Mexico ---> illegally entering US ---> VP @ GS

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Surely I'm not the only one here who watches Tucker... Did anyone else see the girl he had on who was an illegal immigrant who became a VP at GS?

Comments (192)

Apr 21, 2017

This is the link.

The video

To be honest, it kind of proves that the american dream still exists. In the sense that people who want to work will get rewarded for it but at the same time it really bothers me that people who live in countries that don't border the U.S have to go through a long and arduous procedure which might not even succeed, most of the applicants being highly educated people who most likely want to emigrate to the U.S permanently.

Also didn't GS check the SSN? how does the SSN system work?

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Apr 21, 2017

Over a million SSN's were stolen between 2010 and 2014. The IRS does not tell anyone who has a stolen SSN that they know it was stolen. It could be as simple as her lying. Also, it could be that she wrote down a fake one and nobody checked. The background check could have returned nothing substantial to not signal her as being uneligible to work in the US. She could have also gotten an ITIN number, basically a social for illegals to pay their taxes. Basically, illegals get jobs everyday, why do you think GS would be any different?

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Apr 29, 2017

I hear lying to someone's face is a key skill in IB, maybe she's great at it

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Apr 21, 2017

You sir, take a ticket to the top!

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 29, 2017

It's not lying, per se. But it's funny. I was about to buy a car yesterday and this salesman/finance guy had this tick in his left eye when he spoke. People are interesting. The things you learn..

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Apr 24, 2017

GS actively looks for illegals, transgenders, and other minorities to hire.

Let me hear you say, this shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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Apr 25, 2017

What is wrong with hiring minorities?

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Apr 24, 2017
Name Of Profit:

This is the link.

The video

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p>To be honest, it kind of proves that the american dream still exists. In the sense that people who want to work will get rewarded for it

Not if you're black lol.

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Apr 21, 2017

How the hell did she even pass the background check?

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Apr 21, 2017

I fail to understand why she was being applaud. For starters she broke the law and blatantly disregarded our immigration process something hundreds of thousands of people have been through lawfully.

The fact that people view this as a positive is a slap in the face for everyone else who legally immigrates to the US and does exactly what she did...buckle down, work hard, and pay your taxes.

Pulling on heart strings because she had it tough in Mexico or whatever is bullshit. I fucking dodged bullets as a kid in a shitty country but unfortunately for my parents and I we couldn't swim 2,000+ goddamned miles to fucking get here.

Fuck people like her who think they should get special treatment and be allowed to break the laws that apply for the rest of us and fuck Goldman Sachs...if I were in the government I'd deport her and fine the shit out of GS but they probably don't give two shits either ways.

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Apr 21, 2017

Bingo. Also, the people who applaude this must be backwoods hillbillys who have no Chinese or Indian friends. I've seen first hand friends of mine not be able to find jobs because they required a Visa, including one friend who eventually went back to Europe because he couldn't get work.

Sadly, they don't vote Democrat so there is no outcry when they can't just stay in a country. But it's cool cause Mexicans can just walk across the border and have la raza advocated for non citizens to vote.

Apr 21, 2017

Seconded. For Asians, the process to get an H1B is onerous at best, dangerous for the US on the long run (due to reverse brain drain).

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 21, 2017

I agree if she wasn't a dreamer, but this the only country she knowns and understands. I fully support deporting her parents, but she didn't do anything besides being a ten year old who was forced by her parents to come to a new country.

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Apr 24, 2017
RonSwanson123:

I agree if she wasn't a dreamer, but this the only country she knowns and understands. I fully support deporting her parents, but she didn't do anything besides being a ten year old who was forced by her parents to come to a new country.

I don't understand the argument for not deporting "dreamers." They aren't being "punished" for what their parents did. They are being sent back to their home country, at which point they can go through the legal channels to seek legal immigration. In what way does their age or how they came make any difference?

Apr 24, 2017

Lol except they may have no relation or familiarity with their "home country". Some dude who came here at 5 and is in HS no longer thinks of Mexico as their home country and even if they do they don't really know anything but living in the US. Uprooting their entire lives is most definitely a punishment no matter how you want to spin it.

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Apr 24, 2017
BobTheBaker:

Lol except they may have no relation or familiarity with their "home country". Some dude who came here at 5 and is in HS no longer thinks of Mexico as their home country and even if they do they don't really know anything but living in the US. Uprooting their entire lives is most definitely a punishment no matter how you want to spin it.

So, what is the age cutoff? 5? 11? 16? Most first generation Hispanic immigrants I know speak fluent Spanish and have plenty of connections to their homeland.

Apr 21, 2017

Because they are home countries aren't their homes. You may try to deny it, but it is punishment to put someone in a land where they have no connection to the country, culture, economy, language, or education system.

No one is saying that we should grant them automatic amnesty (like Reagan did) but we should build a path to citizenship for those who were brought in by their parents and have no connection to their 'homeland'.

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Apr 21, 2017

The dreamer concept is bullshit. She knew what she was doing was wrong. I knew somebody who found out he was illegal at 18, was brought over as an infant - the shining example of a dreamer. He wanted to be an American, so he moved back to Mexico and did it right. I have tudored refugees to help them become Americans and am married to an immigrant and they all did it legally. There is no reason why any illegals should be given any slack.

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Apr 24, 2017

I can think of a reason: they were children and had no say in being illegal just as I had no say in my parents coming here legally. I did nothing to become a citizen just as they did nothing to become illegal immigrants. I applaud the strength and determination of your friend but people should also be allowed to be avg (aka not strong and determined).

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Apr 21, 2017

I get why people shed a tear for all of the 'dreamers', however, as adults they should recognize that if they do want to be here they should utilize the proper channels. By not doing so they are actively and knowledgeably breaking the law - the punishment being deportation. Personally, I think Mexicans in particular should be able to claim refugee status, but that is not up to me. I have another acquaintance who was married to an American that was deported and his wife followed, leaving behind her family, her country and having to learn a new language. I fail to see why it should be any different for someone who is knowingly breaking the law.

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Apr 24, 2017

@TNA your based dude. It makes sense why you have haters. They want to BE you.

Let me hear you say, this shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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Jun 21, 2017

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Apr 21, 2017

The problem with this is that enabling her to stay and eventually gain legal status DOES NOT address the crux of the issue. Hispanics hope, wait, and pray for amnesty and since our government has provided it before they have an incentive to cross over and A.) Have kids in the US to use as an anchor or B.) Stay in the US for as long as you can and then argue that your American enough and don't deserve to be shipped back to the US.

Not saying you're the one to do this but people can MS this all they want but America needs to grow a fucking spine. Our softness for illegals is going to bite us in the ass one day (probably has in some instances).

In other countries Mexico included they treat illegals a hell of a lot worse. Try sneaking into Pakistan, Iran, or some South American countries and you'll taste some lead.

Going back to the original point, this VP from GS is a slap in the face to all of us who waited patiently (context: took me 20 years to become a US Citizen) and spent an absurd amount of money on legal fees and lost wages trying to get through the process.

GS for hiring her is just as bad because a storied institution is basically disregarding the laws in this country. So a small business can be shut down and prosecuted for failure to eVerify and hiring illegals but GS gets a pass?

To make it worse it suggests that GS is incompetent when it comes to hiring or purposefully complacent. Extensive background checks and vetting for others but illegals like her fly under the radar?

Hell of a double standard if you ask me!

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Apr 21, 2017

Sadly, Indians and Chinese aren't look at as slave labor for farms or blind democrat voting blocks and therefore get screwed.

Every dollar that is spent on an illegal is a dollar that could go to a poor American. How Democrats can support a policy that disproportionately hurts poor minority's is beyond me.

Apr 21, 2017

@TNA only reason they do this is because the Democrats want to build a future voter base. Push for amnesty when in power and gain the ever growing favor of the rapidly growing Hispanic population and you've secured a long Democrat controlled government.

Jul 31, 2018

ugh so you are saying that democrats are purposefully ignoring the needs of American citizens, and chose to service the needs of illegals because they want votes. I am not a genius or anything but that doesn't seem right.

Apr 29, 2017
TNA:

Sadly, Indians and Chinese aren't look at as slave labor for farms or blind democrat voting blocks and therefore get screwed.

Every dollar that is spent on an illegal is a dollar that could go to a poor American. How Democrats can support a policy that disproportionately hurts poor minority's is beyond me.

Agreed. But chances are they've never heard an opposing point of view..

Apr 21, 2017

I always love how quickly the left's bleeding heart platform breaks down to a pure economics "lettuce will be $20/head if there aren't Mexicans to pick it?!".

Illegal immigration is a 1) wage depressor; 2) technology/automation inhibitor; and 3) a drain on resources for low income schools. Considering that 1 and 3 predominately negatively impact the prime Democrat voter, supporting this policy is a pure slap in the face.

Like I 100% understand why Republicans slow roll additional punishment for businesses that hire illegals. It is evil, but Republicans are basically evil. But Dems are a whole other level of twisted. Talking about the rights of poor workers and blacks, while supporting a policy that absolutely fucks them, it just dastardly.

I'd make a proposition to all the states and cities and basically say this. Dreamers can stay, anyone with a criminal record goes and anything who has been here for 5 years or more needs to register and begin their path to citizenship. Pay a fine, whatever. In exchange for this generous policy, all cities and states my stop issuing any form of ID to non-citizens, stop paying for any public service to non-citizens, etc. You cannot rent unless you are a citizen or get a proper form. Etc. The laws need to be strictly enforced.

With that, you will not need a wall, because there will be no way to functionally exist in the US without documentation. People will naturally leave. Alabama did something similar and people just left.

What will happen?

  • Produce will cost more in the short term. Farmers will be forced to automate or shift to different crops and we can just import the ones that can't be automated.
  • Construction, manual labor, restaurants, will all have to increase wages to attract US workers.
  • Schools, emergency rooms, public assistance, etc will all see additional resources to be used to help citizens.

Life will go on as normal and that will be that.

Apr 24, 2017
Teller:

I think you might have misunderstood her story. She came to the U.S. against her own will as a child because her parents crossed the border illegally.>

If it was without her will or consent that she came to the U.S. then send her back.

Apr 21, 2017

She was brought here as a child at age 11.

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Apr 22, 2017

Lol, I truly don't understand people like this. Many times, the difference between a legal and an illegal immigrant is just the result of a lottery. If you don't win the lottery, you're shit out of luck. I don't know about you, but I don't like to chance my success on mere luck. Would you have preferred her to come into the US with a visitor VISA and deceptively marry a USC merely to become a resident->citizen? There are many desperate guys out there who would settle down with any women that gives them the time of day. Is this way more respectable than risking your livelihood for a chance at a better life? It's legal, after all. And legal is good. Illegal is bad.

Either way, it was not this woman's choice to be brought to the US. Her parents brought her here before she could understand the ramifications of her emigration. Once she was old enough to understand, the US was already her home. Should she pay for the "crimes" of her parents by being sent to, what is to her, a foreign country?

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Apr 21, 2017

Life's a lottery. Being born in the developed world is dependent 100% on luck.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 21, 2017

Same as being born within walking distance of the US. I'm sure Haitians are jealous of Mexicans.

Apr 21, 2017

Seconded. As a college kid, I wished to be within walking distance of the EU or the US, just because you could easily search for work, as long as you're talented/ skilled enough for a firm. Most HS kids here discount that privilege.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 22, 2017

I agree but I don't see how your point relates to my comment. Everything in life has luck factored in it since we never have control of everything.

Apr 21, 2017

What I meant was being born in the US or Europe or some other developed country is a privilege that most kids on the site seem to discount. Instead they complain about not having IBD internships for summers. If they ever thought about it this way instead, they would at least learn to swallow their pride and go for any good summer experience instead of complaining about it.

Also, as TNA pointed out, Mexicans should stop complaining if the US plans on putting more barriers and stuff. It's the USA's wish, and if they want to waste billions of dollars and even put a good number of Americans outside the walls, they are free to do so on their borders. After all, Mexicans treat Haitians and Guatemalans the same way.

From a Central American perspective, it's a privilege to be born in Mexico. From a Middle Eastern perspective, it's a privilege to be born in Europe (or maybe not, if you are a Shaikh). From an African perspective, it's a privilege to be born Middle Eastern. From an Asian perspective, it's a privilege to be born African.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 26, 2017

Havent read something so true in a while.

Apr 21, 2017

Well, what can I say? I'm a left-wing conservative. Our opinions are molded by our life experiences, and when you think about it, most far-rightists and far-leftists have very few experiences to build upon.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

May 16, 2017

This is the truest thing ever said on this thread. You're dealt a hand, have your stats rolled by genetics, or whatever you want to call it, and you do the best you can within you[re circumstances.

How is my grammar? Drop me a note with any errors you see!

Apr 24, 2017

Yeah she cut the line - possibly taking the job from someone born here or who patiently waited for their chance (legally) to become a citizen.

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Apr 26, 2017

As a person who is here (in the US) legally and have been looking for a job for the past 6 months with no success, this story pisses me off. I also had to dodge bullets not a long time ago and had our building hit with several RPGs, yet I don't feel entitled to get special treatment. People need to grow up, take responsibly of their lives and stop feeling sorry for their unfortunate circumstances.

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Apr 29, 2017

Mic Drop

Apr 29, 2017

We have a quota system, and not one that necessarily distributes evenly or based in sound public policy. When those who wish to become citizens here have exhausted every other legal avenue, they should be above reproach. Your parents would have done the same.

May 14, 2017

Can't agree more

May 15, 2017

How can this comment have 10 MS? It basically says you shouldn't break the law, nothing wrong with that statement. So for those of you that throw monkey shit at this post, are you thinking those "poor" immigrants have the right to violate the american laws and you support/applaud them doing it? Whats wrong with you people? That's exactly the reason why we see a shift to the right wing in Europe/US. People are getting pissed by all this "tolerance" bullshit, it's just going too far when we come to the point where the media applaud illegal immigrants for breaking the fucking law. I'm from Europe and if I am going to the US for holiday and get a 30-day Visa and would stay 1 fucking day longer I would be in serious trouble. But when an immigrant comes illegally to the US, she gets a job at GS and is being interviewed like a "hero"/"role model" by CNN. Pathetic.

Don't say this in a banking interview:

Which superhero would you be and why? I want to be like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - me.

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Apr 21, 2017

"We need a way for people to enter the country looking for work legally".

LOL the leftists in the U.S. don't even listen to themselves anymore. What a mess.

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Apr 21, 2017

Leftists? Remember that Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegals, and Republicans (and Trump) agree that Dreamers should be protected.

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Apr 24, 2017
RonSwanson123:

Leftists? Remember that Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegals, and Republicans (and Trump) agree that Dreamers should be protected.

Reagan gave a one-time amnesty in exchange for Congress' promise to fix the illegal immigration promise in the future.

Apr 29, 2017

Just because a Politician does something idealogically wrong once - as a matter of real policy - doesn't mean the people who ideoligically want the wrong thing always -as a matter of moral principle - doesn't make the latter correct.

Also, Reagan was not the most conservative guy. Barry Goldwater, a primary opponent was much closer to a "true conservative". A corollay for Trump would perhaps be Ted Cruz.

Apr 21, 2017

Usually, by that, they mean they want the H1B caps to be increased - something that many Republican lawmakers oppose. They also mean that Dreamers should be granted amnesty and not thrown out.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 29, 2017

I'm not sure about that. I don't think that if I sneak a person or substance into another country in contrivance of that country's laws and then systematically hide from those laws because I don't like the circumstances of my birth (or more importantly in that situation, my child's birth, which was LARGELY my decision), that I should be granted indefinite leave to remain or amnesty due exclusively to my willingness to violate those fucking laws.

I don't get to keep the cocaine in my pocket when I cross a border illegally (and get caught). I don't get to keep the cocaine if I'm caught with it in the US. And before any of you dumb bastards harass me for equating a person with an illicit substance, please remember that the people brought here illegally are at no fault. But they remain here against the government's wishes. I once had to leave the UK against my wishes. If I had hid, produced children, taken a National Insurance Number (and lied about it) and then insisted that the UK government grant me leave to remain because I had CONSTANTLY VIOLATED THEIR FUCKING LAWS, I would have been laughed at (at best).

This argument is absurd. We don't live in a free-flowing world anymore. Our great advances in technology (almost entirely brought on from the West) in the last 50 years have scared the masses (the bottom 80% of people into populism and nativism. Keep pressing these ridiculous points, and see what happens you sad fools.

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Apr 21, 2017

Well it's clearly seen that you're a poor mess of a Director. God save your analysts from your mindless tirades.

Why don't you bother going down below and reading my comments on this issue, you old fart?

As for why I feel the current set of Dreamers should receive citizenship, it's because these guys do not have much of a place to go to, considering how much many of them have been accustomed to US life. Moreover, we subsidized their healthcare, their insurance, their education, the final thing we can do now is at least grant residency (not citizenship, not yet) at a far lesser cost for those who have been invested in, while not letting future dreamers stay here.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 29, 2017

Senior Quattrone, the VAST majority of ALL people who live on this planet live less well than you do. Perhaps one day we can live in a world where the free movement of people is possible because we are all global citizens, and the movement of greater or lesser people from one country to another doesn't place an undue burden on either nation. We do not yet live in that state. We never have. There have always been costs associated with migration. And we now live in a world so upended by technological and economic perturbations that we're forced to sacrifice the needs of the sadder sons of sadder nations to preserve our own nation.

Let me be clear--what you propose is either the free movement of people around the planet (which has always resulted in war and strife) or the flaunting of national borders and the laws of those lands. If you don't believe in sovereignty, I commend your idealism. When.the.fuck.has.that.ever.worked? Or are you just hoping for the first instance in human history that people are so affluent and so giving that they accept members from outside their tribe en masse into their land without violence, service, sadistic intent or retribution?

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Apr 21, 2017

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WHERE THE FUCK DO I MENTION I SUPPORT FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE? OR FLAUNTING RULES? What a retard.
Go away. Disappear.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 29, 2017

I obviously didn't read any of your responses aside from the one to which I originally responded . I still haven't. Nothing you say compels me to do anything but taunt you. In that vein, your retort is nonsensical, you Lilliputian lick-nut.

Is that a state school education I'm sensing in you, Quattrone? The force is strong in you.

Apr 21, 2017

I'm surprised a Director has the time and energy to troll around. Wifey spending more time with her gym tutor than you, I s'ppose?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 29, 2017

Thank you, Franky, for assuming I'm male, straight, married and being cheated upon. Perhaps you were schooled by a single lesbian who lovingly scissored her mistress this evening?

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Apr 21, 2017

It's a free country. I don't really think about the sexual preferences of my teachers, or anybody else for that matter. As for my assumptions, well, 40 years of banking have taught me that assumptions usually go wrong.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 29, 2017

I don't hide behind another man's pedestal-invoking image to make my case or elevate my point. I have dealt with Frank Quattrone. He speaks like me. He argues like me. He thinks like me. That's why he wins, and why I know you're a child. I'd absolutely love for Frank to beat down my thoughts with his superior intellect. But it doesn't exist. There are old, rich men that have done smart things, but Frank Quattrone is a forgettable name in that list. My thesis advisor at Cambridge was a similar man. He overestimated his ability by virtue of the fact that he happened to fall on a wonderful idea (which wasn't even his) before you fools imagined its existence: private equity.

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Apr 21, 2017

I'd absolutely love for Frank to beat down my thoughts with his superior intellect.

So why not? Go ahead. I'm sure if you've dealt with him, he'll be willing to spare some time for you. You're just wasting your time, while giving me a hearty Saturday morning.
As for your thesis advisor, what should I say? Sad?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 29, 2017

To be clear, directors have a GREAT deal more time than analysts and associates. I haven't updated my title in some time. And I am drunkenly harassing you. I'm not even sure I believe half the things I say. I suppose the better question is why you're responding at 3:15am ET as a young man with so much extra-chromosome sperm to give.

Apr 21, 2017

Ummm......because I'm across the pond?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 29, 2017

Oh, Quattrone, you ignorant slut. I am nearly a full bottle of bourbon into this argument, and I still write better than you. I lament your public school education 'across the pond'. That said, NO ONE IN ENGLAND OR AMERICA THAT HAS ANY BREEDING OR INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE SAYS THAT, you fucking fool. And I am American. My father was a 1-star in the US Navy. I went to England because I won a great deal of scholarships to allow me to attend the London School of Economics and Cambridge. I wrote for The Economist when I was 21. When I talk shit to you (even while inebriated), either put up a good fight or punch yourself in the dick. I think the latter would have swayed more people to your cause this evening than your words. Your words slap a man like limp noodles.

But I don't have to tell you about limp noodles.

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Apr 21, 2017

Oooh, is that the state school education I see coursing down your veins?
For the record, it was Wharton ugrad and Stanford MBA. Now go to sleep and rest assured that Papa Frank is there to plug your wife, that harlot. Imho, that's an honor in itself.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 29, 2017

But Franky, I'm tongue-punching your wife as we speak. Perhaps we have swapped for the evening? I'm fine with it as your Italian Curse won't touch the sides. My Hebrew Hammer has plowed too wide a tract in both our women. I've left Denise face down in ecstasy in your bed. Perhaps you'll recognize the look from the moment your mother walked in on you touching yourself?

Apr 29, 2017

You remember, right? Fifth grade--happiest day of your life?

Apr 21, 2017

You sound like you've been screwed over by me before....
Meg Whitman playing a dude? Or Wasserman?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 21, 2017

But hey! You're in NY, Denise's in the Bay Area.
Oh, you're sleeping again, having those sexual fantasies?!! Wake up, you little shit and get back to work. Prepare those filings for your $1m capitalization business.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 29, 2017

This is total horseshit.

Apr 21, 2017

Bear popped out of nowhere. I had to do what I had to do on a lazy Saturday morning. :)

From what I know, he keeps having these drunken tirades from time to time. Imho, somebody gonna lose their job real soon...

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 21, 2017

I am Indian-American whose parents struggled to come into America and I feel that illegal immigrants who came into this country should be deported.

BUT I don't understand movement to deport DREAMERS who are brought into this country as children. This is the only country they know, and it would be cruel and inhumane to deport someone who only know this country and have no experience or knowledge of their home country. They didn't choose to come here, and shouldn't be forced to leave their home.

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Apr 29, 2017
<span itemprop=name>jackdonaghy26</span>:

I am Indian-American whose parents struggled to come into America and I feel that illegal immigrants who came into this country should be deported.

BUT I don't understand movement to deport DREAMERS who are brought into this country as children. This is the only country they know, and it would be cruel and inhumane to deport someone who only know this country and have no experience or knowledge of their home country. They didn't choose to come here, and shouldn't be forced to leave their home.

Few came over as babies, "dreamers" come here up into their 20s. Many come in middle school to be set up to enter prime U.S. high schools. A large % of dreamers lie about their age. And another large % of them are Mexican middle class who flew over on travel visas with full intention of scamming the system. Once they get daca they get to tap all welfare benefits, free school, free college. They're parasite invaders.

Apr 21, 2017
  1. DREAMERS are people who entered this country below the age of 16 and are under the age of 31 by 2012. You may be confused with many who are above 16 currently but were below 16 when they first arrived.
  2. Can you show me any legitimate study that shows that a large % of DREAMERs lies about their age. Besides some Breitbart nonsense (with no supporting) data, I couldn't find a single news source that shows significant fraud in DACA.
  3. You are confusing the overall population that arrive with travel visas with Mexicans. The primary people who overstay their work or travel visas are Indian-Americans or Chinese Americans, and most leave voluntary. You are again confusing two different statistics to create a statement that is plain wrong.
  4. Immigrants are not parasites and that has been statistically proven. Koch founded and conservative CATO institute found that poor immigrants use welfare and public benefits less often then poor natives. So your belief that a class of people in our country are leeches is dead wrong.
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Apr 21, 2017

Her way of debating her case make me question her ability to perform. How the hell did someone like her become a VP at GS, unless of course, she played the minority card.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 29, 2017
<span itemprop=name>Frank Quattrone</span>:

Her way of debating her case make me question her ability to perform. How the hell did someone like her become a VP at GS, unless of course, she played the minority card.

A banker on live TV admitting to several examples of fraud. I don't understand how she's employable.

Apr 21, 2017

Because she's a deplorable minority.
My bigger question is how guys thought of picking HER up!

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 24, 2017

My dad didn't graduate middle school and came to the U.S. "LEGALLY" at the age of 24 with $25. Didn't know a hint of English. Look... I'm not trying to brag but now my parents live in $600K house with 3 cars and pay $15,000 on real estate tax a year! Now, this is the fucking American dream. I mean yes, they struggle time to time, as he has his own business, but do they avoid the tax system? No! And to think, I struggled to get through college and this illegal got a scholarship. Wow...

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Apr 21, 2017

Care to explain the quotes? How is that possible? I'm guessing you're Asian or Eastern EU.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 24, 2017

Care to explain what quote(s)? You mean the remark about my parents coming here legally?

Apr 21, 2017

Yeah

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 24, 2017

I don't understand... Are you asking how was it possible for my parents to come here, legally? Isn't that how the majority of immigrants come? Besides, they came here 25+ years ago. It was a lot more feasible back then.

Apr 21, 2017

Yeah, but why the quotes then? The capitalization would be enough lol.

By the way, how can anyone just go to the US with $25? Maybe it was easier back then.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 24, 2017

My dad didn't graduate middle school and came to the U.S. "LEGALLY" at the age of 24 with $25. Didn't know a hint of English. Look... I'm not trying to brag but now my parents live in $600K house with 3 cars and pay $15,000 on real estate tax a year! Now, this is the fucking American dream. I mean yes, they struggle time to time, as he has his own business, but do they avoid the tax system? No! And to think, I struggled to get through college and this illegal got a scholarship. Wow...

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Apr 24, 2017

Sorry for the double post -- there was a glitch.

Apr 24, 2017

Wtf are we talking about here? This chic came here as a kid and grew up here. Why are we even entertaining deporting this individual? Fact is she should probably already be a citizen. Not her fault her parents got here illegally. This is absurd.

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Apr 24, 2017

See, that's the problem with many people here in this country. "Not her fault"... Of course, it's not her fault. Regardless, she shouldn't be here along with her family. But the fact that she is flaunting like it was already her right to be here in the first place is what pisses me off. Listen, if you're illegal, regardless whether you came here as an infant or not, you shouldn't be here.

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Apr 24, 2017

Dude it definitely matters. Accidently killing someone is not the same as predetermined murder. When your parents bring you here, you grow up here, here is what you know, how the fuck does it make sense to send you back to Mexico? Ofc she "shouldn't be here" but she didn't make that decision. Since she is already here and made a life for herself here what sense does it make to deport her.

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Apr 24, 2017

So you know what this tells illegals, right? Come to U.S., live a secret life, bring your infant or have a baby, which he or she will be granted a U.S. Citizenship and they can gain citizenship, as well. It's a never ending process that needs to stop.

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Apr 24, 2017

We can discuss the never ending process all we want. Fact is a kid that comes here (let's say they come at 5 years old) and grows up here who has no experience or attachment to Mexico (maybe they don't even know Spanish) should not be deported as an adult because of the actions of others. It really is that simple. Punishing individuals for the actions of others is not something I support. Period.

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Apr 24, 2017

The problem with your statement is that you're putting too much emphasize on rights to individuals who doesn't have any in a Country that shouldn't be in, in the first place.

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Apr 24, 2017

I do not support punishing an individual for the actions of others. .

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Apr 24, 2017
BobTheBaker:

I do not support punishing an individual for the actions of others. .

You're not "punishing" anyone. "Dreamers" received all kinds of benefits--free American public education, for one--while they were here illegally that they would not have received in El Salvador. Sending them back isn't punishing them--they've already received so many benefits that they were not entitled to originally.

Apr 29, 2017
<span itemprop=name>Dances with Dachshunds</span>:

BobTheBaker:I do not support punishing an individual for the actions of others. .

You're not "punishing" anyone. "Dreamers" received all kinds of benefits--free American public education, for one--while they were here illegally that they would not have received in El Salvador. Sending them back isn't punishing them--they've already received so many benefits that they were not entitled to originally.

You realize dreamers get social security numbers, right? They immediately tap all welfare, housing benefit, medicaid ... notice all of them have braces on their teeth? Yup, our tax dollars paying for it.

Apr 28, 2017

It's as simple an analogy as this. If my parents rob a bank and put the money into my account should I be able to keep that money? It was against my will and I wasn't involved in the decision...right? Of course the money should be taken away. Just because I go and buy lunch with that money doesn't mean you can start protesting HOW CAN YOU TAKE SOMEONE'S FOOD AWAY?!

And the argument "this is all they know" is bs. Kids have to move all the time and make new friends, etc. People go on vacation to foreign countries and have a perfectly fine time "assimilating" ffs.

Apr 24, 2017

Yea man, taking money out of your bank account is totally the same as forcing you out of your home and throwing you into a country you may not have any connection with. Cool comparison. Moving from Houston to Orlando because your parents got a new job or for college or something like that is totally the same as moving from Houston to El Salvador. Cool comparison. Going to Thailand for vacation is totally the same thing as being forced to move to Thailand, possibly permanently. Cool comparison.

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Apr 28, 2017

Taking money out of one's account vs being forced out of one's home - are they not inherently the same thing? If I empty out your bank account you inevitably will be evicted from your house. We put US CITIZENS on the street because they are forced into bankruptcy from missing rent/mortgage payments.

Moving to El Salvador or Thailand what's wrong with that? You're saying there won't be great job opportunities for them there? Of course not which is why everyone wants to be in the US. Is the argument now then that they can't speak the language and will have to do unskilled work to get by? Yeah well life's tough. Plenty of Americans dont even have the choice between work and school because they are economically disadvantaged from the start. If you came to the US illegally and got a degree then you're smart and hard working enough to survive in a foreign country. It is not sending someone to inevitable death, which imo would then allow for true moral/ethical arguments aka political asylum.

You'll take them away from their friends and place them where they have no connection (same thing as moving intra-US)? The internet does exist and you can still communicate with your friends and your so called irreplaceable social network which you gain your identity from are allowed to message/visit you and send you money. Back to the analogy: Sorry you got used to having a ton of money in your bank account but it was never yours to begin with. You can't afford the private school anymore where all your friends are? You have to move from the OC to Oakland? How will you ever manage? A connection? Pretty sure work, eat, sleep is synonomous in every country. The irony...

Apr 24, 2017

Listen, if you want to pay for these illegals, go for it. But why do Americans, like myself, have to pay for it?

We're talking two different set of issues. You're talking about rights and I'm talking finances and opportunities that should have been given to a U.S. Citizen, first. We're comparing apples and oranges.

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Apr 24, 2017

This individual appears to make more than enough money to pay for whatever they need. Also, it is a myth that illegals are net tax takers. Illegals do pay taxes (about $13 billion in federal payroll taxes last year) yet they cannot receive social security income, medicare, or Medicaid (the government's biggest entitlements), welfare, or food stamps (sometimes their children can). This does not count state and local income, property, and sales taxes. I've no issue with immigration reform and tougher penalties for adult illegal immigrants but we need to stop spreading this myth that we "pay for them to be here". What is more likely is they are paying into a system you and I receive benefits from when they cannot receive those benefits.

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Apr 21, 2017

Illegals pay taxes because they steal someone's SSN. But that's cool. And do they not send their kids to school? Do they not use the hospitals?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421673/repor...
Cost us $2B to jail illegals.

All the mental gymnastics in the world are not going to justify someone breaking the law. If I break into your house and fix a broken lamp while I am there, it doesn't nullify the cost.

It's amazing you cannot see this.

Apr 21, 2017
mswoonc:

But the fact that she is flaunting like it was already her right to be here in the first place is what pisses me off.

This is correct. She literally takes it for granted that Mexicans have full right to be in the US (not!). In that case, so do other refugees, irrespective of religion and race.

mswoonc:

Listen, if you're illegal, regardless whether you came here as an infant or not, you shouldn't be here.

This is nonsensical. A child cannot be made to suffer the sins of the father. If a child comes to the US, gets educated, gets a college degree, gets a job, does not perform a crime, learns American values of freedom and democracy and dropping bombs on ME countries like bird poo, then the child has essentially carved his/her way to American citizenship by virtue of his/her achievements, unlike a fatso in Fucksville who hasn't graduated HS and lives in his mom's basement. Last time I checked, the USA was a results-oriented meritocracy.

BobtheBaker:

What is more likely is they are paying into a system you and I receive benefits from when they cannot receive those benefits.

And this. Illegals live in the US with whatever job they can get, for meagre pay, while their American companies line up their fat pockets without exerting a bit. While we need to reduce the amount that gets into the US, and focus on giving Americans the jobs Mexicans stole from them, we also need to ensure the competitiveness of the American corporation. Let's admit it, Americans may be some of the laziest workers vis-a-vis the Chinese or Indians or Mexicans. What makes American cooperations relatively competitive on the global level are cheap Mexican immigrant workers and factories in Mexico and China.

IMHO, having been to some crazy places in Mexico and Central America, I would recommend a full fledged military operation against the drug cartels in Mexico, in full INCOOPERATION with the Mexican government. The US army could not do so in an Afghanistan that was a million miles away, with a Taliban supported by Russia, but it could do that on its own border, against rogue gangs and a corrupt government. Why? Because the Mexicans might be willing to support it, and they aren't dumb. When we try to play gangs against each other like the CIA does right now, it's going to be an Afghanistan repeat.

Fun fact: - The Sinaloa cartel was actually propped up by the CIA to oppose the Beltran Levya, Gulf, Cali and Juarez cartels. The Los Zetas (one of the more dangerous groups), was in turn propped up by the Gulf Cartel.

EDIT:- Check a comment down below for my actual views on this. I support carving a path for Dreamers to citizenship, but not specifically for this woman who used a fraudulent SSN and fraudulent IDs to obtain a job. When she goes all out and puts out a story like that, she should've been deported. Her right to spousal citizenship should've been denied on these very grounds. Unfortunately I feel that the US background check system is so useless - even Iran does a better job.

EDIT2:- I like Mexico much better than the US - way cooler country. This video is proof of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dbEhBKGOtY

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 24, 2017

God I love that 2nd paragraph.

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Apr 24, 2017

Echoing @RedRage's words.

Me and my parents are from Latin America. Mom and Dad had to hustle extremely hard, and I was fortunate enough to be able to come and study (legally!) in an American university.

However, I can only stay here until I finish my education (next year already) -- and I will need a working Visa if I wish to stay any longer (which as you might now, is not an easy thing to do).

When I was recruiting for Internships, virtually no IB firms outside of the BB's sponsor international students. It is just burdensome and financially unfeasible for small shops to do so, which leaves a handful of firms that need to take in many international (and american) students. Result? People get left out, but at least we try, **LEGALLY! **

My parents don't even try to visit me because getting a Visa just to come and visit nowadays is fucking hard... America is the greatest country on the planet, and there will always be chances to be successful, but you got to get in line and work from there. You cant be a sneaky fuck and steal someone's SSN and apply for jobs... I understand that she came here as an 11 year old, but she can't just skip line like this. Furthermore, for every "VP @ Goldman Sachs success story, how many illegal-aliens are out there committing crimes?

Also, adding on to this, why the fuck are people so welcoming of immigrants? In my school, people want to literally shelter Muslim refugees. Why have we reached a point where blind sympathy has overrun logic and concern for our safety? Do these people not understand the need for a strong, secure, and fair border? Are they not looking at what is happening in Europe?

end of rant

"Suffer today and live the rest of your life as a champion!"

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Apr 24, 2017
Hakendenaron:

Also, adding on to this, why the fuck are people so welcoming of immigrants? In my school, people want to literally shelter Muslim refugees.

This is what liberal Democrats say; liberal Democrats, however, usually do not practice what they preach. I highly doubt any of those people saying they want to take in Muslim refugees would actually call up the feds and voluntarily take people in. Instead, liberal Democrats make sure that refugees get sent to small town America, which has to foot the cultural and financial bill. It's the same thing we see here in the Washington, D.C. area, which is run by pompous, entitled, narcissist liberal Democrats--they preach affordable housing, but make sure the units are nowhere near where they live.

Apr 26, 2017
<span itemprop=name>Dances with Dachshunds</span>:

Hakendenaron:Also, adding on to this, why the fuck are people so welcoming of immigrants? In my school, people want to literally shelter Muslim refugees.

This is what liberal Democrats say; liberal Democrats, however, usually do not practice what they preach. I highly doubt any of those people saying they want to take in Muslim refugees would actually call up the feds and voluntarily take people in. Instead, liberal Democrats make sure that refugees get sent to small town America, which has to foot the cultural and financial bill. It's the same thing we see here in the Washington, D.C. area, which is run by pompous, entitled, narcissist liberal Democrats--they preach affordable housing, but make sure the units are nowhere near where they live.

This is literally nonsensical. You can be pro-refugee and not willing to take in an additional mouth to feed at the same time; it's not at all hypocritical.

I'll consent when you decry any Republican who is against abortion and also not willing to adopt an additional child into their home.

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Apr 24, 2017
<span itemprop=name>Steam</span>:

This is literally nonsensical. You can be pro-refugee and not willing to take in an additional mouth to feed at the same time; it's not at all hypocritical.

How is it non-sensical? Literally, refugees are being sent disproportionately to small town America. LA, New York, DC, San Francisco have taken in virtually no refugees in proportion to the cities' sizes. It's rank hypocrisy.

Apr 26, 2017
<span itemprop=name>Dances with Dachshunds</span>:

Steam:This is literally nonsensical. You can be pro-refugee and not willing to take in an additional mouth to feed at the same time; it's not at all hypocritical.

How is it non-sensical? Literally, refugees are being sent disproportionately to small town America. LA, New York, DC, San Francisco have taken in virtually no refugees in proportion to the cities' sizes. It's rank hypocrisy.

What does that have to do with the point I was making? My point was that it's nonsensical to apply that line of reasoning simply when it helps your cause; you say that liberals who are pro-refugee aren't willing to take in refugees to their own home thus, they are hypocrites. This does not make sense. Are all republicans who denounce abortion supposed to be willing to adopt the child they are arguing must be born? You tell me.

Off topic: Yes, refugees are sent to areas that are statistically better for them to be accommodated in; sending refugees into the most expensive and congested cities in the US is a better move than where they're statistically more likely to have a greater net impact on the community and are cheaper to assist in the initial period?

The fed gov. negotiates w/ agencies contracting through State dept in each of those smaller cities. Factors such as which are best for relocation, housing availability, affordability, and employment are all huge considerations. They aren't just randomly placed there.

But back on point: The bottom line is that you can't denounce an entire position someone holds because they aren't willing to accept personal liability for the result of that - the assumption is that we live in a organized society of which a pool of something called "tax dollars" are collectively applied to serve multiples purposes, even those that don't directly affect us (but indirectly, do).

Apr 24, 2017
<span itemprop=name>Steam</span>:

What does that have to do with the point I was making? My point was that it's nonsensical to apply that line of reasoning simply when it helps your cause; you say that liberals who are pro-refugee aren't willing to take in refugees to their own home thus, they are hypocrites. This does not make sense. Are all republicans who denounce abortion supposed to be willing to adopt the child they are arguing must be born? You tell me.

First of all, not all Republicans are pro-life and not all Democrats are pro-choice. So let's just be clear about that.

Second of all, they aren't comparable positions--at all. If you're pro-life (and I'm not) then you believe abortion is the equivalent of murder. Murder is illegal in American society and its illegality is utterly independent from other behaviors. It's a completely false analogy.

<span itemprop=name>Steam</span>:

Off topic: Yes, refugees are sent to areas that are statistically better for them to be accommodated in; sending refugees into the most expensive and congested cities in the US is a better move than where they're statistically more likely to have a greater net impact on the community and are cheaper to assist in the initial period?

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p>The fed gov. negotiates w/ agencies contracting through State dept in each of those smaller cities. Factors such as which are best for relocation, housing availability, affordability, and employment are all huge considerations. They aren't just randomly placed there.

This is such a bullshit cop-out.

You're telling me that impoverished, bankrupt Detriot is the best-equipped city in America to take in Syrian refugees? It's painfully clear that the Obama administration cherry-picked certain states and towns/cities in which to place Syrian refugees out of spite toward their governors' or mayors' public repudiation of Obama's refugee policies.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/syrias-suffering-...

<span itemprop=name>Steam</span>:

But back on point: The bottom line is that you can't denounce an entire position someone holds because they aren't willing to accept personal liability for the result of that - the assumption is that we live in a organized society of which a pool of something called "tax dollars" are collectively applied to serve multiples purposes, even those that don't directly affect us (but indirectly, do).

Your comment is so classically hypocritical liberal Democrat. You liberals judgmentally preach your demented forms of morality and yet when it comes to your own pocketbooks you NEVER, EVER step up and actually make a difference--not when it requires personal sacrifice. Your entire immoral ideology is predicated upon passing the buck to the public and never suffering any direct consequences of your public policy. This can be seen in liberals putting affordable housing in places where they don't live; in liberals sending their own kids to private schools while calling others wrong for doing so (Obama literally called out parents who send their kids to private schools); in liberals giving less of their income to charity--by far--than conservatives; or by liberals making sure that refugees are placed disproportionately away from where liberals live or govern.

The entire left-wing ideology is just a spiritual replacement for religion. You judgmentally preach at everyone else, but you're just as hypocritical as the evangelical preacher who cheats on his wife.

Apr 21, 2017

It's futile arguing with that guy. It's a reddit regurgitation.

Apr 21, 2017

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-25...

A sharp kind of dread sank in after Goldman offered her a full-time position. She was afraid of what could happen when one of the world's most sophisticated companies examined her fake green card and Social Security number, took her fingerprints, and ran a background check. She had a recurring dream about being caught: She was sitting in an investment bank office. No one had to tell her she was being deported or threaten her; she just knew what was to come next. Then she'd wake up.

But Goldman never did discover her secret. It was 2005 and a good time to become one of the 23,000 employees of Wall Street's most profitable securities firm. "I was like, sky's the limit," she says. "I'm in."

And this becomes fraud. At this point, she should've been kicked out. That's where the loophole is. That's why she's a bad hombre. And instead of jailing her, she's allowed to become a writer and "motivational speaker". What a bitch.

Now because of her, Lindsey Chang or Karishma Gupta did not get that GS job.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/13/ju...

Finally, in 2009, Arce married a US citizen and secured a green card, and went on to become a naturalised US citizen. She quit Wall Street and is now an author, speaker and social justice advocate based in Los Angeles, the centre of the undocumented immigrant population. She has watched the ascent of Donald Trump, who has made anti-Mexican rhetoric a centrepiece of his presidential campaign, with horror. Yet in March last year, when Arce went public with her story, Trump's daughter Ivanka tweeted: "We love this story about an undocumented immigrant who worked her way up on Wall Street."

So she married to become a US citizen. Not even by going through the usual channels of green card wizardry. The hate is flowing freely now. Not to mention that the Trumps are hypocritical retards though.

Arce visited her family in Taxco, flew to Europe on a Mexican passport, and paddled down North Carolina's Roanoke River. She thought she could start a website for arranging impromptu vacations, then a business to get community funding for small ventures; both fell through. She and her husband, who moved away for a job, separated. "Life is all about adapting to change, moving when things are shaken up," she wrote on her blog.

In 2012 a coffee with a friend working at Bank of America's Merrill Lynch turned into a job opportunity, and she took it. The role wasn't what she'd thought--mostly project management and compliance strategy. When her boss stopped looking her in the eye, she says, she knew what was going to happen. She was let go last May.

And now, she's divorced, took advantage of her boyfriend, tried to start something instead of being a leach on society, and failed in that too. Tried to get a "normal" job, failed in that too. Makes me wonder how bad my profile was in not getting an interview to GS while stupid shits like her get in.

Funnily enough, all these frauds (JeffrayChiang and another unnamed fellow included) happen to be coming from UT Austin. What kind of fucked up culture does that place have?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 24, 2017

People like her is what is wrong with the system and the checks in general. I could care less what money she has or makes, she's trash to me and many others whose family came here legally. She probably paid the guy to marry her, for all we know.

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Apr 24, 2017

I came here legally at 8 and I find it comical that many of you would support deporting me at 25+ when I've never stepped foot in my "home country" for 15+ years if my parents broke the law and came here illegally. The fact that this is a discussion and people can't see the absurdity of this mindset is kinda sad honestly.

p.s. UT Austin is one of the most enjoyable campuses in America

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Apr 21, 2017

What this woman did was outright fraud. I assume you would not have forged your SSN if you were in her place right? Lloyd Blankfein proudly touts her as an inspiration, but behind the scenes, I believe GS background checks are much more stringent now to prevent characters like her from even interning at the bloody bank.

As for UT Austin, proud to call Bill Gurley, jeffrey chiang and Wells Fargo kid as alums. There are a lot of idiots at McCombs, but also many brilliant guys. But when you have a bunch of people openly committing fraud and then becoming viral memes, more than kids from other schools, it should embarrass the school a bit, no?

That being said, that UT Austin, with the kind of people like Chiang and Arce, was one of almost 5 years ago. I hope the system has changed for the better now.

EDIT:- Haha lol, automatic tag to the jeffrey chiang thread!!!!

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 26, 2017
<span itemprop=name>BobTheBaker</span>:

I came here legally at 8 and I find it comical that many of you would support deporting me at 25+ when I've never stepped foot in my "home country" for 15+ years if my parents broke the law and came here illegally. The fact that this is a discussion and people can't see the absurdity of this mindset is kinda sad honestly.

p.s. UT Austin is one of the most enjoyable campuses in America

Because they don't interact with immigrants or people in those types of situations themselves to have been able to forge that belief that we all were able to simply by attending a large university (or one would assume).

It's along the same thought process as many of the people on the right not showing any support or sympathy for a matter until they are personally affected by it. Bill Mahr had a great piece on this as well -

I would love to gauge the reaction these people would have if they found out their close friends, family, or associates were found out at 30+ that their parents somehow came here illegally and now were about to be sent back "home". Such a disconnect from reality and a sad state to live in - makes you wonder if these people have even a basic understanding of American history.

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Apr 21, 2017

On a side note, why are the hot chicks in Mexico while the busty fatso illegals come to the US? Care to enlighten us @AndyLouis ?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

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Apr 24, 2017

I think it's all the McDonald's consumed once in this country.

Apr 27, 2017

ha good question. the gringo to beautiful Tapatia ratio in my neighborhood is incredible. except for the pollution bothering my lungs/nose a bit (just need a fat air filter in my apt), loving Guadalajara so far

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Apr 21, 2017

incredible on the low side or the high side?

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 27, 2017

in other words, i don't have to leave my neighborhood :-)

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Apr 24, 2017

Look what Mexicans did to Mexico. Why would you want them to come do that to the US?

Let me hear you say, this shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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Apr 28, 2017

Look what imperialist Spaniards did to Mexico**

Apr 24, 2017

As first generation immigrant there are many people who apply legally to become citizens, and especially in the education system, illegals are supported much more than those tax paying law abiding immigrants and citizens. She has taken advantage of those circumstances, which give her a unfair advantage over those who have gone through the excruciating process.

Apr 25, 2017

Legal Immigrant here. Personally think its ridiculous that someone can cheat the system like this and be rewarded. Its also doubly unfair to those who, like my family and I, had to wait years just to be CONSIDERED for residency.

I don't think she shouldn't be deported becuase its "unfair" but rather because i think its pointless. America has an immigration problem and I think there should be a clear cut path to turn all these illegals into regular citizens.

So I would say lets deport her parents who knowingly came into the country illegally and brought her with her, levy a kick in the ass to GS for either not doing their job or doing it poorly and finally fine her/throw her in jail (whatever the usual punishment for such actions is) for knowingly defrauding the system by providing false documentatin. As an immigrant I do appreciate how hard it is to be allowed to come to this country and I wish the US did make it easier for those of us who are are willing to relocate here, pay taxes and play by the rules but I also understand that this a is a claasic case of a few bad apples ruining it for all of us.

Also, for the love of God: you come into the country illegally, proceed to stay here for over a decade, get a job at the most elitist bank in the world, very dubiously marry someone, get a greencard, divorce and then tell every one just to rub in how much smarter she is than everyone else? This is a joke right?

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Apr 21, 2017

Spot on dude. I've seen friends of mine leave because they can't get a Visa. My buddy was told point blank to go to Mexico and get a tan and he'd be able to stay.

Shameful and truly unfair to all the Americans who come to this country legally. The fact that Dems obstruct against enforcing immigration laws is shocking to me.

Apr 28, 2017

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/soej.12...
Abstract:
Using administrative, individual level, longitudinal data from the state of Georgia, this article finds that rising shares of undocumented workers results in higher earnings for documented workers, but by a small amount. A one percentage point increase in the share of undocumented workers in a documented worker's county/industry results in an average wage boost of 0.44%. Within the firm, a one percentage point increase in the percent of undocumented workers employed by the firm boosts wages by 0.09% (0.11, 0.12, and 0.04 in low, medium, and high skill firms, respectively). Potential explanations for a positive wage impact are discussed.

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Apr 24, 2017

Most economic papers show immigration results in a net positive for developed economies. People don't give a fuck about data though (like the persisting myth that immigrants take more from the state in welfare than they pay in taxes when the opposite is true). It isn't an economic argument but an ideological argument (see Republican Steven King's comments on not rebuilding our nation with someone else's babies) masked as an economic one.

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Apr 21, 2017

You'd believe a report that showed a marginal benefit towards drowning.

We are automating McDonald's workers. We're maybe 10 years away from an articulate, humanoid robot. I've been on plant tours that are lights out, fully automated.

Please tell me the benefit of importing people who have low educational achievement, who speak English as a second language and who perform largely menial work.

Sorry, but I can shit out a counter paper and we can have this dance all day. Doesn't pass the sniff test. We have tens of millions of unemployed Americans. We don't need any more unskilled workers.

And any report that looks at dimininus increases in wages without looking at increased costs to society or the depression in wages/automation that illegal immigration brings is trash.

Btw - it's illegal. All the "justification" in the world doesn't change that. Build the wall, deport these people and find companies into the ground for not complying with the law.

Apr 24, 2017

Let me make this clear: the only segment of the population immigration hurts are those without HS degrees (last I checked it depressed their wages around .4%-7% according to an academic study). For every other segment of the population (the vast majority of Americans have graduated HS) immigration has been a net positive. This isn't really disputed, for the most part, in economics. I will leave it at that.

p.s. no issue with fines for companies who game the system, they provide the incentive. Big issue with building a wall that no immigration expert thinks will be effective. That money could be spent on better technology for border agents/ more border agents in general rather than a pointless vanity project. Thank God Congress won't fund that garbage.

Apr 25, 2017

BobTheBaker
You are missing the key point. Findings discovered by your "economist" is now out of date in this ever changing world. Economist has always been weak with new scientific discoveries and disruptive technologies. That is why many people these days and I will care much more about what Facebook CEO says much more than what an "economist" has to say.

You see here, we are soon to witness a "game changer" era. Some calls this "Fourth Industrial Revolution" What this is big data, automation, and robotics. Some factories will begin to run without any human management. Drones will drastically remove post office truck drivers out of work with drone delivery. More importantly, driverless car will replace tens of millions of drivers out of work. This is not a distance future 10~50 years but a reality that will happen over 3~10 years.

In this new reality, there will need much less workers to get America's economy running. We don't need as much labor as we did. In fact, we won't have much room for illegal immigrants because we will have tens of millions of displaced truck drivers and other American looking for jobs.

Therefore, economic benefit of an illegal immigrant will be way way less than before. This is the point TNA made. It basically refutes the entire finding of your "economist".

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Apr 24, 2017

Umm... we can discuss not needing future immigration due to automation, that's fine. Doesn't mean Mexican immigrants haven't been a positive up until now, which is what I've been saying this whole time.

Apr 21, 2017

Cmon man. They've been a positive because we take advantage of them. We all know no Americans would do what they do for what they are paid. That right there should be enough to tell you it's an abusive relationship.

As we going to really celebrate an economic benefit that was gained through exploitation?

And illegal immigration retards innovative and automation. It is no surprise that increasing wages are finally the impetus for automation at McDonald's. You see automation increases in china as workers demand more for wages. The machines were always there, but it was just easier to pay lower wages than make the upfront capex investment.

Apr 24, 2017

I don't really see it as exploitation. If their choice is b/w working and living in Mexico for far less pay & govt. assistance, more crime etc. or working here for far more than they would make in Mexico (although less than a citizen would command) and using our infrastructure and education for a better future the choice is obvious. The personal sacrifice for a better future for their children (who graduate college at a higher rate than citizens) and the assistance to their poor extended family in Mexico is easy to make. I know of many from my home country that would kill for such a chance.

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Apr 21, 2017

So they come cause they are desperate and we pay them less because of the illegal status. That's not exploitation?

So if I ass fuck a honelesss woman for a sandwich that's kosher. Not taking advantage of the situation at all.

Please. We all know this is abuse and wrong. Illegal people are taken advantage of all kinds of ways. It's wrong. They should be paid what all Americans are paid.

Apr 21, 2017

@TNA IMO we shouldn't even need to justify our position on illegal immigration beyond the fact that it is against the law to reside within or overstay your entry in the USA.

Why people like BobTheBaker can't seem to grasp this simple concept it beyond me. Unless their is some ulterior motive we have to abide by our laws and enforce them as strictly as possible.

If we don't take a look at the European migrant issue where migrants wanted to specifically move to Germany, UK, and Sweden because they provided free benefits. Forget the fact that these people could've stayed in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, etc where they have more in common than European countries.

We will continue to be taken advantage of until we take drastic action. I don't give a shit if the Pope excommunicates everyone in America (BTW how many refugees has the Vatican taken in?) we MUST enforce our laws.

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Apr 21, 2017

+1

Who is going to pick out cotton if we don't have slaves?? Tshirt prices with go through the roof!

Different time, same argument. Economic gain on the back of exploitation is horrible.

Sad that the pro trump guy is the one making this argument.

Apr 24, 2017

Lol do you even facts bro? Here are the ten countries that have taken in the most refugees:

  1. Jordan (2.7 million+)
  2. Turkey (2.5 million+)
  3. Pakistan (1.6 million)
  4. Lebanon (1.5 million+)
  5. Iran (979,400)
  6. Ethiopia (736,100)
  7. Kenya (553,900)
  8. Uganda (477,200)
  9. Democratic Republic of Congo (383,100)
  10. Chad (369,500)

    The U.S. nor a western European country is anywhere in sight. I'm pretty sure Turkey has taken in more than the entirety of Europe combined. No issue with enforcing immigration laws, but I do have an issue with this unfounded theory that Mexican immigrants (illegal or not) are leeches on the system. That is untrue plain and simple.

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Apr 21, 2017

Cmon. You know the second you posted that false equivalence it was going to be ravished.

Those countries are taking in refuges from war conflicts. This is hardly the same thing. And their taking in more doesn't negate our issues.

You're trolling me right now.

Apr 24, 2017

I wasn't responding to you. I was directly responding to RedRage who said this: "If we don't take a look at the European migrant issue where migrants wanted to specifically move to Germany, UK, and Sweden because they provided free benefits. Forget the fact that these people could've stayed in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, etc where they have more in common than European countries." Fact is he is categorically wrong about Europe taking in Syrian Refugees in comparison to Jordan.

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Apr 21, 2017

Oh my bad. I'm having a fucked up travel day, sorry.

I think the difference is cultural though. I've been to Germany and how they've treated decade old Turkish citizens is pretty horrible. To think they'd magically see the error in their ways with a new batch of people is foolish.

Maybe they will get better with things, but how they are approaching the crisis currently isn't very confidence inspiring.

Apr 21, 2017

You mean too much freedom or too less integration?

I went to Germany in '14 with my (ex) girlfriend, Berlin specifically. I had tried to learn and reached level 17 on Duolingo German. When I did reach Berlin though, I could get along with English and a smattering of German words, with German speakers. But it was Berlin and it was Ramadan, hence these European goatfuckers come out of hiding and began taking over parks, laying out tables and large prayer areas in them. And no, you can't speak German with them - most of them only know Turkish. Luckily, the missus was there to save the day (Iranian who knows a shit ton of middle eastern languages for some reason).

Funnily enough, these guys didn't come with the immigration crisis. They came way back, since the 1890s, when the Ottomans established trade relations with the Prussian Empire. And they have done the least to integrate with the society in General. The current refugees integrate especially well, oftentimes learning perfect German.

Also note, this was Berlin. German-heavy cities like Munich or Frankfurt may have a different perspective.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 25, 2017

As you noticed, some factions of religions or ideologies simply integrate more extensively than others. It's ridiculous when people try to paint syrian refuges with the same brush as the most conservative branches of the muslim world. This isn't exclusive to muslims though, hasidics would be another example of an especially insulated subset of a wider religion.

Goatfuckers though, man? come on. They may not be trying to help the situation but that doesn't mean they're doing harm or deserve that kind of talk.

Apr 21, 2017
<span itemprop=name>MiserlyGrandpa</span>:

Goatfuckers though, man? come on. They may not be trying to help the situation but that doesn't mean they're doing harm or deserve that kind of talk.

Hasidics, Wahhabbis and other kinds of orthodox people disgust me. Disclosure:- I'm descended from a relatively orthodox group myself, and hate its customs. They all come under the tag of "goatfuckers", along with Saudi sheikhs (not Dubai sheikhs), Iranian radical clerics, North American Christian weird groups (not Mormons and Shakers, but those weirdos who sing acapella for rain and shit in Texas), and New Zealanders (who haven't done anything wrong except literally partake in copulating mutton).
And yes, they do cause harm - as in, the community now feels immune to any form of attack by the government, hence they perpetrate shit acts like the Cologne molestation/rape/whatever it was. Do you see Turks or Syrians or Iraqis doing these same things in Dubai or Doha or Malaysia? NO. Why? Because the fear of punishment under the law of the land hamstrings them.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 21, 2017

Haha I was in Berlin in 2014 as well. Got a pita from a surely Turk.

They haven't integrated either because they don't want to or Germans don't like them. Either way, if they can't after a decade, some angry ass Syrian or Afghani won't.

End of the day Merkle put the needs of foreigners ahead of the needs to her people. She's a piece of shit. Orban and the poles know what's up. My buddy is Bulgarian and just shakes his head and what he sees in the us.

I like non US people. They are much more realistic with stuff and have seen real adversity in life.

Apr 21, 2017

I wouldn't take such a hardline stance on immigration. I would actually want a system between the ones in place in the Gulf countries (which are very good for employment, but suck for settling), and in European countries (which are too lax for settlers, and very tough for good employees).

First, Turkey should NOT be a part of the EU. They are a totally different culture from the rest of Europe. They have even bastardized the cultural riches of the Byzantines - just look at the shithole of a city that Istanbul has become (compared to its past - it's still a great city though).

Second, support talented people to work in the country, for working intervals of at least 3 years. Set a minimum salary requirement for jobs which can be filled by people from abroad. Don't set caps, and leave the vetting process for each candidate's qualifications (degree, pay, etc.) to the companies themselves. Also, create a temporary working scheme for seasonal employment, with established employers, and ensure that these people leave after the period is over. Constant checks for valid visas in companies, like in the Gulf countries, should be a thing. Seasonal labour should also be cheaper for companies which hire them for their lower pay.

Third, create a road for PERMANENT RESIDENCY in x no. of years. Don't want to lose foreign talent, right? For this, ensure that those in the previous paragraph, under the work Visa scheme, get to apply for permanent residency after say, staying in the country for 10 years with very less gaps in between. Language requirements are a must now, along with basic knowledge of the country.

Fourth, create a road for permanent residents to obtain citizenship and associated benefits in maybe 10 years after obtaining permanent residency. By now, the aspiring citizen must be thorough in every aspect of the country, including its culture and history. In exchange, he receives the same benefits as the standard citizen. If he isn't able to avail of those benefits because of the long timeframe of the route to citizenship, certain exemptions can be conceded in exchange (such as tax benefits in exchange for education benefits)

Of course, this is just a skeleton framework, and more needs to be done to create a route for child immigrants to obtain citizenship.

Also investor visas are BS. Revise them so that foreign are limited (by number and value) to the amount of real estate holdings they can own, and instead grant incentives for people to invest in local businesses and companies instead.

GoldenCinderblock: "I keep spending all my money on exotic fish so my armor sucks. Is it possible to romance multiple females? I got with the blue chick so far but I am also interested in the electronic chick and the face mask chick."

Apr 21, 2017
<span itemprop=name>BobTheBaker</span>:

I wasn't responding to you. I was directly responding to RedRage who said this: "If we don't take a look at the European migrant issue where migrants wanted to specifically move to Germany, UK, and Sweden because they provided free benefits. Forget the fact that these people could've stayed in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, etc where they have more in common than European countries." Fact is he is categorically wrong about Europe taking in Syrian Refugees in comparison to Jordan.

My point with that comparison was to show that just like these migrants when illegals know that the country they want to go to doesn't have a spine and won't enforce its laws AND they can gain benefits...well where do you think they're going to go?

Want to know why certain European countries are not preferred destinations for migrants because they don't hand out benefits and actually enforce their laws and borders. Until we start doing this illegals will continue to come to the US.

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Apr 26, 2017
<span itemprop=name>TNA</span>:

You'd believe a report that showed a marginal benefit towards drowning.

We are automating McDonald's workers. We're maybe 10 years away from an articulate, humanoid robot. I've been on plant tours that are lights out, fully automated.

Please tell me the benefit of importing people who have low educational achievement, who speak English as a second language and who perform largely menial work.

Sorry, but I can shit out a counter paper and we can have this dance all day. Doesn't pass the sniff test. We have tens of millions of unemployed Americans. We don't need any more unskilled workers.

And any report that looks at dimininus increases in wages without looking at increased costs to society or the depression in wages/automation that illegal immigration brings is trash.

Btw - it's illegal. All the "justification" in the world doesn't change that. Build the wall, deport these people and find companies into the ground for not complying with the law.

Eagerly awaiting you to shit out a counter paper. Didn't know we had some many overnight-economists on WSO. The anti-intellectualism movement is truly astounding.

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Apr 25, 2017

@DeepLearning
Excuse me but who wrote this? I see that this paper is cited by other source only one time and it's been two years since the publication. Authority of an academic paper is determine by the "number of citation". The fact that this paper was cited only once probably means that this paper's findings are not solid enough. Also, the fact that this paper was published in Southern Economic Association doesn't mean much.

In addition, the fact that there were observations of increased share of undocumented workers with increased share of wage of documented workers don't mean it's causal. There could so many other external factors.
There can be millions of other explanations.

Apr 25, 2017

@DeepLearning
Correct me if I am wrong but this paper is cited only one time right?

Apr 28, 2017

According to google scholar, It's cited by 10.

Apr 25, 2017

@DeepLearning
Can you say that this a lot of citations?

Ok, I looked a little deeper into citation info.

Google Scholar has two different versions of this paper and its 7 and 3. I guess you added them up?
Looking at citation sources, I see that four citations are self-citation, citation made by the author who wrote the paper herself.

In addition, good papers get cited from other papers with high "citation number".
For this paper "The wage impact of undocumented workers"
I don't see any paper with high number.
Except self-citing papers, papers that cites this seems to have non-existent citation number (0~1)

Apr 25, 2017

Isn't it flawed to say that one extra illegal immigrant who makes it over the border "takes" the spot of a legal, highly-educated immigrant seeking a Visa? I don't see a connection between event A (illegal immigrant crosses corder) and event B (legal immigrant denied H-IB).

Not necessarily arguing in favor of illegal immigration. Just wondering if the more effective argument would be something along the lines of: burden on infrastructure, burden on healthcare and education systems, don't pay taxes, etc.

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Apr 25, 2017

Let's just liberalize the immigration process. No reason why anyone (barring obvious exceptions) who wants to come to the United States shouldn't.

Pros:
+ positive to GDP
+ in congruence with our principles
+ allows us to be more competitive in global market

Cons:
- have to deal with different people
- english lol
- see above

Naturally some people will be opposed to immigration. That's fine, I have nothing against them--I just disagree.

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Apr 29, 2017

Yeah... How's that working out for Europe?

Apr 25, 2017
<span itemprop=name>George Kush</span>:

Yeah... How's that working out for Europe?

You're an analyst. Pull your head out of your ass and tell me.

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Apr 29, 2017
<span itemprop=name>Rahma</span>:

George Kush:Yeah... How's that working out for Europe?

You're an analyst. Pull your head out of your ass and tell me.

Ok dipshit, let me explain it to you since you live in the state with the most bankrupt municipalities and can't figure it out for yourself. If we let "anyone" come here we're going to to get a lot of low skill labor... as has Europe. These jobs are going away and don't pay very much, especially outside of expensive cities in California. Since we are a compassionate society, we offer safety net, basically a guaranteed minimum lifestyle standard.. That is well above the living standard of many other countries. Though the added commerce would boost GDP, it would be funded by additional debt (government spending) since we run a deficit.. Which would only get bigger.

You should send this out as an internal memo to your team, since they allow portfolio managers who do not understand basic micro/macro economics..

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Apr 25, 2017

Your head's still in your ass.

Let's go through your statements (face value):
"If we let "anyone" come here we're going to to get a lot of low skill labor... as has Europe."
So you're expanding total population, net productivity falls. If you improve productivity on that new, larger, total population, you end up with greater GDP. So it's a positive catalyst in the long run. Short run, might be a dip.

"Since we are a compassionate society, we offer safety net, basically a guaranteed minimum lifestyle standard."

Not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean expanded access to SSI, medicare, medicaid, etc? We are not the most generous country, in terms of benefits, but we do provide better medical and social services than many third-world and developing nations, true.

"Though the added commerce would boost GDP, it would be funded by additional debt (government spending) since we run a deficit."
Okay, are you trying to tie in the immigrants using the "minimum lifestyle standard" as a reason for added commerce? If so, I agree (gov't will fund programs, which improves living standards of immigrants). On the commerce side, the propensity to spend is greater among the poor than among the rich, so you enhance trade (also: velocity of money).

All things being equal, you do have a short term increase in the size of the deficit. However, if government spending enhances productivity over time, what can you expect the net effect on GDP to be? Positive.

Tl;dr-- long bias on US and European equities. You can send that to your PM. You're welcome.

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Apr 28, 2017

I'm quite leftist myself but what I find interesting is liberal obsession with Europe and the way they do things. While they certainly do a lot of things right, they aren't very good at integrating immigrants into their society. Relatively speaking, the U.S. is a very new country without as much history. European cultures are in many ways much more nationalistic, making them less conducive to immigration, particularly non-white immigration. Here's a pretty interesting article on the subject.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/...

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Apr 25, 2017

For reference, I agree that Europe is doing a horrible job integrating their immigrant population and that the US is far better at it for the reasons you (and the article) state.

Apr 29, 2017
<span itemprop=name>DeepLearning</span>:

I'm quite leftist myself but what I find interesting is liberal obsession with Europe and the way they do things. While they certainly do a lot of things right, they aren't very good at integrating immigrants into their society. Relatively speaking, the U.S. is a very new country without as much history. European cultures are in many ways much more nationalistic, making them less conducive to immigration, particularly non-white immigration. Here's a pretty interesting article on the subject.https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/...

DeepLearning with them inconvenient facts... would expect nothing less from someone in data science

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Apr 25, 2017

@Rahma

What you metioned happened long time ago when Caracalla a Roman Emperor AD200 did through his "Constitutio Antoniniana"Basically, he gave Roman citizenship to all people in Roman colony except slaves.

Some historians think this was one of the biggest reason for the fall of Rome. That is one of the key message from "Rome was Not Built in a Day" written by one of the most influential historian of roman history in Asia is Nanami Shiono.

Back then, "Rome Citizenship" was a prestige that everyone wanted. Citizens from colonial countries became roman soldiers and fought death to become a Roman Citizen. Citizenship is an important part of successful country's strategy. Some say citizenship strategy was one of the reason Rome rose to dominate the world.

When Rome opened up citizen to nearly anyone, Rome's citizenship lost prestige. Rome lost loyalty from its existing citizens. Rome's citizenship no longer became something that people from other countries will fight and die for.

You might say "I did not mean giving citizenship to everyone but some sort of status between Greencard and work Visa"

That will not work. Why? Once US open up border to every one it is going to be nearly impossible to go back. Your setting a precedent that will be very difficult to reverse. More importantly, with populistic democracy politics in US, politicians are going to give out free and easy citizenship to more and more people to win votes. Soon, everyone will have US citizenship.

I would also like to bring up a point that US World dominance is as much about US MILITARY DOMINANCE as economic dominance. I personally think it's more about military dominance. Heck, US no longer even dominate the world in economy as China taking #1 in GDP. US military dominance helps US hold on to oil fields and some say that that access to oil has effectively ruled the world politics. I diverged.

What I am trying to say is, if US citizenship lose its prestige, you cannot have a strong military. Do you think some paid off mercenary is better than US military soldiers who are loyal? Leaving your national security to foreign mercenary was exactly how Rome fell. More importantly, you will lose loyalty from core foundation of your country - existing citizens.

Citizenship policy is an important part of national strategy. Extremely difficult to reverse, immigrantion process liberalization, I argue, can be a start of American decline. Student of history, I personally don't think it will help the country in the long shot.

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Apr 25, 2017

I like Roman history too. However, I think you have a few things off:
1- We can agree on the premise on that Roman citizenship was prestigious; however, I disagree that citizenship was a deciding factor in the fall of Rome
2- I don't think we need to "go back"--I'm ok with a liberal immigration policy in perpetuum
3- US GDP is still nearly 2x China's...
4- Military dominance is important, agreed; with greater tax revenues coming from a broader base, the US will continue to fund its military
5- The US is one of the largest producers of oil within our own territories lol, we don't need foreign oil fields
6- I don't think that US military strength is dependent upon prestige of citizenship lol, US became the largest GDP decades before it became the most power military fyi
7- The US's history (and Rome's) and quite the opposite of what you posit. What made Rome great, and what makes the US great, is the idea that people from different backgrounds can share the same values work towards common prosperity
8- See: statue of liberty

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Apr 25, 2017

I think I diverge with your opinion on what make US great. I do think one part of what makes US great is being the "melting pot".

However, more powerful factor that makes US great in my opinion is it's geography. For example, UK and Japan show the importance of geography.

Political instability such as war with other neighboring nation is the single most dangerous and limitating factor for a country. I know this because I come from Korea and because we have been occupied by Japan once.

North America is like one huge island distanced from other continents. The fact that US hold tight hegemony in North America is an extreme bless and competitive advantage.

US also has large fertile land for agriculture and abundant natural resources as you said. Look at Russia, most of its land is infertile.

Also facing both Atlantic Ocean and Pacific Ocean, US has vast ocean territory in the two largest seas. How many countries have all three advantages? Does Russia have any major ports?

Heck, Netherland has one of the most open society in the world, do they rule the world as America does?

I admit that "melting pot" helped attracting much needed people to develop such as an enormous territory.
I do want to say though, that what makes America great are above three factors.

Apr 25, 2017

People immigrated to the United States BEFORE it was "great" lol. First, people came over to explore, others came to survive religious persecution, then even more people came to search for economic opportunities (farmsteading, plantations, mining) prior to the US becoming a global economic power. With each wave of immigrants came new technologies, innovation, and expansion of the economy.

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Apr 25, 2017

Yeah I know well about them. In fact, those innovative immigrants were similar to China today. Some setting up companies illegally copying innovative ideas and products from European countries such as UK, France, and Germany. Not worried about retaliation because they knew they could outsize European competitiors with its enormous home market. They knew government would stand behind them even if they copied.

Sure some people came to America before it became great. America was able to attract large large number of people to immigrate. Why?

Because they knew America had potential off the roof. America was a "new world" just growing and growing like an engine. America was a young prince that will someday be throned to be a king. More importantly, if you go to America, you could get a land. If you go to America you might become rich by finding gold mine. They saw a potential great land. Sure "melting pot" helped. But I argue prospect of getting lands and fortune was as big or slightly bigger factors.

There were other "open" new world such as South American countries. Nobody went there because they knew that those countries did not have as much potential as America.

Apr 25, 2017
<span itemprop=name>reelice</span>:

Yeah I know well about them. In fact, those innovative immigrants were similar to China today. Some setting up companies illegally copying innovative ideas and products from European countries such as UK, France, and Germany. Not worried about retaliation because they knew they could outsize European competitiors with its enormous home market. They knew government would stand behind them even if they copied.

Sure some people came to America before it became great. America was able to attract large large number of people to immigrate. Why?

Because they knew America has potential off the roof. America was a "new world" just growing and growing like an engine. If you go to America, you could get a land. If you go to America you might become rich by finding gold mine. They saw a potential great land. These are not about "melting pot" These are factors I mentioned above.

There were other "open" new world such as South American countries. Nobody went there because they knew that those countries did not have as much potential as America.

Of course. My entire point is that those immigrants who came here for opportunity helped create the dominant world economy and military. I believe that people are still immigrating here for opportunity and, that by doing so, are prolonging American dominance.

Tl;dr-- I will be worried that the US is in a decline when we start sending our young elites to be educated in other countries and when our best & brightest go to other countries for funding and business. As I see it, nations compete globally for capital--which includes labor and entrepreneurship, and we are pretty competitive right now. We could do better, imo--but immigration is not a negative, it is by and large a net positive (economically, socially, etc.).

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Apr 25, 2017

Am I against immigration? No. I just don't agree with liberalizing immigration you mentioned. America is currently taking 1 million immigrant a year now and there is no country on Earth that takes as much as US. I'd like to argue that limiting this number helps boost prestige of citizenship.

Will immigrants respect and appreciate America if we allow anyone to come here and work? Or are we making US some sort of a dirty public Central Park in NYC?

Back in Western Expansion sure US needed liberalized immigration because the country needed as much people as possible. Back then +1 immigrant did not hurt existing citizen's interest and it benefited all.

What about now?

We found all gas field we can find. We found all gold mines we can find. We are already using much more land farming than we should be.

Does America need that much people? Can America take +1 immigrant without hurting interest of existing citizen?

Apr 25, 2017

@BobTheBaker points out the obvious and is shit on relentlessly. Doesn't compute.

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Apr 21, 2017