Most rare “diversity” group that doesn’t count as “diversity”

People who have kids before the age of 25. How many of these people do you actually know in banking?

Doesn't matter what race, religion, where you came from, married, orientation, etc.

Seems like hardly anyone wants to have kids in their 20s or earlier anymore (or has them even if they don't want them) and probably a growing constituency who don't want kids at all. I've seen a number of posts on this forum about this. This just goes for the banking culture I've gotten to know over the past 6 years (read: my opinion)-before all you "I grew up folksy/immigrant family/tough neighborhood" people start going off at me about how all your high school friends had kids at 17 or whatever and love it and that I live in a bubble-of course I live in a bubble, I'm on this forum after all.

I view this as the most diverse group bc all the "conventional" diversity (hah that's kind of an oxymoron eh?) groups are just like everyone else in this aspect-it's rare to see them w kids early. This goes for LGBT+ too bc they can adopt plus other ways.

I see VPs and Directors who are like 36 and maybe just got engaged 2 weeks ago. Aren't even thinking about kids.

Not hating on anyone being cautious about this-the world is expensive now. And this is a tough lifestyle to spend time w kids. And good for you for planning your life out meticulously to be "secure" before you have kids. But there are lots of tough-on-family jobs across all walks of life. I'm just getting my weekly catharsis by typing thoughts out.

And before all you trolls start saying that Tunisian deaf paraplegics are a more diverse group, I'm talking about a real human experience (read: "LIVED EXPERIENCE") universal to almost everyone. This is something I just do not see. Tell me I'm wrong.

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Jul 1, 2021 - 3:04pm

Interesting post, would be good to see the rarest group that isn't diverse, for whatever reason. But I also suspect that this view might be very subjective. I also find that being a child of really young parents would make a different upbringing than having older parents. No way that this would be classified as a diversity group though.

ps my parents were around 26/27 when they had me.

Jul 1, 2021 - 4:35pm

What's the point of this. In 20 years down the line it's not like these people will be able to differentiate themselves in essays or interviews for having an MD mom or dad that's 45 when they're 21. 


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  • Associate 2 in IB-M&A
Jul 1, 2021 - 6:06pm

OP here. Wasn't talking about the kids being diverse. Talking about the parents. Don't you think being an IB analyst AND a parent is a helluva lot more of a challenge than most things people have dealt w in their lives? And really my point wasn't about "differentiation" on paper for jobs-I just titled it that hoping I could get some comments. Point is-this generation of bankers seems to defer until much later or forego having kids altogether. How many people in your analyst class had kids? For me: zero. Associates? Maybe 5%. VPs? Maybe 15-25%. Look at those (anecdotal) numbers, would that suggest "diversity"? I'm basically waiting for someone to say "nah most people at my group have kids at associate" or "Buncha people in my analyst class had kids at the time." I just don't see it.

This forum is obsessed w diversity. I am trying to provide an angle on the types of people I don't see much that (theoretically) could be there.

  • Associate 1 in PE - Other
Jul 1, 2021 - 9:24pm

you're making up categories like ESPN makes up shitty sports stats. 

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Jul 2, 2021 - 6:42am

The rarest diversity in the US is obviously full-blooded New England Indian, you got like 100 of them left.

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Jul 2, 2021 - 10:17am

You are missing the point. There are an infinite number of groups (the obvious ones are  race, religion, gender; but if you're counting 'under 25 with kids' as a group, then there's an infinite number of groups like people who are fans of the Carolina Panthers, or people who don't like Taylor Swift, or people who have visited Argentina, or people who's index finger is between 3.1 and 3.2 inches long, or people who were born in Wyoming) and obviously some of those groups are rare. It's ridiculous to think we need to seek out diversity across all those infinite possible traits, though. No one thinks society is discriminating against people who were born in Wyoming or people who don't like Taylor Swift.

   The belief of the diversity supporters is that some traits (particularly race) affect your self-identity far more than others, and also people with that trait often have the deck stacked against them in todays society and we should try to correct that, partly out of fairness and partly to get different viewpoints.

You can disagree with that belief, and that's ok. But no honest person could claim that logic applies to diversity for people who enjoy a particular football team, even if they are under-represented in your office. You're trying to prove a point (I actually agree with you that many diversity efforts have gone too far), but your specific argument is kindof silly. 

Jul 2, 2021 - 11:01am

There's a reason for this...

people are spending their 20s investing in their careers instead of their families.

ive moved to a completely different city every single year since college for work, and im 26. guess how easy it is to maintain a serious relationship while doing that? not easy. 

I would love to start having kids before 30 but without unless i get into and stay in a relationship in the next year i doubt it will happen

  • Intern in IB - Cov
Jul 2, 2021 - 2:36pm

I would say Brazilians who apply to programs that only count "Hispanic" and not "Latino"

Weird how someone from Spain would qualify at a place like that. I think that's how MS views it 

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