Is This A Good List?
So, attached is a list of schools my friend (a junior in high school) is applying to. He doesn't have a WallStreetOasis account but I told him about how much it helps and am pushing him towads IU. So, he made a list of schools. Is this a good list for him to appropriately categorize schools for NYC/Wall Street Banking? Again, thank you so much for taking time out of your job or life to look at the list.
By EXECUTIVE BANKING, he wanted to mean the INVESTMENT BANKING WORKSHOP at that certain school since names are different at different schools.
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Tell your friend to not count his chickens before they hatch.
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May have missed it because I'm modeling at 1:45am, but where is Chicago on there? Also, I think that IU program hinges on grades in school, which are definitely not a given as a high school. I killed it in high school, got into a target, and then when I got there, I was blown out of the water by the work ethic and talent of my peers as well as the workload. No way you can bank on how you'll perform at IU this far in advance. Just a thought.
I don't believe it appears on his list, although I believe it goes under the rightmost column highlighted red.
So, he should include UChicago on the target list. The reason why I'm pushing him towards IU is because that's where I'm going and I like the IB Workshop, personally.
Sure, I understand that, but my point is that if your friend goes to IU, he's not guaranteed to get into the highly competitive workshop. Even if you don't get into a certain program, change majors, or miss your target GPA, coming out of a school with top-tier name branding will still carry a lot of weight. That weight isn't there if he goes to IU and doesn't get into the program.
That list does not look accurate. For example, Caltech is #1 in terms of engineering but not on the radar for finance.
debatable
Your "friend" is out of his mind if he thinks schools like Northwestern, Williams, Amherst (almost all of the LAC's on the list), Georgetown, Cornell AEM, UC Berkeley, CMU, Michigan, etc are 50/50 coin tosses. "He" is going to face some harsh realities at the end of senior year.
Weird assumption to make if you don't know anything about this person's stats. Could have stellar scores and class rank which certainly would make many of those schools potential coin flips.
Weirder to assume that this person is an absolute star rather than the typical top 10% Asian kid. Especially when the OP claims to be "pushing him towards IU" which is admittedly a lot easier than a majority of the list. If he was truly so stellar wouldn't a friend push him to reach for something higher like one of his "Ivy League 50/50s"?
Did your friend mean "Wesleyan University" rather than "Wellesley College"? Because Wellesley is a women's college (and he therefore wouldn't be considering it, I imagine). The two schools get confused all the time.
Also, tell your friend it's "Dartmouth College"--not University. Would suck to write an essay or something on an application where you call the school by the wrong name (what I can only imagine is an insta-ding).
Did you just assume their friend's gender and pronouns? RUDE AF!
Target list is too large - many of those of those schools should be moved to the left by one or even two columns, including Villanova, BC, CalTech, Swarthmore, Wellesley, the Claremont schools, WUSTL, Vanderbilt.
Why are you pushing IU in particular?
He put WUSTL in that column because it boasts a great business program and Olin has a very big alumni base. Villanova/BC are expanding their presence on NYC Banking in the recently years so that's why we moved them to the farthest right column. Plus, BC has had 2 accepted into Goldman Sachs which is pretty impressive. Also, you could argue that Fordham can possibly be put into that column since it has many of its graduates working in NYC MM banks. Obviously, I'm referring to those who excel academically and use the alumni/IB Seminar at Fordham because 60-70% of the kids are essentially dumb.
How do you know Villanova is expanding presence? You're not even in the industry yet... Agree with Binders in regards to the changes.
Why the IU push?
You have a very liberal definition of "target" then. A few high-achieving students from those schools don't justify putting them in the same bucket as the other more proven IB breeding grounds. Fine if you want to lump all the schools together in a spreadsheet, but I hope the ultimate decision process uses a bit more nuanced and realistic thinking.
UNC is pretty low IMO
Honestly, from all the research that I've done, UNC and other mid-level southern schools (Wake, Emory, UGA) are all anomalies for NYC Banking. I won't argue with the fact that UNC is probably your best shot for Charlotte/Georgia banking, but OCR/alumni for NYC banking is just so much smaller when you compare to northern schools (BC, Nova, Ivies, Ross, Stern). You need to put in more effort to get your foot in the door into a BB in NYC if you're from UNC. But this is just my opinion.
I haven't even looked at the list from reading the comments it sounds like he just wrote down USA Today's Top 50 Schools.....
No, trust me. My friend and I have been part of DECA for 4 years and have researched into a lot of schools during junior year summer when we were picking colleges to apply to. We've looked at Poets & Quants (sorry if spelling is wrong), WSO's list, compared the alumni listed on LinkedIn, and just visited the statistics from each college's business program/IB Workshop. Obviously, we took out websites like Bloomberg's list and USNEWS because they deviate from the majority of other lists and don't have a good methodology to analyze these schools.
This list is so stupid in every possible way. I don't care enough to even go into detail at this hour. Spending the time required and money on this many applications is also very dumb.
I'm sorry dude, but the field is getting tough to break into. Call me stupid or whatever word your want to, but we made this list to narrow our choices down to the best OCR/alumni base available to us based on our grades. Very few people even think about banking as a career prior to starting college, but I'm the person who wants to enjoy a 4-year education at a target school instead of worrying about transferring to one and trying to compensate for my lower standards in high school. I hate the people that try to make excuses of not knowing anything about IB when there are so many resources available to explore.
Just keep it more simple like most kids applying to college. Based off this list and the ones you think are tossups and easy admission:
Safety: Nova, UNC, Lehigh, Emory, Bucknell, BC Reach: NYU, Cornell, Northwestern, Georgetown, UVA, CMU, Amherst Bigger Reach: Duke, Hopkins, Vandy
The other big reaches based off other 50/50s will be a waste of time. Should probably narrow this list down a little more based on personal and financial reasons. I'd make the argument this list really overrates Vanderbilt, but that's another conversation that also depends on where this kid plans on working.
Thanks again for everyone's input and I would appreciate it if we can get to a smaller list or help me know if I'm missing any schools like UChicagor or should remove schools from columns
No McCombs? Definitely a target in Houston and at least a semi target in NYC. The only reason there aren't more UT kids in NYC is because it's much farther away and Houston is a two and a half hour drive from campus.
found the UT homer
Lol. This is unquestionably not the only reason there aren't more UT kids in NYC. The dearth of UT alums in NYC finance is one of the things that makes it non-target - the recruiting effort isn't there. And I say this having gone to a non-target state school as well. Why am I going to waste my breath on a Longhorn when I don't give a flying fuck about how alums of UT do.
@nj671 agreed
Recruiting effort isn't there? The NYC offices of just about every BB/EB recruit at UT.
McCombs is a semi-target in NYC and THE target in Houston. If you're in BHP, it's 100% a target. If you're in FAP, you're a bit behind BHP but can definitely get there.
your time is much better spent polishing your college applications rather than analyzing all these different schools. apply to all the top schools that you feel will be a fit and then start maybe making lists and deciding which ones will grant you the best opportunities. this is just so try hard and pointless.
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