Importance of Undergrad GPA for MBA?

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Hi all -

I am recently beginning to explore into MBA options. It's still early right now for me as I'm going to be an incoming college senior, but definitely something on my radar. At this point I will likely graduate with a 3.5-ish GPA, hoping to reach 3.6 mark by the end of my senior year. I know it's not the best, but is this something that will severely hold me back in terms of getting to a top MBA program (like Harvard, Stanford, etc.)?

What would you say are some of the most important elements of a grad school application? I have some pretty unique side activities that I really think differentiate me (published author, business owner, etc) but I want to work hard the next few years to get to that top program. What's my best approach given my GPA situation?

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May 1, 2013
futureceo:

Hi all -

I am recently beginning to explore into MBA options. It's still early right now for me as I'm going to be an incoming college senior, but definitely something on my radar. At this point I will likely graduate with a 3.5-ish GPA, hoping to reach 3.6 mark by the end of my senior year. I know it's not the best, but is this something that will severely hold me back in terms of getting to a top MBA program (like Harvard, Stanford, etc.)?

What would you say are some of the most important elements of a grad school application? I have some pretty unique side activities that I really think differentiate me (published author, business owner, etc) but I want to work hard the next few years to get to that top program. What's my best approach given my GPA situation?

A 3.5 GPA is good enough that you should stop worrying about it.

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May 1, 2013
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futureceo:

Hi all -

I am recently beginning to explore into MBA options. It's still early right now for me as I'm going to be an incoming college senior, but definitely something on my radar. At this point I will likely graduate with a 3.5-ish GPA, hoping to reach 3.6 mark by the end of my senior year. I know it's not the best, but is this something that will severely hold me back in terms of getting to a top MBA program (like Harvard, Stanford, etc.)?

What would you say are some of the most important elements of a grad school application? I have some pretty unique side activities that I really think differentiate me (published author, business owner, etc) but I want to work hard the next few years to get to that top program. What's my best approach given my GPA situation?

A 3.5 GPA is good enough that you should stop worrying about it.

I think more than the GPA your undergrad school matters far more. If you are at a top 10 school 3.5 is fine but if you are at a top 100 school and a non target for MBB & IB then you would definitely require a much higher GPA.

May 1, 2013
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futureceo:

Hi all -

I am recently beginning to explore into MBA options. It's still early right now for me as I'm going to be an incoming college senior, but definitely something on my radar. At this point I will likely graduate with a 3.5-ish GPA, hoping to reach 3.6 mark by the end of my senior year. I know it's not the best, but is this something that will severely hold me back in terms of getting to a top MBA program (like Harvard, Stanford, etc.)?

What would you say are some of the most important elements of a grad school application? I have some pretty unique side activities that I really think differentiate me (published author, business owner, etc) but I want to work hard the next few years to get to that top program. What's my best approach given my GPA situation?

A 3.5 GPA is good enough that you should stop worrying about it.

I think more than the GPA your undergrad school matters far more. If you are at a top 10 school 3.5 is fine but if you are at a top 100 school and a non target for MBB & IB then you would definitely require a much higher GPA.

He's talking about business school.

With good job experience and a solid GMAT, a 3.5 GPA is good enough that it won't hold you back anywhere.

May 1, 2013

I have a 3.1 gpa in econ from HYP. Can I still get into a top 10 MBA? I work in operational (not strategy) consulting, just got promoted to consultant from analyst level.

May 1, 2013
IvyGrad:

I have a 3.1 gpa in econ from HYP. Can I still get into a top 10 MBA? I work in operational (not strategy) consulting, just got promoted to consultant from analyst level.

Can you? Yes. Will you? Nobody here can tell you that, especially with the limited information you've given.

May 1, 2013

Your GPA shouldn't be an issue.

Just get good work experience, do well on the GMAT, get involved in group-oriented extracurriculars outside of work if you have time (and don't ask what kind of extracurriculars - figure it out for yourself what you're most interested in and commit to it because you want to and not because it's a resume builder -- nonprofit, politics, religion, arts, athletics, social causes, etc.).

Alex Chu

May 1, 2013

I concur with MBAApply, a 3.4 GPA in engineering from an Ivy should not be an issue. 3.4 is a well above average for an engineer from a good engineering program (MIT, Caltech, Cornell, Berkeley, CMU, & Stanford engineering median GPAs hover around 3.1-3.2 give or take). I was recently admitted to b-schools of similar caliber with a 3.0 from Cornell Engineering. I would however make sure that you score 700+ on the GMAT.

May 1, 2013

Good to hear that GPA is not as big of a determining factor for MBA school as I thought.

How about for the top tier - Harvard, Wharton, etc?

May 1, 2013

it's nice to see engineers on the board. i was wondering the same thing and my GPA is 3.35 from a top engineering school. thanks for the input

May 1, 2013

the average entering gpa for Harvard is around 3.5. That means for every guy in the 3.5 to 4.0 range you may have someone in the 3.0 to 3.5 range as well. You will be alright.

May 1, 2013

Not to be a dick, but your email is about 2 years too late. No matter what anyone on here says, we will not be able to change your GPA. Plus your GPA is not bad for a Target school, if your GMAT is good (700
+) you shouldn't have too many issues in my opinion

May 1, 2013

I am just curious why you majored in Business, when that was clearly not an area you were particularly strong in, or cared enough about to work extra-hard in.

May 1, 2013

Any idea what schools place greater emphasis on Jr.+ Sr. year GPA?

May 1, 2013

From what I've heard is that it is very important. Infact its the first and foremost thing that they look at. But also, one thing they consider is your experience, and GMAT and other relevenat extracurriculars.

May 1, 2013

What type of extracurriculars are the looking for?

May 1, 2013

leadership activities... period.

May 1, 2013

One of several important factors. A site that gives interesting info is http://www.mbabuzz.com/- check out the plotter. It gives a decent wake-up call in that even with a strong GPA and GMAT there's still a decent chance you won't get in at a top 10 b-school. If you don't have a strong GPA then you better be able to make up for it in other areas (i.e. great experience, very high GMAT, close friend on the admissions committee, etc.).

May 1, 2013

It's pretty darn important. Your GPA is basically your academic track record over a 4-year period. It allows the school to determine whether you can do well from in class or if you're going to fall behind. So if you have a very strong one from a top-tier school, you're halfway in. Your GMAT (look if you want to do banking and think you're smart enough, you probably can break 700) and your work experience/leadership count for the other half, in my view.

May 1, 2013

GPAs are pretty important at the top-schools but as you enter the lower scchools they are willing to trade off GMAT for GPA

May 1, 2013

ok it's pretty apparent people on here are just spewing out information with a complete disregard for factual data(which is very common on both this board and vault board). in other words, they like to say what they feel is right, though they have done very little research to support their assumptions. GPA is only one of MANY aspects of a bschool application. is it half of the application? absolutely not. is it 1/3? no. i would say for law school, it is not even half (although close) the application. When you look at the top 5 law schools, average ugad gpas are around 3.7-3.8, while for the top 5 bschools, they are around 3.45-3.55.

Most people who go to the tpo 10 bschools are 3-5 years out of undergrad. Bschools really put an emphasis on what you have done during those 3-5 years, so experience, quality of experience, and accomplishments during that period are all crucial.

GPA is not something you want to take so lightly. but if you have a 3.2, dont think you are out of the running for a top 10. make up for it with a strong GMAT, get a respectable job, work hard, become well rounded, get promotions and have a story to tell and you will be a viable candidate for just about any top 10 bschool (except maybe HBS and wharton, which deny gods yearly)

May 1, 2013

I just got accepted to an MBA programme, top european programme.

I think GPA is a small part. MBAbuzz.com seems to confirm this as you see dings and accepts spread all over the plot.

There are a few key questions MBA adcom ask like why does this candidate want to go for an MBA, what will this candidate achieve in the future, could the candidate suceed on the programmeis this someone that would represent the school well.

GPA and GMAT pretty much answer the question of likely success ON the programme. It means that if you have done poorly it is an issue. But between two strong candidates it is not the GPA that will differentiate.

Probably GMAT is better for comparison since it is the same test globally. Some schools are really keen on high GMAt becasue it is part of the class profile.

Cheers

May 1, 2013

I agree. Alot of admission consultants emphasize the fact that they are looking for the "wow" factor in your story. What you have done in your life, why you want and MBA, your work experience. GPA and GMAT are only one aspect, hence why BSchools accept people without degrees!

May 1, 2013

Can someone please name the top 10 b-schools in the U.S in terms of job placement in banks, hedge funds, and PE shops after you graduate.

May 1, 2013

In no way are HBS and Wharton comparable in my mind. There are differences in the selection process. Understanding certain believes and premises in Harvard admissions helps understand HBS admissions as well. Then, one realized that the "gods" that have been rejected might merited the title here based on high GPA and excellent GMAT but have lacked significantly in one key area. If you really want to know more read Harvard psychologists Daniel Goleman and David McClelland. I know it is discomforting to people with hight GPA/gmat score to be rejected but such statistics are a necessary but insufficient prerequisite for admission in Ivy League B-schools, especially HBS.

May 1, 2013

Not sure why individuals feel the need to knock other peoples opinions and thus experiences. yes, your gpa score during u/g is obviously important, and if you think otherwise...well, your being ignorant.
but their are many cases where people with diverse backgrounds can/are accepted. we all remember the annoying moron in class, asking quasi retarded questions.then thinking,"how the f did this person even get accepted to do their u/g".
therefore, understanding what each bschool does to get its $grants$ will bring light to the scholastic/work experience/GMAT mix.

May 1, 2013

the longer youve been out of school, the less important gpa becomes...

May 1, 2013

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May 1, 2013

As long as undergrad GPA is within a certain range it becomes irrelevant. 3.5 and above is good. Clearly it is not the only criterion they look at. GMAT matters as well. Actually, not a bad idea to view GPA and gmat scores together. A good minimum gage for me is GPA 3.7 / GMAT 710. The real differentiation happens elsewhere, however. Especially in the better MBA programs. Essays, work experience, recommendations, interviews, your character in general. There's always Master of Accounting for high GPA low EQ folk. As an MBA and someone who's done coursework at both Columbia Business and HBS, there was nothing more annoying to me than an overly ambitious, all As, socially-inept moron who had no sense of people, timing, opportunity and context. (all very subjective, of course).

May 1, 2013

is there a lot of emphasis on where you went to school?

May 1, 2013

The unfortunate thing that most people don't realize is that the importance of your GPA doesn't end with your application to b-school. When you're in b-school and recruiting, all the BB firms want to know your undergrad GPA, as well as your GMAT. It sucks, but that's reality.

May 1, 2013

Do top B schools prefer candidatese from BB firms?

May 1, 2013

Generally, schools don't care if you worked for a BB. They just care that you have good grades and GMATs, good recommendations, and work experience that shows potential for a good trajectory post-school. However, it might be an advantage in that it could make you more employable. Bottom line: definitely not crucial, but it certainly doesn't hurt.

May 1, 2013

after that work experience is pretty darn important.

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May 1, 2013

Wait, you've been a diplomat and you're asking about admissions?

May 1, 2013

Yup.
Why diplomats cant ask about B School admissions? :)

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May 1, 2013

Hey ,

Just curious as to which University (with brach) you had attended and what was your percentage /CGPA.

May 1, 2013

University of Calcutta ( West Bengal India). My major was about 54% ( poor I know).
And my Gen Eds.... less said the better. A bare 48%. ( The dreaded 3rd division ). See that's why I told - US grad schools would see someone who almost didn't graduate.
Most of us who graduate from this godforsaken Uni find ourselves ineligible for lot of stuff.
The highest in my batch was about a 62%.
It absolutely kills me that I scored this low, but nothing I can do.

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May 1, 2013

Like I said - I get very jealous when a lot of folks here complain about their 3.1 GPA. The majority of us at our University could not dream of such a GPA.

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May 1, 2013

I understand. Im in kind of the same siutation. Lets see what happens. I am not applying anytime soon, getting some solid work expirience first and then revisit my prospects.

May 1, 2013

Hi Gosuke, check out these threads:

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If we're lucky, maybe these professional users will respond: @Almost there lol @rickrob85 @tpk66

I hope those threads give you a bit more insight.

May 1, 2013

Thank you very much:)

Best regards,
Gosuke

May 1, 2013

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May 1, 2013

not too helpful, but I can chime in before actual people who know what they are talking about see this. Some m7 weigh GMAT Score super heavily (Booth I think) so kill that. Also getting a good/great job will be helpful

May 1, 2013

safer to have 3.5 +, but there are many more factors

May 1, 2013
Gosuke:

I am in undergraduate and would like to get into M7, but I'm concerned about my GPA. Does GPA score matter to M7 school in general? If so, how can I make up for my low GPA score (Or can I even make up for GPA score)?

If you have a low GPA, you have to get good experience and a solid GMAT. Of course, getting good experience with a low GPA is quite hard, so networking is key in this instance, at least initially.

May 1, 2013

Hey @Gosuke
Thanks for posting and sorry not to reply sooner. How low is low? If lower than say 3.2, my recommendation is to complete HBX Core after you graduate to show AdComs that you are a mature, self-aware, intelligent individual. Get an A in it please! You don't mention GMAT but you'll want to make sure that your GMAT score helps compensate for the low GPA. Think 750+ for M7 to apply from the best possible position given the low GPA. Then, write an optional essay! Own the GPA, explain what happened, why it happened, what you learned from it, etc.
Hope that helps a bit!
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May 1, 2013

Hi Gosuke,

I agree with mbaMission Krista that low low depends, but to answer your basic question, yes undergrad grades count. I also agree that HBxcCore and other post-college course work can help you. Also realize that grades are not looked at in a vacuum. The courses you took are weighted. Progression at work counts. Test score counts. Leadership counts. And evidence of academic ability post-college as well as how you do from now until graduation also counts. Improvement is possible, at least for this semester and going forward.

For more info, please see Prep for B-School: A 4-Year Guide for College Students & Recent Grads. .

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May 1, 2013

dahyeik, sorry there are no responses yet. Maybe one of these topics can point you in the right direction:

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Or maybe the following WSO members have something to say: @Ygal-Arounian @Revenue Multiple @Alvin-Islam

Hope that helps.

May 1, 2013

If you crush your GMATs and have solid work experience, you'll be fine for nearly any MBA programs.

May 1, 2013

BYU is generally recommended it's low cost and well regarded, I took an online course once when I was in ug, generally you get the ISBN and just buy the book off of Amazon. Time wise it's like any other class, you study, post responses in a forum watch lectures and then take quizzes and exams.

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May 1, 2013

On an unrelated note I would focus on the GMAT first, you'll need a solid score to be competitive for B school as well as maybe jumping into industry. You'd be better off as a SFA at a random F500 than BO

May 1, 2013

agreed with guyfromct - focus on getting a 730+ GMAT

May 1, 2013

I generally agree with the above about getting a great gmat score, especially if you want to go into business school sooner rather than later. If you are willing and able to wait a little bit longer, I think creating/developing solid leadership skills and experiences far outweighs GPAs and gmat scores. All business schools have thousands of monkeys apply with solid stats, but the differentiating factor is truly how unique your experiences are both in and out of work.

I only say the above from my own experiences. PM me if you want more details.

May 1, 2013

Like you, I attended a non-target and work in the BO of a BB. I was able to raise my GMAT by 40 pts from the first diagnostic in about a month and get the score that I wanted. This was exclusively through the use of online resources; I believe I spent about $120 on prep materials in total. PM me if you want tips or want to hear about my approach. I'm more than happy to help!

May 1, 2013

Would you say I'm better off spending my time, lets say possibly trying to get into a better position as well as busting my butt on the GMAT as opposed to making an alternative transcript? Even with a terrible gpa? I think i will find a hard time getting a somewhat good financial position at a f500 with my gpa and background.

May 1, 2013

anyone?

May 1, 2013

1. the most important GPA is undergrad GPA. You can't change it. Even a perfect grad school GPA won't help much. I really doubt extension school GPA helps at all. Why? It doesn't just show your learning ability. More importantly it is a critical ranking criteria for bschool selectivity.

2. a high GMAT is absolutely necessary in ur case. It is the best way to show that you are smart enough to survive bschool coursework. GMAT also plays an important role in ranking. It is pretty common for a weak GPA applicant get into non-HS top school with good GMAT but rare for applicants weak in both GPA/GMAT.

3. there is nothing wrong with BO roles. Every year there are tons of BO people get into top bschool. Of course it would help if you can switch to FO role but you should not bet ur chance on unrealistic goal (given ur school/gpa). Work hard in ur current job and try to get exposure to large projects and show leadership/impact to your group.

May 1, 2013

Adcoms look at the total package. You will have to provide transcripts from both schools, but they will look at your first school, see the 3.3 GPA and then see the 3.9 GPA you earned at the school you transferred to and think "Okay, so this kid matured academically and then buckled down after transferring schools."

Honestly, though, business school admissions is a total crap shoot, so don't feel too bad if you get rejected from your top choice M7 schools. Trust me, the low GPA from your pre-transfer college is not going to be the deciding factor. The important things are going to be your work experience, your reasons for pursuing an MBA, your GMAT score and what have you been involved in outside of work.

Work experience is the most important, since there are candidates who have gotten into top M7 schools with low GMAT scores. The former NFL cornerback Domonique Foxworth is a recent example that comes to mind.

For the Average Joe-types who don't have an out-of-the-ordinary story like Mr. Foxworth, business school admissions comes down to being able to weave together an interesting story while simultaneously checking off a few basic checkboxes (e.g. 700+ GMAT, good letters of recommendation, etc.)

May 1, 2013

Also, even including your old-GPA, you'll have a 3.6, which is more than good enough anywhere should you do well on the GMAT. You will not need to explain your GPA away with a 3.6, and your transcripts will show a clear progression.

Just get a good job, and more importantly, do well at your job. You'll be fine should you choose to apply down the road, at least in terms of your grades.

May 1, 2013

Not directly related to your question, but 2 years of work experience isn't much. I think that'll be a much bigger deciding factor in your admission to M7 than that GPA.

May 1, 2013

Hi Lou: To answer your direct question, they look very carefully at your transcript, including what courses you took and the rigor of the program. They will also want to understand why you transferred.
Having said that, you certainly seemed to have pulled things together in terms of your grades in the last 2 years. Unless you decided to go to a much easier school for the last 2 years, the upward trend is a positive.

As for the other posters comments about applying after 2 years, yes, that is on the low side, but you would matriculate after 3. And if you think you are ready, then why not?

Hope that helps

Betsy Massar
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May 1, 2013

you have no chance

May 1, 2013

There are tons of posts about grades in MBA admissions. Look it up.

May 1, 2013

C's on your transcript never look good. But I doubt anyone can give you valuable feedback without knowing anything else about your profile (e.g., your overall GPA, GMAT, work experience, etc.) or the caliber of the programs you're targeting.

May 1, 2013

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May 1, 2013

general consensus is less than 3 years of WE, GPA matters only if it's <3.4, but even then with a high enough GMAT you can overcome those concerns.

May 1, 2013

I have a 3.2... (I got straight Cs in three semesters of required language course, don't ask long story). Will that have a great affect on my bschool chances?

May 1, 2013

Hi bluedevilgirl,

We had a client who had a very low GPA (2.7), but we made sure that in his essay he discussed what contributed to the low GPA. He also talked about how it helped him develop certain characteristics and unique abilities that strengthened his character, and made him a much stronger leader and team player. In his essays he discussed his renewed commitment to academics and explained how he had developed qualities that would enable him to excel in business school and in the business world. He was admitted into both Columbia and Cornell.

For your business school application, you may want to discuss your language course classes and turn the experiences into a positive.

I hope this was of help.

Conrad and the Stacy Blackman Team

May 1, 2013

^agree with the above. It's possible, even with a lower GPA, to get into some top business schools... that said, it's definitely going to hurt your chances if you have lower than 3.5-3.4 and lower than a 3.0 is really pretty much inexcusable. The other thing is that GPA matters a lot for your first few jobs... and without good jobs you're not going to get into a top business school. For example, if you had a 3.3 from Penn (so not good, but okay) and you somehow landed a job in IBD at Morgan Stanley through your dad's friend... you would still have a very hard time getting a job in PE after your first 2-3 years in IBD.... PE firms will look at GPA as the number 2 thing after your IBD experience, and therefore you will not get hired by a top firm... which in turn won't help with business school.

Note to kids still in college: GET GOOD GRADES, ITS VERY MUCH WORTH IT TO "WASTE" THE TIME.

May 1, 2013
International Pymp:

Note to kids still in college: GET GOOD GRADES, ITS VERY MUCH WORTH IT TO "WASTE" THE TIME.

How about someone with a 3.7? For PE, is it,

...>3.8>3.7 or ...=3.8=3.7?

???

May 1, 2013

Stacy also helped me with a 2.9 gpa - Booth, Columbia, NYU, & Darden. It can be done.

May 1, 2013

I don't really have related experience or knowledge to business school, so I can't comment on the question here exactly. But one comment I have to make is that there are way too many assumptions here. It even comes off as a bit weird, like you calculated out each part of your life and the probabilities and such.....

"I did X, got Y, which means Z. A is unlikely, so will do B, which leads to ADKJFLASJF"

Take a step back, think about what you really want. And ask for advice on how to better set yourself up for that, as opposed to dissing other specialties and acting as if you are just giving up and going for what you are most likely to get.

While they may not be the majority, or typical, there are plenty of success stories from people here with worse stats than you. And who said typical is interesting anyway.

So instead of assuming you will get a certain score on the GMAT (which you don't know), and assuming that you can get a certain job (which you don't know), and assuming that something in your past directly leads to something else, say what you actually want and then work to get there after asking for some people's advice.

May 1, 2013

this is nt a low gpa and youll have a strong gmat. youll probably hve a chance at top 10 with those numbers. next question

May 1, 2013
shorttheworld:

this is nt a low gpa and youll have a strong gmat. youll probably hve a chance at top 10 with those numbers. next question

seconded

May 1, 2013

A GPA is just one part of the equation. Although you are below median GPA, you are above median for GMAT -- i.e. you are a "splitter." You have a good shot at any program assuming you get some good WE and can make the other parts of your app stand out (essays, recs, etc.).

I appreciate the skeptic in you, but it's always better to aim high and fail than to aim low and succeed (you can always fall back). Best of luck.

May 1, 2013
futurexreject:

Note: I'm an underrepresented minority(Mexican) aiming for schools ranked 10-20. Preferably UCLA and up.

This will actually help you get over the hump. If you end up scoring 740, shoot for #6-#15 with most happening around 8-11 kind of stuff. It's still 5 years out, maybe things will change.

May 1, 2013
abacab:
futurexreject:

Note: I'm an underrepresented minority(Mexican) aiming for schools ranked 10-20. Preferably UCLA and up.

This will actually help you get over the hump. If you end up scoring 740, shoot for #6-#15 with most happening around 8-11 kind of stuff. It's still 5 years out, maybe things will change.

With real-deal work experience, there's no reason for him to not shoot even higher.

May 1, 2013
abacab:
futurexreject:

Note: I'm an underrepresented minority(Mexican) aiming for schools ranked 10-20. Preferably UCLA and up.

This will actually help you get over the hump. If you end up scoring 740, shoot for #6-#15 with most happening around 8-11 kind of stuff. It's still 5 years out, maybe things will change.

Does being Mexican really help that much? Damn. I should say I'm Mexican

May 1, 2013

He is heading BO. But yeah I guess anything except H/S is fair game.

May 1, 2013
abacab:

He is heading BO. But yeah I guess anything except H/S is fair game.

Yes, but he's just a junior, and a lot can change between now and graduation. His minority angle will also open up a host of different opportunities.

May 1, 2013
abacab:

He is heading BO. But yeah I guess anything except H/S is fair game.

Basically. Even then...apply. Every year these schools take a few very ordinary people and say "YOU! ...should come to our school, for whatever reason".

May 1, 2013

3.1 is not low? Are you serious?

May 1, 2013
krypton:

3.1 is not low? Are you serious?

3.1 is low when applying for ibanks. I didn't make the cutoffs.

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