Below is a pdf link (hope it works for all) containing CVs/Resumes for students at LBS giving a good benchmark of what you'll need to get in. Thoughts?
Edit: For clarity, the above link is generally for MaFin, the one below MBA.
MOD EDIT: Link Removed per Request of Student
Edit 2.0 (bschoolstudent): Sorry for any unintended grievances, I understand the sensitivity in this period and hope this hasn't has any negative impact upon your recruiting. I do however reiterate that this is public information; however, I also can align with your position and see how having unqualified individuals slate one's achievements can be damaging.
A lot of them have incredible GMAT scores but their work experience is not that impressive. There are a few phenomenal resumes in there though, to be sure. Not sure why MBA candidates love to use that resume format though... M&I format is far more aesthetically pleasing.
Someone's probably going to throw shit at me for saying this, but those people are not that amazing. I skimmed the first 20 and some of them have good experience, but nothing to get worked up over. There's a Wharton MBA file floating around online from a while back (2004-2005 maybe), and the people likewise are not unbelievable demi-gods of the corporate world. One dude won a gold medal at the Olympics (which is amazing), but mostly they are just people who slogged it out and checked the boxes.
Yeah, not as if my experience is awesome at all, but I wasn't hugely impressed by that resume file. I've seen Tuck ones, Wharton ones, Princeton Mfin, etc and all were more impressive when it comes to the business world.
^^^ Glad I wasn't the only one who thought so Ravenous / ANT... Seeing this as the benchmark for such a distinguished program is actually encouraging to me. I will admit I was intrigued by the diversity of experience and the geographic scope of some of the candidates... working on 3 different continents definitely gives a candidate a unique perspective, but most of the resumes were for people who worked in support functions, which surprised me.
I think there might be some disconnect with the fact that the resume book includes MiM students as well as MBA students, which means you will have less glamorous experience and there are a lot of foreign students which might have experience that isn't as well branded as in the states.
MBA's in Europe are kind of a secondary degree. Not as popular as here in the states.
Interesting point - didn't see that some were doing non-MBA. I'll bet that affects it.
I wonder what the deal with these resume books are - they must be voluntary or something and not include an accurate subsection of students, because I've never seen a resume book that impressed me on the whole (of course I've never seen a HSW though) and have always been surprised about how mediocre a lot of the experience looks on paper. Now of course I'm just scanning for brand names, which isn't a particularly scientific way of going about judging the books, but I always thought there would be way more people from, if not BBs and Megafunds, at least well-known MNCs like P&G, Exxon, Pepsi, Google, or other places like that.
Never seen a HBS CV book. Anyone got an electronic copy of one?
Interesting that among the two books there is only one guy from Harvard and one from Yale. Seems like there are a ton from India.
And just for good measure, there is one Oxford undergrad and four Cambridge undergrad.
Not that surprising. LBS is a great school, but the quality of students is nowhere near the caliber of M7. I would say it's more on par with haas and stern, or even slightly lower.
I saw a wharton cv book a while back. It was for the classes of 2008 and 2009, i believe. The finance people were insanely impressive: virtually all top bulge bracket banks, and buyside firms.
This gives me hope.
I've seen a HBS and Wharton set (please don't PM me asking for them). Both tend to have people with incredibly impressive profiles holistically (personal + professional). I once also saw the HBS PE Resume Book (those in the PE club at HBS) and some people were quite spectacular (MIT 4.0 GPA + GS + KKR types). Obviously there are relative-duds in any class, but most everyone is fairly accomplished.
Nice add..haha
Yeah, I've seen resumes from HBS venture capita/PE club, investment club, and healthcare club. Very impressive. Probably the most accomplished group of twenty-somethings in the entire country.
ANyon have any MBA top 15 resume books?...
I remember I hearing some guy worked at UPS and got in HBS.
It's a bit unfair to compare the early-career book with US MBAs. These are mostly kids just a year out of undergrad doing an MiM to upgrade their credentials / study business. I thought they were pretty good (you're not going to see many LSE & Oxbridge kids apply to the MiM anyway, because they get into graduate schemes / analyst roles directly).
The mid-career book includes MBA and Masters in Finance folks. I was surprised by the relative scarcity of BB names (sign of the times?), although I have only scanned the books. There were a couple of good, if unconventional, resumes though among the many average ones (in terms of B-School people).
Some of Wharton's MBAs have posted their resume's online at the Zell Centre (real estate focused). What do you guys think? http://realestate.wharton.upenn.edu/resumebook/
[quote=Relinquis]It's a bit unfair to compare the early-career book with US MBAs. These are mostly kids just a year out of undergrad doing an MiM to upgrade their credentials / study business. I thought they were pretty good (you're not going to see many LSE & Oxbridge kids apply to the MiM anyway, because they get into graduate schemes / analyst roles directly).
The mid-career book includes MBA and Masters in Finance folks. I was surprised by the relative scarcity of BB names (sign of the times?), although I have only scanned the books. There were a couple of good, if unconventional, resumes though among the many average ones (in terms of B-School people).
Some of Wharton's MBAs have posted their resume's online at the Zell Centre (real estate focused). What do you guys think? http://realestate.wharton.upenn.edu/resumebook/[/quote]
Yeah I now realize that the Early Career book is all Masters in Management, so that's not really the right comparison. The Mid Career book definitely has more well-known names and impressive resumes. Still surprised how many people have back-office type experience across a range of industries, though.
I was underwhelmed with both books.
I would still like to see what the Mid-career book looks like. Anyone have a link?
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I just looked at both books and they are awful. My first impression was that the books were not polished and hastily produced. First of all, the pictures on the front page are blurry - I am surprised that the school let this be published. It isn't hard to find stock photos with higher resolutions. Second of all, the resumes are all of different formats and some are very unprofessional (spelling mistakes and one guy even has a photo of himself). What LBS did would simply not fly at a top American school. I have seen books from a bunch of top 15 places and the formatting is all uniformly aligned. What the LBS just pushed through is terrible and unprofessional in terms of production value.
I didn't read too many profiles of these students but as someone else mentioned, a LOT of Indian students who came directly from India. A lot come from support / back-office functions.
Yeah, I noticed the Mid Career book looked like shit. Really no excuse for that at LBS.
Every single top 15 American MBA program's resume book is uniformly aligned with a standard formatting template. There are no spelling mistakes. Everything from the cover to the content is typically impeccable.
They asian girl from Ithaca was not only in a different format, but typeset was different. Really stood out. And what is up with that dutch guy's photo.
Personally, I wouldn't want to be in a resume book. Everyone is so uniformed that by the 5th resume you are just a blur in someones eye. I was shocked since I always considered LBS to be a tier one international MBA. Kind of a rookie mistake.
I like the school also. Great brand, good quality and located in a great city.
If you look closely, you'll notice that the resumes that are formatted differently are from students that attended LBS on an international exchange. There are a bunch of Kellogg kids there who are using the Kellogg template rather than the LBS one. Similarly, the one with the photo is a student at IESE, a school in Spain. In Spain, I believe it is customary to include a photo of yourself, along with other personal details such as age, on your CV. As a result, these students are following protocol commensurate with their respective countries/universities.
I agree with above, but as the saying goes, when in Rome do as the Romans do (minus the whole abandon ship stuff).
If you are going to put out a LBS resume book you should either put the fucked up resumes at the end with a dividing page or just format all of them the same.
Slightly off topic, but what do you guys think of the Wharton resumes I posted a link to? How do they compare to your expectations and to the LBS book?
Note: The real estate programme at Wharton is one of the better ones and the industry has been extremely tough in the past few years, so there is probably some selection bias here.
Guys with army time on their CVs always look so badass (e.g. Sean Gromly).
"I worked at the Goldman Sachs, what more do you need to know?" - http://realestate.wharton.upenn.edu/resumebook/index.php?resumeID=1453
Some of the lesser known names are buy-side firms that people outside of RE wouldn't recognise (e.g. the guy who worked for Saffra probably has a better rolodex then some kid who was an excel jockey at UBS/JPM, never mind that his employer has actually put their money at risk based on his analysis).
Still, there are some average resumes even at Wharton. I suppose we get too caught up in the exceptional candidates and brand names/network on this site.
I did a quick look through my personal linkedIn contacts and there are a couple of Wharton alums who are average and a couple who I think very highly of. I've been impressed by nearly all Wharton Undergrads that I've met in RE, but that sample is biased towards top firms anyway (Angelo Gordon, Blackstone, etc...)
Of my LBS ex-colleagues, one was thought of as pretty average in terms of investing knowledge/experience/intelligence (to her defence, came from a strategy background), but she did get promoted to C-level at another company before turning 35, was very political (in both a good and bad way). The other LBS grad was smart, but didn't have the American style network/polish (he was an LBS MiF and Cambridge grad as well).
All of the INSEAD folks I've worked with have all been very international in outlook, which always seems to leave a good impression on me.
Disclaimer: most of the people I've referred to have significant post MBA experience.
Anyone care to share their anecdotal experience of LBS grads seeing as we're generalising anyway?
Wharton MBA resume book for class of 2012 and 2013,
some are impressive and others are mediocre
http://realestate.wharton.upenn.edu/resumebook/index.php
[quote=TheKid1]Wharton MBA resume book for class of 2012 and 2013,
some are impressive and others are mediocre
http://realestate.wharton.upenn.edu/resumebook/index.php[/quote]
Wow. I thought all Wharton guys would have sick pre-MBA work experiences. I saw lots of no-name companies and some also came from Big4 audit work experience pre-Wharton.
At Wharton resume book, I even saw some people who had work experience as "registered personal banker" or worked as managers in retail business.
Maybe it goes on to demonstrate that your life is not over even if you don't become an IB analyst straight out of college.
Not impressed. A bunch of computer programmers and marketing wimps.
Simple fact is that over this side of the pond there really isn't the MBA culture like there is in the states. Generally everything is a lot less prescriptive - i.e. no 2yrs and out etc.
That's why most of the LBS students are back office type - you don't need to go down that route if you're already have a decent gig. Certainly don't know any of the guys at my bank (top tier) who have left to go to business school.
Yeah, this is not impressive at all. No offense.
weak shit
These are some impressive resumes! Why can't we get that kind of talent to work at our firm? -UBS MD
You lost bro?
A couple of clarifications:
That CV book is for industry only, there are CV books for AM, IB, PE. Therefore is only natural that only a few of those guys are your typical banking applicant (most of them don't care about banking at all).
The CV template is school defined.
In terms of MBA program, and after conferencing with friends who went to Harvard,Stern or Columbia, I can tell you that the quality is more or less the same accross all these programs. Some professors are great others are not that great, and the same goes for the students.
Huge, massive disclaimer: I went to LBS
Not impressed at all.
"That CV book is for industry only, there are CV books for AM, IB, PE. Therefore is only natural that only a few of those guys are your typical banking applicant (most of them don't care about banking at all).
The CV template is school defined."
correct!! guys comparing a general Harvard mba cv book with this one is apples to organges, but hater gotta hate
Actually sir, there's more than one.
Poor job by LBS. I totally agree with the people who said that they should unify the format before publishing. If they are exchange students tell them to write another one. It's not that hard.
The two guys with pictures are Spanish (not Dutch, WTF ANT??). I can confirm what Compbanker said, in Spain it is customary to put a photo in your CV.
The first book has students in a MiM, so by definition they are career changers. People with Science or Engineering degrees who wanted to get FO business roles but only managed to get BO or tech related jobs, that's why they are there. Except the guy with Bain, Morgan Stanley DCM, JPM IBD and KPMG Corp Fin (impressive resumé), who I honestly don't know what the fuck is doing there.
The second book has MFin, not only MBAs.
I can tell for a fact that not all the students are there. While I was doing my SA program 2 people from LBS were doing the Summer Associate ones, and only one of them is there. He has a decent CV, but the other one was better. And like someone said this is Industry targeted, not to finance, so there's not much info you can take. I think it's pretty much the same in every good MBA program. Of course Harvard PE club must be impressive, but that's not the whole story. Also bear in mind that MBAs are not required for corporate advancement in Europe, so people with good jobs generally don't go to business schools. It's more of a career changer/booster. You can't compare.
There are better MBAs in Europe, I would bet that IESE or INSEAD CVs are way more impressive.
My bad, there was a Dutch guy with a bad resume on there.
LBS is a solid enough program that this shit shouldn't happen, that is all I am saying. MiM or MFin or MBA, if you are going to put the LBS brand on something you should at least format shit the same. I mean a lot of criticism was stemming from formatting, not content.
In Europe, you usually don't need an MBA. Especially not, if you already have a great job out of undergrad or after your Master degree. So most of the people doing the MBA are career switchers. That is why you don't see many BB applicants in the book. It is more like a second chance for smart people (hence the very high GMAT scores) who didn't quite get their dream job with their first try.
The other typical applicant is a consultant who gets his MBA paid for.
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