understand what the problem is if they do not believe in Evolution. How is that going to effect any kind of policy? There are a lot of reasons to not vote for them. Not believing in evolution should not be one.

Jan 23, 2017
In The Flesh:

In the grand scheme of things, I don't think a candidate's views on evolution don't matter much. Honestly, so what? I'd rather focus on what the policy plans are. But in today's media climate (all screaming and no discussing), policy doesn't seem to matter much either.

Policy plans don't mean shit when it's some bread and circus shit meant to appease voters.

Jan 23, 2017

Actually, to me, this is the single most important part of their platform, and the main reason why I would not even look at the rest of their platform. Any candidate that doesn't believe in evolution, or that supports intelligent designed, is automatically dinged in my book.

Jan 23, 2017
LIBOR:

Actually, to me, this is the single most important part of their platform, and the main reason why I would not even look at the rest of their platform. Any candidate that doesn't believe in evolution, or that supports intelligent designed, is automatically dinged in my book.

At the risk of being pedantic, Romney's position is what Intelligent Design implies, using an outside force to explain the observed and proven fact of evolution. This would be equivalent to claiming an outside force causes gravity as opposed to gravitons as implied by current models of the universe. Huntsman, probably Newt and possibly Paul, depending on what they meant with their statements seem to understand what the Theory of Evolution actually implies, but the rest seem to be just denying facts.

Jan 23, 2017

This sort of shit absolutely effects policy. i.e.) stem cell research, education policy, etc.

Beyond that, give me a fucking break. It reflects their inability to process facts and information that goes against something they previously believed in (regardless of it being true or not.) The whole, "I won't let facts get in the way of my beliefs" mentality is a problem.

Beyond that, it's just retarded. Gravity is a "theory" with some holes in it (blackhole singularities), does that mean these people are going to walk out of a window on the 20th floor of a building?

Jan 23, 2017
TheKing:

This sort of shit absolutely effects policy. i.e.) stem cell research, education policy, etc.

Last I checked, the President of the United States is not a dictator.

Jan 23, 2017

This matters immensely, denying evolution shows they refute science and progress. If a candidate isn't smart enough to correctly analyze the data on something as simple and with as much of a scientific consensus as evolution, how are we supposed to trust them with any of the more complicated issues that presidents deal with daily?

Jan 23, 2017
Michael Scarn:

This matters immensely, denying evolution shows they refute science and progress. If a candidate isn't smart enough to correctly analyze the data on something as simple and with as much of a scientific consensus as evolution, how are we supposed to trust them with any of the more complicated issues that presidents deal with daily?

If god(s) do not exist then you must do so say or reveal logic to prove your beliefs. Until then I will continue to believe that there must be something that created everything, because there is no logical conclusion to draw from science to bring forth a counter proof to move my motivation of contemplation to a ratification.

Jan 23, 2017
blastoise:
Michael Scarn:

This matters immensely, denying evolution shows they refute science and progress. If a candidate isn't smart enough to correctly analyze the data on something as simple and with as much of a scientific consensus as evolution, how are we supposed to trust them with any of the more complicated issues that presidents deal with daily?

If god(s) do not exist then you must do so say or reveal logic to prove your beliefs. Until then I will continue to believe that there must be something that created everything, because there is no logical conclusion to draw from science to bring forth a counter proof to move my motivation of contemplation to a ratification.

So let me get this straight. I have to PROVE to you with PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that there is a god. Seems to me someone who desires PROOF and PHYSICAL EVIDENCE wouldn't necessarily be on the side of the 'almighty creator'

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Jan 23, 2017

It begins....

OP why do you think there is no creator?

What started the big bang?

Jan 23, 2017

Can God throw a football so far he can't catch it?

Yes.

God is omnipotent.

Jan 23, 2017

Some love to scream about how stupid and illogical people 'clinging to their bibles' are, but the only logical conclusion to ANY science out there is that something had to create everything.

Sooo...If a candidate isn't smart enough to correctly analyze the data on something as simple and with as much of a scientific consensus as something has to come from somewhere, how are we supposed to trust them with any of the more complicated issues that presidents deal with daily?

Jan 23, 2017

A creator is not the default answer. It's your default answer. Check yo selves.

Jan 23, 2017

come at me brah

Jan 23, 2017

Wow, another religious hating post by TheKing.

1) Who gives a shit if they believe or not.

2) Who fucking cares if the government funds stem cell research. As long as they do not make it illegal private parties can fund it.

3) For everyone that shits on religion, I am waiting to see evolution and atheism comfort someone who is dying or help a grieving family. If a "fairy tale" helps a wife who lost her husband or comforts someone who is going through a horrible time in their life, then it is without a doubt better than the "truth".

I love how liberals cry about the rights of all these poor, oppressed groups, but they cannot stop themselves from shitting on and wanting to oppress people who hold views unlike themselves.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

3) For everyone that shits on religion, I am waiting to see evolution and atheism comfort someone who is dying or help a grieving family. If a "fairy tale" helps a wife who lost her husband or comforts someone who is going through a horrible time in their life, then it is without a doubt better than the "truth".

Holy shit, people need to get comfortable with existential ambiguity. It's awfully weak-minded to hold religion above the pursuit of truth because it provides an intellectual prozac in times of emotional and mental vulnerability.

Jan 23, 2017

^^^ RE: #2. Uh, and you don't think someone like Bachmann would move to make research illegal? I don't think it's that far of a stretch man.

Jan 23, 2017

God created the big bang, you're welcome. Next topic.

Jan 23, 2017

Bush didn't make it illegal and I think it is doubtful that it even could be made illegal. Either way Congress has the real power and this country is pretty evenly split when it comes to political parties.

Jan 23, 2017

Agreed. I'm just afraid of any sort of extremism from either party. Bush was a fucking moderate (at least as far as social issues) compared to the first two in the thread title.

Jan 23, 2017

Neither are electable.

They are just pandering to a small part of their party. Just like Obama was pretty far left when he started, all move to the center as time goes on.

I personally don't want the government funding any of this shit. Who says Stem Cells are the best thing to research? Ya know. I mean maybe something else is key, but people are ignoring it because government money is too lucrative.

Market distortions.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

Neither are electable.

They are just pandering to a small part of their party. Just like Obama was pretty far left when he started, all move to the center as time goes on.

I personally don't want the government funding any of this shit. Who says Stem Cells are the best thing to research? Ya know. I mean maybe something else is key, but people are ignoring it because government money is too lucrative.

Market distortions.

WRONG! do you even know what stem cells are capable of dude? they can create organs that wont be rejected when their transplanted back into you, restore previously lost senses (eyesight etc), allow for wound healing in half the time etc... this area of research is gonna be the next magical wonder that allows ppl to live well into their 150's.....

Jan 23, 2017

For fucks sake who cares if they believe in the boogey man or not. Quit being an asshat and trying to start political debates about things no one gives a fuck about.

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Jan 23, 2017

I personally don't want the government funding any of this shit. Who says Stem Cells are the best thing to research? Ya know. I mean maybe something else is key, but people are ignoring it because government money is too lucrative.

^ You can't be serious. Stem-cell research is the future.

IMO, if the government should spend money on anything, it should be R&D (research and development). Innovations got America where it is today and they can restore its greatness in the future as well. Just imagine, if he have another internet-like breakthrough, the demand created would solve the recession in a matter of months.

That's why promoting STEM majors is so important as well - they lead to innovation. And America, again, badly needs someone to innovate right now.

Jan 23, 2017

It is immensely important in whether or not they believe in creationism! If you believe in creationism in America, usually you are Christian. Therefore it is safe to assume that these people will have very different stances on abortion, global warming, teaching science in school, stem cell research, etc. Most stances that people with religious views take is not one guided by reason, but their own faith. Or even worse, how they interpret it.

and ANT; telling people that their spouse/friend/child went to heaven or telling that dying person that does not make anything easier. If they believe they will go to heaven then they already do, but it will not change anything for them (the fact that they are dying) or people who lose them. Atheism isn't meant to comfort people, and if you perhaps don't believe in an afterlife, you just might be a little more appreciative and aware of this one.

Jan 23, 2017
streetwannabe:

It is immensely important in whether or not they believe in creationism! If you believe in creationism in America, usually you are Christian. Therefore it is safe to assume that these people will have very different stances on abortion, global warming, teaching science in school, stem cell research, etc. Most stances that people with religious views take is not one guided by reason, but their own faith. Or even worse, how they interpret it.

and ANT; telling people that their spouse/friend/child went to heaven or telling that dying person that does not make anything easier. If they believe they will go to heaven then they already do, but it will not change anything for them (the fact that they are dying) or people who lose them. Atheism isn't meant to comfort people, and if you perhaps don't believe in an afterlife, you just might be a little more appreciative and aware of this one.

Guided by reason? This country is guided by the mother fucking constitution and bill of rights. Last time I checked people are allowed to have any religious beliefs. You don't want the President or government telling schools what they should teach? Well me either, hence my desire for a smaller government and more liberty.

Jan 23, 2017

I believe it takes a strong mind to believe in something that cannot be proven

I don't think strong is the appropriate word here...

Anyways, government does have a small role in boosting an economy. Increasing the minimum-wage today would spur consumption, for instance.

Jan 23, 2017

Or it will put more people out of work.

You don't think strong is the right word? Most of the people who believe in evolution know very little about it. They were taught the basics in science class and because it is science they roll with it.

If you think that the government setting wages is a good idea, you are nuts. People blow off minimum wage jobs all the time. Do you think they would even bother if wages dropped to 3 bucks an hour? Get real. Wages are set by people who are willing to do them.

The entire argument you hear from the left supporting illegal immigration is that they do jobs Americans wont. McDonalds would pay 7 bucks an hour with our without the government interfering.

Jan 23, 2017

ANT, I never said it was weak-minded to believe in the unproven. And I don't claim that there isn't a God, nor do I think anyone is less intelligent because they believe in a God.

You said that religion is better than the "truth" (or atheism and evolution), because it comforts those in times of death. I don't think I could come up with a better illustration of weak-mindedness. How could the pursuit of truth be less valuable than an emotional crutch? Just because one finds themselves in a vulnerable state? That's insulting as a human being.

Jan 23, 2017

How people can complain about the government forcing religion in schools, fighting wars in 3 countries and the patriot act, but at the same time want government to set prices, teach only evolution and fund stem cell research is beyond me.

More government means more good if you believe one thing or more bad if you believe another. How about we just live and let live and shrink this fucking beast so we wont have to complain about it interfering anymore.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

How people can complain about the government forcing religion in schools, fighting wars in 3 countries and the patriot act, but at the same time want government to set prices, teach only evolution and fund stem cell research is beyond me.

More government means more good if you believe one thing or more bad if you believe another. How about we just live and let live and shrink this fucking beast so we wont have to complain about it interfering anymore.

The government cannot force one religion in school, that is the problem. This is not Iran.

The beauty of science is that it is a universal language, and its not clouded by the scientists bias belief system. There is research and a background of evidence and fact to back-up scientific teachings, you want to incorporate intelligent design because it supports the religious beliefs that YOU were brought up to believe were the absolute truth. In addition, there is scientific evidence to support the usefulness of stem cell research.

Jan 23, 2017

Oh, and not all of us atheists (or agnostic atheists) are liberal. There are many secular conservatives in our generation, yours truly included.

Jan 23, 2017

I didn't mean the chortling cunt comment at you BTW.

Science is great. Finding the truth is great. I support and encourage it all. But to shit on religion or religious people, without seeing the good within it is awfully closed minded.

The theory of evolution will change and adapt as more information is uncovered. The majority of people who believe in it and look down on creationism couldn't explain evolution past "we came from monkeys". If you want to believe in evolution ,fine, but actually learn the details about it. Otherwise you are just believe what someone else tells you which is basically the same thing as believe in a creator.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

I didn't mean the chortling cunt comment at you BTW.

Science is great. Finding the truth is great. I support and encourage it all. But to shit on religion or religious people, without seeing the good within it is awfully closed minded.

The theory of evolution will change and adapt as more information is uncovered. The majority of people who believe in it and look down on creationism couldn't explain evolution past "we came from monkeys". If you want to believe in evolution ,fine, but actually learn the details about it. Otherwise you are just believe what someone else tells you which is basically the same thing as believe in a creator.

The only issue I have with religion is that you guys throw out or forget the hundreds of crazy things said in the bible and cherry pick the ideas that could still apply or be believable in a modern context. As society progresses, more and more of the shit said in the Bible is going out of fashion as civil liberties are expanded. You guys will fight tooth and nail to prevent that, and that is why many people hate bible humping religious conservatives.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

I didn't mean the chortling cunt comment at you BTW.

The theory of evolution will change and adapt as more information is uncovered. The majority of people who believe in it and look down on creationism couldn't explain evolution past "we came from monkeys". If you want to believe in evolution ,fine, but actually learn the details about it. Otherwise you are just believe what someone else tells you which is basically the same thing as believe in a creator.

That's right. And we didn't come from monkeys, but we do share a common ancestor. And for your and everyone else's enjoyment, a partial explanation...from a theist, no less! Don't mind the video's title...

Jan 23, 2017

Wow, please FUCKING quote where I said I want to to the following:

1) Teach Intelligent Design

2) Teach religion in school

I really want to see where I said either.

Yes, there is plenty of usefulness to support researching stem cells. I personally support it. I don't support the GOVERNMENT supporting it.

Let the private enterprise fund it, which they are already doing.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

Wow, please FUCKING quote where I said I want to to the following:

1) Teach Intelligent Design

2) Teach religion in school

I really want to see where I said either.

Yes, there is plenty of usefulness to support researching stem cells. I personally support it. I don't support the GOVERNMENT supporting it.

Let the private enterprise fund it, which they are already doing.

The government has an interest in protecting public health. Most major medical research is at least partly funded by the government. You want profit driven companies to determine what medical research deserves funding? Why would a private company fund research for diseases that are not lucrative for the company to treat?

Jan 23, 2017

Yeah, because Bible thumping conservatives are any less fucking annoying as big government, liberals.

You all are the same, just forcing different beliefs down peoples throat.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

Yeah, because Bible thumping conservatives are any less fucking annoying as big government, liberals.

You all are the same, just forcing different beliefs down peoples throat.

yep yep yep

Jan 23, 2017

Public health?

That is polio, the flu, measles, etc.

Most major medical research is funded by universities and private companies. If something doesn't affect many people why should we focus on it?

Kind of like HIV research. How many more people die of illnesses that are not easily preventable. I mean a 25 cent condom and regular blood tests would reduce the spread of HIV, but we spend an enormous amount on it because of a vocal and highly affected group.

God forbid people wore condoms when they had sex. I mean too much to ask that someone practices safe sex.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

Public health?

That is polio, the flu, measles, etc.

Most major medical research is funded by universities and private companies. If something doesn't affect many people why should we focus on it?

Kind of like HIV research. How many more people die of illnesses that are not easily preventable. I mean a 25 cent condom and regular blood tests would reduce the spread of HIV, but we spend an enormous amount on it because of a vocal and highly affected group.

God forbid people wore condoms when they had sex. I mean too much to ask that someone practices safe sex.

I agree HIV research funding could be spent better elsewhere.

"If something doesn't affect many people why should we focus on it?"

So those people should just wallow in the fact that they have a disease that is rare and not profitable for companies to research and treat?

Jan 23, 2017

If you don't want the government telling you who to marry, what to believe in and what to do you should want a smaller government.

But no. People just want a government that does what they want.

Jan 23, 2017

Dude, you know that there are tons of biotech companies looking at all kinds of rare diseases.

The government funds populace crap, not real stuff.

C'mon man, you know government funding isn't going to anything but headline illnesses.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

Dude, you know that there are tons of biotech companies looking at all kinds of rare diseases.

The government funds populace crap, not real stuff.

C'mon man, you know government funding isn't going to anything but headline illnesses.

Just looked at the numbers, the government funds 36% of medical research. It also funds about 20% of military research. Do you support the latter?

Jan 23, 2017

AWM

1) I 100% support military spending. It is the actual job of the Federal Government and something that the private sector cannot fund or manage.

2) I am doing some due diligence on government medical spending. Give me 5 minutes.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

AWM

1) I 100% support military spending. It is the actual job of the Federal Government and something that the private sector cannot fund or manage.

2) I am doing some due diligence on government medical spending. Give me 5 minutes.

I think most citizens of the USA would prefer the government to support medical research and not research in the most efficient ways to kill people.

Jan 23, 2017

Clinical Research 6.81%
Genetics 6.37%
Biotechnology 5.32%
Prevention 3.75%
Cancer 3.55%
Neurosciences 3.51%
Bioengineering 3.36%
Brain Disorders 2.74%
Behavioral/Social Science 2.67%
Human Genome 2.64%
Infectious Diseases 2.51%
Pediatric 2.12%
Women's Health 5/ 1.99%
Aging 1.96%
Cardiovascular 1.76%
Clinical Trials 1.57%
Health Disparities 5/ 1.55%

This is the top ~55% of the NIH funding for 2010. None of this is really focusing on those small illnesses youre talking about. Most of it is simply funding universities, etc.

So the government funds this crap and it gets sold to Pharma companies that end up profiting from it? How is this anything but a kick back to the biotech companies?

C'mon, this is big government giving kick backs, not some altruistic endeavor.

FYI - HIV/AIDS research is not on this list, but next year and all the years prior as well as going forward, it is 14th on the list of most funding.

When you consider that HIV/AIDS is one disease and all the other funding goes to general areas that encompass a lot of illnesses, you really see how one sided the government spending really is.

Distortions in the market.

Jan 23, 2017

People's unfailing capacity to believe what they prefer to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible astounds me. Faced with significant evidence to the contrary, we still pin all hope on the slimmest doubt or weakest argument.

"God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."
"These people have not been able to find a job during the last 18 months on welfare. Therefore, we need to extend welfare so that they may have more time to find a job."

Regardless, whoever wrote that article and the op are needlessly exacerbating the issue. The president will not be able to mandate what schools teach, he will not shut down universities that accept evolution, nor will he have the power to decide if evolution or creationism is taught. Quit rattling the sabres.

Making money is art and working is art and good business is the best art - Andy Warhol

Jan 23, 2017
dwight schrute:

People's unfailing capacity to believe what they prefer to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible astounds me. Faced with significant evidence to the contrary, we still pin all hope on the slimmest doubt or weakest argument.

"God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."
"These people have not been able to find a job during the last 18 months on welfare. Therefore, we need to extend welfare so that they may have more time to find a job."

Regardless, whoever wrote that article and the op are needlessly exacerbating the issue. The president will not be able to mandate what schools teach, he will not shut down universities that accept evolution, nor will he have the power to decide if evolution or creationism is taught. Quit rattling the sabres.

Uhh, pretty sure GW signed No Child Left Behind. Kind of affects the way teaching is done and is actually a really stupid bill.

Jan 23, 2017

I'm going to point out that X% to 'Brain disorders could mean that .5% of that goes to some super rare whatever the fuck disease. I know this happens in genetics all the time.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Jan 23, 2017
happypantsmcgee:

I'm going to point out that X% to 'Brain disorders could mean that .5% of that goes to some super rare whatever the fuck disease. I know this happens in genetics all the time.

^ yep. It's typically not profitable to treat this stuff, so if the gov't doesn't fund it, it will never get done. That 5% is better than nothing.

Jan 23, 2017

Religion is the opiate of the masses

People who say they believe in religion are:

  1. Ignorant/stupid people (and actually believe the bible literally)
  2. Trying to use religion to control ignorant/stupid people (it works, when was the last time you met a devout Christian democrat)
  3. Contrarians (I would think most people on here saying they believe in God fall into this category because there is no way an intelligent person (someone smart enough to possibly work on Wall Street) could believe in something as dumb as a man in the sky creating humans
Jan 23, 2017

Yes, because working on wall street is indicative of intelligence.

I can deal with TheKing and AWM because they are at least intelligent, but this clown shit above is too much.

Jan 23, 2017

Why religious people even try and argue with creationists is beyond me. Religion is a faith based concept and will not stand up to scientific rigor. It is not supposed, nor does it benefit you. if you can't believe without proof you shouldn't bother with religion.

And this guy can comfortably says he believes in evolution. 95% of the people who say they believe in evolution couldn't get past the monkey shit. They blindly believe in evolution just like religious people blindly believe in god.

Jan 23, 2017

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Departm...
70 Billion wasted on this crock of shit.

about 170MM people in this country pay federal taxes.

that is about 400.00 per person, per year, that could be saved. How many Americans could use $400 bucks.

Suppose you means tested that shit and only gave it to people earning less that 100K

that might be well over 1K per person

Yup, libertarians helping the common man. You're welcome.

Jan 23, 2017

Teachers being paid by the government is exactly why they shouldn't be able to unionize. We as taxpayers are getting fucked. All government employees should be barred from unionizing. It's unethical and downright stupid.

You be sure to post in your front yard that you think the 2A is ridiculous so the thieves know who won't put up a fight.

Jan 23, 2017
txjustin:

Teachers being paid by the government is exactly why they shouldn't be able to unionize. We as taxpayers are getting fucked. All government employees should be barred from unionizing. It's unethical and downright stupid.

You be sure to post in your front yard that you think the 2A is ridiculous so the thieves know who won't put up a fight.

This. It places an unfair burden on future taxpayers who have no option but to pay increasing taxes in order to fund raises or benefit increases.

Jan 23, 2017
txjustin:

Teachers being paid by the government is exactly why they shouldn't be able to unionize. We as taxpayers are getting fucked. All government employees should be barred from unionizing. It's unethical and downright stupid.

You be sure to post in your front yard that you think the 2A is ridiculous so the thieves know who won't put up a fight.

Teachers signed a contract when they took that job that promised them X salary, X benefits, and X pension. The government cannot break those promises, they are contractually bound. I believe Christie tried to do that in NJ, its unethical and exactly the reason many people think Unions are necessary.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo88/speezack/G...
Just for you TX

Dude that is fucking awesome!! Thanks for the laugh.

Jan 23, 2017

The reason it is an issue is because isn't so much because of stem cell research or teaching intelligent design (although, at least to me, this is a big issue and I think its terribly wrong to teach intelligent design in public school) is because these politicians blatantly ignore scientific evidence, opting instead to pander to religious interests. The fact is, it is wrong, and shows that they will bring this wrong sort of judgment to the Oval Office if elected.

Everyone sees that the sky is blue. How many people know that its caused by Rayleigh Scattering? If the Bible said something like "The sky is blue because it was the color of Jesus' eyes", they would force this to be taught in public schools. Its not wrong to have a religion. It is wrong to force the beliefs and dogmas of that religion onto the general populace.

BTW, the world was created by the <a href="http://www.venganza.org/>flying spaghetti monster. This should be taught in public schools as well.

Jan 23, 2017
LIBOR:

The reason it is an issue is because isn't so much because of stem cell research or teaching intelligent design (although, at least to me, this is a big issue and I think its terribly wrong to teach intelligent design in public school) is because these politicians blatantly ignore scientific evidence, opting instead to pander to religious interests. The fact is, it is wrong, and shows that they will bring this wrong sort of judgment to the Oval Office if elected.

Everyone sees that the sky is blue. How many people know that its caused by Rayleigh Scattering? If the Bible said something like "The sky is blue because it was the color of Jesus' eyes", they would force this to be taught in public schools. Its not wrong to have a religion. It is wrong to force the beliefs and dogmas of that religion onto the general populace.

BTW, the world was created by the <a href="http://www.venganza.org/>flying spaghetti monster. This should be taught in public schools as well.

LIBOR

I 100% agree with you. I think anyone who ignores OVERWHELMING scientific evidence and does something counter to this should never be President.

In fact, someone who does this should be impeached.

Kind of like people who smoke even though all the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE points to it killing you.

http://www.dba-oracle.com/images/obama_smokes.jpg
See what I did there? You single out religion, but people ignore shit all the time. We are not vulcans, we don't always do what science says.

I've taken maybe 3 biology classes my whole life. Doesn't really hinder me. Believing in God and not believe in evolution doesn't mean shit. It is a personal opinion and has zero bearing on being President.

I still love ya bro, just pointing some stuff out.

Jan 23, 2017

Why do teachers need unions, but most other white collar workers do not?

Unions came into being because people were being forced to work inhumane hours and in horrible conditions. Eventually these things stopped and unions had to find another way to stay in power. So now they spread to other fields of work that have no business being unionized.

I love it. Look at non unionized auto workers in the south. They make like $15-20 bucks an hour with great benefits and do their job. Meanwhile the union guys in Michigan are dying a slow death.

If teachers were not unionized the good ones would make a ton of money and the shitty ones would probably just never get a raise. If shitty workers can keep their jobs in every industry under the sun, shitty teachers would still find work.

Jan 23, 2017

Ant, you didn't have to do Street like that man. He's prolly crying behind his liberal computer screen right now.

Jan 23, 2017
txjustin:

Ant, you didn't have to do Street like that man. He's prolly crying behind his liberal computer screen right now.

Haha, thank you for so blatantly labeling me, but it is alright. I always like some good banter, even if I lose. All part of sharing opinions and such. I did shed a small tear though

Jan 23, 2017

To the OP, I won't vote for a candidate that doesn't believe in evolution because it shows they are illogical and biased by their faith, which will wreak havoc over all of their decision making skills.

Just curious, were any of you Biology, Chemistry, or Physics majors? If not, you should shut the fuck up.

Jan 23, 2017
Jose.Rey:

To the OP, I won't vote for a candidate that doesn't believe in evolution because it shows they are illogical and biased by their faith, which will wreak havoc over all of their decision making skills.

Just curious, were any of you Biology, Chemistry, or Physics majors? If not, you should shut the fuck up.

Exactly what I have been saying. Too many people believe science without knowing the the research that supports it.

Jan 23, 2017

Please tell me what President is pushing creationism?

The Federal government has jack shit power or right to push anything on the schools.

Let science classes teach whatever they want. Evolution is sciences theory of creation. It is going to be updated and change as time goes on. We keep getting closer or finding new information.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

Evolution is sciences theory of creation.

Let's be careful about how we use the word "theory" in the context of science. It's much more meaningful than used in it's common form.

http://notjustatheory.com/

Jan 23, 2017

It's getting frothy in here. I am going for a run. Hopefully some more misinformation will be posted while I am gone.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

It's getting frothy in here. I am going for a run. Hopefully some more misinformation will be posted while I am gone.

Running at midnight in Philly? At least we'll know how you died.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Jan 23, 2017

Evolution is still filling in the gaps, still uncovering missing pieces, still refining the story. It is a theory and a work in progress.

Anyone who says they don't believe in evolution because it is a theory is a retard. You can't shit on something without at least having a reason.

Jan 23, 2017

I do find it hilarious that liberals are all up in arms if people believe in evolution or God. Why? Because they don't like hearing what they regard as stupidity. The so-called tolerant liberals are intolerant on a vast variety of things. Look at circumcision- SF banned it for no real reason. Some medical advice says its beneficial, but because they think it is so stupid it is banned. The list goes on and on. STEM CELLS? Do they have to be fetal...no...but is that what the government funds? Yes. Rather than solving diseases by adult donation, it is simply easier to kill fetal children and experiment. The government shouldn't be in the business of helping this. Nor abortion. Look at the Department of education. Why not use a voucher system? Because that would hurt the crappy union teachers at the benefit of the students. Boo-hoo, how dare the big bad Republicans introduce competition.

Although I believe in evolution, short-term evolution is proven, but the mass migration from one species to another is not.

he thing about the government funding rare diseases is an utter fallacy. I have a rare disease affecting about 70k people across the world and it gets no funding from the government. The selection of diseases to research by the government is detrimental to the other, rarer ones. Why was AIDS such a problems when the government didn't address it? Because they were funding other research ones. If you don't wanna cut NIH funding, then at lest line item veto the programs. I mean come on....there are programs testing the effects of cocaine on sheep.

Reality hits you hard, bro...

Jan 23, 2017

Just pointing out as well, it really doesn't matter if evolution could be completely confirmed. There are still a lot of philosophical questions that it does not answer that many believe religion does answer. Either way, I think the best belief is to acknowledge that it doesn't matter and by admitting that you don't have the answers (nobody does, has, or ever will) is the best answer.

Jan 23, 2017

Socrates was the wisest man because he recognized how little he truly did know. The second we start thinking we know it all is the second we set ourselves up to look like fools.

Jan 23, 2017
ANT:

Socrates was the wisest man because he recognized how little he truly did know. The second we start thinking we know it all is the second we set ourselves up to look like fools.

Glad to agree on something reasonable.

But one more thing for me to clarify, I may be wrong so feel free to correct me again; Teachers deserve to unionize because they no not work for a private corporation. They cannot be compared with auto workers in the south and union workers in the north. Teachers unionize I feel out of pay concerns, which seem legitimate to me seeing as they go to school for 6 years and get paid hardly enough, especially the good teachers.

Also, on your former post ANT, you really agree with military spending? I am all for homeland defense, but I think that is a big difference compared to blowing 3 million dollars on a missile that can destroy a village from 350 miles away.

Jan 23, 2017

I get a good laugh when I see people argue against what I posted with the "theKing hates religion" argument. I did not mention religion in my post, nor do I hate religion when kept private.

What I am saying, is that I cannot take someone seriously if they dismiss facts and reason because it does not fit with what what want to believe in. I have no issue with someone believing in God (again, I am not an atheist), but I have big issues with someone pushing their religious dogma onto others.

Others have argued that pushing a political point of view is analogous to pushing religion. That is not true. Why? Because no one can prove their religious belief system to be true because it is impossible to prove the existence of God. Further, there is virtually zero reason to believe in a personal God who created man in his image. It's fine if you want to believe that, but there is zero proof, so don't push religious views on the public in place of science, and don't mock incredibly thorough, researched, and documented science because it doesn't tie with what you want to believe.

Again, I believe in a higher power of sorts, spinoza's God, if you will, I just think that imaging it to be a father figure in the sky in our image who really cares about where you stick your dick is incredibly egotistical on the part of mankind, and quite frankly, pretty stupid (with regard to the sex stuff).

Jan 23, 2017

What teachers go to school for 6 years? Maybe if they took 9 hours per semester.

Jan 23, 2017

Well you can go for 5, but my girlfriend is actually a teacher. You have to get your masters to even get a job in teaching anymore, especially with the cuts schools are making. She went for four years, graduated, and is starting her 2 year masters program.

Jan 23, 2017
streetwannabe:

Well you can go for 5, but my girlfriend is actually a teacher. You have to get your masters to even get a job in teaching anymore, especially with the cuts schools are making. She went for four years, graduated, and is starting her 2 year masters program.

What did she major in? Over the passed two years, my friends with chemistry and biology degrees have had no trouble getting high school teaching jobs. No masters needed.

Jan 23, 2017
streetwannabe:

Well you can go for 5, but my girlfriend is actually a teacher. You have to get your masters to even get a job in teaching anymore, especially with the cuts schools are making. She went for four years, graduated, and is starting her 2 year masters program.

Not sure where you are, but where I am I know several teachers and they have nothing but the run of the mill 4 year degree.

Jan 23, 2017
streetwannabe:

Well you can go for 5, but my girlfriend is actually a teacher. You have to get your masters to even get a job in teaching anymore, especially with the cuts schools are making. She went for four years, graduated, and is starting her 2 year masters program.

The majority of teachers out there went to STATE U and studied Gen Ed / Sec Ed/ Special Ed. Most people would not consider the average teacher anything more then average from the rest of America. For the Gen Ed / Sec Ed / Special Ed degree at State U, they get $XXK a year (starting) for 8 months of work. They contribute very little to benefits, if any at all. In most states, They cannot be fired after they receive tenure at 2 years. Once the teacher has her class plan down, which is what her undergrad was mainly for, she just teaches and follows the exact same plan year after year.

Teaching addition and subtraction to 2nd graders is not rocket science. They get exceptional benefits and pay for the work they do 8 months out of the year. I know a couple kids in TFA and they get their masters from the local state school while working full time. They aren't doing fucking applied mathematics.

Jan 23, 2017

I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but in the Northeast competetion for full time teaching positions is becoming very tough. The older generation is a different story, but to GET a teaching job now is becoming very difficult and a masters is becoming an unofficial requisite. Contracts that are multiple years long, say 4 or 5 are a good idea, but I don't support permanent tenure OR annual review.

The goal is long term stability and growth, and the current trend is to redline the system for short term growth and then dump the problem on the next guy.....maybe good on Wall Street, not good for children. The educational system isn't THAT bad. I'm just thinking that maybe American parents put some more emphasis on education and we'll be ok.

Seriously, what's with the hysterics??????

Jan 23, 2017

txjustin and vanburenboyz, she majored in secondary english education. I am in the Northeast and she has an internship this fall, however here (in NY) they recently made huge teaching cuts and she would be lucky to get a job after her internship. She has a decent GPA and already has student taught. Her internship doesn't pay hardly anything (1200 a month in NY is almost min wage) so it is really hard for her to get into schools around here without a masters in English.

Jan 23, 2017

Not necessarily talking about your girl street, but what motivates somebody to get a masters to become a teacher? Not exactly cost effective. If that is the new norm, the education bubble is gonna be huge before it pops.

Jan 23, 2017

txjustin, I think this will become the new norm, not just teaching, but everything. These days, even in business if you want to move up, you have to go to Bus school. Its almost the same in every profession now. I mean, my grandfather was an engineer for IBM and never even went to college! Now days you couldn't hardly be a receptionist at IBM without some college degree. Everything is more competitive and younger people are doing more things. Everybody is just trying to keep up

Jan 23, 2017

I agree with that, the masters has basically become the new bachelor degree in a large part of the US. Virtually everyone I know who majored in engineering did a 1-year masters coming out of undergrad to be hire-able. I'm guessing that this rule may not hold as true in the south or the flyover states, but if you want a white-collar job (and I consider teaching and engineering to be white-collar) in an urban area, you have to get the masters eventually, if not right away.

Jan 23, 2017

Maybe there are more jobs here in Texas, I don't know. Engineering and such don't need to get a masters to be employable. Doesn't hurt, but not necessary.

Jan 23, 2017

I don't necessarily care about a person's religion or their belief in God - that's a private issue and it's usually of no concern to me. I do have an issue when those beliefs bleed into the public sphere. More than anything, I think this is an issue of character. I don't trust Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum to not govern based on religion. They're uncompromising and willfully ignorant people. They can believe what they want, but their black and white mentality has no place in governing this country.

This isn't a knock against religion. There are many religious people who can reconcile their faith and evidence supporting evolution. There are also many religious people who don't believe in evolution but would never support teaching intelligent design in classes. I could vote for Huntsman or Romney knowing that they're religious and conservative, but open to different perspectives and willing to compromise when governing.

I guess it's kind of a proxy indicator for me. But honestly, who doesn't believe in evolution these days? It's not even belief as much as acceptance. The fact that this is still up for debate is crazy to me.

Jan 23, 2017
BansheeBeats:

I don't necessarily care about a person's religion or their belief in God - that's a private issue and it's usually of no concern to me. I do have an issue when those beliefs bleed into the public sphere. More than anything, I think this is an issue of character. I don't trust Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum to not govern based on religion. They're uncompromising and willfully ignorant people. They can believe what they want, but their black and white mentality has no place in governing this country.

This isn't a knock against religion. There are many religious people who can reconcile their faith and evidence supporting evolution. There are also many religious people who don't believe in evolution but would never support teaching intelligent design in classes. I could vote for Huntsman or Romney knowing that they're religious and conservative, but open to different perspectives and willing to compromise when governing.

I guess it's kind of a proxy indicator for me. But honestly, who doesn't believe in evolution these days? It's not even belief as much as acceptance. The fact that this is still up for debate is crazy to me.

+1

This is the issue I have with the Republican Party. They constantly put up candidates who are so insanely ideologically stubborn and averse to facts that the media spends half their time pummeling them on stupid shit they have said. They completely dodge the question, and the cycle starts over again. The last debate was stomach churning, all the candidates were repeating talking points, no original ideas at all except from Paul. Put up someone moderate that does not pander to the tea party or the evangelical right and I will vote Republican, simple. Bloomberg comes to mind.

Huntsman and Romney are the best of a bad bunch by far. But again, how many evangelicals are going to vote for a Mormon?

Jan 23, 2017

The one thing I do have against nearly all religions is the way that people choose to accept it. If you think about it, almost nobody actually chooses their religion. There are some converts, but most people are born in town X, go to church, are raised Christian or whatever and therefore believe in that. Had they been born somewhere else or even raised somewhere else, they might have totally different views. How many claimed Christians have actually looked at different religions? I find it very rare that somebody actually chooses their own religious beliefs on what they think is actually a good religious platform. Most conform to the general beliefs in their community and become a product of that environment which in my mind is a very simpleton view of something that usually determines many of your traits and life views.

Jan 23, 2017
streetwannabe:

The one thing I do have against nearly all religions is the way that people choose to accept it. If you think about it, almost nobody actually chooses their religion. There are some converts, but most people are born in town X, go to church, are raised Christian or whatever and therefore believe in that. Had they been born somewhere else or even raised somewhere else, they might have totally different views. How many claimed Christians have actually looked at different religions? I find it very rare that somebody actually chooses their own religious beliefs on what they think is actually a good religious platform. Most conform to the general beliefs in their community and become a product of that environment which in my mind is a very simpleton view of something that usually determines many of your traits and life views.

Great point. I think this is the real problem with religions today. People are usually (not always) afraid to explore the purpose of their religion and religion in general. If you look at the messages of the great religious figures throughout history you can find commonality in the underlying message. As someone who was raised in a religious family but never had it forced on me I've explored many of the religions particularly the eastern ones. Just like with any methodology you will see results if you practice the steps. People aren't only looking for material understanding provided by science in this life. If you are looking for a greater understanding of self you will see why people gravitate toward the message of religion and spirituality. There's need for a greater science than simply the science of modern times. It's clear that we want an answer to how it all started, why we exist, or any "deep" question, but it seems evident that these questions won't be answered by science so we simply deem them unanswerable. When someone states they have found answers through whatever medium we dismiss them because it seems illogical that a person can reach that understanding. How can you know the result of a methodology if you don't practice it yourself? Most religious people simply believe in God, whatever that means. They don't strive or aim to achieve a connection where God is actually realized (I use the term God liberally, there is no need to qualify God as a white bearded governor in the sky). I do disagree with blind belief but unfortunately that seems to be prevalent. We believe in evolution because we were taught it, the same way we believe in religion. If you study evolution you will see there are differing ideologies. I've read Stephen Jay Gould's view on it and it is vastly different then the common understanding of slow and steady evolution throughout the history of species. In each field we are progressing towards the truth and as different people look to find it, there will be an inevitable rise of differing paths and opinions. The Yogis say that through many paths we will come to a final truth. Perhaps there will be a convergence of many of the ideas we currently think are incompatible. I know there has been some study into the convergence of spirituality and quantum physics although I personally don't know how much merit there is to it.

Bit of a ramble and slightly off topic but the quote spurred some thoughts I had.

Jan 23, 2017

the term intelligent design is pretty ironic if you ask kenny fucking powers.

My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.

Jan 23, 2017

As a non-American I must admit I'm pretty ignorant on these issues, but from what our media suggests, most Americans are anti-free healthcare provision and anti-free education provision. If this is true then seriously?? WTF. No wonder most of the world thinks Americans are gun-toting, right wingers.

For what it's worth, it seems as though Obama has been on the right track socially, but has failed abysmally economically. From what we've seen of the Republican candidates over here, it seems as though Paul is the best! God help us if Perry or Bachmann get in.....

Jan 23, 2017
Asatar:

As a non-American I must admit I'm pretty ignorant on these issues, but from what our media suggests, most Americans are anti-free healthcare provision and anti-free education provision. If this is true then seriously?? WTF. No wonder most of the world thinks Americans are gun-toting, right wingers..

News Flash: Healthcare and Education aren't fucking FREE. This entitlement bullshit that the rest of the world has is the difference between the USA and everyone else. Its why America is the greatest nation in the world. Its funny that the rest of the world thinks we are such lazy hillbillys, yet almost all innovation comes from an American company or entrepreneur, we are constantly at the front of any research and cure, and we donate money and supplies hand over fist to the next closest country, both as a government and as individual citizens.

Jan 23, 2017

America is the greatest country on the face of the Earth. This is not a subjective statement, this is objective truth.

I hate relativism and think it's disgusting when American citizens speak about America as though it were just another place to live. It's so fucking easy to take for granted what we have here, or to sit back and think "man, it'd be nice to have siestas and month-long vacations in the summer like they do in Europe," but that attitude is fucking bullshit. Europe is falling apart, has high-as-fuck taxes, and has big brother USA fight the war on terror and protect their asses for them. Virtually every major innovation and company of note is from the US. Our education system, despite its flaws, is the best in the world - No one is touching our research universities. "But, but...IIT is amazing, so is Oxford." Shut the fuck up.

People go on their fucking study-abroad program or spend a week in europe with friends while on vacation from work and lose sight of what the rest of the world is REALLY like relative to the US.

Note, I am not saying that it isn't important to take in other cultures, nor am I saying that other countries are objectively shit, or that we don't have flaws in America (we do,) but I am saying that this is the fucking greatest country on Earth, period.

Jan 23, 2017
TheKing:

America is the greatest country on the face of the Earth. This is not a subjective statement, this is objective truth.

I hate relativism and think it's disgusting when American citizens speak about America as though it were just another place to live. It's so fucking easy to take for granted what we have here, or to sit back and think "man, it'd be nice to have siestas and month-long vacations in the summer like they do in Europe," but that attitude is fucking bullshit. Europe is falling apart, has high-as-fuck taxes, and has big brother USA fight the war on terror and protect their asses for them. Virtually every major innovation and company of note is from the US. Our education system, despite its flaws, is the best in the world - No one is touching our research universities. "But, but...IIT is amazing, so is Oxford." Shut the fuck up.

People go on their fucking study-abroad program or spend a week in europe with friends while on vacation from work and lose sight of what the rest of the world is REALLY like relative to the US.

Note, I am not saying that it isn't important to take in other cultures, nor am I saying that other countries are objectively shit, or that we don't have flaws in America (we do,) but I am saying that this is the fucking greatest country on Earth, period.

I have lived abroad and can say without a shadow of a doubt the US has the best quality of life for the middle class of any country I have visited. The UK middle class is living a solid 15 years behind us. However, the quality of life at the top is similar, and the quality of life at the bottom in the US is much worse on average.

After experiencing the UK education system vs. the US education system the US wins by a landslide, absolutely no comparison there. The UK really lacks resources on that front. The US also has the best healthcare by far (if you can afford it).

Europe is great if you are going to live in their cities, or are earning big bucks working in finance allowing you to afford a very stereotypical European lifestyle (which doesn't come cheap). At least in London its a safe bet that if you are walking through a nice neighborhood its going to be expensive, I think if an American saw how a middle class person in London lived they might not want to move there...

Jan 23, 2017

Just a question for The King; what are you talking about war on terror? I think this "war" is more subject to our own country more than most. Not saying terrorism doesn't happen in other countries, but I've never really understood how you fight "terrorism" since it is more of an ideology than anything.

Jan 23, 2017

@streetwannabe:

Call it what you want, but we're the reason why Al Qaeda is nearly destroyed. London was bombed, Spain, other countries in Europe have been attacked directly / indirectly by fundamentalist groups...and we're fighting them. Beyond the war on terror, we are the de facto defense force for our allies and our pals in Europe know that and rest easy because of it.

Jan 23, 2017
TheKing:

@streetwannabe:

Call it what you want, but we're the reason why Al Qaeda is nearly destroyed. London was bombed, Spain, other countries in Europe have been attacked directly / indirectly by fundamentalist groups...and we're fighting them. Beyond the war on terror, we are the de facto defense force for our allies and our pals in Europe know that and rest easy because of it.

I can certainly agree with the fundamentals of your statement. It may just seem obsolete to me, because even though we've killed Osama, it will not change anything. I guess my issue is just with the way we are fighting said war, not what you've said.

Jan 23, 2017

You call it regulation, I call it control.

Every other day I hear about some new thing that will kill you, then shortly after they say it's good for you.

Jan 23, 2017

So you want the government to tell you what to eat?

Jan 23, 2017
txjustin:

So you want the government to tell you what to eat?

I think I want them to control what companies put into food if it is known to be toxic for your health. Some preservatives are carcinogenic for example. And I also think that the government should force restaurants to show nutrition facts for their meals.

Jan 23, 2017
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Jan 23, 2017