MSF chances and questions

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Hi guys,
I'm planning on applying to MSF programs and want to know what my chances are at a top program. I'm interested in:
-Vanderbilt
-Texas
-WashU(CF track)
-NOVA
-Boston college
-OSU

Probably in that order in terms of preference. My top goal first year out the program is Investment banking, but I'd be happy with a good corporate finance job if I can't get into IB. Correct me if I'm wrong but all of the schools above place in IB fairly well. What are my chances of getting into these schools?

-3.4 GPA, BBA in ECON (non-target, large public school)
-GMAT 660-680 (realistic expectation, but haven't taken yet)
-PWM BB internship
-Econ club
-Financial management club
-Study abroad one semester in Europe
-Domestic student
Also had five W's freshman year. Will that hurt me much?

Region: 
All Europe
United States - South
United States - Northeast

Comments (14)

May 15, 2015

no schools are typical IB feeders.
WUSTL CF track is much harder to get in
That PWM internship is nice. But better use it to translate a FT offer than MSF offer
nontarget state schools have many types. It can range from AAU Schools to nobody in the south/north central
Assuming it's >80 in the USNews national ranking, Forget WashU UT and Vandy. You'll possibly look like a full-priced mark to receive entry at Nova etc. to cover others' scholarships

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May 16, 2015

WUSTL CF track is easier to get into than their quant track, but I know it's still a reach. So UT, Vandy, and WashU will throw my app out because my school isn't ranked in the top 80? Anybody get into their MSF programs from a lower ranked school?

May 16, 2015
ja21:

WUSTL CF track is easier to get into than their quant track, but I know it's still a reach. So UT, Vandy, and WashU will throw my app out because my school isn't ranked in the top 80? Anybody get into their MSF programs from a lower ranked school?

Well I got into all of those schools with scholarship money and I had worse stats than you (3.1 GPA, 660 GMAT). I would say out of my class there were 40% that wanted IB and 80% of those going for it ended up with offers. The others that did not get IB offers just panicked and took what they could get or whatever their backup plan was. Everybody who stayed 100% committed to IB eventually got a job even if it was 3 months after graduating.

May 18, 2015

People from my school have gone off to Wash U and Bocconni. My school is't even in the top 100.

For the OP. Your GPA is okay. It will get you into a lot of schools but you'll be in the middle 50% of applicants. However, if you can get your GMAT around 700+, you'll be placing yourself into a much better situation.

Don't throw out your applications, that's just nonsense.

May 18, 2015
Scott Patrick:

People from my school have gone off to Wash U and Bocconni. My school is't even in the top 100.

For the OP. Your GPA is okay. It will get you into a lot of schools but you'll be in the middle 50% of applicants. However, if you can get your GMAT around 700+, you'll be placing yourself into a much better situation.

Don't throw out your applications, that's just nonsense.

I principally agree with you, but I'm just saying that washU's 2012 published admit rate for MSF is 9%....And MSFs always have a huge crowd of technically-trained Chinese/Indian who will compete with high-fly GPA and GMATs.

it's not like no-name schools do not have the chance, but if you don't have any highlights, then you cant get in. Either GPA, or GMAT, or some outstanding work experience (and PWM is nice but not necessarily outstanding), you'd waste $100 for the application fee and possibly more $$$ on application, time, GMAT tests and prepration.

If you always only look at the rewards from upside (getting admitted) but ignore the realistic probability of getting admitted, then you'll find MS applications to be always worth it---you're never denied before you're notified.

May 16, 2015

have no idea what @whattherock" is talking about. Apply to all your schools with confidence.

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May 16, 2015

@BobTheBaker
say anything you want, but let me say what I see. I'm in C track and the placement/stats are definitely brighter than Q track alright. Q track are also overwhelmingly international students from very good schools.

While you should always apply to anywhere with confidence (otherwise, why apply?!), you should fairly look at your chances to build a list for reach/target/safety.

@jss09 WashU SMP doesn't have any money. but still congrats. I'll say that you CAN get into nice MSFs without stats, but you got to prove it somewhere. Whether in academic rigor or internships, you may have proven your ability through non-academic spotlights. My GMAT is under 700, but my GPA, major and UG rep helped me prove my abilities. And throw in my multiple internships and FT work.

@ja21 I don't mean to beat you on the spot on school ranks or not. But what I saw is you don't have something spectacular to support your candidacy. If you have, list them! It's a business program and it's not typical STEM program that you can enter with solid rec and rocking GRE.

any MSF wouldn't want cheap graduates to destroy their rep, and you need to build confidence for Admissions somewhere. Feel free to PM me, I'd love to help, but I'll say with everything you had on this page, it is potentially not enough.

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May 17, 2015
whattherock:

@BobTheBaker
say anything you want, but let me say what I see. I'm in C track and the placement/stats are definitely brighter than Q track alright. Q track are also overwhelmingly international students from very good schools.

While you should always apply to anywhere with confidence (otherwise, why apply?!), you should fairly look at your chances to build a list for reach/target/safety.

@jss09 WashU SMP doesn't have any money. but still congrats. I'll say that you CAN get into nice MSFs without stats, but you got to prove it somewhere. Whether in academic rigor or internships, you may have proven your ability through non-academic spotlights. My GMAT is under 700, but my GPA, major and UG rep helped me prove my abilities. And throw in my multiple internships and FT work.

@ja21 I don't mean to beat you on the spot on school ranks or not. But what I saw is you don't have something spectacular to support your candidacy. If you have, list them! It's a business program and it's not typical STEM program that you can enter with solid rec and rocking GRE.

any MSF wouldn't want cheap graduates to destroy their rep, and you need to build confidence for Admissions somewhere. Feel free to PM me, I'd love to help, but I'll say with everything you had on this page, it is potentially not enough.

Oh yeah, I didnt apply to Wash - just Vandy, Villanova, UT. My undergrad was at a large state school that is completely unranked with zero OCR so I had almost no academic rigor to speak of when coupled with my 3.1 GPA and 660. I had one internship in PWM.

May 17, 2015

@jss09 Glad to see that you got into those schools with similar stats and it looks like they create a great opportunity to get into IB. I'll be happy to get into one of the schools you did ("Vandy, Villanova, UT).
and @jss09 I think my reach/target/safety list would be:
reach: Vandy, UT, WashU, CMC, Duke (MMS)
Target: Nova, OSU
Safety: Texas a&m,
My philosophy is that by applying to 8+ schools, one good school will accept me. It's funny and probably somewhat pathetic, but it makes sense. I mean, I have some chance at all of the schools listed. Lets say I have a average of a 20% chance at all of the my "reach" schools and I apply to 5 of them, then odds are that I'll get into one of them. 67% to get into a "reach" to be exact. I have absolutely no preference on location, I just want to work in a city lol.

May 17, 2015

The key of your app is not to appeal MSF admissions and show-off your laundry list; Your app is the same like an interview---how your skills fit the MSF program you apply and how the MSF fit your goals.

I'm glad that you realize that your calculation for chances are comical---admits tend to earn offers from multiple programs applied, and denials often come in bunches too. At the minimum, you should expect admit decisions to be independent and thus should not be added together without expanding your denominator...

refer to Binomial distribution for your chances calculation......assuming each school has 20% admit chance, you have more than 20% from applying more programs, but definitely less than 67%.

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May 17, 2015

I think you have a decent shot at the schools you listed. I will be going to Vandy MSF this fall, feel free to PM.

May 17, 2015
ja21:

Hi guys,
I'm planning on applying to MSF programs and want to know what my chances are at a top program. I'm interested in:
-Vanderbilt
-Texas
-WashU(CF track)
-NOVA
-Boston college
-OSU
Probably in that order in terms of preference. My top goal first year out the program is Investment banking, but I'd be happy with a good corporate finance job if I can't get into IB. Correct me if I'm wrong but all of the schools above place in IB fairly well. What are my chances of getting into these schools?
-3.4 GPA, BBA in ECON (non-target, large public school)
-GMAT 660-680 (realistic expectation, but haven't taken yet)
-PWM BB internship
-Econ club
-Financial management club
-Study abroad one semester in Europe
-Domestic student
Also had five W's freshman year. Will that hurt me much?

GMAT MSF MMS

With these stats you'll be a competitive applicant at all the schools. I'd say Vanderbilt and WUSTL will be hardest to get into with your profile. Being a domestic helps. If your GMAT comes in at the higher range I think you'll get into most of the schools you listed.

May 17, 2015

You have a solid shot at all the programs listed including WUSTL and Vandy. At this point, it really depends on (a) getting your GMAT closer to 680 rather than 660 and (b) how well you interview. The importance of the latter is frequently understated and underestimated. With respect to the quality of UG programs represented at WUSTL's MSF, there wasn't a single candidate that went to a super prestigious school (though the quant track had individuals from the LSE, Berkeley, etc.). I went to Hofstra University - a super non target (though I had a very strong GPA).

May 19, 2015
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