It takes 30 NY cops to match a US Marine
but who didn't already know that?
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I saw the video and don't get the point. People have only been physically restrained of had issues when they start marching in areas they don't have permits for. You have thousands of angry protesters, out numbering the cops and swarming and people are surprised one cop gets out of hand?
Cops are trying to keep this protest peaceful. We don't want what happens in Rome to happen in NYC. There are tons of tourists, business men, workers, etc.
Plain fact is the protesters are looking to bait the cops into action so they can post it online as "proof" of their oppression. Meanwhile they are costing the city millions that otherwise could go to helping the poor, paying teachers, infrastructure, etc.
You have the right to protest and be heard, but if you don't have a goal you are just bankrupting the city with this shit. Once again, without a stated purpose and something that you want done, this is occupying a park that is meant to be enjoyed by all the cities residents.
"Wonder how right-wing pundits will shoehorn military vets into their "OWS protesters are anti-American communist hippies"
I'm curious as well.
Simple fact is it's about that time of the election cycle where people get out and protest, well, stuff. Everyone's taking OWS too seriously for the wrong things and generating their own self fullfilling prophesy. Maybe just walk by, tip your hat and say "do what you have to do, and here's the card to my favorite headhunter when you decide to start looking for a job."
The military tends to be more correct wing or at least center right in voting. That doesn't mean there aren't Democratic voters. Republicans tend to be more pro military spending which probably ripples through into the ranks.
Not sure how this guy was vs. 30 cops. They were over staffed for protest or something and this one guy just started shouting at them.
I know where you come from ANT. You grew up among poor people and you detest them. Your white-trash welfare-recipient stepdad prolly hit you a lot.. Your eyes brightened up when you first saw the scene of rich people. You think that they are the epitome of what is good in this world. What you don't know is that despite the appearance, some of them are not less sleazy than the trashy people living around you.. Ciao my friend
Ant, please let me lick your ass crack. Just make sure it is after a long day so I can truly taste you ;)
I am really tired of this 'one person represents the whole' stuff that goes along with the military. There are 2 MILLION people in the military. The fact that this guy was a Marine no more differientiates him than if you'd said '30 cops = 1 guy from Akron" sure there are similarities between people in the military but no more so than there are similarities between people with other, similar, backgrounds.
Its just being used as a 'oh look the military agrees with us' kind of ploy. The reality is the military doesn't care, they have better things to do.
good point. lol @ Akron
I hope his CO sees this video and sees how out of reg he is, fucking sloppy
Just watched the video. The dude looks awful and what is this matching uniform BS? Way to 'represent' idiot.
Yeah, I saw the video. I failed to see the point. Looks like a nut ranting. For all you know the guy is a homeless lunatic.
I have a feeling that this is going to be somebody being preachy to a bunch of people that just so happen to have same job as other people that were involved in an incident... am I correct? If I am, I'd rather not watch. I hate watching people embarrass themselves.
Looks exactly like what we called a "shitbag"
Like this?
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=%22fat+marine%22&um=1&hl=en&rls=com.micr…
[quote=happypantsmcgee]Like this?
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=%22fat+marine%22&um=1&hl=en&rls=com.micr…]
Fuck you, Happy. That guy's not a jarhead. That's some dipshit Army reservist.
Holy shit, do they even make flak jackets for that
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GENTLEMEN
please chill out for a second
this retired marine is obviously not a typical america-hater
he is quite obviously an atypical america-hater
i don't even know which is the angrier mob -- OWS or WSO?
What a gay video. It mad me mad watching it. The guy is literally retarded
Not sure if I'd ever be comfortable parading around in my uniform like that...
"If you wanna kill people go to Iraq". What a jackass...
I'm willing to have messy parks and overtime pay for cops if it means that the spirit of protest is kept alive in this country. Our founders were protesting over a measly STAMP tax of all things and were belting redcoats with rocks hidden in snowballs when not causing a fortune worth of damage on British cargoes.
It's easy to pop on your tri-corn hat today and talk the talk, but ask yourselves honestly: how many of you guys really would have been in that 1/3 of the population that stood with George Washington and Thomas paine? And how many of you would have been in the 2/3 of loyalists and status-quo defenders?
Between a little more chaos and a little more statism, I'll take more chaos any day. We have enough statism as it is.
Even as Republicans, I am surprised you are missing the bigger picture, tactically. What does this mob mean? It means that Obama has already lost the young and the left. They voted for hope and change and they got, as cornel west said, the black mascot for wall street plutocracy. Now they are by-passing him entirely. And as they go, go the independents who have completely broken against O 2-1 vis a vis the 2008 numbers. Observe O and Biden trying unsuccessfully to "own" the movement, to gain their sympathy. If only for the most cynical reasons, you should be toasting yourselves next happy hour that the core of O's coalition is falling apart in real time right in front of your eyes. Napoleon said never to interfere with your enemy as he is destroying himself. Chew on that.
Am I the only one who was expecting to see a brawl between the cops and the marine?
Sgt Shamar Thomas, MOS 3051
"Warehouse Clerk"
Eminently predictable...
That's not what he was getting at, but you do a good job at impersonating an OWS member (most that I've encountered) that doesn't have any actual reason to back up the fact that they want free money, so they resort to personal attacks and irrational assumptions...
really helping your cause buddy
yup, a wall street message board is a really great representation of modern day capitalism... your amazing logic continues
Amigo, first I'm not using any type of reasoning prowess right now so sorry for that. Secondly, isn't WSO the place for the WS-employed, target-schooled, cream-of-the-crop-of-the-capitalism-system kids hanging out ?
No, actually 'those' people have jobs and are at work.
You posting this from the park?!?
Regards
Get some help man. No dude is licking my fucking ass. Take that shit to backpages or something.
^^^^ I think a OWSer just found this website, now it is only a matter of time.
Actually, I hope they do. It will only help make Patrick more money.
edit: too late
And I doubt it. More like another member who created a profile to talk shit. Lame as hell.
Disclaimer #2: I'm not TheKing (probs to the guy with his arguments for the left) if that's what you're thinking.
Disclaimer: I'm not a phucking dirty-ass, hippie-ass, unemployed OWSer. Anybody say otherwise should be phucked in the butt by a male horse.
So you wanna lick Ant's ass crack and watch somebody get PHucked by a male horse?
... you wanna meet up n go bowling or something?
This is hillarious.
Rollin's - If you want to be a lefty, fine. Add something to the conversation. If not, you're a shitty troll at best.
Okay argument #1 bud: Why are corporations should be free of all regulations while people should do anything they can to fit into their molds in the capitalistic system ? To add to that, there is a bunch of "values" systems (more like interpretation of these systems by batshit crazy and selfish people): Christian values, "American" values, "Founding Fathers" values, you name it.
T. Rollins, aka TheKing; let this be your first warning. If you make another account, next time I will ban you.
This is your first warning.
I don't give seconds.
TheKing might be mad as phuck right now if he figures this out.
haha
Shut the fuck up. do you really have admin power now? You little squirrel! Thats great!
No you!
Your English is a little tough to understand, but I will give you a pass since I can't speak a second language. Forgive me if I don't exactly answer your question.
1) Corporations should not be free of ALL regulation. I believe in eliminating wasteful or unneeded regulation. If you think everything coming out of the government is perfectly necessary you are nuts. Frank Dodd was passed without them even knowing what was in it.
Some of these regulations are good and appropriate. Others are fucking retarded. Since we are competing in a global environment unnecessary regulation makes American companies uncompetitive and American workers too costly. If you want to create jobs, you will get rid of the pork and fat.
2) What value systems are you talking about? Individuals are free to believe whatever they want. The only true American value system is the social contract that this nation was formed on, the US Constitution. The Constitution is one of America's greatest exports.
Don't know if this comes as a surprise or not but I agree with all of the above. However, I personally believe that: - The biggest waste of them all is the need to heavily arm yourself then once in a while waging wars at random nations for no obvious practical reasons (N.Korea ? Vietnam ? Iraq ? ...) - Don't blame all the mess on Obama. W. was 10-times a catastrophe to America than Obama will ever be if he even tries. Name me one batshit crazy, radical thing that the black POTUS has done (ok ok I don't really like the healthcare thing too but hey even Romney did something almost identical and it's far from radical from my perspective). - Some of these regulations are of, by and for the corporations so they could find a way to profit from them - The market mechanism might be the best that we have right now but it's far from perfect. You only need an Econ 101 to know that.
Okay my previous posts were totally and rubbishly trollish. Your English are 10x times better than mine will ever be. And I'm not an OWSer (prolly a sympathiser) And I'm not The-Phucking-King, Jesus Christ.
1) We choose to have a strong military. I've posted many times that the US military is only 20% of the Federal budget. Of that 20%, 25% is pay, pension and benefits for soldiers. This includes national guard (which helps across this country), Coast Guard, Army Reserves, etc.
For all the bad things the US military is said to do, how about the good things. Who was there in Haiti? Who fought the Korean war and continues to be a strong deterrent to the North Koreans. Do you really want the North to take over all of Korea? Regardless, the US military is in our best interest.Foreigners will have a different perspective and that is fine.
2) No one blames Obama for everything. Yes, Bush had a lot of fault. But when you run on Hope and Change and do none, you are going to get criticized. Obama has blamed Bush for years now, but when you have been President for over 2 years, you have to take the blame yourself. He wasted a Democratic Congress by pushing healthcare, which is very contentious. He could of done a lot with Congress and the Presidency, instead he wasted that. He was also extremely divisive and it is now costing him
He spent a trillion dollars on stimulus with dubious results. Maybe things would of been worse, but they sure as hell are not good right now. His new spending bill was dead on arrival and he knew that. Instead of trying to pass something that the Republicans would of accepted, he choose to put up something that was doomed to fail, simply for political reasons. I think it was smart and a great strategic move, but when you run on a change and anti establishment ticket and you play the same games everyone plays it stinks 10x's as much.
3) I agree that companies want regulation. They use it to keep competition out. These are exactly the regulations you don't want. It is a barrier to entry and an inhibitor to true competition.Once again, the government does this, not business.
4) Capitalism is the least bad solution. You are correct. Please tell me another economic system that makes more sense and will work with human beings? If you do I am sure there is a Nobel medal with your name on it.
To think that i started this as a jokey funny man bites dog thread. Seriously kids its just politics, not personal. Just laugh at it.
1) National Defense is a true job of the Federal government. It is something that the states and individual cannot do. This is why we form an overarching government entity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg
Here is the 2010 budget. Yes, we need to reign in defense spending, but this idea that defense should be sacrificed for the sake of things that can be done at the state or individual level is foolish. If you have ever heard of MADD then you know a strong defense CAN and WILL keep countries like China and Russia from launching their birds.
Also, we need a ready and standing military. You cannot raise a competent military in a moments notice.
Regardless, this is about personal opinion. Some people think we should gut defense, some don't. Either way, national defense is something only the Federal government can do and it should always be in the realm of the Federal government.
2) Not sure how you think the Correct wing is more hostile. Yes, Democrats talk about social programs, welfare, spending on schools, etc. On and on they talk about nice freebies. You need to ask yourself though, does the spending actually get the desired results. After all, the money they spend is YOUR money. You could save it, spend it, donate it, etc. Whatever you want. Once the government has YOUR money you lose all control over it. It gets spent in a way that best gets votes.
Look at it like this. Consumers are a major driver of the economy. Tax revenue is money that the consumer cannot spend or invest. That is fine, but if you are taking from a major driver of the economy you better make it worth it.
Social Security is nearly insolvent. Medicare/caid is full of cost overruns and waste.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education
Here is what the DoE does. Do you think you get your $50 billion's worth?
This is repeated over and over again.
Republicans tend to be for less government and less taxation. Think of all the ways the government interferes with your private life. Telling you what to do. Helmet laws, seat belt laws, forcing companies to tell you how many calories are in food, on and on.
Wasteful and unnecessary rules and regulations. Do you really need a $100 dollar ticket to tell you to wear a helmet? Or is the thought of your brain on the road enough? I ALWAYS wear a seat belt and would always do so, regardless of the off chance of getting a fine. Do you really need the government telling you that McDonalds is unhealthy?
Did regulation and the government stop the oil spill? What about Katrina? The Department of Education has had cabinet level status since the 70's and we have continually spent more and more on education. Has the USA improved or gotten worse in global educational standards?
See my point. Good intentions don't equal good results.
As far as government spending helping the economy, yes, I think it does sometimes. The problem arises when the government takes money away from consumers and then uses it to stimulate the economy. The government is sucking the air out of the system and then blowing a little back. Government spending in a recession is necessary only when the consumer has the maximum of their income kept to themselves and even then they don't spend.
3) Corporations push for some regulation and sometimes other forces push for regulation to be placed on them.
I think the most clear example is this retarded Durbin amendment. They fees and what happens? Banks find another way to generate revenue. Bam, consumers get hit.
Politicians are not motivated to be the most efficient or do whats right. They are motivated to benefit whom ever is going to elect them. Since we know government has the wrong incentives doesn't it make sense to reduce its size and power? Since we know they waste money and have no incentive to spend wisely, doesn't it make sense to give it less?
4) Here is your problem. Capitalism is the least bad for all of us. YOU think something else is better. Unfortunately whatever you might come up with might not work with my goals and incentives. A system that allows everyone to maximize their utility and one that encourages competition is the best for everyone. If you want to help others or have a softer capitalistic tilt, fine do so.
The problem with liberals and the left is that they think they know what is right and they want everyone to throw in for their master plan. Unfortunately, they do not know what is right and just want to give their voting base more benefits. I would respect them much more if they were truly altruistic, but this is not about helping anyone. It is about growing the size of government and taking care of the people who vote for them.
If you want to help, donate directly to the source. Once the government has your money it will get lost, wasted and come out a fraction of the size it came in.
Do you want to help hungry or homeless people or do you want to pay for a federal pension, new federal building, a study or two, bunch of meetings and then eventually a check to the person? Cut the middle man out and help them directly.
First, thanks for having articulated your points
So calling themselves fiscal con and gov't minimalist meanwhile feeling the absolute need for a gargantuan war machine with no obvious practical reasons does not earn the "Correct" wingers a lot of legit reasoning points with me.
To my knowledge, Russia has so many nukes that they can basically set off them in their own ground then all over the world we can kiss our asses goodbye sooner and later. So the prospect of a nuke war is simply unthinkable. Next time you feel so invincible, remember that it doesn't take more than 19 unarmed terrorists on planes to send America into turmoil. On another note, countries like Switzerland or Japan don't even have armies and are pretty respectable and affluent nations themselves.
Yes we have a lot of problems but I don't see how cutting tax for millionaires and rejecting a bill that proposes a 10:1 spending cut vs. tax hikes ratio will solve all of them. Please kindly explain to me the massive surplus in Clinton's era vs. massive draining of it in Bush's terms.
Yes no real "liberal" person loves government interventionist and bloated regulations. As a pretty cynic person myself, yes, I believe a considerable amount of people are that stupid. They need directions for even the smallest things in life. There are always messed up people in society (I mean straight out messed up but not underprivileged), if you want to let them rot, you've got your point, but it's just not good for society as a whole for both practical and altruistic reasons. I also agree with you that there should be a limit to the welfare state: prolly just enough to keep people survive and young kids high-schooled for those who can't even make it on their own. I also agree that for someone with a $1M annual income, a 50% tax slapped on them is more than enough already.
Just think of the safety net system as this: people have more than what they need right now chip in so that the next time when they're down on their luck, they could be on the receiving end. Is it how the whole insurance game operates ? Furthermore, there's no sense of having a common identity if we don't share anything with each other. No man is an island my friend. If you ever live in NYC, you could see that the public parks, libraries, subway system etc. are what make this city great.
Again, no one is really for bloated government with the exception of maybe the politicians and gov't bureaucrats themselves and those who benefit from that. However, if we have a viable democracy then every elected politician need to cater to their own electorate and convincingly pitches their projects. Cronyism and lobbyists are detrimental to the viability of democracy.
Well, if somehow society could get rid of all the middlemen then WSO could shut up shop in a near future. Just saying.. Yes I agree that altruistic purpose could be done in a private way.
If I feel that a Dem candidate is a sleaze-ball who is just shilling for his vote then I'll take an honest Rep over him any day. But hey somehow the "Correct" size always has their bigger share of sleaze-balls and oddballs IMO.
Progresses are made from paradigm shift. It's true both in natural and social fields. You've got to always make small steps toward a certain direction even not knowing for sure what the end destination will be. Yes, I know that which direction to be chosen is open to debate. If we were always happy with the status quo then the whole human race might still be hunting and foraging in some African savannah at the moment.
Wow, this thread is off topic, holy shmokes. Are active duty allowed to engage in public protests? I mean, what's to say this guy wasn't thrown out of the service and now he's joining the protester camp?
i think the guy is retired. his behavior is over the top, but i just can't get enough of the cognitive dissonance in the cops eyes..."i should be pepper spraying this guy...but he is a marine...but he is shouting angry slogans at me...but he is a marine...mental overload imminent..."
I highly doubt this guy is active duty. I've never known a true Marine that would disgrace his uniform by wearing pieces of all disheveled like that guy, plus it seems a bit small and he has a ton of facial hair...which wouldn't meet regulation unless he had a shaving profile and even then it appears to be too long. I don't think I know a single Marine that would watch that video and say, "Yeah, he represents the rest of us."
I know a guy who almost got into a fist fight with a Navy guy who was wearing a pair of Marine issued camo pants that were cut off and made into shorts...and we were at a yearly family reunion where the Navy guy is a relative and we were just the guests.
Add to that this guy was just inciting potential violence with his angry rants. He didn't change anything, other than people's perception of himself. I hope they get him back on his meds.
Does anyone know how many Tea Party members got arrested when they were holding their protests? I never really heard about any but that might be because the media is in their pocket, lol.
Regards
If you are active duty military, you can engage in protests though not in uniform or in anyway show your affiliation with the service.
Also, he was a warehouse stock boy...
Fair enough. I'll change the title to "It Takes 30 NY Cops to Match One USMC Stock Boy"
The dude has a CAR, so his MOS doesn't matter... I've seen paper pushers who are more salty than some 03's.
The dude looks like a poster child for a shit bag, but regardless of that, he saw something he didn't agree with and voiced his opinion on it. Was it in the best way? Probably not, but he got his message across to some of them.
He yelled at the cops and the stood there. I doubt 30 police officers were called in just for this guy.
How many CCNY drama credits does he get for this?
CARs, CABS and CIBs dont mean shit anymore. I know plenty of guys that have them and don't deserve them and plenty more who deserve them and don't have them. Please don't tell me a CAR legitimizes anything.
If that's true, that might be the saddest thing I've read in quite some time.
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