MBA – Invaluable experience or incredibly overrated?
Monkeys - I decided to write a blog about MBA life. My main goal is to create a transparent view of the MBA. Please refer to the end of this post for further information, background, credentials and objective for this blog. My low post count does not allow a link to a website yet. PM me if interested - I will put it up later.
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MBA – Invaluable experience or incredibly overrated?
There is hardly any graduate degree which value is debated as much as the MBA. Tuition fees are increasing with an alarming percentage each year, while starting salaries are proportionately lagging behind. Inevitably a point will be reached in which the (opportunity) cost of an MBA exceeds the net present value of it. Business schools, admission consultants and vocal MBA students aim to convince prospective students that it will be their best investment in life. Silicon Valley, self-made millionaires and your former employer claim it is a waste of money. So who is right?
The answer may not be as clear cut as either party pretends it is. Proponents of the MBA often cite a combination of the five reasons that will be discussed in this article as valid reasons to get an MBA. This article aims to provide a transparent view whether these reasons are accurate and provide a short action plan on how to move forward.
1. NETWORK
Among top MBA students, the network is often cited as the number one reason to obtain an MBA. Being surrounded by the most diverse and talented crowd in the world should provide any MBA student with an invaluable network.
The bond created between MBA students is incredible and unparalleled. I noticed this during on-campus recruitment. While some of us had gotten offers, others hadn’t. The empathy I felt towards any of my classmates that struck out of on campus recruitment was strong, comparable to the empathy I would feel towards a close friend I had known for 10 years. The whole class felt an urge to help our fellow classmates and was prepared to go above and beyond for them.
While most MBA students at top 10 schools are talented and accomplished, their student body is not necessarily more successful than an analyst class at a well-established firm. It is, however, more diverse. I am a student at an M7 (non H/S) and have friends across all of the M7. The majority of the students are incredibly accomplished, and I am sure this holds true across top 10 / 15 schools too. However, I would argue that any analyst class at a top investment bank or management consultancy firm or tech giant is equally, if not more, accomplished. I am not discrediting the talent of business school students, but be prepared that you are not suddenly surrounded by noble prize winners or unicorn-founders only.
**The alumni network is mostly useful through direct connections. The response rate through an introduction of a school alum that we know in common is close to 100%. The response rate of cold-call e-mails to alums is around 50%. **I often see schools citing a response rate of close to 100% when reaching out to alums. I would argue these numbers only hold true when you have a connection in common. The response rate drops drastically without a common connection. There are more nuances to these numbers which I will elaborate on in a future post.
Takeaway
(1) Get outside of your comfort zone and make valuable connections. It is the last time in your career in which you have a safe zone to practice.
(2) Use the extensive alumni network that you have access to. Don’t be afraid to ask for help.
2. ON CAMPUS RECRUITMENT
A close runner-up for attending a top MBA program is the on campus recruitment. It is a convenient way to select firms that you are certain will hire MBA students for that year.
On campus recruitment does not guarantee a first-round interview at a top investment bank or management consulting firm. Most prospective students are fully aware that on campus recruitment does not entitle them to a job offer or second round interview. However, I was shocked by the application-to-interview conversion rate. It is often cited that a top MBA gives you a ‘shot’ at the top firms. This is far from a guarantee, even with extensive networking. On campus recruiters are very popular and only a select number of interview invites are handed out.
The offer rate for investment banking BB or MBB / tier 2 MC firms is NOT 100%, nor is it close to that number. The consensus on internet forums nowadays is that “everyone who wants to do banking or consulting will get an offer”. I am uncertain whether this was the case a couple of years ago, whether the numbers are largely inflated or whether they are just outright inaccurate. On campus recruitment for first years is over, and there are many students – both in banking and consulting – who do not hold an offer at the moment. The number of students holding an offer in banking is still relatively high, but it is far from 100%.
Takeaway
(1) Network, network, network. Quality over quantity.
(2) Have a parallel path. No really, have a parallel path.
3. OFF CAMPUS RECRUITMENT
Not all firms come to all campuses. Not all industries recruit on campus. How attractive is off-campus recruitment?
Off-campus recruitment is often overlooked and underrated. Be aware that a big part of off-campus recruitment happens later in the year – by the time you may have accepted your IB/MC offer. There are many opportunities available both for MBA students and for non-MBA students. Private equity firms, hedge funds, tech-startups and other less traditional firms often do not recruit on campus, either because they have other effective means to recruit students (PE / HF) or because they do not know their hiring needs far in advance. Many attractive opportunities become available later throughout the year, when a part of the student population already signed an offer at a IB / MC firm.
Takeaway
(1) Research off-campus opportunities before committing to anything. There are valuable opportunities out there.
(2) Not getting a banking or consulting offer is not the end of the world.
4. ACADEMIC VALUE
Even though academic value is often not the number one reason why students obtain an MBA, it often is the core center of a business school.
You will be taught by many accomplished and well-connected professors, but they often teach basic concepts. Use them for more than just ‘learning’. Most M7 schools have many top professors connected to their business school. I would argue that I could have learned 90% of their concepts while reading a textbook at the local Starbucks. Initially I was quite disappointed by this. However, realize that many of these professors are well-connected and prepared to help you out when you want to apply the concepts learned in business school in the real world.
Takeaway
(1) Use professors for more than teaching the concepts in class.
(2) Many top schools have grade non-disclosure. Do not waste time studying (too much) for classes that will not be beneficial for achieving your goal.
5. A TWO YEAR BREAK
But wait. Isn’t business school a two-year vacation break?!
Business School is more intense than you will expect. Unless you are sponsored with a return offer, you will be busy balancing recruiting, academics and a social life. This mainly relates to the first semester. You are getting accustomed to being back in school. Recruiting kicks off only a month after your MBA starts. You need to make 100 new connections and want to be perceived as a social person – first impressions matter after all. It can certainly be overwhelming. While it is an amazing experience, it is time-consuming and can hardly be considered a vacation. The students who received an offer after the first semester can technically (indeed) take a one-and-a-half-year break. However, did you really make a $200,000 investment merely to ‘take a break’. Many students are motivated and will find creative ways to stay busy, either by founding companies, re-recruiting or make a social impact on society.
Takeaway
(1) Enjoy your two years and have a blast. At the same time, treat your business school as an investment in a company. Put in effort to get the most out of it.
It is impossible to tell whether business school is the right move for you. One thing that is often overlooked is whether you have (cheaper) alternatives available to achieve the same result. For example, off-campus opportunities are available to both MBA and non-MBA students. Combine this with extensive networking, and you may save yourself $200,000.
Nonetheless, my MBA experience has been amazing. I would not want to trade it for the world. Were there better (cheaper) alternatives available to achieve my goals? Maybe. It is too early to forecast the exact value of my MBA in my life. Time will tell. Just keep your eyes open and have a healthy sense of skepticism.
Aaron is an MBA student at an M7 school, was admitted to 5/7 schools he applied to and holds an offer to go to the buy-side. He noticed that the majority of information on internet fora, and even information spread around by admission committees and other MBA students regarding an MBA is often incorrect, misleading or biased. His blog aims to create a transparent and objective view of the MBA and everything around it. Aaron has used big data across a large sample of business school students to support his findings, supplemented by experiences by current and former MBA students at top business schools. Aaron chooses to remain anonymous for objectivity and transparency purposes.
Is the b-school experience really that amazing? (Originally Posted: 06/20/2010)
I'm currently in the process of deciding whether I should reapply to business schools.
I'm in my late 20's and there is a decent chance that I might get an offer from a BB S&T desk in NYC, which was my short-term post MBA goal. A lot of people are telling me that if i can get an offer, there really is no point of going to b-school.
The reason I somewhat feel differently is that I had a bad undergrad experience, and my social life in my current city is less than desirable. Everyone constantly says that b-school was the best 2 years of their lives, and the amount of social options is simply astounding. I feel like if I don't go to b-school, I'll be missing out on an amazing experience that I will never be able to replicate.
So is the b-school experience worth giving up 2 years of income and taking out loans for? Or should I just take the job if I get it and not look back?
It's all relative re: how fun b-school is compared to undergrad. Keep in mind that a good number of the folks who went to the top b-schools didn't go to "party schools" per se, and even if they did, they weren't really part of that crowd.
"Partying it up" as a H/Y/P undergrad (or you can include Stanford, MIT, etc or engineering schools like CMU) isn't the same as "partying it up" at the University of Miami, Arizona State, etc.
Most b-school grads will say that it's a fun time overall. But whether it's the "best" of your life is a bit of a stretch - maybe some folks will say that, but most won't. In my experience, it certainly was a fun time, but not a can't miss opportunity.
If you already have an offer for a job that you wanted post-MBA anyhow, I'd just take the job. Yeah, you may be missing out on a fun time in b-school, but not so much so that it's worth spending all that time and money if you already have the kind of job you would want anyhow post-MBA.
Thanks Alex. You make some really good points.
But after business school, people start working full-time and assume more responsibilities. You simply won't have the time to do the things you did in business school, like going out constantly with friends, travelling to different countries, etc. It seems like the b-school social experience will be really tough to repeat after school.
What Alex said plus the fact after working for 4 years or so, people appreciate being able to go out and party on week nights, have Friday's off, etc in a way that you don't appreciate as much at 18, 19, 20.
I don't think b-school is amazing. I don't think you should go there to make up for the fact that your UG sucked. If you don't like your social life, try to amend that first.
MBA = Married But Available
If you get that job you want, take it. After working for a couple of years at a BB you might be able to get into a better b-school. And 2-3 years down the line, you'll probably have a better perspective of whether you actually want to do an MBA.
I think bill shakespeare said it best........"cowards die a thousand deaths, brave men die only once."
hope this helps!
You can grab cocktail waitresses in pairs and bone their Fredo, but you'll never make up for lost time. Accept it and move on. B-school's great if it's what you really want. If a great social life is what you desire, teach 200/300 level undergrad courses at your local state school and turn back the clock Thu.-Sun. There's always a trade off.
take the job. bb s&t is as close to day school as i gets in ibanking. after a few months of productivity and face time, you should be getting out of the office at a reasonable hour. then, if youre still so concerned about social life, blow a couple thousand a month partying in nyc (including weekdays). theres no other place that has a more astounding array of social activity than the big apple. if that doesnt satisfy you, save a good portion of your bonus for two years, take a sabbatical and travel hop for six months. if the firm doesnt give you one, just worry about finding a job when you come back (that shouldnt be a stretch for you given your previous posts).
bschool aint got nothing on those options - youll have more fun, meet more interesting people, explore exotic places and at the end of the day still come in under an mba budget of tuition expenses and lost salary. im only half kidding. again i say. take the job.
~150k to party it up (and a lot more if you include foregone salary)? Very expensive, no?
a lot of people take out loans to finance b-school. i'm not really too concerned about that.
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