Is the class of '12 really that incompetent?

lifeofpurpose
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What do you guys think about this?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527023044...
How many people take hard courses at Ivy league universities?

Comments (22)

May 8, 2012

Waste of 2 minutes of my life. What a terrible article.

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May 8, 2012

Sounds like it was written by the mom of a graduating Swarthmore student who didn't get any good jobs and had a dogshit GPA, but was an absolute whiz at Guitar Hero and smoking pot.

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May 8, 2012
BlackHat:

Sounds like it was written by the mom of a graduating Swarthmore student who didn't get any good jobs and had a dogshit GPA, but was an absolute whiz at Guitar Hero and smoking pot.

I'm a whiz at Guitar Hero, and was captain of the bong team!

May 8, 2012
May 8, 2012

I think we can all agree that incompetence is prevalent within all generations, but there will always be intelligent people who are driven to work hard.

May 8, 2012
Connor:

I think we can all agree that incompetence is prevalent within all generations, but there will always be intelligent people who are driven to work hard.

yessur "the creme will rise up the chimney" as they say

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May 8, 2012

People always will do what is the most economical, broadly based.

Option 1: Work your ass off in undergrad to get a 3.6 GPA with a degree in mechanical engineering and make $60,000 starting out with max of maybe $100,000.

Option 2: Work hard (but still have fun) in undergrad to get a 3.8 GPA in economics or political science, get a job as an IB analyst, make $70,000 / year starting with a max of many, many millions.

There's a reason people are choosing to do liberal arts degrees. It's not because people are incapable of doing CS/Engineering, it's that CS/Engineering is REALLY, REALLY hard (especially at top schools) and the incentive just isn't there. I'm at a top 10/15 known for the sciences, and I can tell you that the students doing well as Biomedical / Chemical engineers are literally working their asses off, compared to the political science / writing students who work hard, but it's just not in the same league.

Or, to put it another way, I took a 400-level poli-sci class as a freshman and did perfectly fine. There would be no way in hell I could walk into a 400-level math class on topology and do well as a freshman. That's the difference.

May 8, 2012
blackrainn:

People always will do what is the most economical, broadly based.

Option 1: Work your ass off in undergrad to get a 3.6 GPA with a degree in mechanical engineering and make $60,000 starting out with max of maybe $100,000.

Option 2: Work hard (but still have fun) in undergrad to get a 3.8 GPA in economics or political science, get a job as an IB analyst, make $70,000 / year starting with a max of many, many millions.

There's a reason people are choosing to do liberal arts degrees. It's not because people are incapable of doing CS/Engineering, it's that CS/Engineering is REALLY, REALLY hard (especially at top schools) and the incentive just isn't there. I'm at a top 10/15 known for the sciences, and I can tell you that the students doing well as Biomedical / Chemical engineers are literally working their asses off, compared to the political science / writing students who work hard, but it's just not in the same league.

Or, to put it another way, I took a 400-level poli-sci class as a freshman and did perfectly fine. There would be no way in hell I could walk into a 400-level math class on topology and do well as a freshman. That's the difference.

Agree 100%. I was a Electrical Engineer in freshman year of college and switched to Econ sophomore year. Results: GPA went up 0.6, made friends who didn't play Dungeons and Dragons, got laid 10x more, and my salary alone is over 2x versus engineers.

May 8, 2012

" But he didn't know who was president of the United States in 1956." This idiot writes an article about how dumb an entire generation is, but can't even use proper grammar in a published article... really?

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May 8, 2012
Futures Trader Man:

" But he didn't know who was president of the United States in 1956." This idiot writes an article about how dumb an entire generation is, but can't even use proper grammar in a published article... really?

Futures Trader Man, can you tell me what is incorrect about the grammar in that sentence? Not a slam on you ... I honestly don't see it.

CompBanker

May 8, 2012
CompBanker:
Futures Trader Man:

" But he didn't know who was president of the United States in 1956." This idiot writes an article about how dumb an entire generation is, but can't even use proper grammar in a published article... really?

Futures Trader Man, can you tell me what is incorrect about the grammar in that sentence? Not a slam on you ... I honestly don't see it.

You can't say, "He didn't know who was the president." it has to be, "He didn't know who the president was."

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May 9, 2012
Futures Trader Man:
CompBanker:
Futures Trader Man:

" But he didn't know who was president of the United States in 1956." This idiot writes an article about how dumb an entire generation is, but can't even use proper grammar in a published article... really?

Futures Trader Man, can you tell me what is incorrect about the grammar in that sentence? Not a slam on you ... I honestly don't see it.

You can't say, "He didn't know who was the president." it has to be, "He didn't know who the president was."

I caught that too. Incorrect grammar is a pet peeve of mine.

May 9, 2012
Futures Trader Man:
CompBanker:
Futures Trader Man:

" But he didn't know who was president of the United States in 1956." This idiot writes an article about how dumb an entire generation is, but can't even use proper grammar in a published article... really?

Futures Trader Man, can you tell me what is incorrect about the grammar in that sentence? Not a slam on you ... I honestly don't see it.

You can't say, "He didn't know who was the president." it has to be, "He didn't know who the president was."

Why can't you say that? I mean your way sounds better, but how is his way incorrect?

May 8, 2012

not a big fan of this guy's commentary in the wsj, esp. today. I would much rather read something by Scott Templeton

May 8, 2012

Seriously, my question is why did he write this piece? I personally also am not too fond of the students who go to school and hope to succeed by studying a subject for its relative ease. I also am not going to write an article in the WSJ where I simply shoot off about how systematic it is.

Was this meant to be inspirational?

May 9, 2012

The president comment didn't really make any sense... He was born in the 70s, so obviously he would have more knowledge of presidents in the 50s compared to someone born in the 80s/90s. What a nub

May 9, 2012

Wah, wah, wah. I like to make sweeping claims using anecdotes. Everyone I meet is a fucktard. Poo.

Guy needs to chill and rinse out the sand.

May 9, 2012

The implicit message he's sending is that he somehow adds value to society for writing a shit column for the WSJ where he shits on young people. That message is wrong.

May 9, 2012

It has less to do with intelegence, and more to do with changing times. 30 years ago the information curve was flat by today's standards. The rate at which knowledge grows in today's world essentially puts downward pressure on memorization of facts that do not change. Why would I memorize who was president in 1956 when I can look that up in an instant. The human brain has limits and with the amount of information out there today we have to pick and choose what we spend time on.

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May 9, 2012

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May 9, 2012

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