Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-accused-...
He was on suicide watch for months. That means they would have constant eyes on him. They would make sure his cell is pretty much bare of anything he could use to self harm. How the fuck does anyone expect me to believe he killed himself?

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Aug 10, 2019

This was 100% predictable. Everyone foretold it on various "conspiracy" orientated forums. The Clinton body count keeps ever rising. Very convenient death for TPTB

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Aug 12, 2019

it could just as easily be a Trump body count.
Trump was closer to Epstein, and it's the Justice Department that runs MCC - the jail where he was held.
It's easier for Trump to be the one who pulled the levers at present.

[edit: seems Heister and others missed the point. My point was NOT to point suspicions at Trump but rather to say that it's way too easy and convenient to just blurt out "clinton body count". You must substantiate such a claim, because it seems to me there are plenty of powerful people - including the POTUS - that had reason for wanting Epstein silenced. Show your work, and follow the facts to the conclusion, rather than bend the facts to fit your assumption.]

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Aug 13, 2019

LOL get the fuck out of here. Trump hasn't spoken to the guy since before his 2003 case, and was the only "famous" person who actually presented testimony for the prosecution.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

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Aug 13, 2019

@earthwalker7 All the Trump supporters get really upset whenever anyone ever mentions that Trump and the Clintons used to be in the same circles because it doesn't align with their worldview. Please hold for all of the "this is fake news" comments that are about to waterfall onto the forum.

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Aug 14, 2019

@heister spoke the facts.

The circle of billionaires in that age group who live in Manhattan is pretty small. You'd be an idiot to think Eptsien and Trump didn't bump into each other from time to time. But that certainly doesn't mean Trump and Epstein were best friends. I have acquaintances in my 'circle' that I strongly dislike but can put on a happy face when I'm around them.

The fact that Trump was the only person in the "circle' to cooperate with federal prosecutors in the case against Epstein speaks loudly.

Actions speak louder than words. Especially when the words come from leftest speculators sitting on the sidelines.

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Aug 15, 2019

So it seems.

I've never gotten so much monkey shit before as when I dared to hint that there's plenty of potential suspects.

The Trump fanboys seem quite keen on the Clinton body count narrative.

I'm not denying the Clintons had motives.

Maybe Hillary put in the call personally to a bag man who went in and strangled that POS Epstein.

I only dared to suggest that there were multiple possibilities, and that one has to take a broad mental approach to solving the mystery, not just jump to one's pre-conceived notions.

One has to follow the evidence and see where it goes, not fit the evidence to one's predetermined conclusion.

There was an interesting op-ed on Epstein's potential ties to intelligence (esp Mossad).

There's the idea that Epstein may have made most of his fortune as an extortionist -in which case, he'd have dozens of powerful people looking to silence him before a trial.

I dispute the relevance heister's point about Trump being de-facto innocent.
Trump severing ties so publicly with Espstein shows nothing.
That could be staged, or maybe Epstein could still have dirt on Trump from prior escapades, or maybe Trump is totally innocent. Who knows.

We're basically in a game of Clue - where every suspect had a motive, all had lots of power and the ability/will to do it, and we probably will never learn the real truth.
Maybe it was Ms. Peacock in the library with the lead pipe or Colonel Mustard in the hallway with the rope.

Or maybe that POS Epstein was seriously depressed or figured he was going to get killed, or maybe they threatened his family, so he actually did kill himself.

Remember the Godfather?
By threatening the witness' life they got him to kill himself even while under tight security.

There's a million ways to get to someone if you have enough power.
Going for someone's family on the outside is an easy way to do so.

Point is... we'll likely never know.

It's another Jimmy Hoffa mystery.

I just find it intellectually lazy for people to jump on a thin conspiracy theory without showing their thought-process.

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Aug 15, 2019
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Aug 15, 2019

He held his breath

Aug 16, 2019

Clarification please?

Aug 10, 2019
Aug 10, 2019

Oh! Guess there is nothing left to investigate then. Move along people!

Aug 10, 2019

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Aug 10, 2019

The circumstances of the suicide do seem preposterous, but before we start pointing the finger at the Clintons, it's best to remember that many, many powerful people are/have been/will be linked to Epstein's sex ring. The reality is, a lot of people probably wanted him dead. Hell, I wanted him dead. Guys like Epstein deserve to be castrated and drawn and quartered. He got off easy.

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Aug 11, 2019

ok hillary

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Aug 11, 2019
tbateman:

ok hillary

Yes, as anyone knows, I'm a partisan Democrat Hillary fan.

Aug 12, 2019

The amount of extremely powerful people (potentially) connected to him is staggering.

Aug 11, 2019

Besides the pedophilia he was supposedly involved with offshoring wealth for the super rich. Its very possible some folks that didn't engage in the porking might have gotten nervous about what he would spill to save his ass.

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Aug 15, 2019

there's also suspicion that he was extorting some of the rich party-goers as well.

I think the line of people wanting Espstein silenced wraps around the block.

Aug 12, 2019
2733278823:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-accused-...
*He was on suicide watch for months. *That means they would have constant eyes on him. They would make sure his cell is pretty much bare of anything he could use to self harm. How the fuck does anyone expect me to believe he killed himself?

Umm, he was arrested 7/6 so he had been in jail barely over a month.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

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Aug 12, 2019

I honestly believe he was killed in prison. While I'm not going to play conspiracy theorist and suggest it was the Clintons, Trump (if you've seen some of the twitter posts out there, hashtags like #TrumpBodyCount or #BarrAssistedSuicide make it seem like he did it), any one of the various powerful and connected individuals who Epstein would expose, or, and this is if you believe Acosta's comments relating to the 2008 plea deal which claims that Epstein was an intelligence asset, it was a CIA/Mossad/Etc. Hit, his suicide seems like more than a coincidence.

First, and let's be clear here, Epstein was held at MCC. MCC has been called tougher than Guantanamo. It's supposedly the hardest prison to be in. He was held in 10 South, which is the high-security wing reserved for the worst of the worst. This is where El Chappo was held. MCC is under 24/7 surveillance, and 10 South is no exception. Second, we know about the initial suicide attempt and Epstein's subsequent placement on suicide watch. For him to try and commit suicide in 10 South should have been suspicious at the onset. If he was being watched 24/7, why was he found semi-unconscious in his cell the first time? That stands out as odd. It's also been reported that Epstein told authorities the suicide attempt was really an attempted murder on his life. If that's true, then there's the already some degree of corroborative evidence that this might not be a suicide.

He is then placed on Suicide Watch then taken off it. After Suicide Watch, based on what's being reported by experts, Epstein should have been in a shared cell and not left alone. Additionally, he was supposed to be checked on every half hour by prison guards. I suspect that he wasn't. Further, it's being reported that there was no camera footage. I've heard two explanations, the first is that there are cameras but not were inside or outside his cell while the second is that he was in a cell with cameras that weren't working. And then there's the autopsy report, which we are still waiting on to be released.

Something doesn't add up here. Epstein was a high profile criminal - this is a case where the prosecution, defense, and the prison should have done everything to make sure he was watched at all times. The former warden of ADX Florence, the only SuperMax prison in the US, went on record stating that given how high profile Epstein was, he would have made sure that either Epstein was placed in a cell with cameras recording him 24/7 or there was a guard placed outside the cell at all times to check on him. Don't get me wrong, he admitted this was a CYA decision, but an important one none-the-less. For a guy like Epstein, who clearly had enemies, how did MCC fail to ensure his safety? It just doesn't read like he tried to kill himself. It feels like it was a planned hit.

Aug 15, 2019

Well reasoned and presented.

I wish more people would take such an intellectually honest approach to trying to figure this out.

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Aug 12, 2019

He was probably gonna talk. Wouldn't be surprised if there are some high up people out there who wouldn't want ol' Jeff running his mouth.

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Aug 12, 2019

I totally agree he was going to talk. This is the clearest case of snitches get stitches.

Aug 13, 2019

Even if he wasn't going to talk... if he knew what everyone thinks he knows then nobody that could be implicated would ever run the risk of him talking.

Aug 12, 2019

I'll echo most comments and say that I believe there may have been foul play. However, I dislike that it's being used to score political cheap points on Twitter. He was connected to so many elites, from Clinton to Trump to Andrew from Britain that you can't pinpoint an obvious culprit.

Even if he did kill himself, it's still unfathomable that he was able to do so without supervision or a deliberate blind eye by the prison wardens.

A guy who has lived an extremely privileged life suddenly turns into a character straight out of Prison Break capable of killing himself while in solitary at a supermax?

If this had been done by say, Slobodan Milosevic, Pinochet or Idi Amin, the ICJ would have already issued an international condemnation. But as Orwell says, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Some low-ranking prison guard will take the rap for this.

That being said, he's done what no politician has been able to do in a while. He has united the right and the left in America in utter skepticism.

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Aug 12, 2019
numbermassager:

However, I dislike that it's being used to score political cheap points on Twitter.

AKA, the President of the United States and "Leader of the Free World" re-tweeting baseless conspiracies that the Clintons were involved in his death.

Unfit. To. Serve.

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Aug 12, 2019

Pretending the clintons didn't do it is like arguing that cheech and Chong didn't smoke the last of the weed at your shindig. Sure it might technically be true but directionally it's false.

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Aug 12, 2019

The reason for all of this is to prepare the general public for the hammer that's about to drop (child trafficking at the highest levels of the government/society (Otherwise known as Pizzagate), FISA abuse on many top politicians (Trump and Cruz being the marquee targets), lying and propagandizing, election rigging, conspiring with foreign governments by top gov officials and corporations (5eyes, China, Google, FB, etc.), money laundering, drug running, and selling top level gov programs to foreign entities, etc., etc., etc.
The name of the game is mental conditioning. For the longest time the public has been trained to be "anti-conspiracy theory" - aka - don't think for yourself and eat up everything the MSM feeds you (choose your flavor of course... Fox vs. CNN). Also, make sure that your arguments take place within the confines of whatever is deemed publicly acceptable by the media and academia. For this reason, Trump has been on an anti-programming mission since before he announced his candidacy.
Over the past 4 years we've had many things happen which will prepare the public for things to come. At the same time, there have been countermoves which are attempts to preempt those things.
1. The MeToo movement. This was an introduction to the idea that Hollywood/politicians were capable of great evils including the sexual abuse of minors.
2. Deepfakes - make the public question any video they watch and assure them that if they see a high-powered person doing something horrendous that they assume it's fake
3. Allow TPTB to push for open borders, free healthcare for the world, elimination of the 1st and 2nd amendments, and no voter ID. Expose the lunacy and malice behind these policies and allow top officials to choke on their arguments.
4. TPTB push for late term abortion and post birth eugenics. This exposes more malice and grotesque lack of morals. It also exposes the true purpose of Planned Parenthood and the black market for baby parts and live organs.
5. All of the misinformation allegations regarding the Trump campaign. While TPTB were trying to overthrow Trump as a president/sow hatred and distrust, Trump's campaign was busy discrediting the media and finding where internal leaks were coming from. This led to the high turnover within his cabinet.
6. Drawing attention to corporate corruption - FTC going after top tech companies. Also drawing attention to the prevalence of money laundering in the government - Pointing out the millions/billions of dollars that Baltimore can't account for as well as all of the book deals politicians are getting.
7. Arrest Epstein. Retell the story of how he was originally charged and spent next to zero time in jail. Make the public aware of an island maintained with harems of underage children and dispense flight logs showing people like the Clintons flying to the island 26+ times. Show connections between him and the world elite - Wexner, Lisa Page, Donald Barr, etc. Release 1200 pages of Epstein documents. Suicide him.
There are many more examples but it would take all day. Regardless, the result is that top meme pages are now posting jokes regarding the Clinton body count and people in the general population (normies) are posting jokes about "Being safe from being suicided by the Clintons". Once an idea hits the mainstream of facebook and instagram memes, that means that more information can safely be pushed out.

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Aug 12, 2019

lol what

Aug 12, 2019
gufmo:

lol what

ditto

Aug 15, 2019

Pedophile rings in government is nothing new, the EU nations are rampant with this shit. It's a pretty generally accepted "We all have dirt on each other" situation. So that everyone keeps their mouth shut about the other corrupt shit that goes on.

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Aug 13, 2019

Found on the internet...

Here is a complete list of over 50 Clinton associates who died mysteriously or committed suicide before testimony.

1- James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder ...happened just after she was to go public w:th her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 - Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller commited suicide.

5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".

7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..

11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 - Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21 - Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

23 - Barry Seal - Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

24 - Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.

27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29 - Keith McMaskle - Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

32 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".

34 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 - Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 - Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 - Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 - Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 - Major General William Robertson
40 - Col. William Densberger
41 - Col. Robert Kelly
42 - Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 - Steve Willis
44 - Robert Williams
45 - Conway LeBleu
46 - Todd McKeehan

And the most recent, Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and "robbed" (of nothing). Wikileaks founder Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandal and a Fox News reporter says she was told that Seth Rich & his brother leaked Hillary's emails.

Not Included in this list are the 4 heroes killed in Benghazi or Hillary Clinton's own brother or JFK Jr. who died considering a run for a New York Senate seat - which Hillary wanted and won after his death.

And you can now add Clinton pal Jeffrey Epstein to the list.

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Aug 13, 2019

Your posts aren't worthy of replies, but just for the fun of it:

People that believe this ClintonBodyCount FoxNews boomer heroin have convinced themselves that the Clintons are international assassins that have ordered hits on ~50 people completely undetected, and yet this same mastermind couldn't set up a private email server without getting caught, couldn't find Wisconsin on a map, and lost a Presidential election to a bankrupt carnival barker who didn't want to win.

You people have brain worms.

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Aug 13, 2019
Alt-Ctr-Left:

Your posts aren't worthy of replies, but just for the fun of it:

People that believe this ClintonBodyCount FoxNews boomer heroin have convinced themselves that the Clintons are international assassins that have ordered hits on ~50 people completely undetected, and yet this same mastermind couldn't set up a private email server without getting caught, couldn't find Wisconsin on a map, and lost a Presidential election to a bankrupt carnival barker who didn't want to win.

You people have brain worms.

Where there is smoke there is fire.
I admitted mine was a copy pasta. Sad to see you didn't do likewise.

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Aug 13, 2019

I think the best case against conspiracy theories is that they tend to overestimate the competence of everyone involved. The amount of people involved and the amount of planning and coordination for most of these things is so outrageous that I don't get how anyone thinks that anyone is that good at what they do.

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Aug 15, 2019
Alt-Ctr-Left:

....convinced themselves that the Clintons are international assassins ...

TBH if the Clintons were a Mr & Mrs Smith-type of international assisins that would be gangsta as fuck.

In that case I might have actually voted for her!

She would put me to sleep with every awkward talk she gave, but if behind the scenes she was taking motherfuckers out in bodybags?

Where do I sign up for that!

Aug 16, 2019
Alt-Ctr-Left:

Your posts aren't worthy of replies, but just for the fun of it:

People that believe this ClintonBodyCount FoxNews boomer heroin have convinced themselves that the Clintons are international assassins that have ordered hits on ~50 people completely undetected, and yet this same mastermind couldn't set up a private email server without getting caught, couldn't find Wisconsin on a map, and lost a Presidential election to a bankrupt carnival barker who didn't want to win.

You people have brain worms.

What do you mean, "You people?"

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Aug 13, 2019

Piece of shit gets caught. Doesn't want to spend his life in prison. Kills himself.

This is pretty straightforward and very far from a conspiracy, much less one involving an ex President or current President.

Christ, people. Is this Wall Street Oasis or Brietbart Oasis?

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Aug 13, 2019
CRE:

Piece of shit gets caught. Doesn't want to spend his life in prison. Kills himself.

This is pretty straightforward and very far from a conspiracy, much less one involving an ex President or current President.

Christ, people. Is this Wall Street Oasis or Brietbart Oasis?

I don't think there is a grand conspiracy. But I do think Epstein probably bribed the right person to let him kill himself. The thing stinks to high heaven.

Aug 13, 2019
real_Skankhunt42:

I don't think there is a grand conspiracy. But I do think Epstein probably bribed the right person to let him kill himself. The thing stinks to high heaven.

I more or less presume prison guards are corrupt in the first place, so that wouldn't surprise me. Not sure that stinks any more than your run of the mill prison corruption though.

Aug 13, 2019

I agree 100%.

Aug 15, 2019

No corrupt prison guard would do that. Anyone who isn't a complete fucking idiot wouldn't touch that deal with a 10 yard pole. This is/was the most high profile prisoner in the country. The DOJ will come down on them like a ton of bricks. Also the prison hasn't had a suicide in over 20 years, and new information just came out today that he had multiple breaks in his heck.

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Aug 14, 2019
CRE:

Christ, people. Is this Wall Street Oasis or Brietbart Oasis?

It's definitely Breitbart Oasis. Have you seen some of the alt-right postings around here the last few years? Bunch of 19 yr-old College Republicans rushing over to WSO to spit back whatever Ben Shapiro taught them on their morning walk to class.

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Aug 14, 2019

You and CRE are the Krassenstein brothers of WSO

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Aug 14, 2019
Alt-Ctr-Left:
CRE:

Christ, people. Is this Wall Street Oasis or Brietbart Oasis?

It's definitely Breitbart Oasis. Have you seen some of the alt-right postings around here the last few years? Bunch of 19 yr-old College Republicans rushing over to WSO to spit back whatever Ben Shapiro taught them on their morning walk to class.

If you knew anything about Ben Shapiro, you'd know he has come out strongly against a conspiracy. He spent nearly his entire podcast Monday describing why it was almost certainly incompetence and not conspiracy.

Aug 15, 2019
CRE:

Piece of shit gets caught. Doesn't want to spend his life in prison. Kills himself.

This is pretty straightforward and very far from a conspiracy, much less one involving an ex President or current President.

Christ, people. Is this Wall Street Oasis or Brietbart Oasis?

Oh you're no fun.

Epstein was clearly a lizard man, who liked to party in Ibiza with Skrillex, Bigfoot and the Illuminati.

Long live the one world order!
I for one welcome our new lizard/Illuminati/Rothchild/alien/AI-robot overlords.
(I think I've got my bases covered)

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Aug 13, 2019

I think it could be either. Clearly, his life was going to continue downhill from here regardless of how much he cooperated with authorities so him killing himself is totally viable.

When you have as much money as the people that could have been implicated by Epstein, you get access to things and people that no ordinary person could dream of. Also that these people were already doing some very immoral things makes me think that assassination or some other foul play isn't out of the question, but I think that getting involved is just one more way that they could be caught so that makes it less likely.

Aug 15, 2019
Spike Spiegel:

I think it could be either. Clearly, his life was going to continue downhill from here regardless of how much he cooperated with authorities so him killing himself is totally viable.

When you have as much money as the people that could have been implicated by Epstein, you get access to things and people that no ordinary person could dream of. Also that these people were already doing some very immoral things makes me think that assassination or some other foul play isn't out of the question, but I think that getting involved is just one more way that they could be caught so that makes it less likely.

I feel we were all robbed of seeing justice though.

That POS deserved every bit of what happens to cho-mos in prison.

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Aug 16, 2019

Crossing my fingers that they'll be able to snuff out the rest of the mess and see what the hell these people were up to.

The story of the girl getting paid $300 a week at 14 to meet the guy in his house (and that someone else recruited her) is so manipulative that I don't even know what to think. If that story is true (which it probably is) that's probably the least sketchy shit he was up to.

Aug 14, 2019

With Jeffrey Epstein, the guards who were suppose to watch him lied and made up the logs that they were watching him. He wasn't realistically on suicide watch because the guards didn't care and just faked the accounts of them actually watching them. What he did was 100% wrong and he deserved to be served justice, not take the easy way out and move on after his death. Some people unfortunately would prefer to die than face life in jail.

Aug 15, 2019

well I think we can all agree on this...

The victims were robbed of justice.

Epstein was a first class piece of shit.

And the public was robbed of the chance to find out juicy details about the misbehavior of some very famous people.

On so many levels this is an overwhelming pile of injustice and frustration.

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Aug 15, 2019

To follow up with what I said earlier, and not want to edit my post, the Autopsy report is out. The Washington Post, of all places, is reporting that Epstein had trauma to the neck. While it appears to be from a hanging, there is a lot of focus on the fact that his Hyoid Bone was broken. Depending on your source of study (and I happen to like the Journal of Maxillofacial Oral Surgery for this reason), although the Hyoid Bone can be broken as a result of hanging, it is not a common occurrence. Breaks in the Hyoid are more commonly found in strangulation and trauma. It doesn't exclude hanging as a source of the break, but it should raise questions as to whether strangulation was a possibility. Additionally, there are other scholarly articles written about it (see one posted on Pubmed from the NIH and one posted on ScienceDirect from the Journal of Acute Medicine) which indicate that this is more commonly seen in cases of Homicide Strangulation over suicide. If anyone remembers Eric Garner's death, his Hyoid was broken through the use of an improper chokehold - which is something to keep in mind given the articles I've linked. Plus, when the head of the National Association of Medical Examiners says that this type of injury is more commonly associated with homicidal strangulation than it is suicidal hanging, that should raise a red flag.

Considering what's come out of the last few days about Epstein's death (guards who weren't following protocols from checking on him to falsifying records, the lack fo camera footage, his removal from suicide watch, leaving Epstein alone in a cell, the reports of inmates hearing screaming from his cell before his death, and various accounts from former guards and prisoners about Suicide Watch standard of care such as the use of paper-thin sheets, minimizing inmate risk to harm, and the requirement to have two prisoners in a cell to ensure something doesn't happen), this just adds another layer of shit on a stick and makes it looks more and more like he was murdered.

Aug 15, 2019

I'm open-minded to a conspiracy since conspiracy to commit murder is fairly common. I would say that my larger point is that the most reasonable explanation is gross incompetence. Let's be real--there were a million other times prior to this weekend that would have made murder of Epstein easier than when he was in federal prison (like any time in the last decade). And even if there was a conspiracy to commit murder, the Clintons are no more likely to be guilty as anyo of the other myriad people connected to Epstein.

Aug 15, 2019
real_Skankhunt42:

I'm open-minded to a conspiracy since conspiracy to commit murder is fairly common. I would say that my larger point is that the most reasonable explanation is gross incompetence. Let's be real--there were a million other times prior to this weekend that would have made murder of Epstein easier than when he was in federal prison (like any time in the last decade). And even if there was a conspiracy to commit murder, the Clintons are no more likely to be guilty as anyo of the other myriad people connected to Epstein.

Amen

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. (or incompetence in this case)

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Aug 15, 2019

I totally agree with you on conspiracy to commit murder. It's fairly common. I'm also not discounting gross incompetence from being the source of his death. Likewise, I'm not saying Clinton, Trump, the CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI6, Prince Andrew, Ehud Barak, The Durbins, Maxwell, or whomever else that Epstein had contact with or was involved in this did it. I think it looks like he was murdered. And that's about as conspiratorial as I get with this. The rest is just folks trying to argue their side is the correct conspiracy theory to believe.

Aug 15, 2019

Man come on, the amount of coincidences that have to happen for him to hang himself is insane.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

Aug 15, 2019

the position he was found in hasn't been discussed, but it does strike me as strange.
He was found kneeling, with the sheets tied around his neck, and to the railing of the upper bunk.
Most people who hang themselves utilize the fall to break their neck not to strangle themselves.
Strangulation from a kneeling position would be quite difficult, as there is the urge to stand / free oneself.
To me, the arrangement in which Epstein was found is particularly odd.

Aug 15, 2019

I don't understand how anyone can classify this as a conspiracy. If he actually was trafficking girls for some of the most powerful people in the world, then murder is the logical conclusion. So you'd have to believe that he wasn't as bad as what's been reported for years.

It is different, but I'd bet most people would consider the MBS Khashoggi situation a conspiracy if there wasn't video evidence. Nothing even happened to MBS. Everyone shrugged it off as, "that's the way the world is".

Regardless, check out Epstein's Wikipedia page. It's fascinating stuff.

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Aug 15, 2019

https://time.com/5610342/nxivm-keith-raniere-convi... https://time.com/5568135/nxivm-allison-mack-raniere/

Strangely everyone forgets about NXIVM. A child/sex trafficking ring which was charged and found guilty recently. It was funded by the Bronfmans which are in very close with the Rothschilds and the Clintons. As I said in a comment above, Edgar Bronfman was in close with Epstein. Clare Bronfman is Edgar's daughter. Clare was given a $100mm bail which is next to unprecedented.

"Bronfman is an heiress to the Seagram liquor company. She also served on NXIVM's executive board and allegedly created an access point for the company to dip into her family's fortune. In 2010, a lawsuit claimed that many millions of her family's money had been spent in connection with NXIVM.

In recent years, Bronfman financed and pursued lawsuits against NXIVM's enemies. In 2018 she was arrested and charged with racketeering, identity theft in order to access other people's computers, encouraging and inducing illegal entry, and money laundering. She was released on $100 million bond.

When asked in court in March about Michael Avenatti's involvement on her legal team, she had a fainting spell and had to be removed on a stretcher.

In April, Bronfman pleaded guilty to conspiring to conceal and harbor an undocumented immigrant for financial gain, and fraudulent use of identification. "I am truly remorseful," she said in court, according to the New York Times.

Bronfman, 40, will be sentenced in July. A legal representative did not respond to a request to comment."

Clare was let off easy in comparison to Raniere:

On Wednesday, a jury found Raniere guilty on seven charges, including two counts of sex trafficking, racketeering and forced labor conspiracy, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office, Eastern District of New York. The Associated Press reports that the jury took less than five hours to deliberate after a trial which lasted for about six weeks. Other charges include attempted sex trafficking, wire fraud conspiracy and racketeering conspiracy. Sentencing is to take place on Sept. 25.

"This trial has revealed that Raniere, who portrayed himself as a savant and a genius, was in fact a massive manipulator, a con man and the crime boss of a cult-like organization involved in sex trafficking, child pornography, extortion, compelled abortions, branding, degradation and humiliation," Richard Donoghue, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, told reporters outside of the Brooklyn federal court house. "Keith Raniere's crime spree has ended and his victims will finally see justice."

This is the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty that is yet to come.

https://www.belr.com/
https://www.worldcat.org/title/bronfman-dynasty-th...

Aug 15, 2019

Well, we're separating out his crimes and history of being a pedophile with the circumstances surrounding his death. On a criminal level, he's a fucking scumbag. No one here is arguing that. What we're suggesting is a conspiracy are the circumstances surrounding his death. Nothing about it reeks of "natural causes". If you can prove how such a high profile criminal who should have been watched like a hawk 24/7 committed suicide in MCC and use hard facts and evidence to do so that shows everything done was done without any assistance and can't be refuted, then please do so. Otherwise, his death falls under the category of conspiracy.

Aug 15, 2019

I think you're misunderstanding me. We're on the same side.

Aug 15, 2019

As highlighted by MBS Khashoggi and other issues... man, these governments sure are willing to lie to us, aren't they?

Saudi Arabia killed a journalist in their own consulate then had the balls to go around telling the public that they had no idea where he went.

They flew in a cleaning crew, with equipment, shut down the consulate for the day, and then dismembered the body.

"no idea where he went."

Come on guys, at least lie to us in a convincing manner.

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