MSF Class of 2020

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Every year I do a post like this on about this date for students seeking admission. Most MSF/MMS program start their application cycle around this time so it is usually helpful. Prior years Q&A are listed below.

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Jan 30, 2019

Which masters program is best for setting up a career in the HF space?

Feb 1, 2019

A top MBA. Maybe a MFE at a top school if you want to get into program trading or something of the sort.

An MSF isn't going to help you go directly into a HF. Maybe after banking.

Jan 31, 2019

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Every year I do a post like this on about this date for students seeking admission. Most MSF/MMS program start their application cycle around this time so it is usually helpful. Prior years Q&A are listed below.

https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o... https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o...
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What's up TNA?
I ll share with you my profile:
GMAT 700
Gpa 29.14/30 (basically a 4/4 ) from an italian public uni (not renowned)
internship: 12 weeks in a local accounting firm; 10 weeks summer internship in a IT/Energy consulting agency in Rome; 8 weeks (ongoing) in a local consumer landing company (i wanted to do sth at a more prestigious company, such as a BIG 4, but I can't move to Milan/rome atm because of Exams.

Miscellanous extracurriculars: student representative in the economics department, Rotaract (founder, member and secretary), student economics association, mentee at Mentors4U (biggest merit-based menoring company in Europe).

I was searching for a good msc finance (or even Master in Management, if the placement in the financial sector is decent) in Europe (don't think it is worth it to go to the US now, expect for MIT/Princeton/UCLA/UCB but I am not qualified enough). Do you have any suggestions?
Cheers

Jan 31, 2019
TNA:

Every year I do a post like this on about this date for students seeking admission. Most MSF/MMS program start their application cycle around this time so it is usually helpful. Prior years Q&A are listed below.

https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o... https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o...
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o... https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o...
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o...
Ground Rules:

1) I will only answer questions from students.
2) I will answer only once. If someone has additional questions, PM me.
3) Visit my site - Masters in Finance HQ

What's up TNA?
I ll share with you my profile:
GMAT 700
Gpa 29.14/30 (basically a 4/4 ) from an italian public uni (not renowned)
internship: 12 weeks in a local accounting firm; 10 weeks summer internship in a IT/Energy consulting agency in Rome; 8 weeks (ongoing) in a local consumer landing company (i wanted to do sth at a more prestigious company, such as a BIG 4, but I can't move to Milan/rome atm because of Exams.
Miscellanous extracurriculars: student representative in the economics department, Rotaract (founder, member and secretary), student economics association, mentee at Mentors4U (biggest merit-based menoring company in Europe).
I was searching for a good msc finance (or even Master in Management, if the placement in the financial sector is decent) in Europe (don't think it is worth it to go to the US now, expect for MIT/Princeton/UCLA/UCB but I am not qualified enough). Do you have any suggestions?
Cheers

Feb 3, 2019

Sorry for missing this.

Strong GMAT. Great GPA. Relevant internships. I would apply to MIT, but definitely look at Bocconi, SSE, RSM, LBS (MiM or MFA), LSE, etc. Your profile is very strong and European programs look heavily at class rank as well as GMAT. I think at the level you are at you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting into most schools.

Good luck!

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Feb 5, 2019
TNA:

Sorry for missing this.

Strong GMAT. Great GPA. Relevant internships. I would apply to MIT, but definitely look at Bocconi, SSE, RSM, LBS (MiM or MFA), LSE, etc. Your profile is very strong and European programs look heavily at class rank as well as GMAT. I think at the level you are at you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting into most schools.

Good luck!

No worries TNA. Thank you for your help! I don't think I have the credentials to get into MIT, it is not a problem tho, they've closed the application round. What schools do you recommend in Europe? LSE/LBS/Imperial/SSE/Bocconi/HEC/ESCP/ESSEC ? Others?

Thanks again!

Feb 5, 2019

Honestly, all the top programs. You have a very strong profile. A buddy of mine basically got a full ride scholarship to Bocconi with a 720 GMAT and a 3.5GPA from a good, but not great US school. You are right in that range yourself.

Euro programs look at class rank as a main factor with admissions. Not sure where you'd fall, but you basically have a 4.0GPA so I would imagine you'd be pretty high. The 700 GMAT is within the class profile range as well.

You'd have to decide how much you consider BREXIT to be a fear and if you'd prefer to study in continental Europe vs. the UK.

Feb 5, 2019
TNA:

Honestly, all the top programs. You have a very strong profile. A buddy of mine basically got a full ride scholarship to Bocconi with a 720 GMAT and a 3.5GPA from a good, but not great US school. You are right in that range yourself.

Euro programs look at class rank as a main factor with admissions. Not sure where you'd fall, but you basically have a 4.0GPA so I would imagine you'd be pretty high. The 700 GMAT is within the class profile range as well.

You'd have to decide how much you consider BREXIT to be a fear and if you'd prefer to study in continental Europe vs. the UK.

I prefer UK. Top 1% of my class.

Feb 5, 2019
TNA:

Honestly, all the top programs. You have a very strong profile. A buddy of mine basically got a full ride scholarship to Bocconi with a 720 GMAT and a 3.5GPA from a good, but not great US school. You are right in that range yourself.

Euro programs look at class rank as a main factor with admissions. Not sure where you'd fall, but you basically have a 4.0GPA so I would imagine you'd be pretty high. The 700 GMAT is within the class profile range as well.

You'd have to decide how much you consider BREXIT to be a fear and if you'd prefer to study in continental Europe vs. the UK.

I wanted to apply also to vandy, Virginia, USC and Wustl but I ve just realised that the admission is closed for international applicants

Feb 5, 2019

I would email admissions. Exceptions are made all the time. Worst thing they can say is no.

Feb 5, 2019
TNA:

I would email admissions. Exceptions are made all the time. Worst thing they can say is no.

Thank you for your kind help TNA. I got one more question tho: what do you think about MSMS (master in management studies) at Kellogg? How d you compare it with other programmes in the US (eg Virginia)and in Europe (eg LBS/Hec etc)?
Thanks in advance

Feb 5, 2019
TNA:

Honestly, all the top programs. You have a very strong profile. A buddy of mine basically got a full ride scholarship to Bocconi with a 720 GMAT and a 3.5GPA from a good, but not great US school. You are right in that range yourself.

Euro programs look at class rank as a main factor with admissions. Not sure where you'd fall, but you basically have a 4.0GPA so I would imagine you'd be pretty high. The 700 GMAT is within the class profile range as well.

You'd have to decide how much you consider BREXIT to be a fear and if you'd prefer to study in continental Europe vs. the UK.

I wanted to apply also to vandy, Virginia, USC and Wustl but I ve just realised that the admission is closed for international applicants

Feb 4, 2019

Hey TNA - connected with you before on private msg but would like a second take from you regarding future applications.

GPA: 3.7 from Canadian undergrad business program

GMAT: haven't written but aiming for 700+

Work: 2+ years in S&T at one of the big Canadian banks. Currently on a volatility trading desk. Could obtain good references from desks I worked on

Extracurricular: heavy involvement in finance clubs back in school with leadership position; at work mostly some mentorship / campus recruiting stuff

Goal: buyside opportunities in the US or move to a better brand name on the sell side. Given currnet visa situaiton, I heard that grad school in US is an easy way to transition to the US

In your opinion, is it better for me to go for a top MFin/MFE program or a top MBA if buyside is ultimate goal? I've done some math in undergrad but don't think I meet the hurdle for more quanty programs like Berkeley or Princeton.

Many thx!

Feb 4, 2019

You have the GPA and top tier work experience that an MBA would look for. Id say work another year and get that GMAT score booked and do an MBA. The MSF would be a waste for you and the MFE would really only benefit you if being a quant was your goal.

Feb 4, 2019

Hey, TNA

I just got a rejection email from Oxford's Said Business School regarding my application to their MSc Financial Economics program.

My stats:
US State School (Florida)
Undergrad Major: Quantitative Economics and Econometrics
Minor: Computer Science
GPA: 3.8
GMAT: 760 (q49, v44) IR8 AWA5
WE: 6-month off-cycle IB internship (will be 6 months by matriculation)

I'm mostly disappointed, but I'm confused as well. The email said they don't offer feedback, so I guess I'd just appreciate some input on how/why I wasn't even invited to interview.

Edit: To make matters more confusing, I just received an invite to interview at MIT. Go figure. I reckon I should not have listed the other schools I was applying to. Perhaps applying in the second round also had an impact.

Feb 4, 2019

I'm quite certain that the fact that you applied to MIT as well had absolutely no influence on the outcome, but congrats on MIT! Great place as well.

To answer your question (although I'm not TNA):

-Your quant score is a bit low for the MFE (Oxford recommends 90th percentile, which is effectively a 51).

-Your work experience isn't great compared to the average admit (I assume the IB internship isn't at a BB, since you don't mention it). If you look at people admitted to the MFE, most have several internships within IB/consulting/PE, and many of them have an internship at a BB within IB/Markets.

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Feb 4, 2019

This is incredibly helpful. Thank you. I hope I do not come across as thinking my application was flawless; I do not believe that. The areas you mentioned are areas I was concerned about before I applied, but I guess I convinced myself that they wouldn't matter that much. I addressed the lack of elite WE in my personal statement. q49 irked me so much that if you saw me just after I'd taken the exam, you'd have thought I bombed it - I also thought my undergrad coursework would compensate. These are valid points. I appreciate you offering your perspective.

Feb 5, 2019

I get your logic, but his GMAT score is almost a full 20 points above the class average. I've yet to see a 3.8GPA be below a class average (MIT has a 3.7 avg). His major was quantitative and with a GPA like he has, you can assume that the math classes were most likely A or in that range.

We will never know, but I don't think the raw application scores got him dinged. Could be in the recommendations, essays or something else.

Feb 4, 2019

Probably dinged you for being American. On paper, you have more than what's required.

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Feb 5, 2019

Dude, fuck them. You have a 3.8GPA in a hard major. A great GMAT and a banking internship. Focus on school with less snobbery.

MIT is great. I'd apply to Vanderbilt as well as push for a large scholarship. I'd imagine you got dinged because of the Florida state school aspect. Consider yourself lucky.

Feb 6, 2019

Yeah, I'm mostly past it to be honest. It just caught me off-guard, and nobody likes to be rejected, I guess lol. Furthermore, I received an interview invite from LBS earlier today, so I can't really afford to dwell on Oxford's decision.

Thanks for your response, mate. You're doing God's work on these forums.

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Feb 4, 2019

Hi
I am an Econ student at a top UK university (LSE/Camb/Oxford).

GMAT: 700+ (am yet to take it) & I'm averaging a First Class Honours (I think its the equivalent of a 3.8+ GPA but unsure)

Internships: I will be at an MM IB firm this Summer as my first internship in London. I did Spring weeks at DB and GS although I doubt these short experiences matter.

In terms of extracurriculars, I did a research project in finance in China last Summer and am a volunteer teacher at a disadvantaged school in London.

I know my university gives me a good shot of IB and other roles in London but I want to do an MFin/MFE in the US for the visa and to spend time living abroad. Schools like MIT/Princeton/Cornell would be ideal but I will also maybe apply to LSE/Oxford too.
My long term goal is to work in the US and I think an American MFin would be a good step to achieve this. Would I have a chance at top schools like Princeton/MIT? Even with just one Summer's work experience?

Thank you!

Feb 5, 2019

If you score in the mid 700's, I would think you'd be a very good fit for MIT. I don't really focus on Princeton since I consider it more of a MBA substitute. Historically, whenever I would look at resumes or the profile of students in the program, almost all I would see would have 3-5 years work experience.

That being said, the webpage only says you should have a couple of internships, which you do. I would encourage you to apply, but focus on your GMAT and make sure you get it high enough. Both US programs are very very competitive.

Feb 5, 2019

Thank you!

Feb 5, 2019

Hi TNA,

How would you rank the MSF programs (Oxford Masters in Financial Economics, LBS MFA, MIT MFin, LSE MSF/MSFE) if I am aiming for IBD post graduation?

Thanks in advance.

Feb 5, 2019
boomshockalocka:

Hi TNA,

How would you rank the MSF programs (Oxford Masters in Financial Economics, LBS MFA, MIT MFin, LSE MSF/MSFE) if I am aiming for IBD post graduation?

Thanks in advance.

If you want to stay in Europe, Oxford MFE is prolly the best (it's more quantitative than the other 2 and it is way tougher to get in), but LSE/LBS/OXF are in the same tier when it comes to IB (all great schools)
For US obviously MIT

(these are all top notch programmes, so if you get accepted by one of them go for it!)

Feb 5, 2019

I concur.

Feb 5, 2019

Thank you. However, I've heard that the OX MFE employment report is a bit lackluster compared to that of MIT MFin or LBS MFA. What would you say about that? And I've also heard that LBS MFA is tougher to get in than Oxford MFE.(I have a friend who got into both and chose LBS in the end and heard that a few MFE Class of 2019 did not get into LBS MFA.)

Feb 5, 2019

Thank you. However, I've heard that the OX MFE employment report is a bit lackluster compared to that of MIT MFin or LBS MFA. What would you say about that? And I've also heard that LBS MFA is tougher to get in than Oxford MFE.(I have a friend who got into both and chose LBS in the end and heard that a few MFE Class of 2019 did not get into LBS MFA.)

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Feb 5, 2019
boomshockalocka:

Thank you. However, I've heard that the OX MFE employment report is a bit lackluster compared to that of MIT MFin or LBS MFA. What would you say about that? And I've also heard that LBS MFA is tougher to get in than Oxford MFE.(I have a friend who got into both and chose LBS in the end and heard that a few MFE Class of 2019 did not get into LBS MFA.)

I would say it is hard to get in both.. I think that they opted for LBS because of the workload and the alumni network (less quant-heavy and less burden than Oxf). Consider also that the MFA has probably a bigger network, LBS is much more respected than Said for its MBA.
JM2C

Feb 6, 2019

Thank you so much! How do you think the MIT MFin candidates are placed for US-based IBD roles? I'm concerned that MSF-banking is not a traditional path in the US and the recruiters may value MSF much, compared to undergrad schools. I saw that most of candidates got their IBD offers in Asia but very few in the US. However, MSF is more popular in EMEA and I think Oxford MFE is competitive if I want to work in London.

Feb 6, 2019
boomshockalocka:

Thank you so much! How do you think the MIT MFin candidates are placed for US-based IBD roles? I'm concerned that MSF-banking is not a traditional path in the US and the recruiters may value MSF much, compared to undergrad schools. I saw that most of candidates got their IBD offers in Asia but very few in the US. However, MSF is more popular in EMEA and I think Oxford MFE is competitive if I want to work in London.

Idk about us.
Oxford will definitely give you a substantial edge in LDN and yes, Msf and MIM are way more established and popular in Europe (don't know about Middle East etc.)

Feb 6, 2019

Hi TNA,

I would be an international student and I am looking to get into IB or AM post MSF in the US. I applied to Rochester, SMU, WUSTL, BU, Vanderbilt, Baruch (haven't submitted app yet) and Duke (MQM: BA). Have received acceptances from SMU and Rochester so far. Rochester offered me a 60% scholarship as well after which I asked SMU to match the offer. Last Friday, they said that they would re-assess my application for scholarship. But I am really not sure if I should go with Rochester at all because they usually focus on sending their international students back to their home countries and I want to be working in the US.

Vanderbilt has rejected me so far and I am awaiting decisions for the rest.

Thank you, in advance.

Feb 6, 2019
Farwa-Ismail:

Hi TNA,

I would be an international student and I am looking to get into IB or AM post MSF in the US. I applied to Rochester, SMU, WUSTL, BU, Vanderbilt, Baruch (haven't submitted app yet) and Duke (MQM: BA). Have received acceptances from SMU and Rochester so far. Rochester offered me a 60% scholarship as well after which I asked SMU to match the offer. Last Friday, they said that they would re-assess my application for scholarship. But I am really not sure if I should go with Rochester at all because they usually focus on sending their international students back to their home countries and I want to be working in the US.

Vanderbilt has rejected me so far and I am awaiting decisions for the rest.

Thank you, in advance.

Can you pls share which apps for msf in the us are still open for international students?

Feb 7, 2019

As far as I remember, Baruch, Ohio State and Boston college still have their apps open for international students. There might be others as well but most close their apps for international students in January.

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Feb 7, 2019
Farwa-Ismail:

As far as I remember, Baruch, Ohio State and Boston college still have their apps open for international students. There might be others as well but most close their apps for international students in January.

Thanks!

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Feb 6, 2019

International with that scholarship. I'd go Rochester. SMU is great for Dallas and if you were domestic, I'd probably encourage you to look at SMU closer, but Rochester has a good brand both here and overseas. It's been around for a long time and has plenty of alumni, including a lot of international students who you can network with. It's relatively close to NYC I suppose and that scholarship brings the cost way down. Plus it's STEM.

Feb 12, 2019

Hi TNA,

I'm an international in a similar situation. I went to a non-target small lib arts college but I have good work experience. I graduated last year with Economics and Computer Science and currently working in MO in Oil & Gas sector. I think I was just late in finding my passion and now want to pursue finance.

I've been considering MSF at Fordham among the ones previously listed. What are your thoughts? I don't have stellar grades but its above a 3.0.

Feb 12, 2019

Fordham has a big class. I'd suggest you aim for a slightly higher than class average GMAT. That being said, you have work experience and went to a US school. The Fordham program is largely international FYI.

Feb 12, 2019

Thank you for the quick response. I've been prepping for the GRE, should I switch to the GMAT? I thought they are considered the same for MS programs.

Is it detrimental to be in a largely international MSF program? I forgot to mention I was raised overseas and a Canadian citizen.

I was also considering Baruch, ideally I'd want a higher ranking school but I think I'd have to wait till next year...

Feb 12, 2019

I don't think adcoms care. If you had a liberal arts background and limited quant classes, the GMAT might help. Otherwise, GRE is cheaper.

A huge international class can turn off domestic students. Not everyone feels comfortable being in a class where almost everyone is ESL. Historic placements also hurt because it's harder to place students.

That being said, teachers are the same and the school is known in the NYC area.

Feb 12, 2019

My original plan was to just stick it out until I qualify for an MBA, but the visa issue has become a great barrier, thankfully I can extend my OPT due to my STEM degree so I have more time.

I figure I bite the bullet and get into a decent/good MSF, get a stellar GPA and second chance at recruiting... MBA can wait.

Feb 6, 2019

Hi TNA,
I would like to share my profile which is a bit long, sorry about that.
Background: International student (not EU), currently a student at a target/semi-target uni in the UK. Think Bristol, Bath, Durham, Warwick, studying Economics & Mathematics. I am currently on my 3rd year out of 4 in London doing a 12 month placement in AM in one of the largest private banks in Europe (so i will finish it summer 2019). Grade : 72% average after two years which transfers to GPA 4.
I have also passed CFA level 1 this December.
I really want to work in New York as soon as possible but i understand that is is very difficult given that i literary don't know anyone there.
In my mind there are two options, get a graduate job in a BB bank in London and then try to move internally to NY after some time. I believe i have relatively good chances to get a graduate job in a large bank in London, but again i don't have visa. Any thoughts about it?
Second option is to get top masters and try to get a job straight away in NY after it. I was considering LSE, LBS, Imperial , Oxbridge (if we are talking UK) but i don't know if then i will have a good chance to get a job in NY? I believe that i need to do master in USA (yes i will need to do GMAT, but i believe i can get >700), because recruiting there is heavily based on networking and i literally need to be there to meet people ( so even great UK Brand uni might not help). Based on my little research so far, most of the master programs in US are financial engineering, but i don't want to go heavy on maths. I think MIT has a program which is not very quantitative. What are my chances to get a top masters in finance in US? What programs do you think i should consider?
Should i even do masters now or go for the first option and do my best to get a graduate job in London and then move internally?
Eventually i want to end up in some L/S Equity, Special Situation hedge fund, so i was targeting IB or AM.

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Feb 7, 2019

My advice would be to work in London or do a top UK MSF and work in London at a global bank. Transfer internally or professionally network and look to relocate.

Apply to MIT if you want as it is a free option. Other than that, you have USC, Vanderbilt and WUSTL as the main MSF's in the US with a top brand. USC is west coast focused so it wont solve your lack of a NY network. Vandy and WUSTL aren't close to NY either so same problem. And if you need to go back overseas, none will really help you outside the US.

You have work experience and a London network. You went to a UK school. Take the path of least resistance.

Feb 11, 2019

Thank you for your advice!

Feb 12, 2019

I have received an interview invite from LBS Master of Financial Analysis. I was wondering if there is anyone who can share their insights about the interview process. What kind of questions should expect? are there any situational/behavioural based questions? Do they reject a lot of people at the interview stage?
Profile :
Background:
GPA:3.36
Double Majors Accounting & Finance from a Top B-school in the country (Pakistan)
CFA L1, Candidate CFA L2 in June 2019
Exp:
I am working as an Analyst (corporate finance advisory) with clients in the GCC region.
duration: September 2018- present
Internship
1. MicroFinance Bank.
2. Multinational Transportation Company
3. Compliance intern at a local Asset management firm. managing RS-60Bn

Feb 13, 2019

I will let alumni comment, but rejection from the interview stage is going to be less than from the application stage. Have an articulate reason why LBS and be able to discuss your resume. Consider this a job interview without technical questions.

Feb 12, 2019

Hi TNA. Thank you for your insights.

My profile:
GMAT 700
GPA 3.7 from Baruch College in NYC (In the Honors program for the business school)
Major: Statistics and Quantitative (2)Minors: Mathematics & Finance/Economics
Internship: 2 Months for Bloomberg L.P doing risk analysis (not finance related)
Extracurriculars: Leadership positions in multiple finance clubs and elite programs, founder of financial quant/engineering club, community service for students with mental health disorders

I was searching for a MSF or MFE program but am not sure if I am qualified. I would love to attend MFE at Baruch, stony brook, NYU, or Cornell. Do you think I have a shot? What are your recommendations for me to apply to? What else can I do to give myself a better shot at these schools?

Thank you so much!

Feb 13, 2019

I'd consider you a strong applicant for most MFE programs. High GPA (in the Honors School) with a quant major/minor. Baruch is a respected and known school. Good EC's and some work experience with a known firm.

Apply where you want. You should be in the top bracket of applicants.

Feb 13, 2019

Hey TNA.

I'm not looking for a specific profile evaluation, but rather some advice on where to go!

I'm 22, Irish, graduating from a top Irish Uni, with a 770 GMAT.

I've been admitted to Oxford MFE, HEC MIF (with 20k scholarship), Notre Dame Business Analytics (30k+ scholarship), and have my interviews for both MIT MFin and MBan next week.

I've interned at JPM and have an internship at an infrastructure advisory investment bank this Summer. The goal is HF in quant strategy or similar (Citadel a main target for now).

I always had MIT first on my list and Oxford second, but the scholarships from the other two schools have turned my head. I'm open to working anywhere, initially thought London was most likely but definitely not against a move to the US.

Any thoughts or comments would be much appreciated!

Cheers,
D

Feb 13, 2019

MIT and Oxford are where you should try and go. HEC is a top school in Europe though, although I would consider their brand recognition to be lower than MIT and Oxford.

ND - Safety. Great school and brand, but not at the same tier as the others.

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