I just got fired.

I used to work for a small finance firm in Philly and on the 1st day of work this year, I was fired. They gave me BS reasons, but I suspect it was because my boss did not like me. I worked there for 8 months.

I am 25, young, hungry, hard working, and all the other good superlatives, and I could use some advice. How should I approach this situation?

I have a professional mentor and she suggested this : leave out my work ex at that finance firm from my resume all together. She has a small company (not finance related) and told me to put her company's name instead of the place I got fired from. I was already working for her part time to gain experience and extra money so I don't see a problem in doing what she suggested.

My questions are these -
1) Do people here think this is good strategy? (leaving a past employer completely out and erasing from you life all together)
2) Someone in the future (soon, I hope) will do a background check on me. Will this come back and bite me in the ass? (pertaining towards pay stubs, w-2 form etc.)

Thanks to all in advance.

 
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What are you hungry for? What are your goals? There is nothing we can advise you on if you don't provide that for us.

If you don't want finance in the future, leaving the finance company name out of your resume won't make too much difference.

However, since you posted on WSO, a finance site, I assume you do accept the possibility of going into finance in the future. In that case, I would leave the finance company on your resume and have a damn good argument why you left. Ask the finance company if you can say to future employers that you quit instead of being fired. That way it doesn't seem like no one wants you. Find any finance job asap for the meanwhile and in your future interviews just say the culture didn't fit and list all the attributes of the interviewing company that makes you want to work for them.

Good luck. The worst case scenario is that you find a shady broker job at Queens and start selling penny stocks to investors - only if you can sell a pen to anyone though.

 

I went into corporate finance at a finance company because I wanted to see and learn how the whole finance machinery works plus have a better work life balance compared to ibanking and at the same time keep my options open if I wanted to jump towards portfolio mgmt (CFA lvl 2 candidate right now) or apply these skill in a more entrepreneurial setting (progressing towards my cpa and have filed papers to start a non-profit for example).

To answer your question, Yes I do see my self working in finance in the future.

And I just spoke to the HR director, he says the only info they will release will be regarding the facts, start date, end date, position held and compensation (only facts). I asked him what if my future employer asks you "is this person eligible for rehire" then how will they answer it....he adamantly said that they don't answer such questions. I am reluctant to believe him.

I am thinking about emailing my manager (who fired me) asking him to give a reference, if not a positive one then at least not a negative one.

Thoughts?

CS.Troy
 
KimchiNoodleSoup:

What are you hungry for? What are your goals? There is nothing we can advise you on if you don't provide that for us.

If you don't want finance in the future, leaving the finance company name out of your resume won't make too much difference.

However, since you posted on WSO, a finance site, I assume you do accept the possibility of going into finance in the future. In that case, I would leave the finance company on your resume and have a damn good argument why you left. Ask the finance company if you can say to future employers that you quit instead of being fired. That way it doesn't seem like no one wants you. Find any finance job asap for the meanwhile and in your future interviews just say the culture didn't fit and list all the attributes of the interviewing company that makes you want to work for them.

Good luck. The worst case scenario is that you find a shady broker job at Queens and start selling penny stocks to investors - only if you can sell a pen to anyone though.

lols, ignore the troll, you'll be fine.

 

That sucks, sorry to hear you got fired. I'll let the board speak for whether the 8 months on the finance job is good/bad for your resume, but this tactic sends out all sorts of red flags for me.

If you did meaningful work for your friend, include it, it sounds like you have a good reference. I have no idea if you'd get 'caught' but I don't think that's a good enough reason to leave it off.

But again, I'm not in a typical 'finance' role so I'll leave it to those who are.

 
lonesurvivor:
WallStreetBB:

F#$% em. We ball! Dust yourself off and make em regret letting you go by excelling in something else.

This.
Whoever abandoned us for whatever reason, let them see who don't really deserve who in the end.

Lol. @lonesurvivor I think you're still thinking about the professor who didn't fall for you. Get over him for God's sake.

I seriously hope you won't take that course again and will make better use of your time.

 
CastaTroy:

I do not. I was going to take my series 7 after june. The only thing I have is my CFA lvl 1.

Sorry to hear that man, that's never easy.

First of all, if you're planning on pursuing the CFA charter, your work experience will almost 100% be audited. Aside from having to invent 9 months worth of projects your mentor made up for you for your current job, it will almost certainly come back to bite you in the ass later.

Don't lie. In my mind, the best you can do is say you were "let go due to structural changes within the group" or your "position was no longer aligned with the strategic mission of the firm." Something unspecific (which doesn't seem like a lie in your case) that doesn't seem to reflect your character or work ethic. Pretending you were never fired is dubious though.

Not to be a stickler - because I'm certainly not one - but you don't "have your CFA lvl 1." If you say or write that to a charterholder you will appear to be either a dumbass or liar.

 

Leave it on there and explain that your boss was a jerk etc etc... spin it so it looks good for you. If you can get away with saying you quit - do that. Try to find one person at the firm that you did get along with, then use them as your reference. Get them to back up your story.

If you can't get even one person from the old firm to back up your story then maybe the problem's with you...

 
Wilson1823:
explain that your boss was a jerk etc etc...
Not a good strategy. Shitting on a previous employer rarely works. Usually, the complainer will be considered the problem. If you want to highlight defensible reasons as to why the job wasn't a good fit, that is on the right side of the line. Bad mouthing them is not.
 
DickFuld:
Wilson1823:

explain that your boss was a jerk etc etc...

Not a good strategy. Shitting on a previous employer rarely works. Usually, the complainer will be considered the problem. If you want to highlight defensible reasons as to why the job wasn't a good fit, that is on the right side of the line. Bad mouthing them is not.

Well, it depends on how infamous your old boss is. Some of my old coworkers went into an interview and said "I'm unemployed right now because my old CEO drove our firm into bankruptcy." That didn't seem to be a problem for them. :-)

But in most cases, don't say bad things about an old boss unless it would be unethical, illegal, or immoral not to. Even then, there are a zillion ways to make whatever disclosure you have to make without saying anything negative about the manager.

 
Wilson1823:

Leave it on there and explain that your boss was a jerk etc etc... spin it so it looks good for you. If you can get away with saying you quit - do that. Try to find one person at the firm that you did get along with, then use them as your reference. Get them to back up your story.

If you can't get even one person from the old firm to back up your story then maybe the problem's with you...

Horrible advice. If you ever talk bad about a previous employer, I am willing to bet you don't get the job. You can say it wasn't a good fit etc, but do not say your boss was 'a jerk' or anything close to it. Use someone else as a reference or get a notice of layoff in writing.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!
 

@kingtut I'm not 100% sure, but I think you need to fill out a specific IRS form to authorize them to pull your tax records, so there'd have to be another way to find it on a background check.

As for Wilson1823, I have a rule of never saying anything negative about old managers. There are negative things that I could say about various managers, but if you ask me about these people, they were all "great". If you are working for one of these guys, and it's the same group, I may tell you about certain aspects of the job that were more challenging than others. But if you can avoid speaking ill of an old manager in an interview, it's best to do so.

If you've decided that this kind of role wasn't really for you, perhaps the best answer is "It wasn't a perfect cultural fit."

 

@"IlliniProgrammer" I agree with you. I do not wanna say anything negative about my former employer, I'll look like an ass. I wanna be honest, I did make mistakes at the job. But did I make any major mistakes? No. Did it lead to any losses? No. Did I deserve to get fired, No (atleast IMO). To fire me without giving me an opportunity to rectify my mistakes or without giving me a probation period or giving me a last warning was wrong. Last week, my boss was talking to me about how we have to change our forecast model for all our products going forward. And I delivered on it. I simplified how commissions were gonna get calculated in 2014 and the cfo was very happy with my work. And then suddenly, on monday coming in at 840am became a reason to fire me? I dont think so....I can go on a rant about them here or to my friends, but to tell my potential future employer this or part of this during an interview is not right.

And I believe there's a way around W2/1099 which my mentor knows.

CS.Troy
 
CastaTroy:

@IlliniProgrammer I agree with you. I do not wanna say anything negative about my former employer, I'll look like an ass. I wanna be honest, I did make mistakes at the job. But did I make any major mistakes? No. Did it lead to any losses? No. Did I deserve to get fired, No (atleast IMO). To fire me without giving me an opportunity to rectify my mistakes or without giving me a probation period or giving me a last warning was wrong. Last week, my boss was talking to me about how we have to change our forecast model for all our products going forward. And I delivered on it. I simplified how commissions were gonna get calculated in 2014 and the cfo was very happy with my work. And then suddenly, on monday coming in at 840am became a reason to fire me? I dont think so....I can go on a rant about them here or to my friends, but to tell my potential future employer this or part of this during an interview is not right.

And I believe there's a way around W2/1099 which my mentor knows.

Well, it depends on whether there are other folks who agree with you or who agree with your boss.

Decisions to end employment are often a long time in the making and are rarely decided right at that moment. Sometimes they're not even about you, and sometimes the newest guy on the team can be the most vulnerable in a layoff. Don't take it personally.

 

Yeah, I have never heard of or encountered a company yanking tax returns to see where you worked.

I'd leave the job on and simply explain that it wasn't a good fit. You got laid off, something like that. Use your mentor as a reference and maybe as some extra work experience that way they get a positive with a negative if they go back and check your record.

 

In reference to the background check. If you plan on being employed with a larger firm they will likely use a third party company to do the check and it can get pretty invasive. If you used the employment at the firm as a reference to take out a loan for whatever reason then the firm will show up on your credit report as an employer. However, if you did not then there really isn't anyway they can see that you worked there wihtout you producing documents. The background check company will ask you to produce a paystub/W2 from your previous employer so you might have trouble bypassing that. I don't think your mentor would be able to fudge a W2 for you for the dates you said you were employed.

giddy up
 

It's not horrible advice, but you need a really, really good reason to badmouth your old boss in an interview with a new boss. 99% of the time, there's a way around badmouthing old bosses and old coworkers while still honestly explaining your situation or making disclosure to a friend who is about to take a job with your old boss.

I think that in this case, saying "bad cultural fit" is the way around saying bad boss. A shrewd hiring manager will know that there was some aspect you may not have liked about working with that firm, that team, or that boss, that you think is responsible for the separation but won't know exactly all of the details, and most reasonable interviewers won't press on that. A trader will probably cut to the chase and say "So you think your old boss was an asshole". At this point (and this is just me) I would just smile and say that I liked all of my old managers, including ____. I can't think of anything negative to say about him or anyone else I've worked for. Then you just keep repeating this line if you have to. Your old boss is none of their concern anyways, you have some policy of not speaking ill of old coworkers (even the ones you hated) and I think they'll get it.

Other people might be able to figure out how to couthely badmouth an old boss or old coworkers. I'm not socially adept enough to figure that one out (I have been accused of being one of the biggest surviving trolls on WSO, after all). I don't want the old coworkers that may have disliked me going around calling me an asshole, so why would I do that to them?

 

Lots of the stuff in this thread is extremely offbase. Background checks look to see if you worked where you said you worked . They aren't going to go searching for jobs you don't list unless it's on your U4. They have no way of knowing you worked there at all because no company or background check party will make you produce tax information. If you want to keep it off, keep it off. They have no way of knowing unless you are finra registered.

Frank Sinatra - "Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy."
 
yeahright:

Lots of the stuff in this thread is extremely offbase. Background checks look to see if you worked where you said you worked . They aren't going to go searching for jobs you don't list unless it's on your U4. They have no way of knowing you worked there at all because no company or background check party will make you produce tax information. If you want to keep it off, keep it off. They have no way of knowing unless you are finra registered.

Are you sure about this? I didn't know that, I was under the (baseless) assumption that a background check firm can find anything that has an official record such as on a W2.

For what it's worth, while I wouldn't recommend it in general, criticizing prior coworkers isn't always a losing tactic, assuming it is sincere and done with tact. Worst case scenario, just cite "creative differences" or "poor cultural fit".

As a side note, it's very easy to criticize someone without saying anything directly, by virtue of what you don't say, when considered in context of what you did say. Gotta love inference and subtext.

 

It might depend on a case by case basis but I know a friend who was fired after 4 months and did not ever report they worked there and it was never asked or brought up through any background checks. She's been there for almost a year now. I believe the company used 'HireRight' but not 100% sure.

Regardless, OP should not lie about working at the other company, that is definitely a no go. Plus, OP just filed for unemployment which means he had some job beforehand so another thing to avoid. Honesty is the best way.

Frank Sinatra - "Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy."
 

Go back into the office and offer to cage fight your old manager for his position. Set up an underground cage fight in North Philly, invite all your close friends and family as well as potential new employers( all financial firms have an HR rep dedicated to this...trust me). Keep your hands up, light on your feet, and go for the triangle choke as soon as you can (TKO's are the only respected form of cagefight wins in finance). As new acting manager of your old firm 1. Ruin your old managers reputation to the point where he leaves the country 2. Fire everyone of significance within the firm and then quit yourself 3. Accept a job at one of the megafunds who were aggressively courting you after witnessing your MMA prowess. Any Questions?

 

There's a lot of good advice on here.

As someone who lasted 5 weeks at a job when he was 26 (my 3rd job no less) I speak from experience here.

First, go file for unemployment today. Seriously. It's going to take you a little while to get hired somewhere else. You pay for this your entire career it will probably be your only time to take advantage. (I didn't - biggest mistake I made).

Second, do NOT put a different company on your resume or lie in any other way. Put the job and your responsibilities. You got let go at year end, it happens a lot. I'd answer the question vaguely (without lying) somehow along the lines of you being let go at year end. If you have anyone in the company that will be a decent reference that would help a lot.

Third, don't speak poorly on your old boss. There is no upside to doing that.

I'd seriously consider a new mentor. Everyone here gave you better advice than your mentor.

twitter: @CorpFin_Guy
 
accountingbyday:

There's a lot of good advice on here.

As someone who lasted 5 weeks at a job when he was 26 (my 3rd job no less) I speak from experience here.

First, go file for unemployment today. Seriously. It's going to take you a little while to get hired somewhere else. You pay for this your entire career it will probably be your only time to take advantage. (I didn't - biggest mistake I made).

Second, do NOT put a different company on your resume or lie in any other way. Put the job and your responsibilities. You got let go at year end, it happens a lot. I'd answer the question vaguely (without lying) somehow along the lines of you being let go at year end. If you have anyone in the company that will be a decent reference that would help a lot.

Third, don't speak poorly on your old boss. There is no upside to doing that.

I'd seriously consider a new mentor. Everyone here gave you better advice than your mentor.

I already filed for unemployment, so I have that covered. And I was working for my mentor's firm before hand though part time. I went for meetings, represented the company, flew to california, mexico etc...

I agree that I have been given very sound advice here, no questions about it and I thank each and everyone for it.

Right now my focus is to keep my self busy while applying for full time job. I am starting a non profit, making sales calls for my friends company (not gonna put this on my resume but this will be extra income for me). Preferably I wanna get a job in corporate finance but best case scenario would be atleast a month /month and a half gap on my resume. Anything I can do in the meantime which would look better on my resume? What if I go 2 months without a job? What abour 3months? 6 months?

CS.Troy
 

I don't know if this is viable, but how about saying you left your previous employer (canned, whatever), in order to pursue your friend's part-time job because it was more entrepreneurial or reason XYZ? 1) You aren't omitting prior work experience, 2) there is no gap in your work experience, as you are now working at your mentor's firm. Story ties out.

 

Put your job on your CV and apply to all of their rival firms. When you interview you rip the assholes of your previous employer open and bitch about them.

@"DickFuld" should be a great reference as to why this is a golden idea.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

Let's do a complete run-down of this situation:

I have a professional mentor and she suggested this : leave out my work ex at that finance firm from my resume all together. She has a small company (not finance related) and told me to put her company's name instead of the place I got fired from. I was already working for her part time to gain experience and extra money so I don't see a problem in doing what she suggested.

The problem is it's a lie. You can certainly put down this part-time work on your resume exactly as it actually was: Part-time work. But to have it on there INSTEAD OF what you were actually doing for 8 months full time is deception.

My questions are these -
1) Do people here think this is good strategy? (leaving a past employer completely out and erasing from you life all together)

No. It's a lie.
2) Someone in the future (soon, I hope) will do a background check on me. Will this come back and bite me in the ass? (pertaining towards pay stubs, w-2 form etc.)

Thanks to all in advance.

Possibly. And if they see that and decide your character is questionable they'd be right.
I am thinking about emailing my manager (who fired me) asking him to give a reference, if not a positive one then at least not a negative one.
That's one of your better ideas in this thread. If the manager says no then you lose nothing.
Last week, my boss was talking to me about how we have to change our forecast model for all our products going forward. And I delivered on it. I simplified how commissions were gonna get calculated in 2014 and the cfo was very happy with my work. And then suddenly, on monday coming in at 840am became a reason to fire me? I dont think so....I can go on a rant about them here or to my friends, but to tell my potential future employer this or part of this during an interview is not right.
If this is all actually true, then why the hell would you decide to erase that experience? So if you lied about this and don't say that you worked there you can't point to that experience as a concrete demonstration of your work product. It's silly. If you're telling the truth that you did a good job and got fired any way you'd have no good reason to lie and throw away that experience. If an interviewer asks you why you got laid off you can say you're certain it wasn't because of performance and then just give that example of what you did at the job. They're not going to really question it hard if you pitch it correctly. A future employer is concerned with THEIR evaluation of you.
What if she is able to produce a pay stub and fudge the W2 form..?
See now you're just being sketchy as hell. Now I'm thinking you may just be a scumbag and that had to do with you being fired. You're talking about committing deliberate fraud.

This is probably very harsh, but I don't think someone with your thought process is someone I would hire. You're asking if it's okay to commit fraud because you're too scared of what some hypothetical potential employer would think. One thing I have learned from personal experience dealing with liars is that the lies never stop and the liar can always justify it to themselves. This thread makes you look extremely bad, much worse than just losing your job. You're also refusing to actually look at it from an interviewer's perspective. If I spend an hour having a discussion with you about your resume and it turns out you were being deceptive the entire time, I'd be pissed and you certainly would never be hired by me. I would step back and really try to figure out why you were fired. If it's because you're naturally a deceptive person you need help beyond WSO.

 
Thurnis Haley:

Let's do a complete run-down of this situation:

So, there are a couple of different issues here on the moral front.

If you aspire to the highest standards of honesty, you have to put it on your resume and disclose the details of your firing in gory detail.

If you are a pathological liar, you claim you worked FT for your mentor.

If you are like most people in the business world- reasonably honest but not to the extent of voluntarily disclosing adverse information that could really hurt them- you leave the ugliest stuff off of your resume and avoid drawing attention to it. One sketch here is that if OP thinks this could hurt him, he leaves out the FT work, focuses on the PT work on his resume and in his interviews, and hopes they don't ask him too many questions about how he spent the rest of his week. None of this is lying, although one could call it a lie of omission.

Yes, there is this high standard for ethics. But the last group of people who wanted to hold this up and make everyone else follow the standard and going after people who didn't were this group of people from 2000 years ago who were always arguing and fighting with this guy from Nazareth. (Ok, maybe there was also the Moral Majority). Let's not be dishonest, but let's not be naive either. Let's just not make the world worse.

 
IlliniProgrammer:
Thurnis Haley:

Let's do a complete run-down of this situation:

So, there are a couple of different issues here on the moral front.

If you aspire to the highest standards of honesty, you have to put it on your resume and disclose the details of your firing in gory detail.

If you are a pathological liar, you claim you worked FT for your mentor.

If you are like most people in the business world- reasonably honest but not to the extent of voluntarily disclosing adverse information that could really hurt them- you leave the ugliest stuff off of your resume and avoid drawing attention to it. One sketch here is that if OP thinks this could hurt him, he leaves out the FT work, focuses on the PT work on his resume and in his interviews, and hopes they don't ask him too many questions about how he spent the rest of his week. None of this is lying, although one could call it a lie of omission.

Yes, there is this high standard for ethics. But the last group of people who wanted to hold this up and make everyone else follow the standard and going after people who didn't were this group of people from 2000 years ago who were always arguing and fighting with this guy from Nazareth. (Ok, maybe there was also the Moral Majority). Let's not be dishonest, but let's not be naive either. Let's just not make the world worse.

I could maybe see leaving it off the resume and just steering conversations well away from it but you have to admit exploring the possibility of forging pay stubs and W2 forms is an entirely different level. That's well beyond sketchy at that point.

 

Sure.

But the kid is beaten down and a bit desperate. It's one thing to do it; it's another thing to consider it.

There are a lot of things that people think about doing that would make them sociopaths if they actually went through with it. This may be one of those cases, but it's more minor.

After a long difficult day as a quant on the trading floor, there are many things that I have considered doing that would make me much more of a sociopath than this guy fudging a W2. Since I'm not a sociopath, these were just ideas that I never did anything with and rejected the next morning. But sometimes when people are really really feeling down and out, they make some of their crazier ideas public.

I really think the best thing we can do here is to steer OP away from things that he will later regret when he is back on his feet, which is what I think has largely been happening.

 

Stay strong buddy. Listen to Illini, and my personal recommendation would be to not fudge and leave it on the resume. Things come back to bite us, whether in the short term or long term. You'll be fine if you're hungry and willing to do the work. Probably better that you got fired, you might find an ever better job you never imagined you would land.

 

Believe it or not, people get fired all the time, especially in finance. No one cares about it as much as you think they do or you do yourself. Leave it on your resume, smile, don't speak negatively about the firm or the people, say it wasn't a good fit. Leave it at that. I'm a bit more experienced than most people on this thread - people are smarter than you might think...obviously leaving w/o something else lined up suggests you were encouraged to resign, fired, or just so fed up that you quit voluntarily. Don't lie. No one cares why you left unless it was something heinous like gross negligence, fraud, etc. This type of thing happens very often, people are understanding but don't lie. I have a very good BS-detector, as do a lot of others that are out of their 20s.

This bears repeating in slightly other words only because some of the comments here are well-meaning but naive or completely misleading....

If you're sitting across the table from me interviewing for a job and not currently working, I'm going to assume you were fired. Guess what...I don't care. Most other people don’t care either. Leave it at that. You will kill any chance you have in an interview if you're perceived as deceitful or trying to hide something.

I don’t want to tell you how many people I’ve met that killed any chance they had by getting caught in a lie over something that’s not even worth lying about. PM me if this doesn’t make sense.

 
jrr253:

Believe it or not, people get fired all the time, especially in finance. No one cares about it as much as you think they do or you do yourself. Leave it on your resume, smile, don't speak negatively about the firm or the people, say it wasn't a good fit. Leave it at that. I'm a bit more experienced than most people on this thread - people are smarter than you might think...obviously leaving w/o something else lined up suggests you were encouraged to resign, fired, or just so fed up that you quit voluntarily. Don't lie. No one cares why you left unless it was something heinous like gross negligence, fraud, etc. This type of thing happens very often, people are understanding but don't lie. I have a very good BS-detector, as do a lot of others that are out of their 20s.

This bears repeating in slightly other words only because some of the comments here are well-meaning but naive or completely misleading....

If you're sitting across the table from me interviewing for a job and not currently working, I'm going to assume you were fired. Guess what...I don't care. Most other people don’t care either. Leave it at that. You will kill any chance you have in an interview if you're perceived as deceitful or trying to hide something.

I don’t want to tell you how many people I’ve met that killed any chance they had by getting caught in a lie over something that’s not even worth lying about. PM me if this doesn’t make sense.

Very good advice.

 
  1. Try not to stress out too much. People get fired and laid off all the time and they bounce back.

  2. DO NOT badmouth your old manager or firm. You'll look bad.

  3. Come up with an excuse/reason for why you're no longer there that's plausible. Business was slow, the nature of the work changed and they needed someone with a different skill set, poor cultural fit...whatever. Something other than "I got fired."

  4. File for unemployment. It's pretty damn easy in most places. It should be enough to cover your rent + groceries (well, depending on your rent).

  5. See if you can find some sort of temp/volunteer/contract/pro-bono work that will plug the gap in your resume. It will make you more confident in interviews and talking about your experience. It will show that you're able to bounce back and do something productive.

 

Hi, first and foremost..thanks to all for replying, people in this thread has given me really solid advice and I thank wanna thank you all.

I have decided that I am going to keep this job I got fired from on my resume. I did a lot of soul searching, realization, reading the comments here, talking to friends/family etc and realized that lying about this does not have a lot of upside.

@ThurnisHaley talking about something and actually executing it are two different things....If I was a fraud, do you think I would've really posted anything here?

@everyoneelse - I need help with my resume. I have a lead on a FP&A job in the city which really down my alley (coming from CF) and I feel like I am perfect for it. If anyone can help me out, I would really really appreciate it.

CS.Troy
 

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