Morgan Stanley Best IB Group
Hey Folks, I was lucky enough to land an offer at MS IB. I'd like to place into a top group... the only problem is I don't know what the top groups are. There's a thread from 2013 that has some rankings, but that's literally 8 years old as of now. Let's fix that with this new thread.
Questions for here:
- What are the top performing MS IB groups?
- What groups place the best into PE // have the best exit opps?
- What groups have the best MDs and leadership?
(all in reference to NY office)
Much appreciated!
MS M&A
M&A, M&C, HC, GPUG. All should be sweaty tho.
GPUG isn't that sweaty
Does anyone know if bonuses vary by group or is it just split in a pool? And any ideas on bonus range for a first year?
Also curious!
M&A, menlo tech, media comms, sponsors place best... but "best" coming out of MS is relative
GPUG very strong but a little nuanced exit wise
Are the exits mostly infra PE?
Wait Morgan Stanley offers are out already?
Not sure if it was all superdays, but I know two rounds were held this past Thursday and Friday. Offer notification in the day after. Given, that could just be for a subset of target schools
Also would be interesting to hear your take on the weakest groups...
can you pm me?
Are you non-target and non-diversity? When did you apply?
Target + non-diversity: Applied with hirevue in April
How soon did they contact you for a 1st round after you submitted HV? And did you have exploding offers? Congrats btw.
Tech, M&A, and Sponsors
Another commenter or two have sort of outlined this, but M&A and GPUG are exceptionally strong at MS. The guys whom I know in GPUG have said that they are a bit siloed regarding exit opps (compared to other coverage groups), while M&A leaves you with more options but less subject matter expertise with particular industry dynamics. Congrats on the offer!
Only thing I will say is that the idea that GPUG analysts are siloed in terms of exit options is fundamentally false. In the last 5 or 6 years, there have been maybe two analysts that actually went to infrastructure PE - tons of exits to New Mountain, TA Associates, Carlyle (non-infra), Lindsay Goldberg, etc... The group has a strong reputation with a broad network, and it is a complete misconception that it silos junior people on exit.
This is true and speaking of LDN GPUG, L3Y exits include: traditional PE (H&F), REPE (BX), Infra PE (KKR) and more.
M&A, Transportation and Mediacomm
Practically speaking, unless you attend a target for the group, you will have a very very tough time getting into top groups. A friend has told me about how her process unfolded fir placement and it’s hard for sure
Can you elaborate?
Candidly speaking, there’s a general acceptance from alum perspectives that the culture in a lot of groups is poor, you don’t model, pay sucks, and it’s hard to get into a great group via networking unless you’re lucky. Honestly not even worth going for M&A just to waste time networking and a valuable ranking space.
Go hard for mid-tier groups with the best culture you can find (culture is pretty brutal for all analysts tbh). You’ll be able to exit just fine
Interesting - also speaking candidly, if I’m from a target with a decent school alum presence throughout the groups would it be worth it ranking for M&A etc?
Depends if your alum sit in M&A. It should be a few convos before you realize whether or not you’ll be able to break in. One of my friends (attends M&A “target” was told well in advance of placement he was good for the group)
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It's not. I work at MS we rank our top candidates and our candidates rank us. Sometimes, when you get a random placement like you did it's because the groups you liked didn't like you and you somehow lucked into M&A which is crazy. For most people when they're told by a group they're good then they're good in the rare case they get screwed out like yours.
Ok but how can u "luck" into M&A? it just doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows it's one of the top groups and i don't think HR is that tricky to just "luck" someone into M&A?
RE group is very good as well. On a ton of the big M&A/Portfolio deals
Heard great things about their RE acquisition team. Is that what you are referring to?
No, referring to REGAL IB coverage group. MSREI acquisitions is completely separate. Great group though and can go essentially anywhere in RE afterwards. Don’t work there, but prior exits have been TPG, RockPoint, Baupost, Northwood etc.
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