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I just went 3 days without sleep to see what i-banking felt like...honestly I don't believe ANY of you! (My hourly breakdown)

No, this is not a joke. So we've all heard from multiple sources that the typical first-year analyst's day goes from 6AM through 3AM, leaving about 3 hours of sleep in-between. Many of you still even had chances to work out.

So I tried to emulate the exact mental and physical strain to see what it felt like (and if I could take it). Don't worry -- this is my winter break.

Background: I'm 21 YRO, around the age of most first-year analysts. I'm a pretty healthy guy.

I started 3 days ago:

Saturday 6AM - Wake up

Saturday 11PM - Not tired at all yet. Dig up next semester's "Intro to Stochastic Models" textbook and start cramming the first 3 chapters.

Saturday 3AM - Starting to feel drowsy, not to mention incredibly BORED and exhausted from doing textbook review questions non-stop for 4 hours. I grab some redbull, took a shower.

Saturday 7AM - First 24 hours awake. In order to emulate the physical strain as well, I grab my coat and walked (not drive) 20 minutes to McDonalds for breakfast then walked 20 minutes back.

Saturday 12PM - Ate lunch. That did it. The extra load of food must've knocked me out because I don't even remember falling asleep.

Saturday 3PM - Woke up (my stereo was still blasting). Got 3 hours of sleep. Back to "work."

Saturday 11PM - Had some drinks with friends. (to emulate drinking and partying on no-sleep)

Sunday 2AM - left the bar early. I was about to pass out, not from alcohol, but I was so godammn tired!!

  • Went home. Set alarm for 5AM. Passed out asleep -

Sunday 5AM - Took cold shower. Took out stochastic models textbook again.

Sunday 10PM - Sat at desk all day and I've worked through 50% of the book by now. (completely new material). ENORMOUS headache. Drank 2 cans of Rockstar energy. By now it took me 10 minutes just to read a new paragraph. My eyes could barely open and I couldn't even multiply 346x17 by hand without getting it wrong! I could barely comprehend what I was reading, even after switching over to my USA Today paper.

Monday 2AM - My entire body is now FREEZING despite my thermostat set at 82F. I'm getting bad chest pains. My left hand felt numb. I set my alarm for 6AM and passed out.

Monday 6AM - Took me 40 minutes of hitting snooze to finally get up. I have a MASSIVE HEADACHE the size of texas, mild chest pains, and am about to throw up. I took a shower, ate breakfast, and came onto WSO to let you guys know that this is IMPOSSIBLE!

By the time I hit 36 hours of no sleep, either I passed out without me knowing it, or my comprehension and mental abilities shrunk to the size of an acorn. There is no way in hell a first-year analyst won't be making 100000000 errors on his excel spreadsheets at this comprehension level. Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets bad chest pains doing this. I'm a really healthy/athletic guy too.

Also, wasn't there some research done a while back that continuous sleep-loss can lead to sudden death? I don't see any analysts collapsing.

So in conclusion, I DO NOT believe that the typical analyst works from 6AM to 3AM day after day, and STILL have time and energy to hit the gym and go clubbing. It's biologically INFEASIBLE unless you want an irregular heartbeat somewhere along the way.

Prove me wrong, please. ps: I just got notes for half the textbook already for NEXT SEMESTER. So some good came out of this :D

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Comments (399)

Apr 23, 2016
JPMoreGuns:
Duke4Lyfe:

I heard the general banking pool at Lazard in NYC is pretty relaxed as well. A friend said he got out at 8 or 9pm most nights this summer.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe over the summer because they weren't that busy (not really a good thing), but that is not the norm. Apparently the Lazard analysts were told that they all need to be staying later in the office (i.e. well past 10 PM) even if they don't have work to do, because it reflects poorly upon the firm not to do so.

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Apr 23, 2016
Duke4Lyfe:

I heard the general banking pool at Lazard in NYC is pretty relaxed as well. A friend said he got out at 8 or 9pm most nights this summer.

God no. I heard they had summers pulling 120 there. Full-timers are almost always 100+ and they work for those hundred hours...No "time on the beach" there.

ThaVanBurenBoyz:

Ok, saw the name Baird pop up twice. Maybe it's different elsewhere, but in Milwaukee and Chicago, they're working typical IB hours.

I didn't mean they work good, "normal business" hours, but they are just less likely to do inhumane stuff like consecutive all-nighters, full weekends at work, etc. Don't discount the difference between going home a 11:00pm and 2:00am...both are damn late, but one will let you feel semi-normal the next day.

Apr 23, 2016

Guys, sorry i forgot to attach the link.

I understand that at its current form hours are necessary in IB for the most part. BUT, i was wondering if this is really true. Seems like some people suggested some firms that are different, I'll check them out for curiosity. My thinking is, can this change? In my opinion, it can if on every level the firm emphasized efficiency.

I understand that every profession will require long hours from time to time and in busy season (especially senior management). Sometimes I don't mind the long hours because i enjoy the work. but in banking it's non stop and it's all analysts. I'm not really complaining just trying to discuss the status quo...which is you must have long hours in IB.

Do what you want not what you can!

Apr 23, 2016

Ok, saw the name Baird pop up twice. Maybe it's different elsewhere, but in Milwaukee and Chicago, they're working typical IB hours.

Apr 23, 2016

Why don't they just hire more people and pay them less. Is there something inherent to the work that makes it indivisible?

Apr 23, 2016
Jayjay12:

Why don't they just hire more people and pay them less. Is there something inherent to the work that makes it indivisible?

There's a pretty in depth article on M&I about this somewhere if you can find it

Apr 23, 2016
meph:
Jayjay12:

Why don't they just hire more people and pay them less. Is there something inherent to the work that makes it indivisible?

There's a pretty in depth article on M&I about this somewhere if you can find it

Yep - to sum it up in one word: accountability.

Apr 23, 2016

+1 on accountability. People want to know exactly who to rhetorically own.

Apr 23, 2016

The only thing I've ever heard of Lazard was the exact opposite of that: minimal facetime because they value getting work done effectively ... but you're still there 90 a week because of the sweatshoppiness.

Apr 23, 2016

My friend said the general banking pool was very chill. He said all industry groups were like that (busy as hell, tons of hours, etc.), but said the quasi-generalist pool was very easy. He said he went in expecting it to be tons of hours and was pleasantly surprised.

Apr 23, 2016

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Apr 23, 2016

False urgency. Haven't heard a more fitting term.

Apr 23, 2016

Personally, I hate sleep - what a waste of time! Long hours are one of the pluses of IBanking, in my opinion of course.

Apr 23, 2016
islandbanker:

Personally, I hate sleep - what a waste of time! Long hours are one of the pluses of IBanking, in my opinion of course.

This is sad

Apr 23, 2016

stephens energy

A friend who worked at Baird Chicago got destroyed... consistent 110+ with no let up

Apr 23, 2016

Cranking out models all day doesn't use a lot of brain power. Therefore, you don't need to be at 100% everyday to do something that requires 20-30% of your brain. Getting a model out in 1 day using 20% of your brain is more important than getting it out in 3 days and still using 20% of your brain.

Apr 23, 2016

Other than the common sense things to improve the quality of your sleep, there really are no shortcuts. Many of my co-workers abuse prescription stimulants...not openly of course.

Apr 23, 2016

20 minute "bathroom" breaks

Apr 23, 2016
Anacott_CEO:

20 minute "bathroom" breaks

Won't masturbating just make you more tired?

Apr 23, 2016
FreezePops:
Anacott_CEO:

20 minute "bathroom" breaks

Won't masturbating just make you more tired?

"Why are you doing this?"

"Why do I love my mom so much?"

"Why do kids start at different reading levels?"

"Why are girls pretty?"

"Why do I get sleepy after I touch myself?"

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Apr 23, 2016

When I had to work long hours, I was only able to do it when I began to eat better. More water and tea (real tea, not that lipton bag bullshit) and regular breakfast, lunch, snack, dinner. Additionally, if you can work out for even a half hour 3-4 days a week, it'll improve the way you feel tremendously. One other thing that I found unlikely was where I slept; I switched to a hard mattress and after a while, found myself needing less sleep than ever.

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Apr 23, 2016

Military discipline.

Apr 23, 2016

I would check you don't have sleep apnea. A lot of guys that have it don't realise it, if you snore a lot you should get it checked out. Obviously it is normal to be tired, but if you are a zombie on 10-11 hours of work for a day it might be worth checking out.

Apr 23, 2016

Waking up in REM sleep is also important in feeling awake and alert when you wake up. Obviously, if you don't get enough sleep you will get tired quicker, but you will feel significantly better if you wake up during the REM stage of sleep. One way to time this is the website sleepyti.me--It tells you either what time you need to go to sleep if you have to wake up at a certain time(and includes the 14 minute average fall asleep time), or you can put in what time you are going to go to sleep and it will tell you when to set your alarm.

I did this for every exam I had early in school when I had to stay up late the night before, and it worked really well. Not sure how much it will help, but could be worth a shot.

Apr 23, 2016
leveRAGE.:

Waking up in REM sleep is also important in feeling awake and alert when you wake up. Obviously, if you don't get enough sleep you will get tired quicker, but you will feel significantly better if you wake up during the REM stage of sleep. One way to time this is the website sleepyti.me--It tells you either what time you need to go to sleep if you have to wake up at a certain time(and includes the 14 minute average fall asleep time), or you can put in what time you are going to go to sleep and it will tell you when to set your alarm.

I did this for every exam I had early in school when I had to stay up late the night before, and it worked really well. Not sure how much it will help, but could be worth a shot.

You could try one of these?
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Hf3470-60-Wake-up-Li...
I'll be grabbing one in the coming weeks, however its use may go beyond making it easier to get up in the mornings. I think what the OP is looking for is sustained energy, which has, from my experience, come from doing the things that FSC mentioned. The most important of them is EATING, but eating in moderation. Eating too much at once makes you a zombie, and I'm sure we've all had that after-lunch hangover. For example, I am at work right now after a late night studying for finals, but I had a sandwich and pastry for breakfast, will be eating a yogurt in the few minutes, a sandwich for lunch, you see where I'm going with this.

So there's a strange balance, nothing drains you like not having food while too much food makes you lethargic. Add to that some regular exercise and mild stimulants and you'll be Mr. Perky in no time.

Apr 23, 2016

Melatonin ~30 minutes before bed.

Work out whenever you can. People say not to exercise before bed, but that seems kind of bogus: if you do light exercise, you won't be too wired to sleep; if you do lifting, sprints, or swimming, you can exhaust yourself pretty easily.

Google "Provigil." It's not right for everyone, but some people swear by it. And of course other prescription stimulants can help.

Apr 23, 2016
bananadine:

Melatonin ~30 minutes before bed.

Work out whenever you can. People say not to exercise before bed, but that seems kind of bogus: if you do light exercise, you won't be too wired to sleep; if you do lifting, sprints, or swimming, you can exhaust yourself pretty easily.

Google "Provigil." It's not right for everyone, but some people swear by it. And of course other prescription stimulants can help.

Provigil (modafinil) isn't that common in the US, at least from what I have seen.

Apr 23, 2016

Provigil is somewhat hard to get prescribed, but is probably the most effective drug out there. Too effective actually. Honestly, just squeeze a quick workout into the middle of your day and your life will be a lot better. If you can't find the time for it, then the only thing you can do is maybe focus on eating better. An apple in the morning is better than a cup of coffee. So try eating fruit throughout the day.

For the record, any firm that didn't allow me an hour during the day to work out would never, ever have me as an employee for more than a day.

Apr 23, 2016

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Apr 23, 2016

I agree with the general sentiment that you will benefit from improved diet and exercise. Everyone enjoys different activites but I personally advocate swimming as it is great for cardio and muscle development.

Apr 23, 2016

Guys thanks in general for all your responses!

@leveRAGE - I'm going to give this sleep timer thing a go first. I'll do some more research on sleep and let you know how it all goes

@bonks - that sleep light seems like a good idea. If I'm still having trouble waking up in the dark and at weird hours I'll definitely give it a go. I might also see if there are any cheap Chinese ones (just as a proof of concept). I'll pass on any links I find. Can you let me know how yours goes?

@bananadine - Provigil will be a last resort, but I'll look into sourcing some for those time I need to just get over the line.

Does anyone find their sleep habits effect how much sleep they need? Can you condition yourself to less sleep? Does sleeping 12 hours on the weekend screw you up on a Monday when you have to get up after only 5-7 say. Again, thanks in advance...

Apr 23, 2016
lloydmof:

. Any tips on weird sleep regimes or whatever that help get you over the line?

when my 1st sun was born i got a chest tat that said "I'LL SLEEP WHEN I'M DAD" but then i realized that dont make no sense, tryna get it removed now

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Apr 23, 2016

Eating better foods has helped me out A LOT in terms of having more energy throughout the day. Especially high quality carbs like oatmeal and brown rice. They don't taste good but a big bowl of quakers in the morning has helped me get through the day on so many occasions when I haven't had a lot of time to sleep the night before.

Apr 23, 2016

maxing out at 70-80, really?

Apr 23, 2016

v neck

Apr 23, 2016
BCbanker:

I have my mornings down to 7 minutes from alarm to out the door. I always shower the night before, leave my contacts (dailies) at work, have suit ready to go, get my coffee after I get in, and have even gone as far as leaving dry cleaning at my desk so that I can put my dress shirt on when I get to work.

This is frighteningly good. I'm concerned you're leaving out important hygiene steps.

Apr 23, 2016
andyinsandiego:
BCbanker:

I have my mornings down to 7 minutes from alarm to out the door. I always shower the night before, leave my contacts (dailies) at work, have suit ready to go, get my coffee after I get in, and have even gone as far as leaving dry cleaning at my desk so that I can put my dress shirt on when I get to work.

This is frighteningly good. I'm concerned you're leaving out important hygiene steps.

Shaving?

Simplicity is the highest form of sophistication ~ Leonardo da Vinci

Apr 23, 2016
arant:
andyinsandiego:
BCbanker:

I have my mornings down to 7 minutes from alarm to out the door. I always shower the night before, leave my contacts (dailies) at work, have suit ready to go, get my coffee after I get in, and have even gone as far as leaving dry cleaning at my desk so that I can put my dress shirt on when I get to work.

This is frighteningly good. I'm concerned you're leaving out important hygiene steps.

Shaving?

Speaking of shaving, what's the attitude on facial hair at BB banks? Shaving every few days or always clean-shaven, etc?

Apr 23, 2016
bulge_bracket:
arant:
andyinsandiego:
BCbanker:

I have my mornings down to 7 minutes from alarm to out the door. I always shower the night before, leave my contacts (dailies) at work, have suit ready to go, get my coffee after I get in, and have even gone as far as leaving dry cleaning at my desk so that I can put my dress shirt on when I get to work.

This is frighteningly good. I'm concerned you're leaving out important hygiene steps.

Shaving?

Speaking of shaving, what's the attitude on facial hair at BB banks? Shaving every few days or always clean-shaven, etc?

Clean shaven 100%. I missed a day once and was told by a VP I looked "homeless".

Apr 23, 2016
bulge_bracket:
arant:
andyinsandiego:
BCbanker:

I have my mornings down to 7 minutes from alarm to out the door. I always shower the night before, leave my contacts (dailies) at work, have suit ready to go, get my coffee after I get in, and have even gone as far as leaving dry cleaning at my desk so that I can put my dress shirt on when I get to work.

This is frighteningly good. I'm concerned you're leaving out important hygiene steps.

Shaving?

Speaking of shaving, what's the attitude on facial hair at BB banks? Shaving every few days or always clean-shaven, etc?

Unless you had an all nighter or round robin, thers no excuse for your face not to be as smooth as a baby's a s s.

I can't operate without coffee in the morning. So I bought one of those coffee machines that starts brewing at a set time. Coffee in hand + waking up to coffee aroma + no time in the morning wasted = pretty decent morning. Only waking up to the smell of bacon or a BJ, could be better.

Apr 23, 2016

V-neck under the shirt unless it's white. Otherwise when you're not wearing a tie you look like a 7th grader wearing an undershirt under their Hollister polo.

BC, what level bank do you work at? I'm a bit surprised you're allowed to come into work without even a dress shirt on?

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Apr 23, 2016

You do live within walking distance of work, right?

Commute is a huge factor in sleep time. If you are commuting in from Brooklyn every morning, you could get an extra 30 minutes of sleep spending an extra $700/month and living on 11th Ave or Ave A; 40-45 minutes if you spend an extra $900 and live more like 8th Ave/ Lexington Ave.

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:

You do live within walking distance of work, right?

Commute is a huge factor in sleep time. If you are commuting in from Brooklyn every morning, you could get an extra 30 minutes of sleep spending an extra $700/month and living on 11th Ave or Ave A; 40-45 minutes if you spend an extra $900 and live more like 8th Ave/ Lexington Ave.

11th avenue? I mean cmon man why not just live in a cardboard box on the West Side Highway? Quality of life people...saving 6k a year is not worth living in this neighborhood.

Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:

11th avenue? I mean cmon man why not just live in a cardboard box on the West Side Highway? Quality of life people...saving 6k a year is not worth living in this neighborhood.

$200/month buys a lot of PBR and a lot of dividend stocks. Why not get some exercise and save the money?

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:
Bondarb:

11th avenue? I mean cmon man why not just live in a cardboard box on the West Side Highway? Quality of life people...saving 6k a year is not worth living in this neighborhood.

$200/month buys a lot of PBR and a lot of dividend stocks. Why not get some exercise and save the money?

you only live once and its too short to live someplace shitty for an extra 200 bucks.

Apr 23, 2016

Wait, are you counting it as a time saving if you shower at night (and thus have to delay going to sleep by fifteen minites)?

Best thing I ever did for my morning routine was making coffee-at-home a weekends-only ritual. I'm amazed at how much time one cup of coffee adds to a morning routine, and that's ignoring prep time.

Apr 23, 2016
bananadine:

Wait, are you counting it as a time saving if you shower at night (and thus have to delay going to sleep by fifteen minites)?

Best thing I ever did for my morning routine was making coffee-at-home a weekends-only ritual. I'm amazed at how much time one cup of coffee adds to a morning routine, and that's ignoring prep time.

I don't know if most banks have free coffee machines or you have to buy your own there, but if you have to buy your own, I'd just point out that making your own will save you significant cash in the long run. Also the coffee will taste better if you grind your own beans. I'm jelly of the OP since he showers at night - I've got fine hair that looks like total greasy crap unless I shower in the morning so I have to do that. For those of us who shower in the morning though, I've found I can make coffee without much added time if I turn it on before I shower and then it's there waiting for me after. I also have one of those machines where you just put the beans in on top and the machine grinds them right there before brewing it, so it's a win-win for me.

Apr 23, 2016

v-neck

impressive routine. hope you brush your teeth

Apr 23, 2016

running late to work...still time to fap

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Apr 23, 2016

I listen to a song called weightless by Marconi Union every time I'm trying to fall asleep. This song is designed to reduce your heart rate and induce sleep. (You're advised not to listen to it while driving in the UK) I've yet to finish the song.

Apr 23, 2016

^You reminded me. This guy I knew used to have his gf wake him up with BJs every morning. It's only happened to me a few times, but god it would be impossibly to have a bad day with a routine like that.

Apr 23, 2016
eriginal:

^You reminded me. This guy I knew used to have his gf wake him up with BJs every morning. It's only happened to me a few times, but god it would be impossibly to have a bad day with a routine like that.

i'll wake you up with one if you'd like

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

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Apr 23, 2016
DeanPortman:
eriginal:

^You reminded me. This guy I knew used to have his gf wake him up with BJs every morning. It's only happened to me a few times, but god it would be impossibly to have a bad day with a routine like that.

i'll wake you up with one if you'd like

This is where I'd break your nose.

Apr 23, 2016
eriginal:
DeanPortman:
eriginal:

^You reminded me. This guy I knew used to have his gf wake him up with BJs every morning. It's only happened to me a few times, but god it would be impossibly to have a bad day with a routine like that.

i'll wake you up with one if you'd like

This is where I'd break your nose.

false...you'd stand no chance...i'm a bash brother

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

Apr 23, 2016
DeanPortman:
eriginal:
DeanPortman:
eriginal:

^You reminded me. This guy I knew used to have his gf wake him up with BJs every morning. It's only happened to me a few times, but god it would be impossibly to have a bad day with a routine like that.

i'll wake you up with one if you'd like

This is where I'd break your nose.

false...you'd stand no chance...i'm a bash brother

Unfortunately we'll never know.

Apr 23, 2016

Wow, 7 minutes. Impressive. Also, v-neck or none.

Apr 23, 2016

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Apr 23, 2016

V neck. I have a super short routine as well; albeit not 7 minutes. Shower/shave night before (a strong 5'oclock shadow though) brush teeth, wash face, a little water/comb, all clothes laid out from night before. Starbucks on corner...done.

Apr 23, 2016

lmao

Apr 23, 2016

i couldn't stand not showering in the morning.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

Apr 23, 2016
sayandarula:

i couldn't stand not showering in the morning.

4 reel, thats just plane nassy

Apr 23, 2016

Great thread.

What about the before bed routine.

My decompression activities are too time-consuming (about an hour or 2), but if I try to go straight to bed when running on little sleep, I either won't be able to fall asleep (weird how that works) or will keep jerking awake every couple minutes.

Also don't underestimate the importance of a good mattress. I def. feel better rested on a tempurpedic than anything else. The difference is probably marginal for when you get decent 8 hours or so, but for 2-3-4-5 hour sleeps the improvement is appreciable.

More is good, all is better

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Apr 23, 2016
Argonaut:

Great thread.

What about the before bed routine.

My decompression activities are too time-consuming (about an hour or 2), but if I try to go straight to bed when running on little sleep, I either won't be able to fall asleep (weird how that works) or will keep jerking awake every couple minutes.

It takes you an hour or 2 to beat off?

Apr 23, 2016
SECfinance:
Argonaut:

Great thread.

What about the before bed routine.

My decompression activities are too time-consuming (about an hour or 2), but if I try to go straight to bed when running on little sleep, I either won't be able to fall asleep (weird how that works) or will keep jerking off every couple minutes.

It takes you an hour or 2 to beat off?

fixed it for you

Apr 23, 2016
SECfinance:
Argonaut:

Great thread.

What about the before bed routine.

My decompression activities are too time-consuming (about an hour or 2), but if I try to go straight to bed when running on little sleep, I either won't be able to fall asleep (weird how that works) or will keep jerking awake every couple minutes.

It takes you an hour or 2 to beat off?

Actually it does take a lot longer than usual when I'm really tired

More is good, all is better

Apr 23, 2016

Impressive, I thought I was quick. I usually shower the night before, it saves time in the morning and I hate going to bed feeling grimy from the gym. Wake up, brush teeth, wash face, fix hair, get dressed, walk out the door. Coffee free in the office. Usually out in 15 minutes.

I also hate undershirts, but I do wear a beater everyday. Much lighter

Apr 23, 2016

Taking a shower the night before is not the same... you sweat in your sleep man.

Apr 23, 2016

My routine is something like this:

Night before:
-Shower right before getting to bed
-Mane and Tail (another conditioner) to make my hair manageable in the morning. I always wake up with bad hair, but some water and a thick brush after good ol' Mane make my hair Bateman-like in 20th of the time (I don't like gel).
-Shave in the shower. I specifically bought a fogless mirror for this. Being in the shower makes shaving a better experience (easier/faster/less painful/less bloody) vs shaving in the morning for me. It softens the beard and the skin and probably saves a few blades.
-Usually reading before falling asleep

Morning:
-Alarm sounds 15 min before I need to wake up. It is really a waste of sleep, because it is usually snoozed 3 times. When I have a late night, I actually set it closer to when I need to get in at work.
-I prepare my shirts the night before by leaving only the top 2 buttons ubuttoned. Also -> V-necks lined up, suit and pants on the chair, tie in inside pocket, etc.
-In the past, I have skipped brushing because of being sleep deprived more than I would like to admit. Chewing gum did not work very well as a poor excuse for an alternative, but surprisingly Listerine did. Now when I have one of those nights I just Listerine while brushing my hair.
-I really should be switching between my slip-ons and my Park Aves more often on my way out

I do the living on 11th avenue thing IP mentioned, which is a significant time saver. My work location is not perfect for me but I still walk there in less than 25 min. Cabbing it could be between 8 and 16 min.

Apr 23, 2016

V neck feels so much better!

No breakfast? A good breakfast makes me function so much better.

Apr 23, 2016

grey v-neck

Apr 23, 2016

In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

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Apr 23, 2016
blueberryrain:

In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

faggot

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

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Apr 23, 2016
DeanPortman:
blueberryrain:

In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

faggot

Who is this faggot Dean?

More is good, all is better

Apr 23, 2016
Argonaut:
DeanPortman:
blueberryrain:

In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

faggot

Who is this faggot Dean?

Anyone that quotes American psycho because they're on a wall street site is

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

Apr 23, 2016

Yes, and you'll live two years longer if you get more exercise!

But seriously, the entirety of NYC is shitty. Why anyone would CHOOSE to stay in this godforsaken city is beyond me. Every dollar you save is a few fewer minutes that you have to put up with honking cabs, polluted air, and obnoxious northeasterners.

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:

Yes, and you'll live two years longer if you get more exercise!

But seriously, the entirety of NYC is shitty. Why anyone would CHOOSE to stay in this godforsaken city is beyond me. Every dollar you save is a few fewer minutes that you have to put up with honking cabs, polluted air, and obnoxious northeasterners.

Agreed.

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:

Yes, and you'll live two years longer if you get more exercise!

But seriously, the entirety of NYC is shitty. Why anyone would CHOOSE to stay in this godforsaken city is beyond me. Every dollar you save is a few fewer minutes that you have to put up with honking cabs, polluted air, and obnoxious northeasterners.

If you think its a good idea to live on 11th ave in midtown then i can understand why you hate NYC. You should move.

Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:

If you think its a good idea to live on 11th ave in midtown then i can understand why you hate NYC. You should move.

Bingo. I like fresh air and views of things besides concrete, pigeons, rats, concrete, cars with broken mufflers, and people. You get a little bit of that on Ave A. You don't get that on Lexington Ave.

Seriously, why anyone would CHOOSE to live in this city longer than they have to is beyond me. New York is the 6th circle of hell. (Newark being the 7th).

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Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:
Bondarb:

If you think its a good idea to live on 11th ave in midtown then i can understand why you hate NYC. You should move.

Bingo. I like fresh air and views of things besides concrete, pigeons, rats, concrete, cars with broken mufflers, and people. You get a little bit of that on Ave A. You don't get that on Lexington Ave.

Seriously, why anyone would CHOOSE to live in this city longer than they have to is beyond me. New York is the 6th circle of hell. (Newark being the 7th).

I agree... NYC is a sh!thole... I would only live there if I had to work ridiculous hours. Even so I def wouldn't pay a premium to live in the "nicest" areas. To live like a normal human being you essentially need to live in a $5,000,000 upper East-side million apartment... why not just move to the suburbs and get that quality + more for $800,000? Plus during the commute you can sleep or do work anyway.

Apr 23, 2016
mb666:
IlliniProgrammer:
Bondarb:

If you think its a good idea to live on 11th ave in midtown then i can understand why you hate NYC. You should move.

Bingo. I like fresh air and views of things besides concrete, pigeons, rats, concrete, cars with broken mufflers, and people. You get a little bit of that on Ave A. You don't get that on Lexington Ave.

Seriously, why anyone would CHOOSE to live in this city longer than they have to is beyond me. New York is the 6th circle of hell. (Newark being the 7th).

I agree... NYC is a sh!thole... I would only live there if I had to work ridiculous hours. Even so I def wouldn't pay a premium to live in the "nicest" areas. To live like a normal human being you essentially need to live in a $5,000,000 upper East-side million apartment... why not just move to the suburbs and get that quality + more for $800,000? Plus during the commute you can sleep or do work anyway.

if u think the UES is the best place to live in new york then move to IlliniPorgrammer's farm...plse learn something about this city before you make statements about whether it is good or bad.

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:
Bondarb:

If you think its a good idea to live on 11th ave in midtown then i can understand why you hate NYC. You should move.

Bingo. I like fresh air and views of things besides concrete, pigeons, rats, concrete, cars with broken mufflers, and people. You get a little bit of that on Ave A. You don't get that on Lexington Ave.

Seriously, why anyone would CHOOSE to live in this city longer than they have to is beyond me. New York is the 6th circle of hell. (Newark being the 7th).

My view is of the hudson river on one side and the Empire State Building on the other. People who dont get NYC and prefer fresh air should leave. But dont call it a circle of hell...its just not meant for you and you werent meant to enjoy it. But please dont be so arrogant as to insult one of the few truly international cities in the World just because you dont fit in...the bottom line is that if you'd rather be in a cornfield then in a great city with many of the most interesting people from all over the World then the problem is with you, not the city.

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Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:
IlliniProgrammer:
Bondarb:

If you think its a good idea to live on 11th ave in midtown then i can understand why you hate NYC. You should move.

Bingo. I like fresh air and views of things besides concrete, pigeons, rats, concrete, cars with broken mufflers, and people. You get a little bit of that on Ave A. You don't get that on Lexington Ave.

Seriously, why anyone would CHOOSE to live in this city longer than they have to is beyond me. New York is the 6th circle of hell. (Newark being the 7th).

My view is of the hudson river on one side and the Empire State Building on the other. People who dont get NYC and prefer fresh air should leave. But dont call it a circle of hell...its just not meant for you and you werent meant to enjoy it. But please dont be so arrogant as to insult one of the few truly international cities in the World just because you dont fit in...the bottom line is that if you'd rather be in a cornfield then in a great city with many of the most interesting people from all over the World then the problem is with you, not the city.

NYC is disgusting man. I understand why some people live there (i.e. work) but no one wants to make it permanent. You're either working like a dog or trying to live a very social life... once you settle down NYC will lose it's charm.

Views of the Hudson and Empire state building? That's kind of a vague description but if you live anywhere in midtown then I totally disagree that it's better than the general UES area. I have friends that live in all areas throughout Manhattan and even in lofts in Brooklyn... each place is nothing more than a temporary residence to get through the years and to move somewhere more civil.

Apr 23, 2016

LOL, Bondarb. Don't be so arrogant yourself to convince yourself that New York is the greatest city in the country. It's not. That distinction probably goes to Seattle or San Francisco depending on whether you're a hipster or a Yuppie. My home city of Chicago beats NYC handily in terms of being fun and liveable, and we haven't even gotten to the well-run world class cities like Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, and Minneapolis.

New York City's main reason for existence is so that 20-somethings can do a hit-and-run on it, save like crazy, and go back to more liveable parts of the country and spend their savings there. The money is worth trading part of your twenties in for, but not your 30s. Just don't get stuck here unless that's what you REALLY want.

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Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:

LOL, Bondarb. Don't be so arrogant yourself to convince yourself that New York is the greatest city in the country. It's not. That distinction probably goes to Seattle or San Francisco depending on whether you're a hipster or a Yuppie. My home city of Chicago beats NYC handily in terms of being fun and liveable, and we haven't even gotten to the well-run world class cities like Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, and Minneapolis.

New York City's main reason for existence is so that 20-somethings can do a hit-and-run on it, save like crazy, and go back to more liveable parts of the country and spend their savings there. The money is worth trading part of your twenties in for, but not your 30s. Just don't get stuck here unless that's what you REALLY want.

dude, you have no idea about new york city. really i dont have enough time to educate you if you cant have fun in this town and think its sucks cause there's too much concrete. I agree that it isnt for everybody as I said from the beginning. have fun living on 11th avenue for three years, leaving, and then telling everybody it sucks. Im sure des moines iowa will be way better for you.

Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:

dude, you have no idea about new york city. really i dont have enough time to educate you if you cant have fun in this town and think its sucks cause there's too much concrete. I agree that it isnt for everybody as I said from the beginning. have fun living on 11th avenue for three years, leaving, and then telling everybody it sucks. Im sure des moines iowa will be way better for you.

There's plenty of stuff to do OUTSIDE the city. I'll give you that.

You can't go hang gliding in Manhattan.

You can't dive on wrecks in Manhattan, although the Jeanne is in Brooklyn.

You can't go hiking in Manhattan.

As for your $4000/month view of the Empire State Building, you might think it's cool, but most people in this country- even most of the 1%- think it's crazy! They also think it's crazy that we get paid to do what we do. I'll take the crazy incomes and stick to the sane ("shitty") rent. Even then, my rent bill on Avenue Q is larger than my parents' mortgage payment ever was.

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:

LOL, Bondarb. Don't be so arrogant yourself to convince yourself that New York is the greatest city in the country. It's not. That distinction probably goes to Seattle or San Francisco depending on whether you're a hipster or a Yuppie. My home city of Chicago beats NYC handily in terms of being fun and liveable, and we haven't even gotten to the well-run world class cities like Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, and Minneapolis.

New York City's main reason for existence is so that 20-somethings can do a hit-and-run on it, save like crazy, and go back to more liveable parts of the country and spend their savings there. The money is worth trading part of your twenties in for, but not your 30s. Just don't get stuck here unless that's what you REALLY want.

You need to stop dude.

If NYC's main reason for existence is for 20 somethings to make a hit-and-run, how do you explain that it's the largest metropolitan area in the western world? Of the 20 million people living in the NYC area, there are probably less than 5% who are saving up to move out.

Don't even pretend Chicago is more fun and try to compare NYC to Boston (I lived there 6 years) or god forbid Minneapolis. You're a country mouse and you're entitled to not liking NYC but a big city rat would pick NYC over any other city in the country every single time.

Apr 23, 2016

^^^I know many people who live in NYC permanently and I intend to do so myself. As I said above, its not for everybody and you guys should leave as soon as possible if you cant appreciate it and arent enjoying yourselves...I highly doubt anyone will miss you especially not me. We live in two very different Worlds in the same city. I agree that Manhattan is very expensive and therefore most people who come here as young people will not stay...it takes alot of money to have a good quality of life in manhattan especially with kids. The city is filled with people who work in the service industry catering to people who make enough money to live here but not making enough themselves...cab drivers, waiters, young financial grunts, etc...I would put you guys in that category. Maybe the city sucks for people like that but I dont know about that. And no of course I dont live in midtown because midtown blows.

Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:

^^^I know many people who live in NYC permanently and I intend to do so myself. As I said above, its not for everybody and you guys should leave as soon as possible if you cant appreciate it and arent enjoying yourselves...I highly doubt anyone will miss you especially not me. We live in two very different Worlds in the same city. I agree that Manhattan is very expensive and therefore most people who come here as young people will not stay...it takes alot of money to have a good quality of life in manhattan especially with kids. The city is filled with people who work in the service industry catering to people who make enough money to live here but not making enough themselves...cab drivers, waiters, young financial grunts, etc...I would put you guys in that category. Maybe the city sucks for people like that but I dont know about that. And no of course I dont live in midtown because midtown blows.

I'm not trying to attack you personally but just mentioned about the city.

Anyway, if I were to relocate to NYC, where are the "best" spots for a young professional. Rent prices estimations for an average unit would also helpful. I say this as I'm looking to make a career change... and a new role may require me to stay in the office a lot more hours, therefore needing to live in the city.

Apr 23, 2016
mb666:
Bondarb:

^^^I know many people who live in NYC permanently and I intend to do so myself. As I said above, its not for everybody and you guys should leave as soon as possible if you cant appreciate it and arent enjoying yourselves...I highly doubt anyone will miss you especially not me. We live in two very different Worlds in the same city. I agree that Manhattan is very expensive and therefore most people who come here as young people will not stay...it takes alot of money to have a good quality of life in manhattan especially with kids. The city is filled with people who work in the service industry catering to people who make enough money to live here but not making enough themselves...cab drivers, waiters, young financial grunts, etc...I would put you guys in that category. Maybe the city sucks for people like that but I dont know about that. And no of course I dont live in midtown because midtown blows.

I'm not trying to attack you personally but just mentioned about the city.

Anyway, if I were to relocate to NYC, where are the "best" spots for a young professional. Rent prices estimations for an average unit would also helpful. I say this as I'm looking to make a career change... and a new role may require me to stay in the office a lot more hours, therefore needing to live in the city.

I live in the west village and have a 5 minute subway to work or a 5 minute cab. I would recomend living somewhere downtown...at least below 30th st or so. If you dont want to pay for West Village or Tribeca then at least do gramercy park area. Generally young finance people stay in Midtown or UES but its really a much better quality of life downtown in terms of having real neighborhoods and being more residential. I am not sure what the average rent will be but you will pay a premium...in my opinion in this case you get what you pay for IMO.

Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:
mb666:
Bondarb:

^^^I know many people who live in NYC permanently and I intend to do so myself. As I said above, its not for everybody and you guys should leave as soon as possible if you cant appreciate it and arent enjoying yourselves...I highly doubt anyone will miss you especially not me. We live in two very different Worlds in the same city. I agree that Manhattan is very expensive and therefore most people who come here as young people will not stay...it takes alot of money to have a good quality of life in manhattan especially with kids. The city is filled with people who work in the service industry catering to people who make enough money to live here but not making enough themselves...cab drivers, waiters, young financial grunts, etc...I would put you guys in that category. Maybe the city sucks for people like that but I dont know about that. And no of course I dont live in midtown because midtown blows.

I'm not trying to attack you personally but just mentioned about the city.

Anyway, if I were to relocate to NYC, where are the "best" spots for a young professional. Rent prices estimations for an average unit would also helpful. I say this as I'm looking to make a career change... and a new role may require me to stay in the office a lot more hours, therefore needing to live in the city.

I live in the west village and have a 5 minute subway to work or a 5 minute cab. I would recomend living somewhere downtown...at least below 30th st or so. If you dont want to pay for West Village or Tribeca then at least do gramercy park area. Generally young finance people stay in Midtown or UES but its really a much better quality of life downtown in terms of having real neighborhoods and being more residential. I am not sure what the average rent will be but you will pay a premium...in my opinion in this case you get what you pay for IMO.

I'm near Gramercy everyday lol... has its pockets but not my area. Do you rent in a townhouse? Any estimation for the $ for, on average, 1,000 square-feet.

Are you more attracted to the people or architecture in that area? Also, when the kids come around where do you intend to send them to school?

Apr 23, 2016
mb666:
Bondarb:
mb666:
Bondarb:

^^^I know many people who live in NYC permanently and I intend to do so myself. As I said above, its not for everybody and you guys should leave as soon as possible if you cant appreciate it and arent enjoying yourselves...I highly doubt anyone will miss you especially not me. We live in two very different Worlds in the same city. I agree that Manhattan is very expensive and therefore most people who come here as young people will not stay...it takes alot of money to have a good quality of life in manhattan especially with kids. The city is filled with people who work in the service industry catering to people who make enough money to live here but not making enough themselves...cab drivers, waiters, young financial grunts, etc...I would put you guys in that category. Maybe the city sucks for people like that but I dont know about that. And no of course I dont live in midtown because midtown blows.

I'm not trying to attack you personally but just mentioned about the city.

Anyway, if I were to relocate to NYC, where are the "best" spots for a young professional. Rent prices estimations for an average unit would also helpful. I say this as I'm looking to make a career change... and a new role may require me to stay in the office a lot more hours, therefore needing to live in the city.

I live in the west village and have a 5 minute subway to work or a 5 minute cab. I would recomend living somewhere downtown...at least below 30th st or so. If you dont want to pay for West Village or Tribeca then at least do gramercy park area. Generally young finance people stay in Midtown or UES but its really a much better quality of life downtown in terms of having real neighborhoods and being more residential. I am not sure what the average rent will be but you will pay a premium...in my opinion in this case you get what you pay for IMO.

I'm near Gramercy everyday lol... has its pockets but not my area. Do you rent in a townhouse? Any estimation for the $ for, on average, 1,000 square-feet.

Are you more attracted to the people or architecture in that area? Also, when the kids come around where do you intend to send them to school?

I am more attracted to the nightlife, the restaurants, the people, etc. The architecture is really cool also tho and I love the townhouses and the cobble-tone streets and all that stuff. I am really not sure what the average prices are in the neighborhood for studio/1 bed type stuff b/c i have lived in the same buiding for a few yearsa nd I have a bit of a larger place. You hit on really the hardest part of NYC which is having kids and sending them to school...luckily i have no kids on the way so havent really thought about it.

Apr 23, 2016

Just look at the facts:

  • One of the most expensive real estate in the world
  • Home to the most amount of three Michelan starred restaurants in the world (might be tied with Paris)
  • Best compilation of museums in the world (depending on your taste, Paris might be better)
  • Broadway and other arts
  • Most amount of sports teams in a single city

In terms of cities, there are very few cities that compare. If you're looking to do non-city activities like hang gliding and hiking, then you're comparing apples and oranges. It's like complaining about how your Ferrari has crappy gas mileage, when you would've been happier with a Prius. Some people like Ferraris and some people like Priuses.

Apr 23, 2016
ginNtonic:

- Home to the most amount of three Michelan starred restaurants in the world (might be tied with Paris)

I appreciate you supporting the cause, but you made that up. Tokyo has had the most for a while. NY is actually tied with Kyoto for 4th believe it or not.

Apr 23, 2016
GoodBread:
ginNtonic:

- Home to the most amount of three Michelan starred restaurants in the world (might be tied with Paris)

I appreciate you supporting the cause, but you made that up. Tokyo has had the most for a while. NY is actually tied with Kyoto for 4th believe it or not.

Crazy, you're right http://www.quora.com/Which-city-has-the-most-Miche...
But at the end of the day, best restaurant city in the Western hemisphere.

Is NYC everyone's cup of tea? No, but it sure is a lot of people's favorite.

Apr 23, 2016
GoodBread:
ginNtonic:

- Home to the most amount of three Michelan starred restaurants in the world (might be tied with Paris)

I appreciate you supporting the cause, but you made that up. Tokyo has had the most for a while. NY is actually tied with Kyoto for 4th believe it or not.

I was gonna say that :) I'm from NYC and wouldn't consider moving elsewhere. In addition to museums, restaurants and shops, we have fabulous parties (benefits, nightlife, fashion, etc.) going on almost every day (e.g., upcoming ABT spring gala, Met opera spring gala, Posh at the Pierre, Anchor annual party and RdV Saturdays launches today).
Regardless, I thought we were discussing about how to optimize sleep..

Apr 23, 2016
user_:

Regardless, I thought we were discussing about how to optimize sleep..

Who has time to sleep when there are city prestige rankings to discuss?
But seriously, I don't know how you can guys can get by without showering in the morning. I can't say I'm officially awake until I've showered and no amount of coffee would make me feel otherwise.

Apr 23, 2016
ginNtonic:

Just look at the facts:

  • One of the most expensive real estate in the world
  • Home to the most amount of three Michelan starred restaurants in the world (might be tied with Paris)
  • Best compilation of museums in the world (depending on your taste, Paris might be better)

You've never been to the Chicago Art Institute. the Art Institute beats the Met hands down when it comes to Impressionist Art and Italian Rennaisance.

- Broadway and other arts

Tourist town.

- Most amount of sports teams in a single city

That take 90 minutes to get to from Manhattan unless they're the Knicks.

In terms of cities, there are very few cities that compare. If you're looking to do non-city activities like hang gliding and hiking, then you're comparing apples and oranges. It's like complaining about how your Ferrari has crappy gas mileage, when you would've been happier with a Prius. Some people like Ferraris and some people like Priuses.

Bingo. You guys can keep your priuses and get stuck in NYC traffic.

We live in two very different Worlds in the same city. I agree that Manhattan is very expensive and therefore most people who come here as young people will not stay...it takes alot of money to have a good quality of life in manhattan especially with kids. The city is filled with people who work in the service industry catering to people who make enough money to live here but not making enough themselves...cab drivers, waiters, young financial grunts, etc...I would put you guys in that category. Maybe the city sucks for people like that but I dont know about that. And no of course I dont live in midtown because midtown blows.

So you're in your 30s, you have a long commute to work, and you admit you're unhappy with the city.

For the money I make and the career I have here, I can enjoy your life in Chicago or Seattle, just being ten years younger than you and working 20 hours/week less. Again, I think it's a pretty good deal. Sorry you got stuck here and are unhappy (otherwise why would you need to spend a perfectly good Saturday defending NYC with a bunch of folks younger than you), but those are the choices we make.

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Apr 23, 2016

This was an interesting thread, before it got wholly side-tracked

Apr 23, 2016

I typically go to the gym or run in the morning, so showering is a must.

Apr 23, 2016

City crap aside:
- hire a cleaner and use the dry-cleaners at work if your bank has them
- get groceries delivered
- take care of all your admin tasks at work (pay bills online, etc) during downtime
- when you get home, try to avoid the temptation to eat something, hop on the internet or watch TV - if you can train yourself to crash immediately, that's best
- if IT lets you, install this http://stereopsis.com/flux/on your work computer
- eat breakfast at your desk or skip it entirely

Apr 23, 2016

also to Illini above I dont know where u get 90 minutes to see the Giants, Jets, Mets, and Yankees...I can take a 15 minute PATH train to Giants Stadium and both Yankee Stadium and Citifield are on subway lines that take about 25 minutes each from downtown. The Nets will be even closer as the subway to brooklyn is like 10 minutes...in fact I can probably get to their new arena as quickly as MSG its just a subway in another direction. You just make this stuff up as usual.

Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:

also to Illini above I dont know where u get 90 minutes to see the Giants, Jets, Mets, and Yankees...I can take a 15 minute PATH train to Giants Stadium and both Yankee Stadium and Citifield are on subway lines that take about 25 minutes each from downtown. The Nets will be even closer as the subway to brooklyn is like 10 minutes...in fact I can probably get to their new arena as quickly as MSG its just a subway in another direction. You just make this stuff up as usual.

LOL Bondarb, the 4 train takes 30 minutes alone to get to Yankee Stadium from Midtown. That's assuming you can teleport to the train station and catch the first train out of there, which arrives instantaneously. In all likelihood, you are going to have to spend five minutes getting out of your building, three minutes walking to their nearest subway, five minutes waiting for a train, fifteen minutes getting to your connecting train, and then five or ten minutes waiting for the four, again assuming there's space.

Or you can try to fight traffic getting there. Good luck crossing the Harlem River in 30 minutes.

Why does this remind me of our argument about NYC rents where you claimed you can do an elevator studio in Midtown for $1500/month?

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:
Bondarb:

also to Illini above I dont know where u get 90 minutes to see the Giants, Jets, Mets, and Yankees...I can take a 15 minute PATH train to Giants Stadium and both Yankee Stadium and Citifield are on subway lines that take about 25 minutes each from downtown. The Nets will be even closer as the subway to brooklyn is like 10 minutes...in fact I can probably get to their new arena as quickly as MSG its just a subway in another direction. You just make this stuff up as usual.

LOL Bondarb, the 4 train takes 30 minutes alone to get to Yankee Stadium from Midtown. That's assuming you can teleport to the train station and catch the first train out of there, which arrives instantaneously. In all likelihood, you are going to have to spend five minutes getting out of your building, three minutes walking to their nearest subway, five minutes waiting for a train, fifteen minutes getting to your connecting train, and then five or ten minutes waiting for the four, again assuming there's space.

Or you can try to fight traffic getting there. Good luck crossing the Harlem River in 30 minutes.

Why does this remind me of our argument about NYC rents where you claimed you can do an elevator studio in Midtown for $1500/month?

You said 90 minutes did you not? You live in strange fantasy wprld if you believe it takes 90 minutes to get to Yankee Stadium from Manhattan. Even your (ridiculous) math only comes out to 60 minutes.

Also, below is a link of NY Times search for apartments under 1600 in Manhattan...several are elevator buildings...and NY Times isnt even a good source for rental apartments.

http://realestate.nytimes.com/rentals/midtown-east...

Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:

You said 90 minutes did you not? You live in strange fantasy wprld if you believe it takes 90 minutes to get to Yankee Stadium from Manhattan. Even your (ridiculous) math only comes out to 60 minutes.

Tack on 30 minutes to get from the train station to your seat and you're at 90, pal.

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:
Bondarb:

You said 90 minutes did you not? You live in strange fantasy wprld if you believe it takes 90 minutes to get to Yankee Stadium from Manhattan. Even your (ridiculous) math only comes out to 60 minutes.

Tack on 30 minutes to get from the train station to your seat and you're at 90, pal.

im pretty sure i could jog from midtown to yankee stadium in 90 minutes...but whatever IP...you are a genius in your own strange world. BTW i just got back from the ranger game which probably ended 12 minutes ago...by your math ill be home in an hour and 20 minutes...

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:
Bondarb:

You said 90 minutes did you not? You live in strange fantasy wprld if you believe it takes 90 minutes to get to Yankee Stadium from Manhattan. Even your (ridiculous) math only comes out to 60 minutes.

Tack on 30 minutes to get from the train station to your seat and you're at 90, pal.

im pretty sure i could jog from midtown to yankee stadium in 90 minutes...but whatever IP...you are a genius in your own strange world. BTW i just got back from the ranger game which probably ended 12 minutes ago...by your math ill be home in an hour and 20 minutes...

Apr 23, 2016

i live in williamsburg and would probably get an hour extra sleep everyday if i lived closer to work (midtown) :(

Apr 23, 2016
Apr 23, 2016
mb666:

I want to live here: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/26-E-80th-St-New...

Dude, how old are you? While it's nice and all, I feel like I would Have to be a Rockefeller and 70 years old in order for it to feel like home.

Come on, you're young and you want to at least have a 1 in a million chance to sleep with a model. Models rarely go above 14th street. The place I want in the next 5 to 10 years: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/328-334-Spring-S...

Apr 23, 2016
ginNtonic:
mb666:

I want to live here: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/26-E-80th-St-New...

Dude, how old are you? While it's nice and all, I feel like I would Have to be a Rockefeller and 70 years old in order for it to feel like home.

Come on, you're young and you want to at least have a 1 in a million chance to sleep with a model. Models rarely go above 14th street. The place I want in the next 5 to 10 years: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/328-334-Spring-S...

It's nice but too modern for me...

Been in a 6 yr relationship ;)

Apr 23, 2016
mb666:
ginNtonic:
mb666:

I want to live here: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/26-E-80th-St-New...

Dude, how old are you? While it's nice and all, I feel like I would Have to be a Rockefeller and 70 years old in order for it to feel like home.

Come on, you're young and you want to at least have a 1 in a million chance to sleep with a model. Models rarely go above 14th street. The place I want in the next 5 to 10 years: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/328-334-Spring-S...

It's nice but too modern for me...

Been in a 6 yr relationship ;)

2 years for me, but I still like the idea of being able to if I wanted to.

If that's the type of thing you're going for, I would probably go for the Village (south of Union square between East and West village). There are some really nice buildings with reasonable studios / small 1 bedrooms ($2500 - $3500). The other two areas I would look at is the Upper East Side and Gramercy. UES you can get a studio / 1 bedroom in a nice doorman / elevator for $2000 - $3000. Gramcery is going to be about the same price as the Village, and maybe slightly more expensive. I recommend taking a look at streeteasy.com for more precise research.

If location matters (better nightlife as well), I would go with the Village.
If price matters, go with UES.
If "prestige" matters (which I don't think exists unless you have a key to Gramercy Park), go with Gramercy

Apr 23, 2016

Geez, what's up with this religious war?

Neutral PoV: Illini, you are dismissive and make assumptions about his happiness. Bondarb, you sometimes sound like a hipster elitist douche.

Now, you can hate on me and stop spamming time quotes for how much it takes to reach the Yankee stadium...whatever that is.

Apr 23, 2016

this is an awesome thread, ignoring the arguments about Chicago etc.

Apr 23, 2016

Aren't the rangers at MSG? I didn't say anything about the Knicks or the Rangers.

For an outdoor game though, you are dealing with hours and hours of travel time. No other city has to deal with that.

Apr 23, 2016
IlliniProgrammer:

Aren't the rangers at MSG? I didn't say anything about the Knicks or the Rangers.

For an outdoor game though, you are dealing with hours and hours of travel time. No other city has to deal with that.

It's a gigantic pain in the ass getting to football games, there's simply no denying this fact; that's about it, though. The other sports locations (hockey, baseball, and basketball) are all easily reached via public transportation. You're making it seem far more difficult than it actually is.

To continue some of the neighborhood discussion that we had earlier in this thread, if you're a successful, relatively young guy, the best neighborhoods are for the most part below 14th Street, e.g. Soho, the West Village, Tribeca, Noho, etc.

Places like Murray Hill, Yorkville, and the East Village are fine if you're a brand new guy in his early 20s (i.e. typical analyst), but they're not what anyone aspires to.

Apr 23, 2016
holla_back:
IlliniProgrammer:

Aren't the rangers at MSG? I didn't say anything about the Knicks or the Rangers.

For an outdoor game though, you are dealing with hours and hours of travel time. No other city has to deal with that.

It's a gigantic pain in the ass getting to football games, there's simply no denying this fact; that's about it, though. The other sports locations (hockey, baseball, and basketball) are all easily reached via public transportation. You're making it seem far more difficult than it actually is.

To continue some of the neighborhood discussion that we had earlier in this thread, if you're a successful, relatively young guy, the best neighborhoods are for the most part below 14th Street, e.g. Soho, the West Village, Tribeca, Noho, etc.

Places like Murray Hill, Yorkville, and the East Village are fine if you're a brand new guy in his early 20s (i.e. typical analyst), but they're not what anyone aspires to.

Dude there is a train that goes straight from downtown to giants stadium...it literally lets out 10 feet from the entrance...from where i live its about 25 minute train from the PATH station in the west village...about 15 minutes more then going to MSG. This is an epicly stupid thing to argue about but it is really very easy to go to football games. PATH train also goes to Newark in even less time if you want to go to the Devils.

Apr 23, 2016
Bondarb:

Dude there is a train that goes straight from downtown to giants stadium...it literally lets out 10 feet from the entrance...from where i live its about 25 minute train from the PATH station in the west village...about 15 minutes more then going to MSG. This is an epicly stupid thing to argue about but it is really very easy to go to football games. PATH train also goes to Newark in even less time if you want to go to the Devils.

The fact that I grew up here might be throwing my perception off a bit; it's always seemed like getting to Jersey, no matter what method you choose, is always complete hell.

I assume you grew up in Jersey?

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Apr 23, 2016

Every night? As in you can't even skip sleep for a single night?

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Apr 23, 2016

Well, I could probably skip for ONE night, but......
In college, I've learned that pulling an all nighter one night requires me to sleep 7+ hours the following night to function properly.

Apr 23, 2016

No way you will make it in banking dude, esp at a BB. I'm at an elite boutique and haven't slept more than 5 hrs in over 2 weeks, with 2 all-nighters in there. I can't imagine how hard BB guys get crushed. My advice to you is to find a nice regional boutique, do fewer deals, no brand name, but at least you'll have a life.

Apr 23, 2016
iRX:

No way you will make it in banking dude, esp at a BB. I'm at an elite boutique and haven't slept more than 5 hrs in over 2 weeks, with 2 all-nighters in there. I can't imagine how hard BB guys get crushed. My advice to you is to find a nice regional boutique, do fewer deals, no brand name, but at least you'll have a life.

dont listen to the troll and use the search bar

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Apr 23, 2016
iRX:

No way you will make it in banking dude, esp at a BB. I'm at an elite boutique and haven't slept more than 5 hrs in over 2 weeks, with 2 all-nighters in there. I can't imagine how hard BB guys get crushed. My advice to you is to find a nice regional boutique, do fewer deals, no brand name, but at least you'll have a life.

This poster/quote epitomizes the active posting populace of WSO, trolling or not.

Apr 23, 2016

You'll be fine most of the time, 5 hours of sleep means sleeping from 2am to 7am so doable in lot of groups for sure. But there will be times where you obviously need to go with 2 to 4 hours of sleep for certainn periods of time, and you might not want to gain the rep of being the guy that goes home early before the rest of the team during a deal because he needs to get his sleep.

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Apr 23, 2016

You'll be fine. Even during the rough weeks, you'll catch up on the weekends. If you take out an hour each day for your commute, getting ready, laundry and whatever else you need to do and average 5 hours of sleep/night, you're still left with 126 hours/week to work.

Even if the roughest of times, you rarely will reach that level.
If you haven't gotten more than 5 hours of sleep in the last 2 weeks, it is most certainly by choice, not because work forced you to.

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Apr 23, 2016
reformed:

If you haven't gotten more than 5 hours of sleep in the last 2 weeks, it is most certainly by choice, not because work forced you to.

This isn't necessarily true. There have been plenty of occasions when I went through a stretch like he mentioned and "choice" had nothing to do with it.

Apr 23, 2016
rufiolove:
reformed:

If you haven't gotten more than 5 hours of sleep in the last 2 weeks, it is most certainly by choice, not because work forced you to.

This isn't necessarily true. There have been plenty of occasions when I went through a stretch like he mentioned and "choice" had nothing to do with it.

It would surprise me to hear that you had 2 all nighters Monday-Friday and worked 20 hour days the rest of the week (including the weekend) but if so, I stand corrected. Jesus dude, that's > 140 hours for the week.

Apr 23, 2016
reformed:
rufiolove:

reformed:
If you haven't gotten more than 5 hours of sleep in the last 2 weeks, it is most certainly by choice, not because work forced you to.

This isn't necessarily true. There have been plenty of occasions when I went through a stretch like he mentioned and "choice" had nothing to do with it.

It would surprise me to hear that you had 2 all nighters Monday-Friday and worked 20 hour days the rest of the week (including the weekend) but if so, I stand corrected. Jesus dude, that's > 140 hours for the week.

Pretty sure Rufio was talking about 5 hours of sleep per night. I rarely get the full 5 during the week, I make it up on Friday and Saturday night when I can be in a bit late the next day.

Rufio, do you have your buyside gig lined up yet?

Apr 23, 2016
LifestyleBanker:
reformed:

rufiolove:

reformed:
If you haven't gotten more than 5 hours of sleep in the last 2 weeks, it is most certainly by choice, not because work forced you to.
This isn't necessarily true. There have been plenty of occasions when I went through a stretch like he mentioned and "choice" had nothing to do with it.

It would surprise me to hear that you had 2 all nighters Monday-Friday and worked 20 hour days the rest of the week (including the weekend) but if so, I stand corrected. Jesus dude, that's > 140 hours for the week.

Pretty sure Rufio was talking about 5 hours of sleep per night. I rarely get the full 5 during the week, I make it up on Friday and Saturday night when I can be in a bit late the next day.

Rufio, do you have your buyside gig lined up yet?

Sorry, yeah just to clarify, I was referring to the 5 hours of sleep per night. I've had several stretches in the 120-125 range that lasted quite a while (couple weeks to more than a month), and then I've broken 130 on two weeks I can recall and they were back to back. I will say that they were the most miserable weeks of my life and I gave serious thought to leaving. When you get to the point where you are working that many hours everything looks pretty bleak.

@Lifestyle - yes, I have lined up a PE job and I am definitely looking forward to it.

Apr 23, 2016
reformed:

It would surprise me to hear that you had 2 all nighters Monday-Friday and worked 20 hour days the rest of the week (including the weekend) but if so, I stand corrected. Jesus dude, that's > 140 hours for the week.

This happens. Usually the result of two things blowing up at once with no excess capacity in the bullpen or a masochistic staffer, but it happens. Not sustainable for more than 2 weeks though, no matter who you are. Yes you will be wrong more. The Associate/VP will know this and check your work more carefully. Eventually you will get help or the fire drill will end.

Also OP at 4am = troll?

Apr 23, 2016

You should be ok. 5 hours means that you can work 19 hours days at BB.

Apr 23, 2016
Beny23:

You should be ok. 5 hours means that you can work 19 hours days at BB.

This is spot on, assuming that you brush, shower, and sleep in your cubicle.

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Apr 23, 2016

get the BB IBD job first. then worry about it.

Apr 23, 2016
Ipso facto:

get the BB IBD job first. then worry about it.

Getting a BB IBD job takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. Why would he go through all that to get the job BEFORE he even knows it is right for him?

Apr 23, 2016
MindOverMonkey:
Ipso facto:

get the BB IBD job first. then worry about it.

Getting a BB IBD job takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. Why would he go through all that to get the job BEFORE he even knows it is right for him?

How does anyone know any job is right for him/her if they haven't done it? He's done the research...he's asking a question on WSO so he's certainly interested. He's talked/talking with people that have done it. What's left? Now he's gotta do it to know. At the very least, get an internship--he'll find out real quick if it's for him or not. Or OP could just live life based on what anonymous posters on the internet say without doing anything/thinking for himself first. Worst case scenario--OP gets an BB IBD job, doesn't like it, and finds something else to do. Now, he's got good experience, a solid resume, and should be well set up for the next job. Could be worse.

Just an opinion.

Apr 23, 2016
Ipso facto:
MindOverMonkey:

Ipso facto:
get the BB IBD job first. then worry about it.

Getting a BB IBD job takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. Why would he go through all that to get the job BEFORE he even knows it is right for him?

How does anyone know any job is right for him/her if they haven't done it? He's done the research...he's asking a question on WSO so he's certainly interested. He's talked/talking with people that have done it. What's left? Now he's gotta do it to know. At the very least, get an internship--he'll find out real quick if it's for him or not. Or OP could just live life based on what anonymous posters on the internet say without doing anything/thinking for himself first. Worst case scenario--OP gets an BB IBD job, doesn't like it, and finds something else to do. Now, he's got good experience, a solid resume, and should be well set up for the next job. Could be worse.

Just an opinion.

I thought you were trying to make it seem like he shouldn't even be asking the question as most people who post that exact same thing on different threads seem to suggest. I agree with your clarified statement.

Apr 23, 2016

I work in finance and the annoyance of having to go home, get undressed and falling on my bed, lapsing in to hours of unconciousness was so degrading and annoying that I stopped sleeping months ago. Why would you need to anyways?

The majority of people, not only who are habitually slothful, but those who are convicted of violent crimes have histories of dreaming.

"...all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

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Apr 23, 2016
seabird:

I work in finance and the annoyance of having to go home, get undressed and falling on my bed, lapsing in to hours of unconciousness was so degrading and annoying that I stopped sleeping months ago. Why would you need to anyways?

The majority of people, not only who are habitually slothful, but those who are convicted of violent crimes have histories of dreaming.

lol!

Apr 23, 2016
seabird:

I work in finance and the annoyance of having to go home, get undressed and falling on my bed, lapsing in to hours of unconciousness was so degrading and annoying that I stopped sleeping months ago. Why would you need to anyways?

The majority of people, not only who are habitually slothful, but those who are convicted of violent crimes have histories of dreaming.

I'll sleep when I'm dead.

Apr 23, 2016
seabird:

I work in finance and the annoyance of having to go home, get undressed and falling on my bed, lapsing in to hours of unconciousness was so degrading and annoying that I stopped sleeping months ago. Why would you need to anyways?

The majority of people, not only who are habitually slothful, but those who are convicted of violent crimes have histories of dreaming.

Are you on meth?

Apr 23, 2016

You'll be fine as long as you don't live an hour away or something equally silly.

Apr 23, 2016

You probably don't actually need 5 hours of sleep. Do you think all banking analysts come into the job having slept 3 hours a night through college?

The first couple of months are rough. Then, like everyone else, you adjust. You become able to function with less sleep consistently. You just get conditioned for it. You develop the ability to focus and stay awake when you need to. These days, I typically get home at 2-3 and still read the news or some funny shit for about 45 minutes before going to sleep because I need the unwinding at the end of the day more than a bit more sleep. I used to sleep 10 hours a day consistently in college. You'll be fine.

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Apr 23, 2016

Agree with everyone else here. Think about it in terms of rem sleep. An average cycle is roughly an hour and a half and if you are able to wake up at end of these cycles then I'm sure you will be able to function throughout the day. If you need 5 hours then shoot for 4.5 hours(depending on work schedule of course) and you will be completely fine.

Apr 23, 2016

I love how most of these guys commenting have no real banking experience but somehow feel inclined to comment. It's not for everyone. Maybe OP just isn't cut out for it.

Apr 23, 2016

I sleep 26 hours per night OP.

Apr 23, 2016

Surprised no one has commented on how this dude has the need, in all caps, to sleep 5 hours a night.

Grow a pair..honestly...

Apr 23, 2016

Where are you guys working that you have this many hours? I had heard that at the top BB's you typically work 100-120 hour work weeks with 120 being not too often. Some elite boutiques you might work a little less, and some work much more. I've heard Moelis is a sweatshop and typically that's the only place, or only kind of place, where you're going to be working as much as some of you are describing.

Apr 23, 2016
wallmonkey511:

Where are you guys working that you have this many hours? I had heard that at the top BB's you typically work 100-120 hour work weeks with 120 being not too often. Some elite boutiques you might work a little less, and some work much more. I've heard Moelis is a sweatshop and typically that's the only place, or only kind of place, where you're going to be working as much as some of you are describing.

It isn't an every week occurrence but it just varies. If you are working on a tight timeline for a buy side mandate for example and you need to submit a bid by the bid deadline, you have to get it done

Apr 23, 2016

youll be fine, i need around 7-8 to be at 100% and got through it just fine

Apr 23, 2016
leveredarb:

youll be fine, i need around 7-8 to be at 100% and got through it just fine

So, if you had to pull 100+ hour weeks, what percentage were you functioning at?

Apr 23, 2016

100 hours is just 15 a day, 120 is where it gets painful.

I can do banking at 10%, if you need more than that to format slides and bind pitches you might be dumb enough to become a career banker ;)

Apr 23, 2016
leveredarb:

100 hours is just 15 a day, 120 is where it gets painful.

I can do banking at 10%, if you need more than that to format slides and bind pitches you might be dumb enough to become a career banker ;)

LOL. Luckily I've got an analyst under me for that :).

Apr 23, 2016

I have been on WSO for a while, but I can not imagine that working 90+ hours a week is usefull. Maybe for a select few it is necessary. But analyst at a BB will not be more productive if they work 90+ a week, unless it may be simple work. So how do you guys think of this chart: http://robsteel.typepad.com/.a/6a0133eee3f813970b0...

Apr 23, 2016
klaasv:

I have been on WSO for a while, but I can not imagine that working 90+ hours a week is usefull. Maybe for a select few it is necessary. But analyst at a BB will not be more productive if they work 90+ a week, unless it may be simple work.

Sure they will

Apr 23, 2016
klaasv:

I have been on WSO for a while, but I can not imagine that working 90+ hours a week is usefull. Maybe for a select few it is necessary. But analyst at a BB will not be more productive if they work 90+ a week, unless it may be simple work.

Banking is simple, and people aren't exaggerating when they say so. 90% of banking is addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and then formatting everything to make it look pretty. Banking jobs are hard to come by because of the higher than average compensation, the experience/work ethic you gain (every year in banking = at least two years of 9-5 experience) and the opportunities it opens up down the road.

So yes, you are useful even when you're running on fumes, because the work doesn't require much intellectual capacity.

OP - Figure out what you want to do further down the road, and if banking provides a much better path to that goal then ask yourself if you can personally deal with the heavier workload. If so, then it might be worth it for a couple of years.

Apr 23, 2016
milehigh:

Banking is simple, and people aren't exaggerating when they say so. 90% of banking is addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and then formatting everything to make it look pretty. Banking jobs are hard to come by because of the higher than average compensation, the experience/work ethic you gain (every year in banking = at least two years of 9-5 experience) and the opportunities it opens up down the road.

So yes, you are useful even when you're running on fumes, because the work doesn't require much intellectual capacity.

What is the use of experience if you are just grinding basic/simple stuff? I mean I can work 20 hours a day producing iPad's and the only experience I would gain, would be used to work faster. I can imagine the opportunities and the pay are very important for most people. But then again you did not do anything special, just worked long hours.