Manny Khoshbin?

Recently came upon this guy who has a $30m+ fleet of super/hyper cars as well as a supposed net worth of $300m from real estate.

He sells programs where he mentors others in real estate for a 5 figure price tag.

Anyone heard of this guy?

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Feb 15, 2021 - 6:15pm

Yeah been aware of him for a few years. He's a Grant Cardone / Robert Kiyosaki kind of guy. Got a real estate licence, invested in RE when he could - he's done that for over 20 years. So with the knowledge he had and doing it for 20+ years, it makes sense that he is where he is. Now runs courses and stuff. Definitely some good motivational content on his social media always

 
Feb 15, 2021 - 7:36pm

I got real curious about this guy. Here's how I know he's full of shit:

1) I worked at a shop where we evaluated placing a bridge financing for him. Granted I had left by then but my good friend told me the dude had literally zero liquidity - neither in personal or in business accounts. Kinda weird for someone driving around $2M cars saying they have a treasure trove portfolio of CRE assets. 

2) I looked him up and only found a hand full of entities he controlled recorded on title. Doesn't have a huge portfolio - think 4-5 buildings in Orange County and Texas. I did however find his house in Pelican Hill (Newport Coast) which he surprisingly owned and bought for like $18M. But he took out a 2nd trust deed hard money loan on it from a sketchy "loan to own" type lender lmfao. 

Where there's smoke there's fire. Who knows what else sits below the surface of a quick public records and title search....

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Feb 17, 2021 - 3:54am

Life Cos would categorize him as a typical "California Borrower". In all seriousness though, there are quite a few people that have made fortunes by taking out aggressive cashout refis. I'm sure that those properties probably give him enough cash to pay for his lifestyle and subsequent cashout refis pay for the cars and other large purchases. The issue for those types of people is what happens during a typical downturn. The best dealmakers are able to get out unscathed via workouts. 

 
Feb 16, 2021 - 11:12am

BagofBirkins

Recently came upon this guy who has a $30m+ fleet of super/hyper cars as well as a supposed net worth of $300m from real estate.

He sells programs where he mentors others in real estate for a 5 figure price tag.

Anyone heard of this guy?

Anyone selling mentorship programs is in the mentorship business, not the real estate business.  Generally speaking people spend the majority of their time on the highest--returning activities.  The cars and "net worth" part of it are all part of the show and the act.  You can find plenty of publications who will unquestioningly repeat that your net worth = AUM.  I absolutely believe a guy like this (or a Grant Cardone) might "own" $300mm worth of real estate.  When you consider that it's 60% levered and these guys probably own a small fraction of the equity, you come out to low 7 figures, which seems about right.  

 
Feb 16, 2021 - 12:23pm

You might be right, same could go for Ben Mallah. But how does that explain his access to those cars he has, plus the 18mil house? Cars like that are incredibly rare and expensive and not just anyone can order them. He may not be worth 300 mil (I actually doubt he is) but probably worth more than low seven figures. 

 
Feb 16, 2021 - 1:23pm

MaxEbic

You might be right, same could go for Ben Mallah. But how does that explain his access to those cars he has, plus the 18mil house? Cars like that are incredibly rare and expensive and not just anyone can order them. He may not be worth 300 mil (I actually doubt he is) but probably worth more than low seven figures. 

Rentals on the cars.  According to @Merchant_of_Debt, his house was probably highly levered in the first place and he's funding various other aspects of his life/business from supplemental debt.  $4mm is more than enough down to get you an $18mm home.  I hate to sound rude, but he finds access to cars like that because it impresses credulous rubes.  The concept of "he can afford XYZ so he must be rich!" is all too common and generally all too wrong.  When you see tons of news about how wealthy someone is, or about their net worth, and not a lot of information regarding the basis of it... that's a red flag.  When someone plugs their "real estate business" by showing off how they own $15mm more of house than they need, and their fleet of supercars.... that's a red flag.  Think about all the hyper wealthy people in real estate you know about.  Generally speaking, we know some of the assets they or their company own.  Sure, they may be into super cars, but when they're interviewed, the focus is on what they do, not what they buy with the proceeds of what they do...                                    

 
Feb 17, 2021 - 11:02am

MaxEbic

But how does that explain his access to those cars he has, plus the 18mil house? 

Credit. It is incredibly easy to accumulate debt - especially if you're starting out with a couple million to your name legitimately. 

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Feb 16, 2021 - 11:15am

I have met Manuchehr/Manny at a car meet last fall, he is a cool guy. Willing to make time and speak when you see him and seems to know a lot about cars. He has quite a few Persian buddies who are serial entrepreneurs, and his wife is also famous.

 
Feb 16, 2021 - 5:06pm

This guy is 100% actually rich or else there is no way he could even come close to affording those cars. He has CUSTOM made Bugatti's with Hermès and Mansory as well as a custom Pagani. You cannot "rent" these cars and they are extremely rare to even buy. People need to stop doubting people's wealth and success just because they flaunt it. The guy likely got extremely lucky and cashed out early on and used that success to parlay his wealth into more streams of income from YouTube and his courses as well as real estate 

 
Feb 16, 2021 - 5:40pm

This 100%.
I am into cars and have seen a part of his collection. they are all custom, there is no way of leasing them.

Also, his wife is also exceptionally wealthy. maybe they just combined their wealth and made really smart investments. and I am strongly assuming they are not from poor backgrounds either. There is the pervasive story how poor he was when he was younger. Was also on TV here locally, I live in LA and many tv stations had reports on him. I never know whether those stories check out... it is possible I guess.

 

 

 

 
Feb 17, 2021 - 10:58am

mech60

This 100%.
I am into cars and have seen a part of his collection. they are all custom, there is no way of leasing them.

Also, his wife is also exceptionally wealthy. maybe they just combined their wealth and made really smart investments. and I am strongly assuming they are not from poor backgrounds either. There is the pervasive story how poor he was when he was younger. Was also on TV here locally, I live in LA and many tv stations had reports on him. I never know whether those stories check out... it is possible I guess.

Define "custom car".  Is it for you, and it's fingerprint locked so no one else can use it?  Because otherwise all I'm hearing is that the car was ordered custom, which in no way means it cannot be used, rented, borrowed, etc by someone else.

And sure, if his wife is a billionaire good for him!  The question isn't "did he marry well," but rather (it is implied to be) "what has he done in the RE world to afford such a lifestyle?"

And the answer to the latter question is "nothing, apparently."  So if he's not raking it in as an investor/developer/owner, he's either financing a lavish lifestyle through debt in order to impress idiots who think that owning expensive cars is equivalent to any kind of successful career, or... he married well and is pretending that means he's a real estate guru?

And no one is doubting his wealth because he "flaunts" it.  People doubt his (and those like him) wealth because all they seem to have are the "flaunt" parts and none of the "here's where it comes from" bits.  Ken Griffin bought a $238mm apartment in NYC last year.  But that is a symptom of his wealth, a result, and not a cause.  He's not wealthy because he bought that apartment, he's wealthy because he founded Citadel.  So with this Manny Khoshbin guy, where is his Citadel?  He has the flash of expensive cars and an (apparently over)-leveraged home (both of which are prime indicators of people living beyond their means, I'd argue), but where is the substance?  What assets does he own that pays for those cars and that home?  If you can't find or point to that, then of course the assumption is that the guy is a fraud.

 

 
Feb 17, 2021 - 11:26am

The fact that you just said finger print locked so no one can use it is ridiculous in terms of referencing custom cars. It is now clear and obvious you know nothing about cars or hyper cars.

Anyway, since you are asking for a question on how he made money in real estate, he has videos up on YouTube of properties he's purchased and broken down the financials to those properties as well as discussed his profits/losses. Along with that - here's his website with properties he owns that he's trying to lease up https://khoshbinco.com. Like I said - he likely got lucky with a few real estate investments early on, and then parlayed that into YouTube revenue along with the classes he sells. Hard to be mega rich and have one single source of income.

 
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Feb 17, 2021 - 12:04pm

cre-23

The fact that you just said finger print locked so no one can use it is ridiculous in terms of referencing custom cars. It is now clear and obvious you know nothing about cars or hyper cars.

I never claimed I did?  I'm a real estate developer, not an automotive engineer.  I was employing a technique called "hyperbole," and you missed the point extremely badly.  How do you know he owns that specific car?

Anyway, since you are asking for a question on how he made money in real estate, he has videos up on YouTube of properties he's purchased and broken down the financials to those properties as well as discussed his profits/losses. Along with that - here's his website with properties he owns that he's trying to lease up https://khoshbinco.com. Like I said - he likely got lucky with a few real estate investments early on, and then parlayed that into YouTube revenue along with the classes he sells. Hard to be mega rich and have one single source of income.

It's extremely easy to be mega rich and have one single source of income.  Go look at any extremely wealthy person - they didn't do it working two jobs, or with a side hustle.  They made their money by excelling at one thing, or succeeding at one thing, and whether they diversified or not is immaterial.  Again, since I brought him up earlier... I'm sure Ken Griffin makes millions and millions of dollars a year on various investments he's made.  But he's wealthy because of Citadel, not his $3mm Bitcoin investment profit or the real estate portfolio he's assembled.

Lets make something clear - people selling programs through YouTube videos of "how to make it big in real estate" are not UHNW individuals.  And if they are, their money comes from selling those programs, not from the real estate they purport to be experts in.  Otherwise, they wouldn't be spending all their time filming themselves unwrapping cars or touring their mansions - they'd be managing and expanding their real estate portfolio.  That is just common sense.

His website is literally a picture of himself and five small to medium size office rental properties.  Nothing else.  Given what else we know about him, it's almost a guarantee that if he owned anything else, he'd be publicizing that too.

Mr Khoshbin, like most snake oil salesmen before him, seems to have realized that the world is full of people asking to be duped, and who can't distinguish between how to create wealth and how to acquire the trappings of wealth.  He's draped himself in the language and accoutrements of a hyper-wealthy person, and people like you are eating it up.  In the 30 seconds of looking, I see he has like 5x as many videos about his cars as he does his real estate, which should tell you something in and of itself.  I even listened to one of his videos, which was titled "How I made $12 Million Off One Building" for reference.  And... at no point do you hear anything of value.  He doesn't "break down the financials".  He spouts off about how much he's increased rents by, or how much he claims he has, without giving any context.  Sure, he increased the value of the marina slips by $14,000/mo - but it took him 2 years and an undisclosed amount of money to do it.  Was some of it vacant?  How much did it cost him to build?  Did he borrow that money, is it equity?  For that matter, how much of his equity is syndicated out?  What kind of leverage does he have?  He claims to have converted dead space into rentable floor area, but the only business he could find willing to rent it was his own "very lucrative" cigar lounge.

You see what I mean?  He's telling you he has wealth, and showing you what he bought with that wealth, but there is absolutely nothing about his schtick which explains where that wealth is coming from and how it was generated.  A bunch of vague platitudes, and a "look at my new car" to distract.  I believe foolish people who don't do their research or who invest in get rich quick schemes deserve to lose their money, so I have no objection to this guy fleecing you or anyone else, but don't sit there and tell me he's done it through savvy real estate investing.

 
Feb 20, 2021 - 5:56am

Another aspect is interesting: the cars he is buying are also very rare and will almost always gain in value. He regularly sells cars at a significant profit. While he is into cars out of passion; to him, buying/selling cars is also another business area.

 
Feb 20, 2021 - 9:54am

mech60

Another aspect is interesting: the cars he is buying are also very rare and will almost always gain in value. He regularly sells cars at a significant profit. While he is into cars out of passion; to him, buying/selling cars is also another business area.

Fantastic.  If he's selling himself as a second-hand salesman of luxury vehicles, good for him.  I know nothing about that, but maybe he's really good at it!  I just object to the idea that he's a "real estate" anything.

 
Feb 19, 2021 - 1:20pm

I think 99% of courses out there aren't really worth it. The fact of the matter is that getting wealthy in Real Estate is pretty simple. Buy solid properties with lots of leverage, refi etc. WTBS I have seen one course on personal re investing I've been tempted to buy as it deals more with creative financing techniques

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