LinkedIn InMail vs. email
I found an interesting boutique where I'd like to know more about their job opportunities etc. and found a former alumnus from my school who works there now. I was wondering is it better to send the person a message through InMail or should I email?
The person's nor anyone's email is not displayed on their website, only a generic email for sending applications but naturally I'd rather go personal and contact this person. Which is better? Some people say sending a normal email by adjusting it to the email structure is fine, but then some people fear this is sort of stalkerish? And regarding InMails people say they are not as effective as people do not bother so much with messages or checking their LinkedIn profiles?
email > linkedin mail.
not everyone checks their linkedin or has it set up to an email account which they check. email more formal and professional too.
THIS.
Listen to Oreos' advice, not the other guy who posted.
Try the InMail first. If you don't get a response within 7 days, the InMail bounces back due to lack of response. Try a formal email afterwards.
obviously ignoring the "he would never get in touch" scenario and various other options. but you see my point...
i actually want some oreos now.
Definitely email. Different people utilize LinkedIn many different ways. In my experience, the more senior the person, the less time they spend on the site and developing their connections.
Should not be a problem coming off stalkerish? Basically do not even mention where you got their contact details, instead just start of the cold email with "I noticed that you are a former alumnus of my school etc.." ?
Email. LinkedIn isn't the best way to communicate with people. It's a much better way to find out who to network with.
First cold-email - attaching resume or LinkedIn? (Originally Posted: 08/03/2014)
I will be sending out emails to alumni/firms for networking and a quick question was brought up while in discussion with a friend.
Would you recommend attaching your resume or your linkedin profile on the first email you send out?
I personally have been attaching resumes to "provide a brief background," but my friend argued that it might come off as rude. He thinks LinkedIn profile is better, but to be honest, I like the fact that a resume is more concise.
What do you guys think??
A little foreplay never hurt anyone before getting down to business.
No.
From my experience, I've gotten farther with people when I don't include my resume. Personally, I have the (slightly understandable) fear of some MD passing me up because he doesn't realize I have great experience/grades/whatever. However, they always ask for your resume when the time comes. It seems much less forceful IMO. In fact, I've had a much higher response rate for emails without my resume attached.
Your LinkedIn profile is essentially your resume "in 3d". Same thing goes for that. Chances are if they're active on LinkedIn, they'll look you up anyway.
Not so sure. I've done both methods. Achieved a slightly higher response with the resume attached than w/o. I'm guessing it's because whoever I'm emailing, whether it be an analyst or associate to a director or partner, would like to skim over my background a little bit just for some context to determine whether or not I'm worth talking to.
I guess at the same time, however, it could be because I'm at a non-target. The average kid at my school isn't cut out for high finance jobs, so adding in the resume in a way shows that I'm up for the task.
I would not add my resume. It screams "give me a job" in the first email. You don't want to do that. I would just include a url to my linkedin (vanity url, of course) in the signature so the reader can know more about me than what I presumably would have written in the body of the e-mail. At this point you just want to say "I am interested in learning about your work"
I attached my resume whenever I email someone that I want to connect to professionally. I've actually heard both ways (to attach and not to attach)... it's preferential.
I usually send a collegial though polite email, and just attach it. I think it can serve as a "this kid isn't wasting my time" check.
LinkedIn Cold Emailing...is it ok? (Originally Posted: 04/01/2013)
Hey guys,
Question about LinkedIn etiquette as it pertains to cold emailing.
I found a job listing on the career section of a company that I am very passionate about.
I applied online but I do not want to just sit and wait for a call back. I want this position really badly and I just want to express that passion but I don't personally know anyone at the company. I'm definitely qualified. I found a number of contacts on LinkedIn that work in the department that I am applying to (ranging from junior to senior level) and I messaged a couple fairly junior guys to introduce myself and ask for a chance to speak via phone or over coffee.
I got only one reply and the feedback was essentially "I would find other ways to network rather than cold e-mailing"
My message was short and to the point. I wasn't aggressive in any way. If I was in this persons seat, I would easily spare 5 minutes for a call. I was pretty thrown off by the feedback.
So the question is...is cold emailing considered desperate or inappropriate? I can see how messaging over LinkedIn could be taken as both good and bad but does anyone have advice for this?
There are several other people I want to email at this organization (and some in fairly senior levels) but after this initial feedback, I am hesitant.
Thanks a lot guys.
That guy sounds like a dick.
I've sent some cold e-mails through linked in when I wasn't able to find their company e-mail on their website. Honestly I don't look at cold e-mailing over LinkedIn any different than cold e-mailing their company e-mail. One of my most promising informational interviews came from a message I sent through LinkedIn.
That guy is probably just a dick. What exactly did he say?
It's worked very well for me in the past. I don't know if I would bother trying to network (outside of formal means) with this firm - seems like they don't appreciate cold emails. Maybe he had a bad day/is a dick, but you don't want to jeopardize your chance.
i used it before and it worked! i emailed an MD though not a junior person who is probably afraid of incoming competition ;) i would say email decision makers, VPs or MDs and dont worry with juniors! good luck.
oftentimes the junior guys can get you an interview so don't listen to this advice...you should be e-mailing junior and senior guys (not all at once all at the same firm)
When I first graduated and was looking for a job I would do the exact same thing. Find a position I was interested in, then use Linked-In to find people in that department and in the region where the job was listed. I mixed it up with the people I messaged, I would message maybe two junior guys, one mid-level guy, and if I could find him the VP of the dept. I'd say I got messages back about 10% of the time but they were always positive and helpful. The one VP even started with, "keep doing what your doing because this shows some initiative."
I'd keep at it.
That does sound like a harsh response, just shrug it off and keep networking.
I agree with the above posts. I've had some success cold emailing via Linkedin. keep at it and good luck!
In this case: Email vs Linkedin (Originally Posted: 11/07/2013)
Sent a LinkedIn Inmail to an alumni of my teaching program (think Teach for America, with waaaay less prestige and located internationally) about 6 months ago to set up an informational call. He responded, three weeks later with a quick message saying he'd love to talk, when is good, etc. I responded the next day with times/dates and saying I was flexible and he never responded to that.
I am in my last year on the program and looking to get a little more aggressive in my looking. He is an MD, so pretty high up and when I googled his name, it popped up on a paper he'd written for the firm that also had his email address.
Should I email him or LinkedIn message him? If I email him, I might have to answer the awkward "how did you find my email?" question...
E-mail him. It shows your tenacity if anything (done it quite a bit).
Can you send me a LinedIn Inmail too? Just message him from LinkedIn again and if he doesn't respond, move on.
Regarding that "awkward" question, I feel like if you can't find out someone's email address in less than 3 minutes, there's no hope for you.
I could either inMail him or email him (I have enough inMail credits if that's the question).
The last time it took him 3 week to respond to the inMail so I'm thinking he doesn't check it all that often.
True, it's easy to find an email address (for high-ranking peeps) but does it cross a line into creepiness if I've already messaged him via Linkedin?
e-mail him and don't turn back.
email. If you're worried about the potential awkwardness just say you found his email when you googled him, maybe he will be flattered.
Email. Casually mention it- will show your conviction
Is this a real question?
I'd like to know which one of these, in your very strange mind, is 'creepier': stalking somebody through linkedin and messaging them, or logically deducing someone's email based on their name and company.
Email him, and don't for a second think he will ponder on the 'significance' of you emailing him vs messaging him on LNKD. As an addendum, if he gives his phone # for a phone chat, you do NOT have to play it cool with the 3 day rule ;)
I think Email is the best option ,linkedin is also good but when it comes to constant reply and results then Emailing is still a best option.Apart from making professional contacts.
LinkedIn or Cold-Emailing? (Originally Posted: 06/02/2010)
So, I would like to secure an internship for Jan-June 2011. Northeastern Co-op program. This will be my 3rd internship. I haven't done any in IB, but I have been research companies and have a huge list of potential firms.
Should I just cold-email or is LinkedIn a better way to go about this. My gut is LinkedIn, but how can you effectively message someone without being too wordy about the program and what not for the initial contact.
Anybody have good success with this??
do both buddy
Just do both. You have nothing to lose and most guys appreciate a little pro activeness.
Cold-mailing very small boutique for IB internship (Originally Posted: 02/15/2011)
I am a Computer science student, currently finishing my bachelor's degree, and would like to work in IB after graduation.
To get my foot in the door, I am considering cold mailing a very small boutique in my city (5 people, MD is former GS). They don't have any structured internship programs nor do they advertise any open positions for internships. I am based in a country in Eastern Europe, not in US.
So I have some questions: - Is this a good idea? Any other ideas how to get started?
For a summer position, when should I mail them? Should I mail them as soon as possible?
I have very very limited knowledge about finance, so if I get the internship I am scared that I would not learn and contribute as much as if I had more exposure to finance beforehand. What should I do to prepare? I was thinking about buying the Break Into Wall Street course and learning from there.
Thanks!
bump
Banks are in the process of securing interns right now. You had best get stared as soon as possible
Last Minute Cold Calling For Internship? (Originally Posted: 08/11/2011)
Hey WSO,
I am going to be a Sophomore this next year studying at Stern and I am hoping to find an internship for the fall semester. This last summer I spent mainly reading books on IB, working a consulting internship (mainly filing), and generally just having fun.
I plan on cold calling regional boutiques next week and I was wondering how one would approach this. Most forum topics, guides, and people said that I should take a softer approach, asking questions first with follow up calls and such but that's for long-term networking right? And I don't have too much time left before the semester starts.
Should I be direct and say "Hey I'm AZMonkey and I am going to be a sophomore next year at NYU Stern. I am looking to gain experience in investment banking and I was wondering if your firm offers internships for this fall semester?"
Or should I take the questioning, follow up email, second call, etc., finally asking the question of hey can you help me out?
Should I also mention that I am willing to work unpaid? I am really in it for the experience.
Thanks a lot guys, I wouldn't ask if I could find an answer in previous topics.
Best, AZ
I would like to know this too, as I have recently reached out to 20 different boutique investment banks in the Chicagoland interview and don't want to botch a possible connection by moving too fast.
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It worked for me this summer.
I basically e-mailed every boutique in the regional boutique thread in my region with a short message similar to yours. Just keep at it, it took me a long time to actually get an interview - but all you need is one.
Hey boudinot, did you include your resume on the first email or did you email with an inquiry first and then followed up to their response with a resume?
Yes, be direct. I pretty much mass emailed a whole bunch of boutiques what you just wrote. Most did not reply, but around 20% of people did. And around 5% actually had openings, so you will have to email a lot of banks.
I did not include a resume, but I did briefly detail my experience in 1 sentence.
Getting a part time internship through cold e-mail? (Originally Posted: 07/11/2014)
Hi everyone,
I am a rising junior (or rising sophomore with a year of credit through exams, i am an international student and I am not sure how it is defined) in a west coast uni (semi target for bb). I am doing two intern this summer (business research at a boutique and mo role in a big commercial bank) My school has strong alum network but I would like to know how easy I can cold e-mail and get an unpaid part time intern in research/valuation at shops like JLL/CBRE Do those alum have any say in recruiting part time unpaid interns just like cold e-mailing for pwm intern?
Thanks
Its corporate so prob not. If its valuation and research you want, hit up smaller appraisal shops. Integra comes to mind.. they are a big company too, but the offices are small and the guys who run them are usually old men who may be open to hiring an unpaid intern for the summer. Call them, then follow up with email.
Why the Hell not, it worked for me.
Just make sure you follow up with the call, and good luck in charming his/her assistant/secretary who will be manning/screening his calls.
Once you're past that initial barrier, and you get through, it'll be plain sailing.
Get to the point, be concise and sound serious - tell them what experience you have (if any) and tell them which/where you'll be wanting to seek experience from. Good luck!
I got my current internship at a small appraisal/brokerage company through a cold-email.
At a large company like CBRE, etc you basically have to know someone. I cold called (much better than emailing) and cold emailed about a 100 firms and the end of the day had about 10 to choose from. Buy those who gave an interview were all smaller firms. Alumni connections or family relations are your best bet for a JLL/CBRE etc.
You're totally right about that one. Most of the associates at my shop this year have family who are in financing, development/acquisitions, brokerage, etc. I work at a big national firm in one of the more flagship offices. Got my job by cold calling the #1 broker for a product type I wanted to work. Hired me on the spot after I finally got him to meet me. Please note that we had been going back and forth over the phone for about a month. That's how you get business in brokerage anyhow.
My advice to marc2: "Pick up the phone and start dialing. . . "
Don't send an email. COLD CALL for christ sake you're calling brokerage shops that's what they do.
Doesn't matter what area of practice within the shop you plan on working in, at some point somewhere folks in that group are cold calling and driving business in. Call first, and then send a follow up email. You'll do just fine.
cold emailing networking question for junior internship (Originally Posted: 07/26/2015)
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Alumni Networking: Linkedin or School Email? (Originally Posted: 08/08/2013)
Hi all,
I'm fairly sure this question has not been asked before and it's pretty simple: If an alumni is currently working full time, should you be sending emails to his old school email (which he may not check often) or his linkedin profile (which he also may not check often)?
Sometimes on their LinkedIn profile, it will list their primary email address. Outside of that, I'd just go with both options u mentioned above - neither one is a gurantee of a quick response.
Why not just their work email?
I guess I was trying to ascertain what to do in the case I don't have access to their work email. I also do not want to come off as too pushy to get their attention so I was curious which method would be preferred if I could only choose one.
Usually you can find the e-mail format for a company if you dig enough. I've never gotten a negative response from emailing someone when their info wasn't listed on their resume, I usually just say "I found your information while searching for X alumni in the X industry".
That's a fair point. Thanks a lot guys! It helps a lot.
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