Kavanaugh SCOTUS, The End
50-48, Manchin and Collins voted yes to put an end to this farce.
I have to say, this ended way better than expected for conservatives. The party is united like never in the past 3 years. ''Never Trumpers'' have disappeared. Trump for once was mostly on the sidelines and that was the right thing to do. Senators handled it well and many establishment Reps are finally seeing with their own eyes the extremism and dishonesty of liberal activists. The attempt to tear apart presumption of innocence, a staple of our society, shows how deranged these people are. The conservative base is energized again in the fight against SJWs and this is crucial for the Midterms. Liberals now are unhappy with the FBI because they didn't find anything (in a week). Great weekend.
I just don't like the guy because of what an unrelatable loser he is socially. He's totally out of touch.
FUCK THE LIBTARDS
Yeah I lean left (was right leaning until tea party took over the GoP) and thought he should be confirmed based on available information. However, his attitude at the hearing was downright just awful. He legitimately came across as an alcoholic frat boy who thought he would be untouchable.
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He went to a top school, slayed a bunch of hos, was an athlete, partied a ton, STILL killed it academically, has a long / successful marriage, ended up on the appeals court and then SCOTUS.
Yea sounds like a loser to me bud.
You are retarded.
He slayed a bunch of hos? You're a fucking unaccomplished business school loser. You warship at the alter of academia. Slayed hos? Who talks like that? He is absolutely unrelatable. You just aspire to be.
We have to see what happens with midterms, that will let me know a little more into the current US political atmosphere.
Yet another promise upheld by the President. Positive trade agreements and Trump is rolling out this to other countries as well. Incremental improvement in trade benefits this country.
Dems will take the House. Republicans will strengthen the Senate. And we get to watch hysterics from the left for two years.
If liberals think how they are acting will help them win Ohio, Wisconsin, And Michigan, they are nuts. We need more old school dems and less of these socialist idiots being elected nowadays.
It doesn't matter if the democrats win the house and senate. They won't actually impeach. Impeachment will only hurt their enthusiam for 2020. The funny part about this is regardless of what happens in the midterms they will get punished in 2020 because if things start to go downhill Trump can blame the democrats and if things keep going well Trump will claim credit despite the democrats and blame them for things being worse than they could have been.
I don't know if they won't. If the ABA Judicial Qualification review comes back and Kavanaugh is downgraded to Not Qualified, a Dem controlled house and senate may be able to impeach him on the grounds of fitness for the position under the doctrine of "Good Behavior". Yeah, it sounds fucking stupid, but the expectation is that judges and justices uphold good behavior. If the ABA conducts their downgrade (and the subsequent investigation that proves it was warranted for fitness of character), that might create standing for an impeachment.
Personally, I stopped carrying about what happened because both sides made a fucking mockery of the courts. It's a giant shitshow no matter what. If the Dems push to impeach Kavanaugh if the ABA investigation comes up in their favor, then it hurts their momentum in 2020 for every location outside of liberal strongholds and damages their pull with moderate liberals. If they don't impeach him, you're right that they will get punished by Trump for the shit they pulled.
This was a national embarrassment. There were no winners here.
It is a national embarrassment perpetuated by the Democrats. Republicans and moderates clearly won by not allowing leftist bullshit to stop what should have been a simple process.
Stephen Colbert writer.
The funny part about this is no one cares about this loser.
Because her employer agrees with her.
I know this thread is a circle joke for the far right wing and irony is lost on the road to hell, but she’s clearly being facetious because Lindsey graham and others have continually said how those who oppose kavanaugh (roughly ~70% of Americans) are “ruining his life” by not giving him a job he wants. She’s making fun of how fucking stupid that statement was. She’s not espousing an opinion.
I swear WSO has become nothing but stupid people and 18 year olds.
Comical. He isn't opposed by that number. The false claims and violence brought on by the left caused pain and misery to a innocent man's family. Fact you don't see this is sad.
Far right lol you mean the middle.
If you think what's been said in this thread is "far right," you need a reorientation
This is a tough time for the country. Kavanaugh sounded great on paper, and then Blasey Ford popped up and she seemed to be sure that the guy did this, which makes him look very unfit. The fact that he's on the highest Court and the apex of his field, I don't think his life is ruined.
And regardless of what he did in high school, it seems that the only accusations have come out from people in his high school, so in some ways he seems to pass the gut check. In other ways, it still feels like he doesn't deserve to sit on the seat. The bitterness through the process makes it even more hard to swallow because of his allusion to extreme partisanship, which I hope doesn't in fact ruin his ability to appropriately do the job.
Then there still is potential for a democratic sponsored special investigation or FBI probe. So, maybe this isn't even the end for Kavie. That's not a win because it might leave the Court in the middle of partisanship and increase uncertainty for some time.
Congratulations Trump supporters. SCOTUS was always your payoff for your deal with the devil, and you got it in spades.
I mean sure, you had to support a treasonous, lying, tax evading, braindead POTUS who can't string a complete sentence together. And yeah, you had to redefine everything conservatism stood for because of your anointed King (who was a Democrat until 3 years ago and couldn't give a shit for policy or principles). And yeah, maybe you alienated for a generation many women voters, minorities, and any thinking person who hasn't been brainwashed by a College Republicans meeting. But you get to trigger the libs! Well done, solid movement you've all built. Reagan would be proud.
If there's one thing I got wrong about the current political climate, I underestimated just how powerful, motivating, and satisfying a movement could be whose main unifying force is making certain people suffer.
Unhinged leftist.
You insult Trump yet he sure seems to be getting shit done. And it was Dems that made confirming justices a simple majority.
Keep being hysterical though. Winning over the middle acting like a deranged child.
If there's something that this story has proven, is that it's not ''Trump'' the problem. He's kind of irrelevant. Kavanaugh could have been the pick of any other standard Republican President. So when you all whine about wanting the old Republicans, you are lying. The same shit you use against Trump is the same shit you used against Kavanaugh and it'll be the same for every heterosexual white male as your media are fond to hate against. That is your agenda. Nothing else. You hate Trump because he's shitting all over it and deservedly so, because it's an agenda of genocide.
Yes, I mean who could forget the outrage about alleged sexual abuse during the Gorsuch confirmation hearings? Oh wait.
Sorry, this is the Democrats you're talking about? Not the "brown people took er jerbs!" Trump Republicans? Not the right-wing Exeter grad who comes on here every other week to vent because a public school lower middle-class kid like me kicked their ass in the interview process and took the IB spot that Daddy promised them they deserved their whole life? Trump and his ilk have perfected the victimhood mentality while holding power in all three branches of confirmation. I think you must have the parties confused.
10+ monkey shit! I must have hit a nerve. I continue to wonder - why are Trump fans constantly enraged? They've allegedly been winning non-stop for 2+ years, and control all three branches of government. And yet they remain furious with brain dead droning of LOCK HER UP at every needle exchange, I mean Trump rally. Every political post on here is started by one of the Trump cult members venting that the other half of the country hasn't drank the kool-aid. The entirety of right wing TV and radio media is built around non-stop outrage.
Why is that? I think deep down you all know how much of your principles and morals you've sacrificed to defend and legitimize all the daily bullshit that Trump spews. I think you hate that everywhere you look, the smartest people in the room despise Trump and what he stands for. And for the college kids reading this, yes that includes the large majority of the business community - Trump is regularly mocked by CEOs and bankers on both coasts and everywhere in between. You want us to bow down to Trump and MAGA, and every day we lose more respect for what you've become. Most importantly, you know that the political power today's extreme GOP holds is fleeting, and that the history books will not be kind to the trash movement you've built.
It's pretty funny that you accuse Trump supporters of being enraged yet you respond to every comment on every thread that is pro-Trump and every comment comes across more unhinged than the last
Maybe take a deep breath and a week off from WSO and you won't come across like such a triggered SJW wearing a pink pussy hat.
Nothing that the democrats did or could have done would have changed the outcome of the vote. Nothing the republicans did (aside from voting) or could have done would have changed the outcome of the vote. All of these politicians (repubs and dems) cast votes based on their own personal self interests. Kavanaugh could have raped Ford, or anyone else, in public in Time Square in 2018 and it would not have changed one vote (literary exaggeration).
Please. If it was proved he raped anyone or assaulted this woman he would have been denounced.
Plain fact is her accusations were not supported by anyone. The FBI talked to the people they needed to and much like the prior 6 investigations, found nothing.
Your statement is wrong and you should get a better grasp of the facts. Feinstein sat on this report for weeks to launch a clearly political attack. That is what the dems did. Used a woman and the topic of sexual assault for political gain. And it backfired.
I am not sure what you are talking about. I did not state any facts. You should look up the definition of an opinion.
Umm... are you sure of that? Donald Trump was caught on tape bragging about assaulting women, and it brought no significant condemnation, just a long line of conservatives excusing his actions. Roy Moore was accused of, and more or less admitted to, statutory rape and was subsequently backed by the vast majority of the GOP party establishment, including President Trump. The last few years are absolutely rife with examples of Republican men being accused of or caught mistreating women and having the party close ranks rather than expel him. So take your certainty elsewhere; the balance of evidence suggests that if Mr. Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted a woman on the Senate floor, most Republicans would still have voted to confirm him.
You mean the FBI which was instructed that speed was more important than accuracy in investigating all this? I'm sure the full week they were allowed to spend allowed for an exhaustive investigation, especially considering it was clear that they weren't supposed to find anything at all.
Wait, why does this even matter? This is the most batshit argument I've ever heard; what are they supposed to do, not bring the subject up? As if the fact that we might be putting a sexual abuser on the highest Court in the land isn't a matter of public interest? There is no scenario in which you wouldn't be alleging that this was a "political attack," because by its very definition it has to be. It's a political post being contested; any issue anyone brings up is therefore political in nature.
And yes, its possible Feinstein waited until a time she thought the allegation would be most impactful. That's politics... kind of like when the GOP refused to even consider Merrick Garland. Oh wait, no, it isn't like that at all, that was a party refusing to do their job in even it's most basic capacity. This was a person doing the opposite - also known as, doing her job.
The Democrats will have the last laugh when Congress and the Presidency are fully taken by 2020. Then we can get this country back on track by throwing Trump and associated traitors in jail then impeaching and removing Kav for perjury. Then hopefully we can snuff out the rest of the enemies of humanity. I fully believe this is the only way to save this country and our democracy. The Republican Party is the party of white supremacy and a parasite on earth. Thanks everyone this will be my last political post until 2020. Inshallah.
You do realize that you can't just start proceedings for the hell of it or arrest folks on sedition or treason just because, right? Regardless of whether or not I like the president, pushing for the arrest of either Trump or his associates for sedition or treason requires a significant amount of proof. This is the type of crime that requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
For example, with Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, and Daniel Ellsberg, they were all convicted under the Espionage Act for direct and overt sedition or treason against the US Government. There was a significant amount of proof (vis-a-vis a major paper trail) that linked them to their crimes. That's an indictable criminal offense. On the other side of things, It could be argued that Maxine Waters, for example, has used seditious language against President Trump urging her followers to "create a crowd and push them back." If the protests don't turn violent, that's fine, but the moment there is an imminent threat of danger, it becomes sedition. If you read the text messages of Strock, Page, etc., the language used such as "we will get him", can be viewed as seditious and treasonous. Given that it is a text message, there is some proof of intent to subvert the US political system and form insurrection against a sitting president. Whether or not it's enough to prove criminality, that's a different story. But there is proof.
With Trump, what proof do you actually have? Everything will be contested, especially when it comes down to procedure and bias. If bias was shown, that might negate every aspect of the investigation. And here's the thing - if the Mueller report can show something indictable, it will have to show something substantial given the degree of allegations if treason and election tampering are involved. In order for the Dems to throw Trump et al in jail, they need an ironclad case to do so.
Kavanaugh is a different issue - Vox (the wonderful left-leaning publication it is) had a great take on the whole perjury issue. They had 4 legal scholars (1 from Harvard, 1 from Brooklyn Law School, 1 from Loyola and 1 from Stetson), who all agreed that even if there was a case for perjury, it would require the strictest standards (ie the same level of burden of proof as a criminal case - beyond a reasonable doubt). If the Dems pursue this and it blows up in their face, what happens? They lose the support of the moderates that they need to help retain control in 2022, 2024 and 2026. This has wide-reaching implications, as the last time a Justice of the Supreme Court was impeached was in 1804 - and might open the door to both sides using impeachment as a tool to reshape the court whenever they have power instead of letting the courts work as intended.
You're in for a very rude awakening when the Carter Page FISA is released along with the texts of the top FBI brass. It will prove the worst (HRC and Obama paid the DNC's law firm, perkins coie, to pay Fusion GPS, to pay MI6 agent -> Christopher Steele to create the fake Trump dossier. Strzok and Page then came up with a "leaking strategy" to the media - the media reported on it (fake news) - and the FBI turned around and used it as grounds to obtain a FISA warrant focused on the Trump campaign (knowingly lying to the court). This was the impetus to spy on an innocent American citizen and Republican presidential nominee. There is a lot more to it, but once the story unfolds - the Dem party is going to become an absolute shell of itself. There is a reason for all of the current hysteria from the left - They're paying protesters to be violent, waging character attacks on innocent men, and have absolutely no platform aside from intersectionality (identity politics) and hating Trump... 2018 is a glorious year for Trump and anyone who isn't delusional.
Why? What did he accomplish?
From an Australian prospective I just don't understand America. All sensible political discourse has been thrown out the window, and it's turned into a "you're worse than me so that makes my opinions the best" shit-slinging contest. For a country that once prided itself on being a progressive political and economic global powerhouse it's disappointing to see how things have fallen to a complete mess of name-calling and identity politics.
In some ways American politics are seen as a sort of sick joke over here (not the country, just the politics, to be clear). Every week it seems there's some sort of new big, ridiculous drama that's gripping the news. This in turn is quite frustrating and sort of scary, because like it or not America is still the country that shapes the world. I'm not a local so I can't offer any ways to fix things, but it's so disappointing to see such an amazing country broken by such a horrible divide. Just my opinion, but perhaps the roots of this problem comes from the firmly entrenched Republican vs Democrat institution being high-jacked by far-right and far-left ideologies. In Australia we have many political parties to suit all sorts of ideologies, can America not have more than just the two?
More parties will lead to more factions. Reality is the Republicans have moved to the center and Democrats have moved to the left.
Republicans no longer oppose gay marriage, no longer are anti labor, and seem to right now finally have realized the Chinese are not our friends. They want to enforce lawful immigration rules. Kavanaugh has said he respects prior SCOTUS rulings and overturning Roe vs Wade is a scare tactic on the left.
Democrats are the ones both advocating violence and acting on it.
And anyone who reads US history will see that this bullshit goes on continually.
As for Australia, don’t you ship your migrants to another island? And you guys should worry plenty about China.
All the polling shows Dems having little ideological support among moderates. This is a clear sign the shit they are pushing is counter to what moderates, the true test of a parties “radical ness” , want.
Hey come on man, I never said Australia's government (we've had 5 Prime Ministers in the past 5 years) was perfect and I never called into question any of the political decisions of the American government - as an Australian I still have immense respect for the role it plays in maintaining world peace. As an outsider I genuinely want to have a conversation about the American political environment rather than continue to hear about how one party is more evil than the other, it gets really boring after a while.
Also to be clear, I sit completely on the fence with regards to how I would politically align myself if I lived in America - hence why I suggest more than two party's. I would disagree with It works really well here in Australia, because it encourages more political discussion on different policy and often gives many a political voice. Take for example the fact that we have four major party's here in Australia; Labor (traditionally the working-class voters), Liberal (traditionally metropolitan conservative voters), Nationals (traditionally conservative/rural voters), the Greens (traditionally extremely socially and economically left voters) and countless independent and minority parties (like One Nation, Katter's Australian Party, United Australia Party etc). This allows for a real dichotomy of political opinions and for serious debate to occur in Government over national politics, rather than having a "right" and a "left" bloc that people have to vote with, they can choose a party that they feel more represents them.
Your reply here however is sort of what I was getting at also in my original comment, in that rather than having normal political discourse you've just gone straight to "Democrats are the ones both advocating violence and acting on it." comment. From an outside perspective it looks like Americans have a situation of voting for the lesser of two evils, and as a moderate I wouldn't ideologically support either side.
Why do you think the extreme left (or extreme right) has hijacked the Democrats (Republicans)? How do you think the Democrats could bring themselves back towards centre (this is where I think a more party's idea is good)? Why do you think that America has seen such a great political divide in recent years? Is it the rise of social media and more people having their voice heard, because as you said it has gone on for years but maybe it wasn't as vocal as it is now.
I think the media and social media play a big part in it looking like America is in shambles. A lot of people are able to have their voice heard around the world, instantly, these days, and it makes it seem like there's a lot more turmoil than their actually is.
In reality, things are going really really well over here, almost too well. We've got just about the lowest unemployment ever, are in one of our longest expansions ever etc. Things are going really well.
There was a great article in foreign affairs about this. Democrats decided to move away from labor and blue collar democrats and more towards minority groups and other “disadvantaged members”. That’s fine, but it isn’t in line with the center.
Republicans were turds for years. Big business and religious nuts.
Now the gay marriage issue is dead. Abortion is given lip service for the religious and Trump is probably the first Republican to be so pro labor. That is why blue states went red.
That’s a pretty center policy. Democrats have been pulled further left and no support open borders, people choosing gender, calling anyone who voted for Trump a deplorable (aka union workers who were the backbone of the dems) and have demonized Russia as a tactic to attack trump because they are upset Hillary lost.
Meanwhile China is stealing billions of IP, hacking us left and right, building ilegal islands and oh, by the way, is actually a communist nation.
These policy issues are not in line with the middle of this country. And as ogrish as Trump might be, people would rather vote for someone pro America who wants more US jobs and who wants to enforce existing border laws vs a party who platform is calling everyone a racist, a rapist or deplorable.
I am fine with multiple parties, but it doesn’t solve anything and ultimately is anti compromise. Two parties cause people to generally comprise. Without it you’d have super liberal socialists , pro labor dems, religious freaks, environment nuts and everyone trying to form a coalition government aka compromise to a super party like we already have.
Australia is going to be China's bitch
That's a really great way to frame a long-standing ally of America... Australia does a lot for America in helping to maintain peace in APAC.
Run, run away from this thread, and never come back...
Australia will not be viewed very nicely is the near future. Via 5-eyes - Aus/UK assisted rogue elements of the US gov in the unlawful spying of the Trump campaign. The Reason why there was a major fuss in regards to releasing the Carter Page FISA warrant is partly because the UK and AUS are busy begging Trump to not release it.
In reading about Kavanugh's trial I stumbled upon the hypocrisy that surrounds the Avital Ronnell allegations - encourage you all to read about it
Pls summarize, thx
Female language professor from NYU (Ronnell) accused of sexual assault by a male student, dozens (or hundreds) of other liberal arts professors from around America and some international universities write and sign a letter calling for the accusations against her to be thrown out bc of her outstanding contributions to the feminist community, call it an outrage that a feminist can be accused of sexual assault etc. etc.
So what the hell has happened here these past years? Let's go back to Reagan to today.
O'Connor - 99-0 Rehnquist - 65-33 Scalia - 98-0 Bork - not confirmed 42-58 Kennedy - 97-0
Next is HW Bush Souter - 90-9 Thomas - 52-48 (obv)
Clinton RBG - 96-3 Breyer - 87-9
W Bush Roberts - 78-22 Miers - W Alito - 58-42
Obama Sotomayor - 68-31 Kagan - 63-37 Garland - obv
Trump Gorsuch - 54-45 Kav - 50-48
Going back further obviously some were not confirmed but the bulk of the judges confirmed got around 2/3 or so of the votes.
The primary reason Gorsuch and Kavanaugh did not get bipartisan support was the senate's treatment of the Garland nomination. I would expect that going forward the majority in the senate will never give a hearing to a nominee from the other party. That is where we are today.
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