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Mental Disorder called Liberalism

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In which direction is this world heading? I don't think there is anything I hate more than Liberals. What do you guys think causes this "trend"?

Do you guys face a lot of liberals at work? Are there a lot of them in IB and high finance?

PS: Fuck that Trump debate. I don't want to live in a world where guys like Bernie Sanders are president.

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Comments (216)

Apr 30, 2017

Seriously? They want Chick A Fill out of campus?
How can they discriminate against a belief of a company while at the same time criticizing and demanding punishment for discrimination against its own? It's clearly double standards.

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Apr 30, 2017

A friend of mine who just matriculated from the California University System gave me the low down. It's bad. I didn't want to believe the talking heads... I chalked it up to yellow journalism. But my friend actually told me that he spent his entire college career pretending to be liberal so that his grades wouldn't suffer. That's a huge condemnation of the entire system.

He gave a lot of examples, such as how the gen-ed courses are intentionally vacuous such as to fill that space with liberal rhetoric on gender, race, equality, socialism, et cetera. How the faculty and administration are quick to condemn any speech which runs counter to the campus consensus. How they do not push back against the consensus when it is quick to label innocuous economic rhetoric as "Nazi hate speech". How TAs openly condemn Trump supporters. It goes on.

From our time in the military, I've known this friend to be level-headed and candid. I don't think he would make something like this up.

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May 1, 2017

Can also confirm issue in the California schools. One of my best friends told me they essentially were not allowed to have an alternating view in a Gen-Ed course without risking lowering their grade / being harassed by the rest of the class. My friend is right in the middle too, doesn't lean much left or much right - but it is a serious issue.

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May 2, 2017

michigan started a white privilege class in their business school program. If i ever go there, i'm just gonna cheat my way through and never look back.

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May 2, 2017

I currently attend a school in the CSU system and have witnessed some of this behavior. If you're either a Trump supporter/Republican, you're a minority. Any class discussion regarding politics will end with that person against a whole lecture hall.

I personally don't care much for politics, but it's definitely unfair for someone not to be able to speak their beliefs/thoughts without being attacked.

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May 2, 2017

What is the "California University System"? I have never heard of that school.

Apr 30, 2017

Hint: it begins with the letters "U" and "C".

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May 2, 2017

So you're referring to the University of California system. There's also a California State University system, hence my question. Please get it right so we're all on the same page.

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May 5, 2017

You're exactly the California "holier-than-thou" disillusioned liberal douchebag we're talking about.

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May 6, 2017
David-Addison:

Hint: it begins with the letters "U" and "C".

I can confirm that everything you said is true. I went to two UCs for undergrad and grad, and received lowered grades (5 grading errors that lowered my grade in 5 different classes), encountered sexism, hostility, anti-white everything, etc etc. For reference, I was also going to apply to USUHS for med school this year but decided to go into finance/business, instead. The ironic thing about the above is that the UC system is disproportionately asian.

May 6, 2017

Asians, excluding subcontinentals, don't give much shit about the politics. AFAIK, most of them are pretty passive when it comes to politics. One of my buddies who attended UCB (who's a moderate Rep) faced all sorts of hostility - gender-related, anti-white, the works. According to him, it's usually self-righteous white hippies and hipsters, and black and Latino kids. Oh, and a shit lot of Muslim Middle Eastern, Pakistani and Indian liberals who are so protective and preachy of their religion. Not that he's against any of them - he's actually fairly supportive of most such causes, but he was still grouped with the rest of the "deplorables", and rudely interacted with.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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May 2, 2017

most asians are pretty based, and by liberal standards would be considered the most racist groups on earth. American Asians are different, but good luck trying to find a job in Japan if you are anything but Japanese.

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May 6, 2017

Maybe, but when you look at how they're slowly opening themselves up, as opposed to the US closing themselves....

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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May 2, 2017

what are you talking about? for the longest time our gates were swung wide open. If anything it's the brain drain swinging in the opposite direction. We have made it harder for top tier human capital to land work in America and Western Europe.... but if you come from a 3rd world as an economic migrant, with little to zero education.... well come on in!!! Welcome to America. Here are a bunch of benefits and welfare programs! China has opened itself up, but mostly only for economic commerce. Foreigners can't own land, will never be citizens, and I'm pretty sure outside of teaching English in China it's impossible to get a job. Japan is worse than China. Hong Kong and Singapore are a different story, but even there they are looking for name brand western education, as they try to fuel their own version of a talent brain drain. The people who left America to work in hong kong for IBD 5-10 years ago probably made a killing the last few years.

May 6, 2017

Japan and China used to be practically isolationist countries. At least now, they've initiated a refugee program. Something's better than nothing (even if that something is pretty less).
As for top-tier human capital finding work in Asia, it's actually been REALLY REALLY EASY for a long time - as long as you know the local language and customs well. Finance and consulting jobs are mostly populated with westernized Asians and westerners. Getting promoted to CXO/Director positions is hard though, thanks to the bias that you mentioned. Singapore and HK are notable exceptions, where any foreigner can rise up high. The only issue is crossing the barriers of language and network, after which it is an easy ride in - there are no stupid immigration rules preventing you from getting a job.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Dec 27, 2017
My Name is Jeff:

Japan and China used to be practically isolationist countries. At least now, they've initiated a refugee program. Something's better than nothing (even if that something is pretty less).
As for top-tier human capital finding work in Asia, it's actually been REALLY REALLY EASY for a long time - as long as you know the local language and customs well. Finance and consulting jobs are mostly populated with westernized Asians and westerners. Getting promoted to CXO/Director positions is hard though, thanks to the bias that you mentioned. Singapore and HK are notable exceptions, where any foreigner can rise up high. The only issue is crossing the barriers of language and network, after which it is an easy ride in - there are no stupid immigration rules preventing you from getting a job.

that's not because of 'diversity' initiatives...it's bc of aging population and declining procreation.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!

May 6, 2017

Where do you see me mention diversity initiatives? Retard. Clearly I mention the opposite, where one needs to integrate as much as possible with the existing majority society, by learning the language and customs, in order to land a job. That's not promoting diversity, that's assimilation.

Also tell me how an aging population and declining procreation explains the number of foreigners in Asian finance? If that was a reference to the number of foreigners who can land jobs in Asia now, please land that job in Hong Kong BB and come back. It's much harder these days, especially with the shit ton of native competition educated in colleges abroad.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Jul 13, 2018

Ewe Si

AZBR

May 14, 2017

I've heard rumors of this. How scary. What colleges or parts of the country are more neutral?

May 2, 2017

top tier ones? none of them.... they are all attraction points for ultra liberals. You just go there, ignore them, get your great job, and then never look back from your gated community

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Apr 30, 2017

I think the mental disorder is dogmatic partisanship.

"There's nothing I hate more than liberals."

Maybe liberals would say the opposite, but where does this get us? Definitely not towards progressive discussion and debate...

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Dec 27, 2017

Progressive discussion and debate is exactly what Liberals don't want. They trample together with mainstream media on the first amendment rights from conservatives. Just look at CNN where they cut people off, when they say things they don't like...

Don't say this in a banking interview:

Which superhero would you be and why? I want to be like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - me.

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May 1, 2017

I mean the argument can go boths ways. Fox news cuts people off as well. You are not getting anywhere by calling the other side of the fence "a mental disorder".

There is logical reasoning for both parties. And yes, both parties can go too far as well.

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May 6, 2017
<span itemprop=name>theofficeguy</span>:

I mean the argument can go boths ways. Fox news cuts people off as well. You are not getting anywhere by calling the other side of the fence "a mental disorder".

There is logical reasoning for both parties. And yes, both parties can go too far as well.

The amount of MS on your comment goes on to show how many people over here don't want any form of progress on this debate.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 30, 2017

How can we have debate when it is OK to silence conservative speakers? Debate is long gone.

May 2, 2017

This.

It is completely impossible to have a genuine debate about differing political views with liberals when as soon as you disagree with them for any matter of reasons, they immediately brand you as a fascist/sexist/etc. with no facts to back up the statement other than you disagreed with the position and therefore, must be a 'bad person'.

I think the days of educated debate around these issues have long since passed and has given rise to an age in which it is fine to silence someone with a conservative point of view due to this invading your 'safe space' with 'hate speech'.

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Apr 30, 2017

"Liberalism is a mental Disorder" - Dr. Michael Savage

Ironically the political cycles have flowed to the point where the Conservatives are the Classic Liberals and the "Liberals" are the Fascists looking to limit rights

Its going to be comical when these Antifa losers grow up and get real jobs... oh wait they are just going to get a doctorate in "Feminist Studies", accumulate students loans, fail at writing a book, and then spend the rest of their life as a professor teaching their students how to hate free market capitalism and all that is normal.

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May 2, 2017
<span itemprop=name>AngryBallCoach</span>:

"Liberalism is a mental Disorder" - Dr. Michael Savage

Savage Nation 3pm-6pm EST, M-F, KSFO in San Francisco on the iHeart radio app. Guy is hilarious.

You know his son created Rockstar Energy Drink? Savage was early investor. Family is worth a billion+

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May 6, 2017

He obtained a PhD in 1978 from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine.[22] His thesis was titled Nutritional Ethnomedicine in Fiji.

How is this guy not equivalent to those feminists who take up PhDs in gender studies?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 30, 2017

Not sure if your question is about the value of his degrees vs a PHD in feminist studies or the fact that he isn't a bleeding heart liberal from his line of work.

Any study of health and well being, especially natural remedies will always be worth more than than the Garbage that is Gender Studies. He claims that the he originally wanted to be a dead beat liberal professor, but when he went to apply he was told (paraphrasing here) "Some will have to forgo their career in order to make way for those with diverse backgrounds" so basically "white males need not apply", this sparked his leaning to the right of the political spectrum.

But That's the thing that separates his show from the others. His show isn't "Republican good, Democrat bad" his past as a botanist, social worker, and living surrounded by the other side of the political spectrum is an interesting look on life. He talks about every day life and relates it back to politics.

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Apr 30, 2017

I mainly pick him up on the podcast version.

Its funny you mention his son. He rarely talks about his immediate family on the show (for obvious security reasons), but just the other day he was talking about immigrants and low income workers and how we still need them to work at fast food restaurants and general labor. He mentioned that even though he made enough money so his kid didn't HAVE to work, he forced his son to get a job at burger king in a bad neighborhood just so he could learn what having a real job was like and to create a work effort.

Needless to say the son is very successful and always thanks his father/credits his Burger King job as the key to what taught him about consumers and business.

So I guess the future is bright for those of us who work [email protected]#$ jobs through college as opposed to having everything handed to us.

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May 14, 2017
<span itemprop=name>AngryBallCoach</span>:

"Liberalism is a mental Disorder" - Dr. Michael Savage

Ironically the political cycles have flowed to the point where the Conservatives are the Classic Liberals and the "Liberals" are the Fascists looking to limit rights

Its going to be comical when these Antifa losers grow up and get real jobs... oh wait they are just going to get a doctorate in "Feminist Studies", accumulate students loans, fail at writing a book, and then spend the rest of their life as a professor teaching their students how to hate free market capitalism and all that is normal.

The idea that the average conservative in this country is classical liberal or even pro free market is laughable. The average Trump voter believes fully in the welfare state so long as it benefits them and not people that don't look like them. The average Trump voter does not believe in free trade and wants large scale protectionism to resurrect dying domestic industries. The average Trump voter does not want freedom of speech or freedom of religion or even universal adult suffrage (as evidence by their continued illegal voter hallucinations). They only believe in a narrow definition of individual liberty that coincidentally would only apply to a white lower to lower middle class Christian male. And now we know that the average Trump voter doesn't give a damn about national security either as evidenced by their continued support of Russian cyberterrorism. None of these things are similar to classical liberalism. There is no classical liberal party in America.

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Apr 30, 2017

A LOT of generalizations in your posts but let me see if I can enlighten you.

a. It is interesting how you say "the average trump supporter" supports welfare when a big talking point by both trump and the rest of the right is that "welfare is taking away the incentive to get out there and work" (actual trump quote). Very poor generalization on your part. Why would a beneficiary of welfare support a political party/ideology that is looking to take away their benefits/way of life?

b. I will agree on the part about the general message of Trump's economic plan being based on protectionism on a global scale. But, on the domestic level the right is always looking for the deregulation of business, as the left looks for a more socialized structure on a domestic level, as well as globalization of the economy as a whole.

c. Clearly you are either living in the 1990's, a leftist safe space, or maybe you don't follow politics as closely as you should to be able to comment on this stuff.

It's funny how the left has been pushing for censorship and "hate speech laws", yet the right is anti free speech. I would refer you to look at the silencing of Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin Mccinnes, and many other right wing speakers by leftists.

d. so the "bible thumpers" don't want freedom of religion? interesting.

e. "illegal voter hallucinations" this actual made me laugh. You are right about the fact that the right does not want illegal aliens voting in our election, neither does any SOVEREIGN NATION! If there was no voter fraud, why wouldn't the left entertain the idea of voter ID to prove the right wrong?

f. "liberty that coincidentally would only apply to a white lower to lower middle class Christian male" AH the SJW in you really just popped out here! Calling "the average trump supporter" a white supremacist really helps prove your point. Where in Trump's message did he specifically say "only lower and lower middle class white christian males?"....... I thought so.

g. So the "the average trump supporter" is a ethnocentrism, white supremacist who is paranoid over national security, but now doesn't care about national security because the left has no substantial evidence that the russians hacked the election.

h. I never said there was a classic liberal party in America.

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Anyways, don't make emotional arguments because you were triggered, you are just wasting time and energy.

The bottom line is if you look at the modern left they have been leaning on the fascist side for years now.
Again, I please take a look at this whole "anti-fa" movement and how they are protesting AGAINST free speech.
Free Speech is an inalienable right that covers speech that you don't agree with/ triggers you.

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May 14, 2017

It's interesting how you think I'm defending leftists or am a leftist myself or that I'm generalizing the entire Republican party simply because I think the average Trump voter is a fascist moron. Noted.

<span itemprop=name>AngryBallCoach</span>:

A LOT of generalizations in your posts but let me see if I can enlighten you.

a. It is interesting how you say "the average trump supporter" supports welfare when a big talking point by both trump and the rest of the right is that "welfare is taking away the incentive to get out there and work" (actual trump quote). Very poor generalization on your part. Why would a beneficiary of welfare support a political party/ideology that is looking to take away their benefits/way of life?

Because they're so caught up in partisan hackery and culture wars that they don't care that Republican politicians want to cut their welfare to reduce taxes for the rich. But when the reality hit that the Republican congress was going to cut the part of Obamacare that benefit them personally they changed their tune.

b. I will agree on the part about the general message of Trump's economic plan being based on protectionism on a global scale. But, on the domestic level the right is always looking for the deregulation of business, as the left looks for a more socialized structure on a domestic level, as well as globalization of the economy as a whole.

The general message of Trump's economic plan was a lie from the beginning. Him and the Washington politicians are pro-globalist just like the Democrats. The man makes millions/billions overseas and around the world. You're delusional if you think he's anti-globalist. And yes the elites of the Republican Party want massive deregulation. Under George W Bush it worked until the entire world economy crashed. However the voting non-elite of the Republican Party want their industries protected and subsidized. See: farmers.

c. Clearly you are either living in the 1990's, a leftist safe space, or maybe you don't follow politics as closely as you should to be able to comment on this stuff.

You don't know shit about me.

It's funny how the left has been pushing for censorship and "hate speech laws", yet the right is anti free speech. I would refer you to look at the silencing of Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin Mccinnes, and many other right wing speakers by leftists.

I agree that leftists are anti free speech and it's retarded. I actually had an argument once with a communist who said that free speech is not a right because individual rights don't exist since every individual is part of a society. There are plenty of retards on all sides.

d. so the "bible thumpers" don't want freedom of religion? interesting.

Yes they believe that the United States is a Christian nation and should stay that way.

e. "illegal voter hallucinations" this actual made me laugh. You are right about the fact that the right does not want illegal aliens voting in our election, neither does any SOVEREIGN NATION! If there was no voter fraud, why wouldn't the left entertain the idea of voter ID to prove the right wrong?

Even Trump has been unable to produce a shred of evidence that there was widespread voting fraud. Feel free to post any actual evidence that widespread voter fraud happened.

f. "liberty that coincidentally would only apply to a white lower to lower middle class Christian male" AH the SJW in you really just popped out here! Calling "the average trump supporter" a white supremacist really helps prove your point. Where in Trump's message did he specifically say "only lower and lower middle class white christian males?"....... I thought so.

Yes you got me I'm a SJW because I don't have a bizarre crush on Donald Trump like the average Trump voter. Since I'm not homoerotically interested in him I recognize that he's been a complete embarrassment and failure to this country so far.

g. So the "the average trump supporter" is a ethnocentrism, white supremacist who is paranoid over national security, but now doesn't care about national security because the left has no substantial evidence that the russians hacked the election.

I'm fascinated by the fact that Trump supporters will believe any and all conspiracies related to the Clintons or the Obamas but when everyone around Trump is caught lying about their associations with Russia that is JUST TOO FAR FETCHED A CONSPIRACY.
I'm sure pizzagate had "substantial evidence" in your eyes.

h. I never said there was a classic liberal party in America.

Wow after that whole emotional breakdown you finally addressed what I actually said in my post. Bravo for pulling yourself together. Good we agree that there is no classical liberal party in America.

Anyways, don't make emotional arguments because you were triggered, you are just wasting time and energy.

I'm the triggered one? I simply stated that the average Trump supporter is not a classical liberal as evidenced by your delusional post. I don't care what you say or your opinion is on that matter because you're clearly a willing participant of Trump's cult of personality.

The bottom line is if you look at the modern left they have been leaning on the fascist side for years now.Again, I please take a look at this whole "anti-fa" movement and how they are protesting AGAINST free speech.Free Speech is an inalienable right that covers speech that you don't agree with/ triggers you.

Yep and I agree these people are stupid. Meanwhile the far right in this country has crawled into its own bubble of Fox New/Breitbart/Alex Jones to protect themselves from reality.

Now you can continue to suffer emotional breakdowns over the fact that I insulted your Dear Leader or you can read this post, maybe hyperventilate a little over someone saying mean things about your hero (I'll allow that since clearly the far right psyche is quite fragile), and then go about your day as normal. Either way I'm done dealing with crypto-statists for now.

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Apr 30, 2017

"It's interesting how you think I'm defending leftists or am a leftist myself or that I'm generalizing the entire Republican party simply because I think the average Trump voter is a fascist moron. Noted"
-wouldn't the average trump supporter be an avid Republican/ America's right?

a. I would love to see the statistic that the average (majority) of Trump Supporters are on welfare... If you are voting republican and don't expect welfare cuts you are very uniformed. Again your generalization is just a generalization

b. I described trumps MESSAGE... not his personal PRACTICE of politics. Again Generalization

c. ... maybe I jumped the gun on the whole SJW thing... but hey its the internet.
Well atleast we agree on the fact that the Leftists are pushing for free speech

d. If you study our history our country was Built on Protestant-Christian Values. And statistically we still are a majority christian Country. But the Freedom of Religion is still a constitutional right.
Maybe the literal neo-nazi <.1% minority of the right believes in banning other religions, but it is not a value held by the majority. Again your statement is a generalization

e. I've been through this before, it just turns into a pissing contest. I send you and article you send me one and we go back and forth.... so I'll skip to the end.
Bottom line is if their was no voter fraud, why wouldn't the Dem's just allow a Voter ID law to be out inplace to prove the Repubs wrong? Obviously partisan politics... because they don't want to piss off their illegal voting base :). If they could they would give every illegal immigrant the right to vote so they could pander for more votes.

f. hmmm homophobic slurs... you passed the test you aren't a full SJW! A real SJW would get triggered by such words!
But seriously you have no answer to my question posted, you know that you just made up another generalization.

g. That's basic politics "4 legs good 2 legs bad", the same can be said for Hillary Supporters.

On a more important note Pizzagate was a damn shame.
Not in the fact that it was false. But more about that it made the idea of a child trafficking is a VERY REAL thing. You may want to label me as an "average trump supporter" but do yourself a favor and google Jeffrey Epstein Child Trafficking; he was an Investment banking BILLIONAIRE, who created a large pedophile ring and committed great attrociaties

h. Emotional Breakdown? "you don't know shit about me" ... lmfao

"I'll allow that since clearly the far right psyche is quite fragile"- have you not seen the left's reaction to trumps election?

I like how you claim I am the the delusional one when you are the one with a delusional view of an "average trump supporter as seen by my above comments.

p.s. first time I ever was called a cryptostatist lol

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Jul 13, 2018

One year later, have your opinions changed?

AZBR

Apr 30, 2017

In high school, after committing to an Ivy League, I was prepared to be bombarded with liberalism all the time. Lucky for me, I go to a school known for being somewhat apathetic, not really protesting much, and I never really hear people talk about micro aggressions, being gender fluid, etc. In fact, it was a lot worse for me in high school, so it's sort of like a breath of fresh air now.

The worst I have experienced is that some classes clearly expect you to subscribe to the liberal consensus, with all readings strongly tilted, and surely saying anything to the contrary in these classes would leave you with a bad grade. Personally, I care more for my grade than to gamble with whether or not the professor might be open-minded to different fiscal ideas. Compared to high school, where one of my teachers literally had a life-sized, cardboard cut out of Bernie Sanders in the front of the classroom, it's really not so bad.

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Dec 27, 2017

Guy: "I believe the most qualified person should get the job"

Girl (Student): "If you are saying that the most qualified person is not a minority than yes it would be a micro-aggression"

Seriously?

"microaggressions" "safe spaces" are those college kids completely mental?
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To get an idea how extreme liberalism spreads at universities:
"Students say they want more illegal immigrants"
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CSU students terrorize conservative
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Students can't name one accomplishment of Hilary Clinton
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College Republicans harassed at UC Berkeley
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College Students question the importance of the constitution
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Don't say this in a banking interview:

Which superhero would you be and why? I want to be like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - me.

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Apr 30, 2017

Spot on. It's a diluted world they live in. Equality as long as Preferrential treatment to everyone but Straight white males, Indian and Chinese people.

If you watch 1984, they championed the idea that their language contracted every year. Control of language is how authoritative governments control people.

You can't say illegal, you say undocumented. You can't say male or female, you say they're or them. Mom and Dad is now offensive.

I don't see conservatives hitting people win bike locks because Pelosi spoke on campus. You don't see people supporting Hillary losing their job, getting their tires slashed, etc.

I fully expect things to get much worse.

May 1, 2017

lmk when the big banks realize their pristine target schools are just institutions for liberal brainwashing and move their recruitment efforts elsewhere.

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May 6, 2017

But hey, there's GS promoting an illegal fatso to VP, and ML promoting her to MD. I think after '08 and the bailout, most banks became liberal themselves.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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May 1, 2017

Fox/right wing media and MSNBC/left wing media do a good job of highlighting the far extreme of the opposition party's viewpoints, and presenting this as the centrist mainstream view to rile up their followers. Not all liberals are flag-burning safe-space college professors, and not all conservatives are alt-right racist, Nazi-worshiping Breitbart readers.

What is worthy of further examination is the direction and viewpoints of the tens of millions of people in each party's core voting base. When 85% of Republicans support Trump's actions thus far, 43% of them believe Obama is Muslim, and Vladimir Putin receives higher favorability rankings than Obama from these same voters, I'd argue that the current mindset to the right of the aisle is far more dangerous to the future of the U.S.

when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

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May 2, 2017

Fox is not extreme right wing. It's neocon RINO bs 24/7.

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May 1, 2017

where did I say Fox was extreme right wing? I said they present the extreme left-wing as mainstream liberal viewpoint. Which is absolutely their core strategy to brainwash their geriatric viewing audience.

when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

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Apr 30, 2017

I'm sorry, but you see these lunatic policy stances all over CNN, the supposedly moderate news channel. Bernie has dragged the Dems left and Trump has dragged the Republicans center.

May 1, 2017

Sorry TNA, you lost all credibility with your Trump adoration. Are you tired of the winning yet?

when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

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Apr 30, 2017

Standard liberal move. Lost all credibility haha. I could say the same thing for anyone who supported Hillary or Bernie.

Conservative SCOTUS and Jeff Session. Couldn't be happier.

But I don't have to justify anything to someone who has no credibility. See, this game is fun.

May 2, 2017

Jeff Sessions is a fucking asshole dude come the fuck on. He is against weed legalization. He is for "tougher policing" and less police oversight. He wants to double down on the war on drugs. Dude I get you support Trump and you're conservative but this dude is a caricature who's stuck in the past. I would be in no way surprised if that racism shit alleged against him that kept him from getting a federal judge seat in the 80s is 100% true.

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Apr 30, 2017

I agree and think pot should be legalized. I frankly think we should legalize all drugs. I also think aggressive police action has been one of the primary causes of the destruction of the black community.

But sadly, my choices are Sessions of a Holder clone. Holder did nothing but demonize the police. He didn't stop the militarization of police. He didn't do shit to help the black community. What he did do was inject himself into any black shooting and be a general asshole.

So my choice is sessions. Someone who will enforce the immigration laws and attack cities that refuse to cooperate with the federal government in an issue that is the right of the federal govt.

And whenever I see these degenerates rioting and protesting, I care less about military cops and more about maintaining law and order.

You find me a pro drug legalization, anti illegal immigration AG, and I'll support them. Otherwise I choose the least worst option.

May 2, 2017

Holder couldn't personally do anything about the police, that is handled at the state and local level. What his office did do is bring the blatant discrimination to light through investigations and provide recommendations to help the situation. Some police departments were adopting many of these recommendations, Dallas embraced community policing and is a model for the rest of the country. Under Sessions it appears incidents will be swept under the rug rather than a scrutinizing light being shone upon them. That reality coupled with his "tough on crime" bullshit will just exacerbate the problem and stunt the progress that has been made. We have a long way to go. Just look up Michael Slager - that fucker somehow wasn't convicted in court for shooting at an unarmed guys back ~8 times and killing him then proceeding to lie about the guy reaching for his stun gun. Video shows him planting the stun gun next to the dead body. Again, dude wasn't convicted. As for immigration that's more of an Obama policy than a Holder one.

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Apr 30, 2017

He pled guilty. I also somehow remember the suspect running from a traffic stop, fighting with the cop and shooting his taser.

Was the force excessive? Sure, whatever. How about you don't run, fight and grab at a cops weapon. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

And Holder stirred the pot as did obama. Zimmerman magically because white. Hands up don't shoot magically became real. On and on.

I'll take Sessions anyday. And with all this revolting going on I fully support the police up arming to squash the revolt.

Either way, Trump would have signed any legislation Ryan passed. The republicans failed. The republicans are fractured and fail. If they blow this opportunity it's on them. Either way I am happy to have a president that champions America, instead of one that lectures the US.

May 2, 2017

He pled guilty after a mistrial because the jury wouldn't convict him. A suspect running away with no weapon is exactly the situation in which an officer shouldn't pull out his weapon and start bustin' shots. There is no evidence the guy fought or went anywhere near his Taser, none. The guy was obviously lying which is why he felt the need to plant the Taser, which the video clearly shows. Sure, whatever? The guy is dead. Of course people should comply with the police but noncompliance shouldn't be an automatic death sentence, you know this. There is staggering evidence that police officers single out, and disproportionately use force, against minorities. Idgaf about the media or Zimmerman or "hands up don't shoot". Let's start acknowledging realities and look towards solutions instead of hiding behind "the media is biased" garbage.

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Apr 30, 2017

Whatever. I've seen the videos and you clearly see the taser wires and prongs in the cops jacket.

Did the suspect run?

Did he fight with the cop, bringing them to the ground?

Yes to both. You get selected out of the gene pool. BTW - if this guys was white, I'd feel 1000% the same way.

I've seen the video and I would convict him of maybe manslaughter. When someone grabs your weapon and fires it (which the video indicates he did) he becomes a threat.

I repeate.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Both these people's lives wouldn't have been ruined if a criminal didn't run from the cops.

May 2, 2017

That would be cool if force were equally applied, but it's not. Stupid whites seem to survive their stupidity at a much higher rate than stupid minorities. This shit is just a new form of oppression. Look at the Chicago PD and it's decades of corruption and oppression, then they wonder why gangs run rampant, the people who live in those hoods trust the police less than they do street thugs which makes policing damn near impossible. We now have people coming out for the police and pushing "blue lives matter" as if the police are the ones in need of protection. It's disgusting. Anyway I'm going to bow out of this thread, I shouldn't be contributing serious discussion to this dumpster fire.

p.s. what video did you see, there was no recording of a fight or the cop going to the ground....

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Apr 30, 2017

Where where you when I was a kid. Love the excuse game.

Guys going to jail, but let's not pretend like he executed an innocent guy. The criminal places him in this situation. Had he simply not run, or simply not fought the cop, things would be different. I care less about whites or blacks that fight cops and get shot.

Btw - all these cities are liberal run, most with minority mayors, councilmen, police chiefs. Somehow it's racism. Half the cops with Freddy Grey where black.

It's cops getting tired of endless criminality and lashing out. Frankly, I don't know why my tax dollars go to police Mogadishu. Cops should be used to keep tax paying citizens safe.

May 2, 2017

Who cares if the criminal ran or if the dude was a criminal? He shot a guy running away in the back. There really isn't an excuse for this. If a guy robbed your house and he was on the street running away and you shot him in the back you'd be promptly charged with murder. Officers have more training and should be more level headed than the average citizen yet somehow the standard for prosecution in these situations is LOWER for them. I mean what are we talking about here? Because the guy ran and wasn't innocent he deserved to be shot in the back? Assume he fought and the cop was concerned for his life AT THE TIME of the fight, how can you make the same argument (that you're scared for your life) when the criminal is sprinting in the other direction? What does the politics or color of the mayors have to do with it? Those aren't the people on the ground actually enacting the oppression and discrimination. BTW, this isn't just a white police problem, it is a police culture problem. That culture comes from racism and Jim Crow, we all know it. In any case if you can't admit the simple fact that police oppress and discriminate against minorities then there isn't anything to talk about here. You either a.) don't give a fuck for whatever reason or b.) are unaware/ ignorant.

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Apr 30, 2017

Whatever. I just got a great El Salvadoran roast coffee.

He shouldn't have fired. That being said, the criminal put himself in that situation. A tear was not shed.

Jul 13, 2018

Please note, accepting fact(s) is one thing, accepting what you believe to be a fact is unreasonable. A "fact" is something that can not be denied. EX: The POTUS is Teump

AZBR

May 5, 2017

You are a complete f***ing moron. Should cops shoot at people for speeding? How about for smoking marijuana or doing cocaine? Are not the people that do these things also criminals? Have you or any of your friends ever done these things?

Seriously, your opinions are embicilic, as is your whiny conservative bullshit? Trump dragged REpublicans to the center? LOL. He didn't drag anyone anywhere except down towards open corruption.

Conservatives love to hold counter-factual views and then complain when liberals merely tell them their views are stupid

May 3, 2017

Sessions put klansmen to death and got a medal from the NAACP, also was praised by Coretta Scott King in a video.

Hillary Clinton called black people "super predators" and her mentor was Robert Byrd who was a KKK recruiter... why isn't she considered a racist?

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May 3, 2017

Why are you linking me that, doesn't that prove what I just said? Isn't that just a picture of the actual plaque he got lol?

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May 1, 2017

Read the article. The NAACP has no record of awarding Jeff Sessions any type of award. No other person has been given any similar award.

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May 3, 2017

Oh, so this is like one of those Snopes things where they say, believe what we say, but please do not believe what you can plainly see?

Here is another good example: http ://www.snopes. com/ orlando-shooter-was-democrat/

Snopes says the Orlando shooter Omar Mateen being a Democrat is a "mixture"

They literally put a picture of his voting registration... proving that he is a registered Democrat...

Was he not a Democrat-y enough for their defintion and subjective feelings, about an incontrovertible objective fact? Find out next time on this episode of Snopes lies to make money! (like every other "news" outlet and "fact checker")

EDIT: I'm not throwing MS at anyone in this thread btw, not sure who is doing it...

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May 2, 2017

lol wtf are you talking about Coretta Scott King wrote the letter that kept Sessions from getting a federal judge seat in 1986...

Dear Senator Thurmond:

I write to express my sincere opposition to the confirmation of Jefferson B. Sessions as a federal district court judge for the Southern District of Alabama. My professional and personal roots in Alabama are deep and lasting. Anyone who has used the power of his office as United States Attorney to intimidate and chill the free exercise of the ballot by citizens should not be elevated to our courts. Mr. Sessions has used the awesome powers of his office in a shabby attempt to intimidate and frighten elderly black voters

It continues but you get the gist

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May 3, 2017

Oh, I must be wrong. I thought this was a video of her thanking him. Maybe it was a different Jeff Sessions from Alabama? https ://www.youtube. com / watch?v=5xQznIj8g6U

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May 3, 2017

I also still don't understand how calling black people "super predators" is not considered racist? Why is it all swell that she was mentored by someone who was a KKK recruiter and used derogatory (read racist) language right up until the day he died?

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May 2, 2017

Can't kid ourselves. If you are extremely one sided, no matter the cause, you develop an emotional attachment. This when people just lose their willingness to become factually correct as well as upto date and ride their emotions on their stance....

Doesn't matter if you are extreme right or left sided, you will at some point become a danger the future of progression.

Apr 30, 2017

Fully agree, but when you have extreme members on the left calling anyone who disagrees with their opinions Hitler and therefore morally deserving of violence, you have a dangerous situation.

I mean we have college campuses resorting to violence to prevent people from speaking. This is reminiscent of brown shirts. The media has created this storm. Half of Trumps policies are standard Republican and the other have have been espoused by Kerry and other traditional Democrats. But now he's been classified as Hitler and anyone who voted for him, including blue collar former democrats are now fascists. Dangerous situation.

May 2, 2017
<span itemprop=name>TNA</span>:

Fully agree, but when you have extreme members on the left calling anyone who disagrees with their opinions Hitler and therefore morally deserving of violence, you have a dangerous situation.

And when you have people like the OP touting broad-based claims like liberalism is a mental disorder and that he hates liberals more than anything in the world, it's also a dangerous situation. Not to mention every other comment on fox news postings that threatens violence against liberals as well. It's clear on both sides and people need to get out of this mindset and realize that it's fundamentally impossible that one half of 300 million people represents all that is righteous and the other half all that is wrong.

Personally I thank 24 hour news.

Edit: I don't think everyone on either side thinks this way on such an even split, but a significant portion does, and they happen to be the ones making news on both ends and also the most vocal on social media etc.

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Apr 30, 2017

I agree that the news is to blame. The press has stopped informing and largely become the enemy of information.

That being said, ill be concerned with extreme right wing protestors start preventing liberals from speaking.

Actually, that's the next evolution and i fully expect it to happen.

May 4, 2017
<span itemprop=name>TNA</span>:

Fully agree, but when you have extreme members on the left calling anyone who disagrees with their opinions Hitler and therefore morally deserving of violence, you have a dangerous situation.

I mean we have college campuses resorting to violence to prevent people from speaking. This is reminiscent of brown shirts. The media has created this storm. Half of Trumps policies are standard Republican and the other have have been espoused by Kerry and other traditional Democrats. But now he's been classified as Hitler and anyone who voted for him, including blue collar former democrats are now fascists. Dangerous situation.

Anyone who doesn't want to sift through all of TNA's replies, I'll sum them up quite appropriately:

OP: Liberals are literally mentally retarded
X: Dogmatic partisanship is actually at fault here, let's not kid ourselves and say this only occurs in one party
Y: Guys guys guys. being extremely one sided no matter the party is dangerous and causes one to lose all hope in being factually correct
TNA: Could not agree more with both of you, *******BUT THE LEFT IS WORSE**********

This is literally in all of his replies. Acts like he's somewhat agreeing, but is such a weak, insecure little bitch that he needs to add in a jab to the left in every single one of replies. Ironically, it appears that he is actually the one out of every poster here who has been the most affected by the media. I have never seen that level of emotional attachment to one party by someone who didn't get endlessly absorbed into selective media sources themselves.

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Dec 27, 2017
onemanwolfpack:

Fox/right wing media and MSNBC/left wing media do a good job of highlighting the far extreme of the opposition party's viewpoints, and presenting this as the centrist mainstream view to rile up their followers. Not all liberals are flag-burning safe-space college professors, and not all conservatives are alt-right racist, Nazi-worshiping Breitbart readers.

What is worthy of further examination is the direction and viewpoints of the tens of millions of people in each party's core voting base. When 85% of Republicans support Trump's actions thus far, 43% of them believe Obama is Muslim, and Vladimir Putin receives higher favorability rankings than Obama from these same voters, I'd argue that the current mindset to the right of the aisle is far more dangerous to the future of the U.S.

Can you point to specific policies that have undermined the American constitutional republic? Yes, lot of Republicans say and believe stupid shit. Let's talk actual policies implemented by the Trump administration.

As for this whole Russia conspiracy nonsense, aside from the fact that there is no proof of collusion, Trump has expanded sanctions against Russia, launched air strikes on Assad's regime, and sent missiles to Ukraine. The notion that Trump is a Putin puppet and that our government has been hijacked by the Kremlin is liberal hysteria. It's fine to disagree with Trump's policies, but the notion that Trump represents an existential threat to our country is pretty laughable.

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May 1, 2017

OP, many thanks for hand picking the most representative examples you could find for social progressive issues. Really appreciate it, solid effort. Also if the choice is between not having a Chick-fil-A vs having people carry around bazookas in their bags (because the 10 commandments gives them the right) while waving the confederate flag and certain that global warming is something that happens in your oven, I think I'll just give up the fast food joint

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May 1, 2017

Yeah but you don't really hear of too many people carrying around bazookas while waving confederate flags.

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May 1, 2017

You literally just criticized someone for only giving extreme anectodal examples, and then countered his argument by offering even more extreme, ridiculous right-wing examples...only difference is that no one on the right is even advocating for most of those things.

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May 1, 2017

No, I stated that the example that he used was extreme and not realistic. I didn't introduce the idea of people carrying around bazookas into the discussion.

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Dec 27, 2017

I have a lot of buddies who study in California and hate it because of those liberals that go absolut mental when someone disagrees with their opinion.

Don't say this in a banking interview:

Which superhero would you be and why? I want to be like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - me.

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May 3, 2017

I don't think he meant that reply for you.

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May 1, 2017

Ah man, classic mix up.

May 3, 2017

Hey man can you link us to some instances of people waving confederate flags and/or carrying bazookas around campuses?

There seems to be many instances of radical lefties violently assaulting people.... There was even a stabbing that killed 1 and injured 2 at UT Austin in the past few days.

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May 5, 2017

There are countless examples of conservative idiots carrying guns around campus. In fact, they managed to make it legal to do so in the U Texas system last year. Until recently a bunch of conservative states were flying the Confederate flag (that of an enemy state born to perpetuate slavery) over their freakin' state houses. These are the same ppl that once claimed it was their rights not to go to school with blacks, and now claim it is their right not to serve gays. They're also the same clowns that blew up Oklahoma city and ... oh yeah ... started the Civil freakin' war

Examples of conservatives being violent, ridiculous, and generally shitty: ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY

May 3, 2017

Hey, so can you link the instances of people carrying confederate flags and bazookas around the campus like @Going Concern talked about? I'll be patiently waiting for your response :)

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May 3, 2017

Yeah, people should stop advocating for school segregation, you mean like Samantha Bee, right?

Doesn't NYC have the most segregated schools in the country, isn't that the liberal utopia? The south is far less segregated than NYC.

The worst segregation is in NYC and other urban liberal areas, it's almost like they just do it all for show and virtue signaling. Even John Oliver did a special on this.

It's just like with the refugees, liberals advocate for them to come here, JUST CAN'T LIVE WITH US OR IN OUR COMMUNITY. Obama placed them in red states for a reason, Democrats want to virtue signal, but in reality want nothing to do with them.

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May 7, 2017

Where can I buy a bazooka? Are they available at gun shows? Maybe they are next to the loopholes.

Dec 27, 2017
Going Concern:

OP, many thanks for hand picking the most representative examples you could find for social progressive issues. Really appreciate it, solid effort. Also if the choice is between not having a Chick-fil-A vs having people carry around bazookas in their bags (because the 10 commandments gives them the right) while waving the confederate flag and certain that global warming is something that happens in your oven, I think I'll just give up the fast food joint

Kudos for another really asinine comment. You never cease to amuse me.

May 1, 2017

Liberalism is the result of multiple failed philosophical movements including the enlightenment, Marxism, neo-Marxism and ultimately culminating with postmodernism and feminism. The movements were revolutions against the social institutions that built civilization and cultivated the progression of capitalism.

  1. The Enlightenment attempted to explain everything without reference to God but failed to do so. It was an attack on the church.
  2. Marxism and neo-Marxism attempted to create an economic system without the price mechanism and without money. It was an attack on property.
  3. Feminism attempted to redefine gender roles and to censor biology through shaming and ridicule. It was an attack on the family.
  4. Postmodernism is closely tied to both Marxism (at least today) and Feminism. It is their philosophical backbone and resulted from the failure of the Enlightenment. Aristotelian essentialism was replaced with global skepticism.

That's how we got to where we are and it's only going to get worse.

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May 2, 2017

"Only going to get worse". There's little I love more than the conservative idea that things are always 2 steps away from catastrophe. To quote an article from a while back:

https://markmanson.net/crazy-world
"At one point there was even a gigantic projection of the words, "Make America Safe Again" at the back of the stage.
Safe from what?"
Too much college education? From less teenage pregnancy? Seriously, I was dumbfounded -- safe from what? What the hell do we need to be made safe from?
Violent crime is at an all-time low, international wars are at an all-time low, there have been precipitous drops in domestic violence, steady declines in drunk driving-related deaths, death from infectious diseases and a rock-bottom child mortality rate. You're more likely to be killed by a piece of furniture than by a terrorist attack.""

We live in the richest, most technologically advanced nation ever to have existed, but apparently things have been "on the decline" for the past ~300 years. I do hear Colonial Williamsburg is looking for more actors. Should be a nice fit for you.

May 3, 2017

Maybe he meant safe from an influx of crime that importing refugees could cause, and Hillary obviously wanted to keep bringing in refugees. Crime rates in Sweden have risen 50% since they began their migrant influx. You can look up the crime statistics here: Bra.se

There are lots of other problems that Europe is having that America currently isn't, maybe he wants to keep us safe from those completely unnecessary risks...

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May 2, 2017

Always the obsession with the downsides. I'm constantly surprised conservatives can even function considering how terrified they are of the world. Around every corner is a mugger or terrorist and it seems no amount of data can convince them otherwise. Anything 'different' is automatically bad. I really do wonder how the modern anti-immigrant conservatives would have reacted to taking in Jews during WWII. I have a very strong suspicion it wouldn't be very different from their current reaction to Syrian refugees. That's just from a moral standpoint - completely ignoring the massive economic advantages the US has reaped (and continues to reap) from our relatively open immigration policy. You can find ~2 conservative economists (or economists in general) who disagree with that statement.

May 3, 2017

Being safe from a huge rise in crime is a downside, how? Please inform me on how not increasing violent crime is a bad thing.

If you really think that not having a massive spike in violent crime is a bad thing, then I really don't think there is any reason for us to have a discussion...

Oh I googled the name Mark Manson, good thing he's a "self-help" coach because you might really need it.

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May 1, 2017

My post has to do with the history of liberalism, which isn't in dispute. I'm explaining to you where liberal ideas come from. What it draws from, philosophically (I can do the same for conservatism, if you like). It had nothing to do with any of the things you're discussing. When I said, "things are going to get worse," i was referring to the current state of discourse and to social conditions. I'm well aware of how resilient the capitalist system is and how dynamic (for now) our medical system is. This happens in spite of liberalism, which aims to tear them down.

Further, many of the items you raise are irrelevant or simply wrong. For example, college education is in no way indicative of a successful society. The USSR had the highest PhD per capita right before its collapse. You talk about international war. There's a marauding caliphate rampaging through the middle east, a lunatic in North Korea with nuclear weapons and a serious crisis with Russia. You can paint a rosy picture if you like, but there's one statistic that really sums things up nicely: depression is at an all-time high.

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May 2, 2017

Your list of wars is a classic case of saliency bias. You hear about these things in the news all the time and so you never stop to think of them in a larger context. There are ALWAYS conflicts going on around the world. However, there are far less deadly now than they have been. Yes, ISIS is bad. Is the death toll even in the ballpark of the Iran-Iraq war? Not even close. Russia+North Korea, not ideal. In any way comparable to the 50-year Cold War? No. When was the last time you got under your desk for a nuclear attack drill?

Apr 30, 2017

This isn't accurate. You're comparing controlled, nation state wars with stateless global terrorism. How many people outside Iran and Iraq died in that war? How many died randomly and not from directl battles or military responses?

Isis is an issue because of their tactics and global attacks.

North Korea is an issue because they are slowly progressing towards a solid state rocket which is harder to detect than one that needs to be fueled before launch.

May 2, 2017

I repeat my point: you are more likely to be killed by falling furniture in the US than by a terrorist attack. I'm sure I could find many other innocuous causes of death (bee stings, accidental poisoning) that far outweigh terrorism. A death is a death - a lot of that money would be far more effective at preventing deaths were it spent elsewhere.

May 2, 2017

you're more likely to choke yourself putting your shirt on before work than be a victim of terrorism

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Apr 30, 2017

Always love this bulkshit excuse. We can't prevent one thing, but can the other.

Your analogy supports not living in utter fear. It doesn't support a policy of doing nothing. Learn the difference.

May 2, 2017

I don't recommend instituting policy out of fear, especially out of irrational fear. A Muslim ban would be just that.

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May 2, 2017

Other far more prevalent, preventable causes of death that could use that money: car crashes (invest in car safety features), cancer, AIDS, heart disease, gun deaths (works on terrorism too). We allocate so much money to terrorism prevention out of pure, irrational fear (stoked in large part by the media), not a sober review of where it would do the most good.

Apr 30, 2017

Falling couches cannot be prevented or reduced. Islamic terrorism can. I'm more likely to die by slipping in the shower than dying in a plane crash, that doesn't mean we don't have commen sense security and precautions.

And terrorism has been increasing because of the simplicity and ease of mass killing. It's a real problem and has increased since the fall of Iraq.

And NK is a real issue that has gradually been increasing. I remember when they tested their first nuclear bomb. Now they have multiple warheads. This isn't a trivial issue.

May 2, 2017

Dood stop talking sense, we are on the cusp of global implosion. The liberals are the next Nazis. God fearing Christians are going to be round up and strung up. We'll be forced to worship gays and transsexuals. The blacks will overrun our cities with crime, our daughters will not be safe. We'll be forced to speak Spanish because so many Mexicans. Muslims will infiltrate every corner of society and enact sharia law. Everyone will get handouts and be on welfare. We are so fucked.

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Apr 30, 2017

Wounderful satire. You mock the right, yet the left is the one rioting because a NYC liberal was elected President. The left is the one pretending the Putin owns the Presidency. And North Korea is dangerously close to having a solid state rocket.

As for Islam, one only needs to look at the issue Europe is having to see what could be our future .

But please return to joking when there are real geopolitical issues going on. I think you're missing CNN Live.

May 2, 2017

Lol "NYC liberal"... except he has been pretty much a cookie cutter republican since entering office. What are these riots you keep referring to? I mean you would think cities are being burnt to the ground the amount of times you refer to riots. The FBI is investigating Putin's relation to the election, are they the left and are they pretending? North Korea is an annoyance and nothing more. Europe seems to be doing just fine, a random guy driving his truck into a crowd notwithstanding. They should probably worry more about the growing nationalism and racism than Islam. Also, they should probably evaluate their economic policies as they are doing way more damage than ISIS could possibly inflict.

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Apr 30, 2017

Hmm. Let's see. What's gone on at Berkeley. The May Day protests and resulting damage. Portland had 3 days of rioting. On the inauguration there was destruction.

Of course, your rebuttal will be regarding the voracity of the violence. As if it's only a REAL riot if it lasts for weeks and buildings get torn down.

Sorry, but anti trump riots and protests have led to destruction and violence.

And Trumps been a standard republican, except when he's adopting standard Democrat policies. Both of which don't deserve the level of protesting or 24/7 negative news.

Love how you dismiss the terrorist attacks as if it hasn't happened continually and repeatedly.

In 2016, 134 people were killed in Europe from terrorism and another 868 were injured. Hardly a small number.

Try harder next time. The information is there. You simply need to do the work.

May 2, 2017

134 dead/ 868 injured, how many million people are in Europe? How many Muslims live in Europe and what percentage of them engaged in such attacks? Given those numbers would you suggest not allowing Muslims into Europe and passing discriminatory laws like anti-burka laws? Curious about that. Dude, some idiots rioting is not all liberals rioting, cut the bullshit. Sports fans riot after championships too. You word it like an epidemic. The alarmism in society is getting ridiculous, especially around Islam and terrorism. I find myself telling some of my friends to stfu about the Trump alarmism. After all this is America, an idiot president can only do so much damage. Trump is a cookie cutter republican, for every "democratic" policy he's recommended (I can't even name any) there are 10 standard republican policies.

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Apr 30, 2017

Discussing anything with you is pointless because you're response is canned.

Sorry bro, but over 1k injured and dead is a real number. I'd prefer not wait until that number is 50k.

obama did plenty to destabilize this country. I suppose you're right that a fool can reall impact us.

You create a false requirement to prove a point. Never in history have All done anything. Not every Nazi worked in a concentration camp or killed people. Yet we condemn them as a group. Not every single liberal rioted, but these riots are populated by people who aren't conservative. So calling it liberals (plural, not everyone) rioting is factually correct.

And Europe can ban whatever they want. If they don't like it they can go back to the ME. When i travel to a Muslim country I respect their rules. Seems fair to do the same in the country that takes them in.

May 2, 2017

Fuck the middle east countries and their policies. Your suggestion is we devolve into their backwards bullshit? Smh. The United States and Europe are countries that champion freedom and you suggest we go back on that principle because Saudi Arabia stones people in public squares? Obama destabilized the country? How? I mean I get that we destabilized the ME with the Arab spring but I want some color on how he destabilized this country. Ok cool, you talk about liberal riots like they're common is my point. They are minor bullshit incidents blown up by the right to push their alarmist garbage. Trump's entire campaign down to his slogan was built on alarmism (we are the victims of the worst trade deals ever, we never win anymore blah blah blah) and morons fell for that garbage instead of evaluating actual policy. No one is arguing 1,000 isn't a real number, but should that drive policy? That's my question.

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May 6, 2017
<span itemprop=name>BobTheBaker</span>:

Fuck the middle east countries and their policies. Your suggestion is we devolve into their backwards bullshit? Smh. The United States and Europe are countries that champion freedom and you suggest we go back on that principle because Saudi Arabia stones people in public squares?

If you go to China, please speak out against Communism and tell the people how shitty their life has become because of it. If you go to Saudi Arabia, please tell the citizens there about how their monarchy is shit and has enriched themselves instead of their people. Oh, and when you go to any Muslim country, please do insult the customs of the majority religion there, which have been followed for thousands of years. When you go to Ireland, tell them how shitty the IRA were in fighting against the British forces in Northern Ireland. When you go to Britain, tell the same, vice-versa.

Looks like cultural respect is something you need to espouse first, BTB. You go to Russia, sure protest that Putin is a pseudo dictator. There will be a majority opposing you, but a sizeable minority supporting you to. But in the case of China and the Middle East, it was only because of their cruel autocratic policies that in fact enriched and uplifted the standard welfare of the average person. These policies were not formulated automatically - they were created and evolved over the millennia, including Chinese allegiance to a central authority composed of technocrats (similar to the emperor and his bureaucracy), or Saudi Arabian stratification of society (similar to hierarchies followed in Bedouin tribes). Had China continued under Chiang Kai-Shek, I'm sure the country would have devolved into a capitalist mess (and it had, under his rule), similar to modern America under Trump, where the rich get richer and the poor are driven to poverty. True, China has much to improve even now, but at least they have uplifted the lives of hundreds of millions of citizens through a fast-moving bureaucracy.

Same goes for Saudi Arabia. Had the country been a republic, I'm pretty sure Israel would have another bunch of enemies in the Gulf. It's the royal family keeping the populace under control. The fact that you haven't (and neither will) visit the country shows exactly what's wrong with core liberals - a failure to absorb ground realities and accept cultural norms, while instead imposing their own "morally superior" culture on the people of a foreign nation. That kind of mental thinking, coupled with stupid conservative paranoia, is what contributed to the Iraq war and the Afghan war. And this shows exactly the hypocritical mentality of liberals.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

May 2, 2017

You're an apologist. Defending despots and corrupt assholes. I don't have much else to say to you. The communist party and the Saudi royal family are leeches pandering to the worst of human instincts. They're fucking hypocrites. One espouses communism while getting themselves, their friends, and their kids filthy rich. One espouses religious fundamentalism while living like Dionysus, notorious for buying American whores. It's disgusting people defend this shit because the idiotic masses are well fed enough to follow this shit like mindless drones. At least in a democracy I'm free to shit on shitty politicians without worrying about being jailed and/ or murdered. Cultural acceptance? Those fuckers stone people in public squares. Fuck that shit, period. It's wrong regardless of culture, period. Basic human rights matter, period. If a culture decided it's okay to have sex with 9 yr. old girls should I accept that as well? Stupid
apologist bullshit argument. And it has nothing to do with liberal vs conservative you toolbox. Followed for thousands of fucking years, maybe that's why that shit is backwards, savage, and archaic? Smh. The Catholic church used to castrate choir boys so they could keep their singing voice, I'm sure if that remained in practice we should accept that cuz that would be "in practice for hundreds of years". That's essentially your argument: "the dumbasses accept their oppression and they've been doing this shit for so long why question it?" I hope you're smart enough to realize why this is line of thinking is idiotic.

May 6, 2017

OOOOOOH!!! A DUMBASS GOT FLARED UP.

My point is quite simple, though I fail to understand how it could penetrate your head.
The Saudis have an autocratic style of governance because of years of acceptance of such a form of governance among Bedouin tribes. If Saudi Arabia were indeed REPRESSIVE TO ITS OWN PEOPLE, tell me how many civil wars did the country have since inception? How many army coups? How many people protesting on the scale of Arab Spring? Also, regarding my last rhetorical question, would the US AKA Beacon of Democracy and Freedom, have come to the aid of the Saudi people had they started their own Arab Spring?

The Chinese have had an autocratic style central council older than Christianity. You're asking them to change that old a custom because of a fashionable political fad called "Demawh-krazy"? Not happening.

Now why do you think change to democracy is so slow in these places. Simple.
The Saudi nationals love their monarchy because their monarchy took away their freedoms, and instead gave them stability, healthcare, education, scholarships, insurance, generous stipends, benefits, free utilities, free housing (and we're talking villas here, not apartment blocks) - literally anything except actual jobs. Do the people there care for jobs? Not at all, hence their devolution to a somewhat hedonistic lifestyle. Middle class Saudis do not obviously live like the sheikhs, but they at least got the basic needs sorted out.

As for the Chinese scenario, the proles don't really care for benefits, as long as they've got a job that pays relatively better than the (relatively uncertain) field of agriculture. But no one is stopped from creating on there own and seizing the day - look at Jack Ma. Guy went from getting rejected at McD to becoming a billionaire. Why? Because he was at least given the environment to create. The people in China have readily traded off their freedom and democracy to get a decent living that's much better providing and comfortable. True, they have to work hard, but at least it's a sweatshop for $50 vs a farm for $10.

As for the abstract notions of "freedom" and "democracy", let me ask you this. Turkey is a democratic country. Erdogan is a democratically elected leader. Firstly, was his election legitimate? If we assume it was, second, are the Turks better off than the Saudis?

India is the largest democracy in the world. Has democracy given India the economic clout on the global stage to make it a global powerhouse? If your answer is yes (which is incorrect), why don't you see an Indian economy that's close to competitive with the Chinese economy?

Rwanda is a democracy. But was the FREEDOM TO LIVE given to the millions of Tutsi peoples in Rwanda? Or the other set of Hutu peoples who were killed in retaliation? Or why is it that Rwanda, a democracy with a successful economy, has a leader who has blatant human rights violations to his record?

Some of the American libtards I've met, including you BTB, have this retarded idea of applying democracy uniformly across the world, to preserve non-extant and irrelevant "human rights" while (trying to, unsuccessfully) dismantle millennium old cultural mores. It's like to trying to remove the idea of Jesus Christ and preaching Christianity. From what I've seen, most people cannot eat "freedom" and "human rights" for lunch or dinner, but they can use some cash and opportunity created by an autocratic government to do so. For an example of an autocracy gone dumb, there's DPRK which lets its own people starve.

And as for you calling me an apologist, look at the fart who's talking - read some of your other posts on immigration and refugees. And look who bought Russian whores for a premium golden shower (HINT:- It's your favorite ELECTED president of a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY). And look who's been advertising EB-5 visas to pander to rich Commies (Hint:- White boi special advisor to the ELECTED president of a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY). FREEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!! I'm guessing this kid ain't even travelled to many countries except the US, the rich countries in Western Europe, and maybe Mexico.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

May 2, 2017

1,000 people out of the 400 million in Europe is actually nothing. So small you could barely even find it on a "leading causes of death" list. Economics: the allocation of LIMITED resources to fulfill unlimited wants. Unlimited want: no one ever dies unnecessarily. We have a LIMITED amount of money to spend on preventing death (writ large). Spending 10% of it to prevent the .000001% of deaths from terrorism is about as dumb as it gets.

May 3, 2017

Hey is there a group actively making furniture to kill people, based on religion?

Oh wait there is no such group? Oh but there is a radical terrorist group that actively wants to kill all "infidels", yeah you are right let's definitely not worry about that.

Also why wouldn't you answer after you said that NOT having large increases in crime was a "downside"???

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May 2, 2017

?? Find where I said "not having large increases in crime" is a downside. Quote me. I just didn't respond to your remark. I would have written about everything being a balancing act (costs vs. benefits) but I doubt you would admit to there being any benefit to immigration or to saving refugees fleeing from a brutal war, so I didn't see any point in responding.

May 3, 2017

You did respond to me haha. It showed up as a notification, and here I will quote you.

Here is your exact, direct quote in response to my post about having large spikes in crime NOT being bad.

<span itemprop=name>Masterz57</span>:

Always the obsession with the downsides.

EDIT: I spelled something wrong..

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May 2, 2017

???? That's me saying that people like you always focus single-mindedly on the negatives of policy, not the positives. I said nothing about it not being a downside.

May 3, 2017

I'm not the one giving you MS. But how can you say "I said nothing about it being a downside."

You are literally quoted saying "Always the obsession with the downsides." How can you possibly say that you didn't say that? Are you living in a different reality? Did someone else log on your computer and type that?

Talking about a policy that would stop potential crime and save peoples lives, how can that be a downside?

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May 2, 2017

Read. My. Post. "I said nothing about it *NOT *being a downside". You claimed I said it wasn't a downside. I didn't say that. I said you are obsessed with the potential downsides. I have to imagine you're either dyslexic or just trolling.

It would potentially stop some crime and save some lives. Potentially (because in the US immigrants are actually LESS likely to commit crimes than natives). The reason I'm saying you focus so much on the downsides is that you can only focus on the fact that there might be some more crime as opposed to the upside of a) saving the lives of people fleeing from a brutal civil war and b) the general economic benefits that immigrants bring.

May 3, 2017

I directly quoted you saying. "Always with the downsides". Right after my statement of crime not increasing being a good thing....

How can you deny this? Would you like to to screenshot what I posted and what you posted? How can I get you to believe what you typed

EDIT: bad spelling again

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May 7, 2017

You may be on to something. The Amish make a lot of furniture. We need to stop those damn anabaptists!

May 3, 2017

Amish went for Trump apparently, maybe they are selling faulty furniture to Clinton and Sanders supporters. Or what I am seeing may be "fake news", but there seem to be a lot of pictures of Amish people holding Trump signs and stuff like that...

You're right though, we need to stop radical furniture producers.

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May 6, 2017

But how did she?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

May 1, 2017

Again, this really has nothing to do with my argument. Were the Napoleonic wars worse than our conflict with ISIS, in terms of casualties? Sure, but that doesn't mean that things aren't going to get worse from this point on. The ISIS conflict is horrifying, not because of the number of casualties, but because it represents complete socioeconomic regression and deterioration. It's a complete breakdown of civilization. Large sections of the Middle East are effectively in the dark ages. Again, you can paint a rosy picture about world peace, but the reality is that we're far from it.

The more fundamental point, again, is that this is not what I'm referring to when I talk about "things getting worse." You can have an economically successful society that is at the same time repressed (Nazi Germany?). You can have a failed society that is also peaceful (Cuba?). There is more to civilization beyond economic output and murder rates. Capitalism is doing a fantastic job when it comes to material prosperity, but failed liberal philosophy is doing an ever better job creating misery (record suicide/depression). And things are only going to get worse..

May 2, 2017

Linking record suicide/depression to "liberalism" is a big, big stretch. If suicide/depression is a proxy for misery, explain the fact that the "happiest countries in the world" lists are overwhelmingly dominated by the Western European democracies, all of which are FAR more liberal than the US. There's a stronger argument that the US' relative conservatism is driving that misery through a weak safety net, one which is failing to moderate the suffering of those at the bottom of society as the middle class evaporates and economic outcomes diverge. The misery you're discussing is concentrated in poor, rural areas which are being hollowed out by the increased concentration of jobs in urban areas and technological unemployment.

May 1, 2017

If suicide/depression is a proxy for misery, explain the fact that the "happiest countries in the world" lists are overwhelmingly dominated by the Western European democracies, all of which are FAR more liberal than the US.

I'm not going to press you on substantiating the assertion that Western European countries are "FAR more liberal than the US," though there's little evidence to support it. Fundamentally, they may claim to be happy, but their extensive use of antidepressants indicates otherwise. It may be the case that the happiest people on the planet are those that are most medicated, but that doesn't really support your position now does it?

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/10/iceland-tops-list-of...
The rest of your post is just blabbering. Try to substantiate claims with support.

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May 2, 2017

Are you arguing that the welfare states in Europe are not more generous than the US? That Europe is not more secular? That Europe tends to be far ahead of the US in terms of rights for women & homosexuals? If that's your assertion I can certainly bring support for the opposite.

So technological employment is "blabbering" - as is the idea that it's the people on the lowest rungs of the ladder that are driving your "misery" trend? I'm assuming you're leaning quite a bit on the Case/Deaton study. The major conclusion of that study was that it's whites without high school degrees (those lowest on the ladder) who are the major drivers of the trend (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/3/23/1...). The "deaths of despair" rate for people with a 4-year degrees has barely budged. To you that's a sign that liberalism is driving this issue, not economics?

May 1, 2017

Are you arguing that the welfare states in Europe are not more generous than the US? That Europe is not more secular? That Europe tends to be far ahead of the US in terms of rights for women & homosexuals? If that's your assertion I can certainly bring support for the opposite.

I invite you to do it.

So technological employment is "blabbering" - as is the idea that it's the people on the lowest rungs of the ladder that are driving your "misery" trend? I'm assuming you're leaning quite a bit on the Case/Deaton study. The major conclusion of that study was that it's whites without high school degrees (those lowest on the ladder) who are the major drivers of the trend (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/3/23/1...). The "deaths of despair" rate for people with a 4-year degrees has barely budged. To you that's a sign that liberalism is driving this issue, not economics?

Stop shifting goal posts. It doesn't impress me. A few points:

  1. You point to a single study. Are there others that dispute its conclusion? Which one is superior, and why?
  2. Whites without high school degrees aren't the lowest rung on the ladder; their immigrant/minority counterparts are. What's the suicide rate in the migrant American community?
  3. Poor white people today are better off than poor white people from the 90s. So why is their suicide rate continuing to climb?
  4. Why now are you only fixated on the suicide indication? How are people with 4-year degrees doing with depression (hint: not good)?

Your assertion was that times are great. They are not, as evidenced by record suicide/depression rate. You also claimed that Western European countries are extremely liberal (not substantiated) and are very happy. They are not, as evidenced by their record use of antidepressants. You would agree that happy people tend not to use antidepressants, right?

May 5, 2017

A serious crisis with Russia, whose president is now viewed broadly favorably by the 'conservative' party because he helped them elect their corrupt oligarch. GTFO with the nonsesne

May 3, 2017

Hey, is it ok when Obama interferes with French elections, directly and publicly trying to sway voters into voting for Macron?

Is it ok because he is a Democrat?

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Dec 27, 2017
Masterz57:

"Only going to get worse". There's little I love more than the conservative idea that things are always 2 steps away from catastrophe. To quote an article from a while back:

https://markmanson.net/crazy-world
"At one point there was even a gigantic projection of the words, "Make America Safe Again" at the back of the stage.
Safe from what?"
Too much college education? From less teenage pregnancy? Seriously, I was dumbfounded -- safe from what? What the hell do we need to be made safe from?
Violent crime is at an all-time low, international wars are at an all-time low, there have been precipitous drops in domestic violence, steady declines in drunk driving-related deaths, death from infectious diseases and a rock-bottom child mortality rate. You're more likely to be killed by a piece of furniture than by a terrorist attack.""

We live in the richest, most technologically advanced nation ever to have existed, but apparently things have been "on the decline" for the past ~300 years. I do hear Colonial Williamsburg is looking for more actors. Should be a nice fit for you.

I like Mark Manson but disagree with him. His reasoning is that a slogan such as "Make America Safe Again" is not relevant because judging by the CURRENT metrics, we are safe by historical standards. The whole point though of crime, immigration, and refugee policy, is to address not just current but also future threats, one that could be a problem in the future if unchecked. For example, on September 10, 2001, the vast majority of Americans did not think radical Islam was a threat to the United States. Just 24 hours later, there was a paradigm shift.

Dec 27, 2017
Rufus1234:
Masterz57:

"Only going to get worse". There's little I love more than the conservative idea that things are always 2 steps away from catastrophe. To quote an article from a while back:

https://markmanson.net/crazy-world
"At one point there was even a gigantic projection of the words, "Make America Safe Again" at the back of the stage.
Safe from what?"
Too much college education? From less teenage pregnancy? Seriously, I was dumbfounded -- safe from what? What the hell do we need to be made safe from?
Violent crime is at an all-time low, international wars are at an all-time low, there have been precipitous drops in domestic violence, steady declines in drunk driving-related deaths, death from infectious diseases and a rock-bottom child mortality rate. You're more likely to be killed by a piece of furniture than by a terrorist attack.""

We live in the richest, most technologically advanced nation ever to have existed, but apparently things have been "on the decline" for the past ~300 years. I do hear Colonial Williamsburg is looking for more actors. Should be a nice fit for you.

I like Mark Manson but disagree with him. His reasoning is that a slogan such as "Make America Safe Again" is not relevant because judging by the CURRENT metrics, we are safe by historical standards. The whole point though of national security, crime, immigration, and refugee policy, is to address not just current ones but also future threats, ones that could be a problem in the future if unchecked. For example, on September 10, 2001, the vast majority of Americans did not think radical Islam was a threat to the United States. Just 24 hours later, there was a paradigm shift.

Oops. Double post.

May 3, 2017

Don't drag the enlightenment through the mud. You seriously have a problem if you think marxism is a progression of enlightenment ideals. I mean ADAM SMITH was a enlightenment era figure, the grandfather of free market capitalism, and you're going to group the enlightenment with feminism and marxism? That's just sickening.

May 1, 2017

Let me try to help you out here.

On Economics:

The Marxian economic framework is a branch of anglo-classical economics. Marx's theory of surplus value (the fundamental pillar of his framework) is based on Smith's labor theory of value and is an extension of Ricardian theory of rent (extended to capital from land). In a literal sense, Marx is an extension of Smith, in the same way that Samuelson is an extension of Keynes. There is perhaps no economist more closely tied to Smith than Marx.

On Politics:

The Enlightenment spawned a political movement referred to as liberalism. The liberals were in opposition to the conservatives. The conservatives, at the time, believed in hereditary monarchies, the social caste system, varying degrees of serfdom and opposed free trade. Marx opposed conservatives on each of these issues. He was a liberal. Pro democracy, pro trade, anti class system.

On Philosophy:

I'll just refer you to a useful article, though I doubt you'll actually read it.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/smith-c...

May 4, 2017

You pretty much skipped over the entire portion of liberalism that gave us modern conservatism - I get it, I get it...the evil enlightenment and democracy ruined it all, etc.

But collectivism is the enemy you're looking for. You can have morality and liberty. In fact, they go hand in hand. Family, community, even religion can exist plenty fine, and in fact thrive within the original, classical & correct definition of liberalism. The modern definition is, of course, trash and a vacuous wasteland of emotion, cognitive dissonance and complete lack of any real principal.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."

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May 1, 2017

Comparing extreme liberalism with moderate conservatism or vice-versa is a false equivalency that way too many people buy into. That being said, extreme liberalism only benefits losers and also happens to be the only accepted extremism in the (extraordinarily low-paying) modern political journalism landscape.

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May 2, 2017

My teacher at school the other day asked the class what is the official term for transgender people and I said delusional... The amount of lefties I fired up at once was amazing. Anyway just look at respected and sensible guys like Dave Rubin calling out the left and changing sides.

Also the fact that Bernie Sanders had such a large following is genuinely scary.

RIP LEHMAN
RIP MONACOMONKEY
RIP THEACCOUNTING MAJOR

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Apr 30, 2017

You're literally Hitler. Gender is chosen in the morning before work. And we need free college so everyone can get a masters in cycloptic asian women's studies and then complain why they can't get a good job.

May 2, 2017

Are you happy you made your "point" in class?

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May 2, 2017

Why do you care if they are transgender, why not just say well I personally don't understand it but if a lot of people feel strongly about their identity this way I guess its true. Instead you feel as though someone's life choices are disgusting because they don't align with yours. Also, have fun with dealing with your gay kid because this shit always happens to people like you.

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May 8, 2017

dude, that's awesome if you really said that lol. wish I could've been a fly on that wall haha

Dec 27, 2017

This is gold hahaha.

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Don't say this in a banking interview:

Which superhero would you be and why? I want to be like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - me.

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May 2, 2017

This thread is the circle-jerk I thought it would be. carry on.

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May 3, 2017

A good way to make it not a "circle-jerk" would to be to attempt to refute people's points. Instead of calling them names :)

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May 2, 2017

just thought i would drop this and make this thread gold..... you are welcome wso

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May 1, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP-lpEOVcmY "DON'T CALL Breastfeeding Natural??" Tucker Tries To Reason With Crazy Feminist

Breastfeeding isn't natural for women
It's natural for men
She isn't sure of men can breastfeed
Breastfeeding isn't beautiful
The reason humanity survived is because we had alternative formulas (?)

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May 2, 2017

As somebody who considers himself a strong liberal, I'm embarrassed and ashamed of situations/people like these. It's kinda why, for the most part, I don't really get mad when conservatives call liberals "spineless" or "snowflakes."

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May 2, 2017

Coming from a liberal college campus, it is my view that a lot of the reasons behind Liberalism are well intentioned and correct, but are projected excessively and detrimentally to the cause. I call myself a liberal, in the name of rights for people of the LGBTQ community and the right for a women to choose. Who cares what lifestyle someone chooses to live and why would their marriage make yours feel any less real? I think the Kardashians 90 day wedding on TV is a strand on the institution of marriage in society, not the happy gay couple who just wants the legal rights associated with being together. Also, a women should have the right to make choices about her own body, and you can leave the moral consequences to her own choices to whatever religious figure you worship or the fact she will have to acknowledge she did terminate the life of her own child.

But, these are taken to the extremes on campus where I know kids who get massacred for having a Tequila party and almost kicked off campus. I employ some conservative friends or mine, and this forum to take into perspective the less crazy liberal way and not associate college kids with anyone who identifies as liberal.

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Dec 27, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKuMvDs8bR8&t=131s **
**Dove Soap Ad Features Transgender "Mom"

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/27/nyc-will-... **
**NYC will fine you up to 250,000$ for calling a transsexual he or she

Things like that do bother me, because society starts to accept people that are absolutely mental. It is not natural. Imagine if everyone is gay or wants to be a transgender? The human race would disappear. There is a reason why it's man and woman and not man & man or man & dog. Defending basic human rights from gay couples is one thing and totally fine, but all the transgender stuff is just crazy and goes too far. Those people need mental help. They simple lost their mind. It always starts small, but this is going in a direction that is really alarming.

Don't say this in a banking interview:

Which superhero would you be and why? I want to be like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - me.

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May 2, 2017

Respectfully, I disagree. However, in my opinion if someone wants to identify as a male but appears a female, I could literally care less. Honestly I never really meet these people because of my inner social group so it does not affect me at all or will ever. So, if someone wants to identify as something they don't appear, sweet, hopefully it makes you happy. People can identify as a cactus if they want why would I care.

Also, I think the human race will continue with people claiming to be transgender coming to light recently. Just my 2 cents.

Apr 30, 2017

No one cafes if someone identifies as whatever. People care when someone identifying as a bat gets enough support that forces everyone to respect being a bat and disagreeing with being a bat means you're Hitler.

The issue isn't personal choice. It's when someone makes a personal choice and gets some power to force everyone to accept that personal choice as perfectly normal.

Do I care if a woman gets fucked by a goat? No. Do I care if my niece is taught that goat fucking is normal and anyone who disagrees with goat fucking is hitler? Yes.

Dec 27, 2017
Pass the Mayo:

Respectfully, I disagree. However, in my opinion if someone wants to identify as a male but appears a female, I could literally care less. Honestly I never really meet these people because of my inner social group so it does not affect me at all or will ever. So, if someone wants to identify as something they don't appear, sweet, hopefully it makes you happy. People can identify as a cactus if they want why would I care.

Also, I think the human race will continue with people claiming to be transgender coming to light recently. Just my 2 cents.

The issue is not whether a man thinks he's a woman and acts and dresses like one, or vice-versa. As long as you're not hurting others or breaking the law, that's fine. The transgenderism movement is far more than that. They argue that transgenders are equivalent to male and female and that cultural and social institutions which relied on the binary gender classification for thousands of years, should transform themselves in order to accommodate their psychological state.

Let's think through the implications of what transgenders are demanding. A biological male who claims to be a female can join female sports leagues, attend all-women colleges, be eligible for women designated scholarships, etc. A biological female who claims to be a male can join a football team, male wrestling team, all-male army platoon, college fraternity, etc. This is not civil rights; it's a radical attempt by the Left to re-configure human society to satiate their perverse worldview. Transgenderism is a psychological state, pure and simple. They also suffer one of the highest suicide rates of any demographic group.

May 6, 2017
<span itemprop=name>Esuric</span>:

"DON'T CALL Breastfeeding Natural??" Tucker Tries To Reason With Crazy Feminist

Breastfeeding isn't natural for womenIt's natural for menShe isn't sure of men can breastfeedBreastfeeding isn't beautifulThe reason humanity survived is because we had alternative formulas (?)

Retards like this woman are why we should not let women think too much in gender studies programmes.

I find it hilarious when women do shit like this, then ask for equal pay, then criticize their peers who perform for actually performing, then hold up Kim Kardashian, Victoria Beckham and Gigi Hadid as role models.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

May 5, 2017

Congratulations. You found a dumb person who claims to be liberal. Carl Tucker, who is himself an idiot and a conservative, specializes in highlighting the dumbest 'liberals' he can find. Its hilarious watching him get smoked on the rare occasions he finds himself before a true expert

May 6, 2017

IKR. Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and O'Reilly employed the same strategy of choosing the most vocal, dumbest opponents they could interview. And for some damn reason, the proles love eating that kind of content.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

May 3, 2017

When has he ever found himself before a true expert, care to link?

I don't really like his show either... but he does have nice hair.

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May 2, 2017

On the subject of free speech, perhaps I'm misinformed, but I heard from within the Berkeley circle that Ann Coulter was never prevented from speaking. She was asked to move the date to a time when the preferred venue (for security reasons) would be available and she refused, but the media spun this as though the university is silencing her.

I'm also hearing that the majority of violent protesters aren't actually students at all. It's mostly nearby residents and to some extent a pro-anarchist group that tails these things.

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May 2, 2017

lol the title of this post

WSO's COO (Chief Operating Orangutan) | My Linkedin

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May 2, 2017

In which direction is this world heading? I don't think there is anything I hate more than Black people. What do you guys think causes this "trend"?

Do you guys face a lot of Black people at work? Are there a lot of them in IB and high finance?

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Dec 27, 2017

There is nothing wrong with black people, so I don't understand your "comparison". That's just another example that Liberals don't have any solid arguments when someone disagrees with them. Just silence them with calling them "Nazis" "Racists" or "Hitler". If a man "identifies" as a woman society wants you to consider it as completely "normal". It is disgraceful. Especially for people who have to explain that weird shit to their kids.

Don't say this in a banking interview:

Which superhero would you be and why? I want to be like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - me.

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May 5, 2017

So, the guy that was sued TWICE for refusing to rent to black people, has been quoted as saying "blacks are just lazy", among other things, and hired an AG that is dimantling policies meant to ensure equal protection under the law for minorities is the black savior.

The guy that strenghtened these policies did not care about black ppl.

Makes sense :-/

May 3, 2017

So the woman who called black people "super predators" and was mentored by a KKK recruiter, is not racist?

He was never sued it was his father, and it is not his fault for his parents actions... If I'm wrong just link me to the law suit...

I don't understand how you can delude yourself into thinking that someone who says inner city black kids are inferior as human beings is not making a racist statement.

Didn't Trump get the ellis island award with Rosa Parks and Muhammad Ali, are they racist too? Wasn't Mar-a-lago the first club of its type to allow everyone back in the 1990s?

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May 2, 2017

Your arguments don't follow any logic.

Your argument: posted 'Trump is the Jesus of the Black community' video
Counterargument: Trump refused to rent to Black people, "Blacks are just lazy," Jeff Sessions, etc
Your reply to the counterargument: is Hillary not racist?

Use your fucking brain.

May 3, 2017

Insulting me is not a refutation of any of the facts I presented. I never said anything about anyone being the "Jesus of the Black community." I have never watched that video, and did not post it.

Once again you are proving your ideas can't stand up to any scrutiny, all you can turn to are insults, censorship, and sometimes politically sponsored violence...

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May 5, 2017

Enough with the "super predators thing". Hillary certainly never said black people are super predators. Google the freaking video - she said there are kids who are gang members and broadly lacking in empathy: you could think of them as super predators. Some ppl (mostly liberal) siezed on that as racist, drawing the line between gangs, inner cities, black youth, etc. The reason it got so much traction is because of the mistaken view that Clinton's "tough on crime" laws were the driver of mass incarceration.

I happen to think the entire thing is bullshit, but at the very minimum its disingenous to say she called black people "superpredators"

Trump has a well documented history of racism: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/11...

May 3, 2017

Vox...? Are you being serious with that source? That is like linking me breitbart please don't embarass the people of this forum like that.

So you think inner city gang members who are black, aren't black? So she said it about black gang members, not black people? Gang members aren't people? Am I missing something here? I think they are just people who grow up in shit circumstances and have to do a lot of crappy things to survive...

Hey, are Rosa Parks or Muhammad Ali racist? They got the Ellis island award with Trump, surely they wouldn't accept that award with a racist, right?

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May 3, 2017

So instead of refuting anything I say, you just insult me or throw MS at me?

Are you going to insult me again or try to shut down speech/debate with "enough with what you want to say" "enough with your ideas" ?? I think refutation or at least an attempt at it would be a much better option for discourse...

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May 2, 2017

There is a great article by Jonahtan Haidt on this subject. He really breaks down the nature of the SJW movement, and how it is detrimental for not only the people on the other side of the issue, but for the SJW people themselves.

"Suffer today and live the rest of your life as a champion!"

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Dec 27, 2017

It seems I have upset someone here with this post. One single person searched all my posts on WSO and threw monkey shit at every single one within a minute, starting with this one here hahaha. Thank you very much for giving us a real life example on how liberals deal with different opinions. I hope you enjoyed stalking me and I feel sorry for you that you have nothing better to do. Now it's time for you to go back to your safe space lol.

Don't say this in a banking interview:

Which superhero would you be and why? I want to be like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - me.

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Apr 30, 2017

I also got monkey shit on my comment to this thread. I think it's the same person. I don't agree with you but I gave you +1 just because we need balance here man.

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May 3, 2017

The main reason why some liberals annoy me is that they maintain an air of holier-than-thou righteousness when they are products of what they condemn so often -- privilege. It's easy to present yourself as a champion of the weak when your parents pay for your college degree and you don't have to worry about paying the bills. I know this is a generalization, but most people with real struggles and problems are pouring their energy into surviving and supporting those they care about. They're not complaining about BS like politically correct language.

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May 3, 2017

Funny thing is: From the American point of view, whole Europe is liberal, even European right-wing politics. Europe is still doing (better than) okay and I won't ever exchange my place here for the US.

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Where in Europe are you from?

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German, but I live in Italy now

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May 3, 2017

Ah, I want to visit Italy really badly. I also want to visit Spain, any specific places in Europe you would recommend the most?

Have you heard of the Scala de Turchi in Italy? It is a like a white rock formation near the water that looks amazing.

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May 3, 2017

I don't know Spain at all. I have been only to Barcelona, which everybody will tell you is not Spain, but Catalonia, and it's totally worth it. It's an amazing city with many things to discover.

Scala dei Turchi is in Sicily and I have been there twice. It's verry beautiful. You need to be careful to not burn yourself because the sun reflects from the limestone. It looks like a stairway from the water and you can actually decent and swim in the water when the wind is calm. Otherwise there are waves that are dangerous.

Places in Europe to visit:

  1. Rome because everyhing ever done in modern Europe is based on the city and its story
  2. Paris because it just is modern Europe in its good and bad aspects
  3. Berlin if you want to see working multicultural life in a modern setting connected with recent historical events

These three cities are must see, beyond that it depends on you.

Summer vacation on the beach: Southern Italy (Apulia / Sicily) or Portugal because they are less touristic than Spain
Adventure vacation: Eastern Europe (Czech, Poland, Hungary) where everything is incredible cheap and nearly everything goes

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May 3, 2017

Thanks boss, threw a banana at you

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May 4, 2017

Oh man, a political thread on WSO...how can I resist....

First, I'd like to quickly point out that what we call "liberal" (or what some call liberal) here in 2017 is quite literally the opposite of. What the modern "progressive" left believes has nothing to do with the ideas laid forth in classical liberal political philosophy. Hayek, Mises, Rothbard would be absolutely appalled to see the word misused the way it's being misused today. Letting these people choose the language has had quite the detrimental effect. Now, "conservatism" has become national populism, and "libertarianism" has been infected with progs to the point that the modern "Libertarian Party" has nearly as little in common with classical liberalism/true libertarianism that they shouldn't be allowed to use the word. So, there is little left that truly means "Individual rights, personal responsibility, limited government, ethical morality" - we're left without a political party that espouses these beliefs.

America started to go down the toilet the moment they tossed out the articles of confederation. As soon as centralization & cronyism took over, this whole thing sort of had an expiration date stamped on it...that is, unless we can reverse what's been done. We don't have capitalism, nothing of the sort. We don't have limited government, nothing of the sort. We have to designate "free speech zones", for fuck's sake. We are so far away from the original intent of this country that it almost seems beyond saving. We're descending into a giant, angry mass of reactionary morons bludgeoning each other to death with ideology...and it was always going to end this way.

The problem starts with the education system. Until we get gov't out of the business of "educating" young minds, we won't see any of the major problems we have in society end. We need to cut back on safety nets, at all levels. We need to cut away massive swaths of the federal government, and many state governments could do with a similar treatment. I feel as if there is a small but growing number of people who feel this way. Question is, will that be enough? Who knows. Until then, all you can do is work your ass off to improve your life as much as you can for yourself. Then try to help those around you.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."

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