Idealistic Liberal Girls

80% idealistic + 25% pragmatic = 105%

TBH, you seem just as critical of them for their career choices as they are of you. I.e. you're half the problem

Oh whoops. I meant 75% idealistic.

I wouldn't spend much time worrying about what everyone else is doing. People make decisions that seem counterintuitive, but if that is what they want to do...good for them.

Focus on the girls that are into the things you like and/or appreciate.

You're wasting your time by caring about people that won't change.

The only thing worst than idealistic liberal girl is idealistic republican girl.

Trust me on that one.

I for one am glad that I do not attract engineering/finance/med girls, they're not an ounce of fun. In my experience liberal arts girls are 10x more fun than their more ambitious counterparts. I personally would be very unhappy if my girl was more engrossed in her work than me. I live with my non-profit working fiancee and everyday when I come home she's in a good mood from having minimal stress, shes pretty hot and dresses well because she doesn't spend too much time working and is able to workout, and she starts making dinner at 7 so when I get home from the gym around 8 that shit is hot and ready to eat. She makes about 35k a year which doesn't really concern me because I am hoping that once we have kids she is able to stay at home and watch over those little bastards.

I also am able to have conversations that have nothing to do with work which I prefer. She doesn't understand what I do nor does she care as long as the money keeps flowing.

In order to attract girls like this you definitely need to be more than just a career focused person. Focusing on your career is obviously important but if thats all you're bringing to the table then your going to attract the like minded girls.

Of course it gets lower. I mean, dude, what are you even asking? Of course women are more emotional, less rational, and more prone to 'follow their hearts.' Also, the attractive ones know there will always be some guy willing to take care of them.

One girl I'm seeing-ish now is in art school for fashion merchandising or some shit and we get along fine. I don't talk about finance with people outside of finance. Yes, a lot of these girls pursue bullshit during their early years without putting much thought into it. But how many guys go into business majors solely for the money? So we're in it for the money; they're in it for the happiness. We think money will bring us freedom, which will bring us happiness.

They think saving trees, which they don't seem to realize are a renewable resource, will bring them happiness. Realistically, they're not gonna fucking starve. We're living in America. I wonder what the correlation between Tumblr usage and art school enrollment is.

We like to pretend that we're not animals, but we are. Men are more rational and are providers. Women have historically done the creative shit. I'm a bit turned off when a girl is super career-oriented. Call me sexist, but it just isn't very feminine to me. I've gotten along great with girls who want to do more left-leaning shit with their lives, but don't have a hippie mindset... if that makes sense.

Also, I've noticed that a lot of 1st/2nd generation immigrants have a 'Gotta make it in America' mindset. I have a lot of them at my school, so we have lots of hot Latina and Asian business students. I'm not complaining.

As a female, seeing so much wrong with this thread and the comments in it, but as far as the original post goes, I agree that there are wayyyyyyyy too many "Corporations are evil" types out there, having to deal with a lot of my friends from university and such. It's just a spectrum. You have far out anti-business women who I can't stand as friends (much less dating one, so my condolences to you for you guys out there) and you also have i-can't-look'up-from-Excel-long-enough-to-breathe types. It's much better to find the balance so you don't drive each other crazy, because it's not going to work if you love high finance and your girlfriend is out there 'occupying' wall street. I highly recommend you find the more artistic financier types that have a much better balance. They do exist. Went through all of this with anti-capitalist men so I feel your pain.

Loosen up a little bit OP. The phrase "opposites attract" ring true at times. I personally like when a girl stares at me in amazement/confusion as I spew financial gobbledygook; if she questioned me about DCF assumptions//why do I think the FB/WhatsApp acquisition was 19B instead of 18B, I'd go insane. I don't want necessarily a corporate girl -- I want one who can keep me happy, not complain, and can make mean tacos -- if that means she wants to save the world by sharing low-carb meals on Pinterest all day, awesome.

I only date girls who can quote Hayek while I rail them doggy style. Tell me again about the fatal conceit baby, yeah!

Idealism is a trait of the young and not females per se. Naturally people tend to start out more idealistic and become more synical/pragmatic as they age. People from traditional cultures (usually either they or their parents immigrated to the US) tend to start off more pragmatic than people with families born and raised in the US. There is a balance that is needed between wanting to be happy and make the world a better place and striving for financial success and security. However the twist to the tale is that strivign for success while young is much more effective than the reverse as the leading indicator to success is how successful were you last. No one "winds up" as an I-banker or doctor or lawyer, these professions take both achievement and focus, but not being a highly paid professional is not viewed as a negative by many people. What I am trying to say is don't judge, not everyone has the benefit of focus and drive in their youth and literally don't understand what path they are on and some actually would never choose the path you are on.

I hope you don't talk about yourself as much as you did in your OP with girls...

It also sounds like you might just be mad that you can't attract liberal arts' girls, since they're, on average, hotter than the average STEM girl.

Hate to break it to you but they're just not that into you. If a girl finds you attractive enough, they don't really care all that much what you do. It's cool though. You know what your lane is. Just stay in your lane and you'll be fine.

OP, you sound like a virgin.

It appears from your post that your purpose in life is, "become a corporate whore.... and have a job that will pay your bills, water, and food."

"What is a man if his chief good and market of his time be but to sleep and feed? A beast, no more."

You probably don't attract any sort of women because you're one dimensional and haven't developed a personality outside of type-A, I want to make a lot of money, and check out my prestige.

There is a lot more to life than high finance and excel spreadsheets at 2am. I invite you to explore it.

@"ishouldbstudying" I doubt OP has a type A personality. He's having a hard time getting laid to begin with that's why he's bashing other people for their choices in life to make himself feel better. I have met dozen of losers like him in finance who try to fill the void in their lives by bashing other people.

OP is ugly

Idealistic liberal girls are great especially if they are also smart and emotionally mature although that entire personality soup is a bit on the contradictory side. Change idealistic to optimistic and we might have something.

It doesn't matter whether or not the percentages of idealistic versus non-idealistic girls rises or declines as you get older, since I can surmise that you won't have a chance at either OP.

Trust me, pre-med girls are actually pretty hot. In my opinion, this pre-med girl I dated in high school was 9/10. Engineering, not so much. Pre-businesses girls are more of a mixed bag from my experience.

trolling. But on the apparent contrast between pursuit of economic viability and 'happiness' - economic viability is transient, on factors beyond you control, i.e. you could be an engineer, a doctor, a lawyer, a banker - and if it just so happens that the market is wholly saturated you're just as unemployed as the journalism student.

Consequently, those that have a legitimate desire to pursue a career on the basis of 'happiness' are entitled to do so without any real consequence that isn't one of the aforementioned professions. A good journalist will get a job, a good historian will get a job etc. If you are 'happy' doing something then I'd hope that you endear to be good at it, and therefore you will be rewarded.

The other side of the coin - on a far darker note - is that society needs people to fill in the cracks, it needs the service staff, it needs the people in 'dead-end' jobs, and it needs the people who will work for minimum wage for a non-profit. However, again, this is largely up to the person - if they find themselves in such a 'career' - they can change it, and hence despite being unfortunate that people are 'forced' to work in these occupations, they do have some measure of control over their life.

You're kind of a douchebag dude.

gmaddux95:

I've always taken an accomplishment-driven approach to my work, and it's worked: I was top 1% in my high school, 2330 on my SAT, accomplished musician and athlete, and got some community-related awards (not gonna say what they were for security reasons). In college, I have a good GPA (3.6), placed well in some finance competitions and gotten ibanking internships.

Has your vast trove of knowledge and wisdom allowed you to consider the possibility that you're arrogant?

2330 SAT? 3.6 GPA?!? Come on bro what kind of Asian work ethic are you talking about...

All joking aside, just loosen up a bit. The idealist liberal girls are happier and more fun anyways...

All pussy is soft and pink on the inside OP, so quit being such a douche and go get laid, quit thinking about this stupid "this vs that" mentality as a college kid. In my experience, the most fun girls (and the best lays) are the ones without a care in the world that are coasting through college. Go for them, they're dumb, easy and fun.

I'm going to spend the next 40 years of my life in an office, so I may as well try to spend as much time as possible now in someone else's bed. Who gives a fuck what they major in.

Man that really sucks for OP, most humanities major girls are super hot with rich daddies

gmaddux95:

From middle school up until now as a college junior, I've learned that I can easily make friends (or even girlfriends) with girls who want to pursue serious careers (i.e. Finance, Engineering, Doctor). Every girl I've dated since high school is now pre-med, in engineering or working to getting into ibanking/consulting/etc. Unfortunately, this group only comprises ~25% of the late teen-early 20s group of girls. From my experience in high school and college, TOO MANY girls are majoring in bullshit liberal arts degrees and are interested in going into careers like "saving the rainforest," "taking down the corporations," and other non-profit shit like that. The idealistic 80% of girls usually hates me for being too engrossed in my work in studying econ/finance and wanting to be a "corporate whore" going into investment banking/private equity. The hardworking, serious 25% of girls described earlier really admires me in my work. I'm simply not going to change who I am since I want to make $$$ when I'm older and not live in my parents' basement.

Maybe this stems from the Asian work ethic my parents instilled in me as a little boy. I've always taken an accomplishment-driven approach to my work, and it's worked: I was top 1% in my high school, 2330 on my SAT, accomplished musician and athlete, and got some community-related awards (not gonna say what they were for security reasons). In college, I have a good GPA (3.6), placed well in some finance competitions and gotten ibanking internships.

As an anecodte, I was talking with this girl on FB from my high school studying theater and journalism from my state flagship. I asked her why she was studying theater and journalism, and she said, "I know I won't have a job after graduation but I want to be happy." WTF?!?!?! How will you be happy if you don't have a job to pay your bills, water and food?!?!

Does the 25% of un-idealistic girls go up as you get older? Or do these idealistic girls still exist in big numbers? Anybody have experience with this first-hand?

Granted I go to a target school ranked in the top 5 of USNWR, so the numbers of hardworking, serious girls are likely higher due to selection bias. With that said, I'm not too confident that the situation of pragmatic vs idealist girls will change significantly before I'm 30.

Just wow

Speaking as a girl who pursue finance myself (IBD), I understand you OP. In the past I used to got annoyed listening to people who has chosen unrealistic paths (saving trees/animal conservation/food studies etc) but then I realised - firstly, they can afford to do so (well-off family backgrounds for example), secondly, I have no right to judge or control their life - it's their choices. Learning how not to judge and befriend instead has been tough but I managed to. Since then, the diversity of people I know makes my life great. I have many liberal arts friends and they've taught me a lot. While you may be a finance high achiever OPs, I think you need to find someone who is better at something completely different to you.Opposite attracts. My bf is pursuing academic research and university teaching, some may say it's unrealistic because he earns like half of what I earn a year, but I love him because of his passion. He's so different to me that he enriches my life n made me a better person everyday, esp when I do IBD and need someone to balance me, pull me off the craziness, and can accept my hours and last minute cancellations. Smart, high achiever girl pursuing finances probably get bored of finance guys and also afraid of scandals (at least I do - Wall Street is a small place where ppl knows each other, and rumours about r/s spread fast). They might choose look elsewhere. I can tell you havent been committed to a serious r/s, because once you do, love makes you blind and it doesnt matter what she does for a living or what kind of lifestyle she chooses, it just feels right.

lol @ "little boy"

Somethings about WSO will never change.

OP: There is nothing wrong with wanting to pursue humanitarian efforts. In fact, I find that to be quite valiant and selfless. I agree that it can be annoying when activists automatically assume you're an evil corporate whore if you don't personally want to go into the non-profit world, but it's a difficult space to be in. When politicians' pockets (on both the democratic and republican sides) are lined with corporate dollars who profit immensely off of lose environmental and humanitarian regulations, it is probably easy to get frustrated and irrationally hate anyone who seems to be a part of the system that works against them. I might want to go into the corporate world but I don't think saving the rain forest or fighting for human rights are bullshit. The fact that you do only validates these girls' dislike for the corporate world. If you were only complaining about the fact that you get attacked for not sharing their aspirations, that would be one thing. But to actually ridicule someone for caring enough about the environment and other people to make a career out of it? I just don't understand that.

I knew skimming through the post that this would attract shit but was not ready for the total. Thanks for the laugh.