Is it hard for Math majors to get into Finance Ph.D Programs
Hi, I am a junior at U of Texas. A double major in honors Mathematics and Economics. I wanted to switch into business for graduate school. I had heard that lots of programs look for people with strong math backgrounds.
My gpa will probably be in the 3.85 - 95 range and my GRE will probably be about 800 Q and 700 V. What programs would I be able to get into? Would I be able to get into the top schools?
Your major and GPA are strong, but unless you're looking to apply to business school directly from college (I wouldn't recommend this), the work experience you get will be a major factor as well. If you're on this site, I assume you're considering a job on Wall Street. With strong math skills and an interest in the markets (you may need to take some classes, join your finance club, and become a regular consumer of the Wall Street Journal, CNBC, etc) you could be an attractive candidate for a trading position.
You will also probably need to take the GMAT. Many schools require the GMAT, not the GRE.
It's smart to start thinking about business school now. You'll have time to build a compelling story. Take a look at this advice about building a Succesful MBA Application - http://bit.ly/UNlts . Factor this into your plans over the next few years and you should be in good shape.
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[quote=formerMD]Your major and GPA are strong, but unless you're looking to apply to business school directly from college (I wouldn't recommend this), the work experience you get will be a major factor as well. If you're on this site, I assume you're considering a job on Wall Street. With strong math skills and an interest in the markets (you may need to take some classes, join your finance club, and become a regular consumer of the Wall Street Journal, CNBC, etc) you could be an attractive candidate for a trading position.
You will also probably need to take the GMAT. Many schools require the GMAT, not the GRE.
It's smart to start thinking about business school now. You'll have time to build a compelling story. Take a look at this advice about building a Succesful MBA Application - http://bit.ly/UNlts . Factor this into your plans over the next few years and you should be in good shape.
100% wrong. PhD programs don’t give a flying fuck about your ecs and stuff like that. Work experience is not important either. PhD programs want people who can do high level academic research. Time in industry is really not relevant. They want pure brains.
Now to answer your questions: YES!!! In fact, math may be the best major for a finance PhD. Several math courses are perquisites. I was a finance UG major, and I would have to take these math courses part time before applying.
I have an MSF and have strongly considered getting a PhD. Finance gets pretty quant at the high levels. Math UG is perfect foundation.
My buddy was a math UG and got into an elite (Wharton/Stanford/Uchicago) Finance PhD this year (after a year in an MSF).
See this forum. It’s a great resource for learning about PhD req’s
http://www.urch.com/forums/phd-business/
But it sounds from the title that he wants to know about getting into a Finance Ph.D program not BSchool. With a hard major and great GPA I don't see why not. But do you really want a Ph.D? You don't need one with a hard major like math and as the person above me said a lot of traders are math/engineering majors since the job requires a lot of math affinity.
So what do you do? -I work for an investment banking firm. Oh okay; you are like my brother, he works for Edward Jones. -No, a college degree is required in my profession
Most students apply to PhD programs in business directly after undergrad. You need to have strong grades, which you do of course, and really strong letters of recommendation from professors the admissions committee will be familiar with... undergrad math is the ideal preparation for finance graduate study.
Work experience is largely irrelevant for PhD programs and may even be looked down upon- less so in the case of finance and more so in a 'pure' field like economics. Your intro classes in a finance PhD will basically consist of Micro (Mas-Colell) and Macro (prob. Stokey-Lucas or Sargent) and then an econometrics sequence (Hayashi, maybe Hamilton) and an optimization/math methods class (prob. Sundaram?). Asset pricing (Cochrane) and intro continuous time (Bjork or Cambell, Lo, MacKinlay) usually are in the 2nd and 3rd semesters...
It is really tough to get into a Finance PhD, along with Operations, probably the lowest admit rates and highest entering qualifications, on the order of 2-4% acceptance rate. To differentiate yourself, it helps to get some research experience with a prof, maybe this summer or early in your senior year (from experience, easier said than done)...
If you want to work in the private sector, a federal reserve research assistant is probably better than the research group of an investment bank (academics tend to look down on research undertaken at banks unless it is someone well-known like Lipton, Bergomi, Carr, Piterbarg, Gatheral, etc...)
You should consider MIT's operations research or Princeton's finance phd program. Both are very quantitative and very interesting.
Both incredibly difficult to get into as well.
I agree with formerMD; math is a great major and phD programs care more about the research you've done and the recommendations you get. Getting a masters in finance will really increase your chances of getting into a top program. Your stats are pretty strong as it is, but that one extra qualification will give you an edge. If you do choose an MSF, make sure you choose one of those programs that is geared towards placing in Phd programs.
You're an excellent candidate for a finance PhD. I would make sure you (i) Do a thesis/research, and (ii) Take a programming course to learn C++.
I don't know about hiring into quant programs on Wall St - seems like you'd be a good candidate, but my impression is that a lot of those guys worked in academia for a while doing post-doc.
This may be a dumb question, but what kind of non-academia jobs can you get with a PhD in finance other than hedge fund positions?
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