JD/MBA Admissions Advantage

Very sorry if this has already been discussed.

I am wondering if admissions into top MBA programs is any easier if one is already a student at the law school. If so, do you know which schools give the most "boost"? I read somewhere that both Penn and UChi give somewhat significant boosts to current law students wanting to enroll into the JD/MBA program.

If a small boost is given, would that not apply to a candidate who has work experience but very little undergraduate background in math? Is undergraduate math experience somewhat of a prerequisite?

Thanks for the insight.

 

I am not sure about Penn and UChi, but I know for schools such as Harvard, you need to get admitted to both programs INDEPENDENTLY. So I guess it depends on the school?

What courses did you take while in undergrad? If you didn't take any calc then that might raise a flag, but besides that, if you score high on the GMAT quant section, you should be fine.

 

I think every top jd/mba program except northwestern requires SEPARATE applications to the law and business school. Applying as a law student makes it a bit easier, but you still need decent work experience. If you went to law school straight out of undergrad then you probably won't get in.

 
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Betsy Massar:

Going to disagree that it's easy, at least at Penn. A few weeks ago, some of my colleagues and I met with the Wharton/Penn JD MBA program in Philadelphia. I came away with a very different picture of the JD/MBA program, and that the application process and selection was extraordinarily demanding. Here's what Colleen France, Associate Director of the JD/MBA program said:
-- Students have to take the LSAT and the GMAT to get admitted to the program
-- "It's an incredibly academic and rigorous program"
-- "The program is really the intersection of two degrees, we do not consider candidates who 'just think it would be nice' "

I also got the sense from some of the statistics they threw out that the students in that program were graduating at the top of the Wharton class, according to Colleen France, the JD/MBA students are "killing it here."

Summary: I don't get the sense that it's so easy to go through the back door to get a Wharton MBA. Given the requirements, including squeezing 5 years of work into 3 (first summer in classes), taking both the LSAT and the GMAT, it seems like it isn't exactly a walk in the park.

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mbavsmfin:

Not surprised at all by this, given that law school admission requires a high gpa+high LSAT and is much more academic than b-school, I would imagine that the JD/MBAs would crush the wharton classes.

The 2 harvard jd/mba's i personally know both graduated as baker scholars at HBS (top 5% of the class) and said the mba classes were a complete joke compared to law.

Yep. My personal experience (focus group of 1), at HBS was that the JD/MBA students were much smarter than the average MBA students. .

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Without a doubt. My senior year at undergrad (top 5 school) I took an MBA class and was stunned at how easy it was. But of course, we all know that b-school is not about the classroom learning but rather the dynamic environment outside of it.

 

I don't know if the MBA program can be considered easy by any stretch -- some classes might be easier than others, but in general, it's a lot of work and a lot of critical thinking. Not all schools are alike, and if you talk to second year students (especially at places like Stanford) they act as if it's a garden party. But I've seen the look in their eyes when they were in the first quarter, or received panicked emails during recruiting, that the pressure was pretty intense. Again, as a focus group of 1, I have to say my own experience was pretty challenging, and being in a room with 89 incredibly competitive people takes its told, grade disclosure or not.

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Sure. What I meant was that the classes themselves aren't too challenging from an analytic or quantitative standpoint, but perhaps my threshold is high since I took a lot of upper-level econ and math courses at a top undergrad with genius types.

What makes the classes at your alma mater daunting is that half the grades are based on class participation, and combine that with the drama of being in a class with the biggest young overachievers in the world, and you are faced with the pressure of coming across as intelligent and articulate. After all, 20 years down the road, you do not want your classmates, who are now in positions of influence, to remember you as an idiot. But from what I've gathered from my friends there, if you do the work and join a good study group, it really isn't that bad at all. The cases can get mundane, but the actual work is pretty manageable.

Recruiting, on the other hand, is a torturous ordeal.

 

I just had a big reunion, and I was astonished that people did not act as if I was an idiot in class, to my relief. But that might be senility setting in with my crowd.
The big joke about class participation is that it is 51% of your grade, not half. So you really need to try to add value. And that doesn't mean just clamoring for air time. It really means that the rest of the class has to be in agreement that you are adding value -- and after week 3 or 4, the blowhards often (but not always) get put in their place.

Recruiting is stressful everywhere, not just HBS, and the funny thing is, even in the bad years, it all works out. I do remember feeling that I would be "left behind" and that would be a fate worse than death in the eyes of my peers. In my business and in my network, I really don't know anyone who didn't get something that worked out, eventually.

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