Macro Folks: Why didn't COVID cause a 94/02/08 Style Crisis?
Hoping the macro folks can weigh in here.
I understand COVID wasn't a crisis caused by economic factors, but why didn't we see the financial impacts like 2008?
Hoping the macro folks can weigh in here.
I understand COVID wasn't a crisis caused by economic factors, but why didn't we see the financial impacts like 2008?
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this fed guy looks coked out of his mind
If I were overseeing this shit show, I would be too.
Mfer got trippy eyes
lmfao
For a few weeks in the beginning of March, it was actually worse than 07-08 in some respects. UST intermediation never broke down during the GFC, but it did in March 2020. That's why the Fed just made the SRF and FIMA repo facility permanent and why they're considering mandating UST central clearing. The moves in USTs during that time period were insane, I don't think there's any historical precedent for what happened during that time period. One of the deepest, most liquid markets in the world basically completely broke for a few days.
In terms of why there weren't any bank/dealer failures - you can thank post-crisis legislation. LCR liquidity requirements require fat cushions of liquidity for large banks in the form of reserves, USTs, and MBS - but reserves are highly preferred due to Dodd-Frank's resolution planning rules (re: intraday liquidity) and behavioral changes post-crisis like the drop in use of daylight overdraft/intraday credit at the Fed. SLR captures ALL activity, on- and off-balance sheet, so you don't have Lehman's and Bear's leveraged 50-70x or more this time around. There's obviously some discretion in terms of calculation of position size for OTC notionals, but it's far more restrictive than Basel I/II. So basically the large banks and dealers really do have fortress balance sheets.
Unfortunately, those fortress balance sheets come at the cost of providing potentially risky, but very necessary financial intermediation functions - like making markets in USTs during period of extreme volatility.
We almost had some pretty big blowups during that period (outside of market participants impacted by Dodd-Frank and Basel III) but the White House meeting at the 11th hour saved Citadel's ass as well as probably quite a few others. Citadel had some "basis trade issues" and by "basis trade issues" I mean they were probably worth less than $0 for a few hours. Probably some type of LTCM-esque deal to help them unload that position without breaking the UST market anymore than it already was.
TBH I don't think the Fed played that big of a role except clearing balance sheet space off the primary dealers (who were limited by SLR and their own risk management) by removing duration from the market. Obviously, the alphabet soup facilities helped to backstop the MMFs and some of the potentially unstable IG/HY bond ETFs, but that wasn't a huge factor IMO (outside of the impacting the psychology of equity/credit PMs who were just looking for an excuse to buy the dip anyways). If you remember March 15th was the day the Fed announced their bazooka on Sunday afternoon/evening. When the S&P futures market opened it was just lock limit down and Monday tanked as well. Nothing they said or did fixed anything, it was almost beautiful/glorious in a fucked up kind of way.
IMO it was Mnuchin stepping up on March 23 and issuing $1.7T of T-bills, which plugged the collateral hole (people were selling long bonds and buying bills and OTR notes/bonds b/c bonds were being repudiated as repo collateral due to the historic volatility of long bonds) and stopped the worst of the liquidations.
If you're talking equities, I don't even wanna go there ... The S&P was basically still fine in May - August of 2008 when the whole world was falling apart in all the places that mattered since August 2007. It didn't start crashing until Lehman.
yeah, that was a shocking week for govies. Completely understand things from the debt/collateral side in the system.
But people were out of jobs, restaurants closed down, etc. Why wasn't there chaos like job losses in 08?
Like did unemployment assistance basically plugged that hole?
That was definitely a big part of it. We had a lot of other extreme fiscal policies that we didn't have back in 08, not just unemployment assistance (eviction moratorium, stimmy checks, paycheck protection program, etc.) that were able to plug a lot of holes so that people weren't getting evicted/losing their house. We were also able to save a lot of jobs through PPP and many businesses weren't directly impacted by the lockdowns and could switch to remote relatively easily.
Obviously a lot of the small and medium businesses which are direct business-to-consumer (restaurants, stores, etc.) suffered heavy losses and many have permanently gone out of business. I think the full reckoning of the effects of the damage towards this sector of the economy hasn't fully been realized yet because we're still in "war finance" mode and haven't take a step back to look at the long-term effects yet. But many of of the unemployment benefits were more generous than what these people were making while working, so that spending got redirected towards large retailers (Target, Walmart, etc.) and deliveries (Amazon, Uber Eats, etc.) and wasn't permanently lost. The size of fiscal policies this time around were roughly equivalent to the hole that got blown in GDP.
I think 07-08 was a pretty big hit to household wealth, which reduced consumption further. Also, for many small and medium businesses, home equity lines of credit (HELOCs) were a primary means of obtaining business loans, so decline in housing value didn't just hurt household wealth/consumption, but also SMB investment. I think people tend to underestimate how important SMBs are for the economy - they're responsible for ~ 50% of private payroll and GDP and 60% of net new job creation.
I think a lot of the difference in terms of psychological reaction has been muted towards the economy because of unemployment/stimmy checks as well as the fact that everyone is so focused on the virus.
Another thing is that compared to 07-08, this was very deep and painful, but also quick. You had restaurants shutting down and laying off/furloughing workers but they were able to rehire again when they opened back up. By comparison 07-08 seems painfully slow and we had waves of panic followed periods of calm. The whole thing from August 2007 to March 2009 took almost a year and a half with multiple "false dawns" before the ultimate climax.
Okay, so in 08, there's weren't a lot of help from the government (no fiscal policies except TARP, which didn't benefit people as much), so that's why people panicked then.
Can you elaborate on that 08 false dawn part? We keep getting hope of post-COVID normality, but with variants aren't those false dawns as well? ( I guess it's not as relevant b/c the balance sheets of households/biz are much better this time around -> easier hole to dig out of?)
Another argument I heard was that in 02/08, China wasn't as big/connected to the western economies, which helped in 08. But in 2021, it's extremely connected and that we won't fully return to a pre-covid economy until China fully recovers?
I should have been more specific. When I referenced the "false dawns" in regards to the GFC, I meant that financial market participants, economists, and central bankers kept expecting that the banking sector would recover, but it never really did.
From CS's macro research November 2009:
From Ben Bernanke in 2009:
From 2012:
From 2014:
Note the persistent optimism that the "real" recovery is just around the corner... This is what I mean by false dawns.
Sure the COVID restrictions are annoying, but what do they really impact economically/financially? Restaurants, hotels, gyms, concerts, other in-person events, etc. - mostly hospitality related jobs. Hospitality is only ~ 10% of GDP.
Everyone else has been working through COVID restrictions with minimal impact after the first 6 weeks of strict lockdowns. Businesses adapted if they could and switched to remote work, grocery stores remained open, and online and delivery businesses boomed. The downtick in services was matched with a corresponding uptick in goods spending. Restaurants going out of business is not a systemic economic event - that's probably just the long and short of it.
Furthermore, not every state/city has had the same open/close whiplash. Texas and Florida, two of the largest state economies, have largely remained open after the initial 4-6 weeks. Not every state/city is like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc.
The whole country was basically able to lean into the HQLA buffers that had been built up so commercial banks could provide funding, which combined with unprecedented fiscal backstops, were able to get us through the worst of the economic disruption, which only lasted a short period of time anyway.
I can definitely see the China argument. China has been the marginal consumer/source of growth in the global economy for a long time - so they can definitely drag down the global economy. They also have a lot of their own idiosyncratic issues which are worse than just COVID and they've been walking a tightrope now for longer than most people thought they would be able to with the instability of their financial system.
I think many people have been scarred/impacted by 07-08 so that if there isn't another Lehman failing it doesn't seem like a big deal. There are worse fates than that (i.e. Japan).
But banks have to worry about bad loans during COVID right? Do you think the banks are capitalized enough and/or we will see a wave of defaults related to hospitality starting next year that may affect banks?
Honestly, good stuff from you. Always great to chat with macro minds
I agree we will have to go through a debt-default cycle at some point. You're talking to the guy who thought the CLO market was going to implode. Somehow everything still seem to be more or less OK for the moment.
I think part of the reason we didn't/haven't seen that yet is the Paycheck Protection Program (fiscal), the PPPLF (Fed), and Main Street Lending Program (Fed) allowed banks to basically lend at will to businesses and not worry about loan defaults/non-performing loans. The banks weren't necessarily offering loans/loan extensions out of the goodness of their hearts...
For comparison (kind of a bad comparison, but whatever) think about the wave of O&G defaults during 2014-2016. That wasn't really systemic, and I don't think that hospitality will be either. I think one of the BIG ticking time bombs is commercial real estate, especially with WFH and Delta concerns. We'll see how that plays out over the next 12 months.
Nice talking with you too. I always like discussing macro because writing out my ideas forces me to be more clear/honest with my viewpoint. Also enjoy talking to sellside traders because you guys are much more in the weeds than I am with many of these developments. I just try to piece things together from a distance, but you guys are the ones up front and center and often have a more intuitive understanding that isn't necessarily observable from a chart or study.
Wow, I honestly understood very little of this but it sounds really interesting. Do you have any recommendations (books, podcasts, etc) on how to get smart on how the financial system works?
Anything by Mohammed El-Erian. His book was awesome.
Very insightful post. So what's your outlook on the next 12-18 months and what should we be paying close attention to during this time frame? Do any of the issues that were mitigated have the near-term potential to resurface?
Wow. Great read and thanks for sharing. Do you mind elaborating on what happened at Citadel? I frankly have no idea how a place like that works and couldn’t find good reading on the internet.
Just coming back to this post almost one year later as I thought that it was one of the more insightful posts over the past year and obviously still very timely. If I may, and if you are still around of course, I have a couple of follow-up questions:
1) With regard to Citadel almost blowing up - I assume that this was just information that those who had a good vantage point were privy to since it wasn't widely publicized. However, I came across an FT article from last month (https://www.ft.com/content/216866e7-cecb-4650-aea5-b9dedc7d7c7c / "Did a major financial institution kinda maybe slightly default in March 2020?") reporting that an ICE executive basically alluded to a market maker being on the cusp of default during the same period. Citadel denied it was them. Were other mm's/financial institutions also close to blowups, and do you think that the underlying problems that led to these almost-blowups have largely been corrected or were the solutions palliative in nature?
2) And I guess related to my first question - are the Fed's new tweaks to its policy tools (permanence of SRF as you mentioned and the increase in the size of the ON RRP/RRP caps) sufficient to deal with a possible treasury market stress event? I am asking given the commencement of QT and considering events from Sept 2019 QT 1?
3) Thoughts about possible SLR relief/exemptions again? Are we at the stage, based on market liquidity, where the Fed should consider reimplementing the extension?
Yep I'm still around (maybe too much LOL, but I've gotten a lot of useful information here over the years).
1. To be honest, Citadel was more of an educated guess than anything else. If you remember the midnight white house meeting back in March 2020, Trump invited the bank heads and a few non-bank heads including Steve Schwarzmann (Blackstone), Larry Fink (Blackrock), and Ken C. Griffin (Citadel). AFAIK, he didn't invite Izzy Englander (Millennium) or any other HF heads. Now blackstone and blackrock make sense - blackstone on the corporate/RE side and blackrock because of their involvement in the Fed's backstop programs. But Ken C. Griffin doesn't really make any sense on the face of it - especially since Izzy Englander wasn't there. It was well known that all of these guys gorged on basis trading from c. 2018 - 2020, but I would bet the exposure at Citadel and MLP were larger than most.
I think a part of that meeting was negotiating a way for Citadel to be able to liquidate their treasuries without overloading the primary dealers and disrupting the treasury market even worse than it already was. The futures price had to converge by March 31, but obviously you can get carried out before then because these guys run 25-50x (or more) leverage. This an issue for any fund that relied on repo borrowing to finance holdings of off-the-run treasuries. Basically, any levered nonbank financial institution. We don't know if the problem has been fixed yet, because the private sector hasn't had to absorb that much new treasury issuance yet.
2. RRP wouldn't do anything to solve this problem (it might even exacerbate it), because the RRP is just a place for MMFs to park assets at. The alternative would be lending to large dealers in tri-party repo (who then lend to HFs and smaller dealers) or lending to HFs/smaller dealers directly in sponsored repo. If the RRP remains attractive relative to other market rates, it will continue to suck reserves out of the system. Will be interesting to see when/how this unwinds.
SRF might solve the problem, but that is also TBD and depends on the set of counterparties. If banks don't wind up signing up to use the SRF, or it isn't used because there's a stigma like the discount window, then it won't really solve anything. It's better than nothing, but these top-down, centrally-driven, regulatory fixes aren't usually a great substitute for organic private market function. I'm expecting something to break again in 1-2 years.
3. I agree they definitely should, but whether or not they actually will is an entirely different question. The problem is the SLR was finalized in 2014 when the Fed thought they would get the balance sheet back down to roughly pre-GFC size. At these levels of Fed B/S size, the SLR winds up perverting the incentives of large banks and ends up being a binding constraint rather than as a secondary backstop (RWA was meant to be the primary lever). I believe Lorie Logan and a few other people at the Fed have mentioned the possibility of amending the SLR, but I agree with Zoltan that their decision to let it expire last March was probably a definitive signal. The Fed seems much more enthusiastic about central clearing of cash UST trades than about SLR relief.
Wonderful history here.
The difference was the rich got poorer in 94/02/08, everyone from all social classes suffered. What happened in 2020 was that the fed made the rich richer. Wealth inequality has widened even further post COVID. The bottom 50% have it worse now than they in 2008. Inflation is at a record high while wages continue to be stagnant for the middle class.
Imagine seeing the Macro post above and thinking this comment is post-worthy
he's not lying though
Very interesting post, thanks a lot!
What role do you think the overall shift in the economy/efficiency has taken helped shift this crisis quickly? I think you nailed one of the points about "O&G debt crisis" not being a systemic risk in 2014-2016 nor in 2020 as energy products basically went to zero. Unlike 20 years ago the "O&G" industry is not a huge component of the economy anymore and as you mentioned neither are the financial firms based on the new rules/policies. The major systemic risk you also explained was the liquidity crisis that the fed/treasury dealt with asap to fix.
But the other side is that "covid" allowed a whole new series of industries to grow and be created. In 2008, I do not think any good came out the rubble. While the largest firms (FANG tech) were able to take an even greater chunk of the economy and get stronger in this short-term crisis.
Not to take away from the other good posts on the thread but uhh, have you been paying attention to the junk that the Biden admin has been throwing out lately? It’s a constant stream of BS about oil/gas price gouging and how the oil companies are to blame for high pump prices (which is having and will have a very real impact on consumer spending though to date it’s been more deferral of vacations than reduced fuel spend). O&G is as relevant as ever. I do agree with your point in that the debt issues weren’t a systemic risk but they were a big contributor to why we are where we are today.
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