MSF Class of 2020

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Every year I do a post like this on about this date for students seeking admission. Most MSF/MMS program start their application cycle around this time so it is usually helpful. Prior years Q&A are listed below.

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Jan 30, 2019

Which masters program is best for setting up a career in the HF space?

Feb 1, 2019

A top MBA. Maybe a MFE at a top school if you want to get into program trading or something of the sort.

An MSF isn't going to help you go directly into a HF. Maybe after banking.

Jan 31, 2019

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Every year I do a post like this on about this date for students seeking admission. Most MSF/MMS program start their application cycle around this time so it is usually helpful. Prior years Q&A are listed below.

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2) I will answer only once. If someone has additional questions, PM me.
3) Visit my site - Masters in Finance HQ

What's up TNA?
I ll share with you my profile:
GMAT 700
Gpa 29.14/30 (basically a 4/4 ) from an italian public uni (not renowned)
internship: 12 weeks in a local accounting firm; 10 weeks summer internship in a IT/Energy consulting agency in Rome; 8 weeks (ongoing) in a local consumer landing company (i wanted to do sth at a more prestigious company, such as a BIG 4, but I can't move to Milan/rome atm because of Exams.

Miscellanous extracurriculars: student representative in the economics department, Rotaract (founder, member and secretary), student economics association, mentee at Mentors4U (biggest merit-based menoring company in Europe).

I was searching for a good msc finance (or even Master in Management, if the placement in the financial sector is decent) in Europe (don't think it is worth it to go to the US now, expect for MIT/Princeton/UCLA/UCB but I am not qualified enough). Do you have any suggestions?
Cheers

Jan 31, 2019
TNA:

Every year I do a post like this on about this date for students seeking admission. Most MSF/MMS program start their application cycle around this time so it is usually helpful. Prior years Q&A are listed below.

https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o... https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o...
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o... https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o...
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/msf-class-o...
Ground Rules:

1) I will only answer questions from students.
2) I will answer only once. If someone has additional questions, PM me.
3) Visit my site - Masters in Finance HQ

What's up TNA?
I ll share with you my profile:
GMAT 700
Gpa 29.14/30 (basically a 4/4 ) from an italian public uni (not renowned)
internship: 12 weeks in a local accounting firm; 10 weeks summer internship in a IT/Energy consulting agency in Rome; 8 weeks (ongoing) in a local consumer landing company (i wanted to do sth at a more prestigious company, such as a BIG 4, but I can't move to Milan/rome atm because of Exams.
Miscellanous extracurriculars: student representative in the economics department, Rotaract (founder, member and secretary), student economics association, mentee at Mentors4U (biggest merit-based menoring company in Europe).
I was searching for a good msc finance (or even Master in Management, if the placement in the financial sector is decent) in Europe (don't think it is worth it to go to the US now, expect for MIT/Princeton/UCLA/UCB but I am not qualified enough). Do you have any suggestions?
Cheers

Feb 1, 2019

Sorry for missing this.

Strong GMAT. Great GPA. Relevant internships. I would apply to MIT, but definitely look at Bocconi, SSE, RSM, LBS (MiM or MFA), LSE, etc. Your profile is very strong and European programs look heavily at class rank as well as GMAT. I think at the level you are at you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting into most schools.

Good luck!

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Jan 31, 2019
TNA:

Sorry for missing this.

Strong GMAT. Great GPA. Relevant internships. I would apply to MIT, but definitely look at Bocconi, SSE, RSM, LBS (MiM or MFA), LSE, etc. Your profile is very strong and European programs look heavily at class rank as well as GMAT. I think at the level you are at you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting into most schools.

Good luck!

No worries TNA. Thank you for your help! I don't think I have the credentials to get into MIT, it is not a problem tho, they've closed the application round. What schools do you recommend in Europe? LSE/LBS/Imperial/SSE/Bocconi/HEC/ESCP/ESSEC ? Others?

Thanks again!

Feb 1, 2019

Honestly, all the top programs. You have a very strong profile. A buddy of mine basically got a full ride scholarship to Bocconi with a 720 GMAT and a 3.5GPA from a good, but not great US school. You are right in that range yourself.

Euro programs look at class rank as a main factor with admissions. Not sure where you'd fall, but you basically have a 4.0GPA so I would imagine you'd be pretty high. The 700 GMAT is within the class profile range as well.

You'd have to decide how much you consider BREXIT to be a fear and if you'd prefer to study in continental Europe vs. the UK.

Feb 4, 2019

Hey TNA - connected with you before on private msg but would like a second take from you regarding future applications.

GPA: 3.7 from Canadian undergrad business program

GMAT: haven't written but aiming for 700+

Work: 2+ years in S&T at one of the big Canadian banks. Currently on a volatility trading desk. Could obtain good references from desks I worked on

Extracurricular: heavy involvement in finance clubs back in school with leadership position; at work mostly some mentorship / campus recruiting stuff

Goal: buyside opportunities in the US or move to a better brand name on the sell side. Given currnet visa situaiton, I heard that grad school in US is an easy way to transition to the US

In your opinion, is it better for me to go for a top MFin/MFE program or a top MBA if buyside is ultimate goal? I've done some math in undergrad but don't think I meet the hurdle for more quanty programs like Berkeley or Princeton.

Many thx!

Feb 1, 2019

You have the GPA and top tier work experience that an MBA would look for. Id say work another year and get that GMAT score booked and do an MBA. The MSF would be a waste for you and the MFE would really only benefit you if being a quant was your goal.

Feb 4, 2019

Hey, TNA

I just got a rejection email from Oxford's Said Business School regarding my application to their MSc Financial Economics program.

My stats:
US public school
Undergrad Major: Quantitative Economics
Minor: CS
GPA: 3.8
GMAT: 760 (q49, v44) IR8 AWA5
WE: 6-month off-cycle IB internship (will be 6 months by matriculation)

I'm mostly disappointed, but I'm confused as well. The email said they don't offer feedback, so I guess I'd just appreciate some input on how/why I wasn't even invited to interview.

Edit: To make matters more confusing, I just received an invite to interview at MIT. Go figure. I reckon I should not have listed the other schools I was applying to. Perhaps applying in the second round also had an impact.

Update (03/13/19): Dinged at MIT. Messed up both the interview and quant assessment. I was ill-prepared and overcome with nerves lol.

@TNA any thoughts on LSE MSc Finance vs LBS MFA?

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Feb 4, 2019

I'm quite certain that the fact that you applied to MIT as well had absolutely no influence on the outcome, but congrats on MIT! Great place as well.

To answer your question (although I'm not TNA):

-Your quant score is a bit low for the MFE (Oxford recommends 90th percentile, which is effectively a 51).

-Your work experience isn't great compared to the average admit (I assume the IB internship isn't at a BB, since you don't mention it). If you look at people admitted to the MFE, most have several internships within IB/consulting/PE, and many of them have an internship at a BB within IB/Markets.

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Feb 4, 2019

This is incredibly helpful. Thank you. I hope I do not come across as thinking my application was flawless; I do not believe that. The areas you mentioned are areas I was concerned about before I applied, but I guess I convinced myself that they wouldn't matter that much. I addressed the lack of elite WE in my personal statement. q49 irked me so much that if you saw me just after I'd taken the exam, you'd have thought I bombed it - I also thought my undergrad coursework would compensate. These are valid points. I appreciate you offering your perspective.

Feb 1, 2019

I get your logic, but his GMAT score is almost a full 20 points above the class average. I've yet to see a 3.8GPA be below a class average (MIT has a 3.7 avg). His major was quantitative and with a GPA like he has, you can assume that the math classes were most likely A or in that range.

We will never know, but I don't think the raw application scores got him dinged. Could be in the recommendations, essays or something else.

Mar 22, 2019

I was at the open day for Oxford MFE in October and talked to the adcoms. If everything else of the application is great, they would be lenient on the GMAT requirement. So Q49 shouldn't have been the reason if you had great work experience. That's the impression they gave me because my quant score was lower than yours and they highlighted the companies I had internships at. I didn't apply in the end though.

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Feb 4, 2019

Probably dinged you for being American. On paper, you have more than what's required.

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Feb 1, 2019

Dude, fuck them. You have a 3.8GPA in a hard major. A great GMAT and a banking internship. Focus on school with less snobbery.

MIT is great. I'd apply to Vanderbilt as well as push for a large scholarship. I'd imagine you got dinged because of the Florida state school aspect. Consider yourself lucky.

Feb 4, 2019

Yeah, I'm mostly past it to be honest. It just caught me off-guard, and nobody likes to be rejected, I guess lol. Furthermore, I received an interview invite from LBS earlier today, so I can't really afford to dwell on Oxford's decision.

Thanks for your response, mate. You're doing God's work on these forums.

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Mar 13, 2019

What do you mean by quant assessment, first time hearing that? Could you please elaborate

Feb 4, 2019

It's a new level of evaluation. 10-minute quant assessment after the 30-minute interview. It's basic though; does not go deep at all. It just tests the fundamentals of the math required to succeed in the program.

Tbh, anyone that's made it to the interview stage really should not miss a single question, let alone two.

Don't know if they'll bump up the difficulty in later years, but my advice is to stay calm and, with extreme care, make sure you get every question right - because there's a high chance that your competition will.

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Feb 1, 2019

If you got an invite at MIT, I'd consider you would have good chances at LSE and LBS. You have great stats, just get your interview down.

Feb 4, 2019

Already in at LBS. Had a much better interview experience - learned a ton from my MIT disappointment. Still waiting on LSE though. Applied a bit late, but I should hear in a few days.

Would like to hear your opinion on LSE MSc Finance v LBS MFA. Just in case I have to make that decision.

Apr 11, 2019

Did you get offers from LSE and LBS?

Feb 4, 2019

Got, and accepted, an offer from LBS. No offer from LSE.

Feb 4, 2019

Hi
I am an Econ student at a top UK university (LSE/Camb/Oxford).

GMAT: 700+ (am yet to take it) & I'm averaging a First Class Honours (I think its the equivalent of a 3.8+ GPA but unsure)

Internships: I will be at an MM IB firm this Summer as my first internship in London. I did Spring weeks at DB and GS although I doubt these short experiences matter.

In terms of extracurriculars, I did a research project in finance in China last Summer and am a volunteer teacher at a disadvantaged school in London.

I know my university gives me a good shot of IB and other roles in London but I want to do an MFin/MFE in the US for the visa and to spend time living abroad. Schools like MIT/Princeton/Cornell would be ideal but I will also maybe apply to LSE/Oxford too.
My long term goal is to work in the US and I think an American MFin would be a good step to achieve this. Would I have a chance at top schools like Princeton/MIT? Even with just one Summer's work experience?

Thank you!

Feb 1, 2019

If you score in the mid 700's, I would think you'd be a very good fit for MIT. I don't really focus on Princeton since I consider it more of a MBA substitute. Historically, whenever I would look at resumes or the profile of students in the program, almost all I would see would have 3-5 years work experience.

That being said, the webpage only says you should have a couple of internships, which you do. I would encourage you to apply, but focus on your GMAT and make sure you get it high enough. Both US programs are very very competitive.

Feb 4, 2019

Thank you!

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Feb 5, 2019

Hi TNA,

How would you rank the MSF programs (Oxford Masters in Financial Economics, LBS MFA, MIT MFin, LSE MSF/MSFE) if I am aiming for IBD post graduation?

Thanks in advance.

Jan 31, 2019
boomshockalocka:

Hi TNA,

How would you rank the MSF programs (Oxford Masters in Financial Economics, LBS MFA, MIT MFin, LSE MSF/MSFE) if I am aiming for IBD post graduation?

Thanks in advance.

If you want to stay in Europe, Oxford MFE is prolly the best (it's more quantitative than the other 2 and it is way tougher to get in), but LSE/LBS/OXF are in the same tier when it comes to IB (all great schools)
For US obviously MIT

(these are all top notch programmes, so if you get accepted by one of them go for it!)

Feb 1, 2019

I concur.

Feb 5, 2019

Thank you. However, I've heard that the OX MFE employment report is a bit lackluster compared to that of MIT MFin or LBS MFA. What would you say about that? And I've also heard that LBS MFA is tougher to get in than Oxford MFE.(I have a friend who got into both and chose LBS in the end and heard that a few MFE Class of 2019 did not get into LBS MFA.)

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Feb 6, 2019

Hi TNA,

I would be an international student and I am looking to get into IB or AM post MSF in the US. I applied to Rochester, SMU, WUSTL, BU, Vanderbilt, Baruch (haven't submitted app yet) and Duke (MQM: BA). Have received acceptances from SMU and Rochester so far. Rochester offered me a 60% scholarship as well after which I asked SMU to match the offer. Last Friday, they said that they would re-assess my application for scholarship. But I am really not sure if I should go with Rochester at all because they usually focus on sending their international students back to their home countries and I want to be working in the US.

Vanderbilt has rejected me so far and I am awaiting decisions for the rest.

Thank you, in advance.

Jan 31, 2019
Farwa-Ismail:

Hi TNA,

I would be an international student and I am looking to get into IB or AM post MSF in the US. I applied to Rochester, SMU, WUSTL, BU, Vanderbilt, Baruch (haven't submitted app yet) and Duke (MQM: BA). Have received acceptances from SMU and Rochester so far. Rochester offered me a 60% scholarship as well after which I asked SMU to match the offer. Last Friday, they said that they would re-assess my application for scholarship. But I am really not sure if I should go with Rochester at all because they usually focus on sending their international students back to their home countries and I want to be working in the US.

Vanderbilt has rejected me so far and I am awaiting decisions for the rest.

Thank you, in advance.

Can you pls share which apps for msf in the us are still open for international students?

Feb 6, 2019

As far as I remember, Baruch, Ohio State and Boston college still have their apps open for international students. There might be others as well but most close their apps for international students in January.

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Feb 1, 2019

International with that scholarship. I'd go Rochester. SMU is great for Dallas and if you were domestic, I'd probably encourage you to look at SMU closer, but Rochester has a good brand both here and overseas. It's been around for a long time and has plenty of alumni, including a lot of international students who you can network with. It's relatively close to NYC I suppose and that scholarship brings the cost way down. Plus it's STEM.

Feb 12, 2019

Hi TNA,

I'm an international in a similar situation. I went to a non-target small lib arts college but I have good work experience. I graduated last year with Economics and Computer Science and currently working in MO in Oil & Gas sector. I think I was just late in finding my passion and now want to pursue finance.

I've been considering MSF at Fordham among the ones previously listed. What are your thoughts? I don't have stellar grades but its above a 3.0.

Apr 11, 2019

Hi TNA,
I would like to share my profile which is a bit long, sorry about that.
Background: International student (not EU), currently a student at a target/semi-target uni in the UK. Think Bristol, Bath, Durham, Warwick, studying Economics & Mathematics. I am currently on my 3rd year out of 4 in London doing a 12 month placement in AM in one of the largest private banks in Europe (so i will finish it summer 2019). Grade : 72% average after two years which transfers to GPA 4.
I have also passed CFA level 1 this December.
I really want to work in New York as soon as possible but i understand that is is very difficult given that i literary don't know anyone there.
In my mind there are two options, get a graduate job in a BB bank in London and then try to move internally to NY after some time. I believe i have relatively good chances to get a graduate job in a large bank in London, but again i don't have visa. Any thoughts about it?
Second option is to get top masters and try to get a job straight away in NY after it. I was considering LSE, LBS, Imperial , Oxbridge (if we are talking UK) but i don't know if then i will have a good chance to get a job in NY? I believe that i need to do master in USA (yes i will need to do GMAT, but i believe i can get >700), because recruiting there is heavily based on networking and i literally need to be there to meet people ( so even great UK Brand uni might not help). Based on my little research so far, most of the master programs in US are financial engineering, but i don't want to go heavy on maths. I think MIT has a program which is not very quantitative. What are my chances to get a top masters in finance in US? What programs do you think i should consider?
Should i even do masters now or go for the first option and do my best to get a graduate job in London and then move internally?
Eventually i want to end up in some L/S Equity, Special Situation hedge fund, so i was targeting IB or AM.

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Mar 22, 2019

No point doing an EMEA masters to try to recruit for the US.. best way forward is to re-apply to internships next year (LDN FT recruiting is unlikely to yield good results) and apply to masters programs as backups. Do your 1-2 years then try to get the nod for a lateral via L-1 to the US.

Apr 11, 2019

Thank for very much for ur advice! I agree that FT London recruiting
Is not likely to lead to good results because I haven't done any SA internship in IB and I believe most banks extend offers to summer analysts. I was thinking to apply for SA as a final year (so I will start applying this July for next year), but my main concern is that most or all banks say that SA is usually for a pernutimate year. Do you think I can still apply?

Feb 1, 2019

My advice would be to work in London or do a top UK MSF and work in London at a global bank. Transfer internally or professionally network and look to relocate.

Apply to MIT if you want as it is a free option. Other than that, you have USC, Vanderbilt and WUSTL as the main MSF's in the US with a top brand. USC is west coast focused so it wont solve your lack of a NY network. Vandy and WUSTL aren't close to NY either so same problem. And if you need to go back overseas, none will really help you outside the US.

You have work experience and a London network. You went to a UK school. Take the path of least resistance.

Apr 11, 2019

Thank you for your advice!

Feb 12, 2019

I have received an interview invite from LBS Master of Financial Analysis. I was wondering if there is anyone who can share their insights about the interview process. What kind of questions should expect? are there any situational/behavioural based questions? Do they reject a lot of people at the interview stage?
Profile :
Background:
GPA:3.36
Double Majors Accounting & Finance from a Top B-school in the country (Pakistan)
CFA L1, Candidate CFA L2 in June 2019
Exp:
I am working as an Analyst (corporate finance advisory) with clients in the GCC region.
duration: September 2018- present
Internship
1. MicroFinance Bank.
2. Multinational Transportation Company
3. Compliance intern at a local Asset management firm. managing RS-60Bn

Feb 1, 2019

I will let alumni comment, but rejection from the interview stage is going to be less than from the application stage. Have an articulate reason why LBS and be able to discuss your resume. Consider this a job interview without technical questions.

Feb 12, 2019

Hi TNA. Thank you for your insights.

My profile:
GMAT 700
GPA 3.7 from Baruch College in NYC (In the Honors program for the business school)
Major: Statistics and Quantitative (2)Minors: Mathematics & Finance/Economics
Internship: 2 Months for Bloomberg L.P doing risk analysis (not finance related)
Extracurriculars: Leadership positions in multiple finance clubs and elite programs, founder of financial quant/engineering club, community service for students with mental health disorders

I was searching for a MSF or MFE program but am not sure if I am qualified. I would love to attend MFE at Baruch, stony brook, NYU, or Cornell. Do you think I have a shot? What are your recommendations for me to apply to? What else can I do to give myself a better shot at these schools?

Thank you so much!

Feb 1, 2019

I'd consider you a strong applicant for most MFE programs. High GPA (in the Honors School) with a quant major/minor. Baruch is a respected and known school. Good EC's and some work experience with a known firm.

Apply where you want. You should be in the top bracket of applicants.

Feb 13, 2019

Hey TNA.

I'm not looking for a specific profile evaluation, but rather some advice on where to go!

I'm 22, Irish, graduating from a top Irish Uni, with a 770 GMAT.

I've been admitted to Oxford MFE, HEC MIF (with 20k scholarship), Notre Dame Business Analytics (30k+ scholarship), and have my interviews for both MIT MFin and MBan next week.

I've interned at JPM and have an internship at an infrastructure advisory investment bank this Summer. The goal is HF in quant strategy or similar (Citadel a main target for now).

I always had MIT first on my list and Oxford second, but the scholarships from the other two schools have turned my head. I'm open to working anywhere, initially thought London was most likely but definitely not against a move to the US.

Any thoughts or comments would be much appreciated!

Cheers,
D

Feb 1, 2019

MIT and Oxford are where you should try and go. HEC is a top school in Europe though, although I would consider their brand recognition to be lower than MIT and Oxford.

ND - Safety. Great school and brand, but not at the same tier as the others.

Feb 13, 2019

Thanks for the quick reply. Pretty similar line to my thinking, almost hoping for the reject from MIT to make the decision easier. A couple of other quick ones:

1) I know the Oxf vs MIT debate comes up all the time: any particular thoughts? Looking at HF/Quants long term, location doesn't really matter.

2) Advice on asking for scholarship money? MIT would set me back 100k plus all things considered - am I within my rights to play US Scholarship offers (ND) against them to try and get some cash? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks again for the help!

Feb 14, 2019

Hi TNA! I am an international student from south Asia. I am looking for master's programs in Europe and USA at the moment and preparing for GMAT at present. How do you view MSF program at Texas A&M for Houston jobs and in Texas job market as a whole? Is it considered as a target school in Texas?

Feb 1, 2019

The Texas A&M program updated their MSF program a few years back. Used to be really a 5 year program for TAMU students. Now it is a full fledged MSF.

UT Austin is still the best Texas program, with TAMU, SMU and Tulane being the next tier for Texas placements. You'll find a TON of TAMU alumni in the state and I am sure there will be a variety of good on campus options. That being said, front office placements from this program will largely depend on you and how you network, interview and take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves.

Feb 18, 2019

Hi! I am an international student from Asia as the above. I have applied to UT Austin's MSBA and MSF to get a job in the States after finishing the program. However, I am lack of information of which industries or companies sponsor international students for a job, and thus still have not decided which program to choose. Can you share your thoughts?

Feb 1, 2019

Sponsorship will be difficult. We have a tight labor market and sponsoring students for traditional finance jobs is an added cost when there are plenty of domestic students to fill roles.

I know there were a couple posts on WSO recently talking about which banks sponsor. I'd cast a very wide net if I were you. Your goal is to get sponsored and stay in the states. The dream job might have to be a long term goal.

Feb 21, 2019

Hey TNA?
I'll share you my profile:
Junior @ Small Private School in PA (non-target)
Major: Finance Minor: Economics
GPA: 3.66/4.0 Major GPA 3.93/4.0
GMAT:720
Internship: Nonprofit one summer, spring small Private Equity, Summer local accounting firm
Extracirricular: 2 division3 sports (one in spring/ one in fall), Finance Club President, Intramural Ref, Tutor, History Club
I have no clue how I stack up against competitors, would like to break into IB/Consulting from one year program. What are chances at Vandy, UTA, WUSTL.? Should I apply in 1st round next year with current resume? Or I plan on taking CFA level 1 in December, assuming I pass and add that to the resume, should I wait and apply in later round?

Much appreciated

Feb 1, 2019

3.7 and a 720. Are you domestic? If so you are in at all those schools.

You have finance internships, great EC's, a GPA and GMAT that is higher than the class average, in a time when applications are down across the board.

Make sure your resume looks normal and you have good recommendations and your essays are coherent. Other than that, you are good to go.

Feb 21, 2019

I am domestic. Thank you for your help

Feb 22, 2019

Hey TNA,

Situation:

Ivey Business School HBA/ UWO Statistics dual degree
GPA around 3.7
quant GRE 166
no finance experience (may change this summer)
most relevant coursework for MFE/MFin programs except C++ and differential equations

Can i get into U of T MFE and UW MQF? How about top American programs?

Feb 1, 2019

Ivey is a good Canadian B school. You have a high enough GPA. I am not up on avg quant GRE scores for MFE programs, but I will assume it is good.

UoT might be tough unless you get that diff equations class. This is my gut talking and nothing factual. UT is a tough school and hard to get into. So I am basing this comment on that fact and the fact they would want you to have all the pre-req's before admission. I could be wrong.

My advice would be to check out Quantnet and ask this. Those guys know the MFE world well. As for American programs, we have a lot of them and I think from the reputation of your UG school as well as the stats you've mentioned, I would consider you a better than average candidate.

Feb 27, 2019

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Mar 13, 2019

Do you have any news on any newly founded MSF programs in top schools? (In the US)

Thank you

Feb 1, 2019

Iowa has a relatively new program. Same for Oregon. Penn State has a main campus, FT MSF now.

The flow of new programs has slowed for a couple reasons.

1) A ton of schools already have programs now.
2) The economy is good and applications have been declining for these programs.

Grad school (MSF and MBA) tends to be more enticing when the economy sucks. Basically hide out for another year or two. This is why lower ranked MBA programs are seeing a huge decline in applications. The ROI just isn't there. As enrollment declined for these programs, schools came out with ton of specialized masters to try and offset this (MSF, MSM, MS Bus Analytics, etc).

Right now I think we are at the max for new programs. Just not enough new students wanting apply.

Mar 13, 2019

Thank you TNA, but i was mostly interested in top-20 schools, who might be planning to start offering specialized MSF degrees, besides Vandy, MIT, and Princeton.

Mar 4, 2019

For Corporate Finance consulting, which is better: MSF or MBA?

If MSF, which of the following ones? RSM, ESADE, SSE, HEC, CBS, Warwick

If MBA, which of the following ones? IESE, ESADE, Bocconi

Many thanks!

Mar 13, 2019

Thanks TNA for all the comments/posts about Villanova MSF, has really helped.
Have a quick question for pre-MSF

GPA: 3.6/4.0 GMAT:690 Campus Involvement: Prez of $2.5M Student Fund, part of University Endowment at non-target Goal: AM or IB post MSF, then MBA, then HF

Work This is where the question lies. I have interned for 18 months at a small ($5M) VC fund that does a good amount of consulting on the side. After graduation, if I stay for summer before MSF, would be (essentially since it is so small) a VP.
I also have an offer for a mid sized Sell-Side. Junior level, no responsibilities. However, much more networking opportunities.
Any advice on this? Would appreciate any thoughts and thanks!

Feb 1, 2019

Not sure the specific question, but I wouldn't put a VP title on my resume if I was applying to a MSF.

Frankly, I would just put analyst regardless of the MSF. If your goal is IB or whatever, you don't want to scare employers away.

Profile wise - looks strong. Good GPA and GMAT. Work experience is nice also.

Mar 22, 2019

Hello TNA,

Thanks for doing this thread, I've been checking this forum for relevant information on msf and you've been very helpful. I have been accepted to several msf programs, namely washu, Simon, jhu, Brandeis (35k). Unfortunately I was waitlisted at Vanderbilt, otherwise that would've been my top choice. If you were looking at these options, how would you weigh the pros and cons and pick a school to attend?

FYI, I'm an international student who would be happy to work in the States post-graduation, but that is not a must or a top priority for me as my long-term plan is to come back to my home country for career opportunities. Thanks in advance!

Mar 23, 2019

Hello TNA, thank you so much for all the valuable insights you provided.

I'm an international student currently working in the U.S., graduated 2 years ago from a non-target state school in NY, GPA 3.78, a dual major in Applied Math & Economics with a minor in Finance. I had some activities on campus like VP of finance club and hosted some club events on campus. I took GMAT 2 years ago for the 1st time, not well prepared and got 690, I'm aiming towards something around 740 if I decide to apply for a master.

Now I have almost 2 years of work experience but all in really small firms and not related to IB, I found my visa issue and alumni base really makes it almost impossible for me to get into IB, and I have only one year of OPT now. I'm planning to start my master program in fall 2020 or Fall 2021. My girlfriend is taking MSQF in Fordham and I found myself really not the guy for MFE.

Here are my questions: if I want to get into the financial industry (or more specific, IB), are there any master programs that are STEM certified other than MSF or MFE? If I choose among MSFs, could you please tell me if there are some programs that last for more than 1 year (like 1.5 years or 2 years)? Because I feel it would be impossible to take summer intern if it's a 1-year program.

Sorry for my long post, and thank you for your great help!

Apr 11, 2019

Hi TNA, Thanks for doing this.

I am 23 (24 in August) and want to pursue an MSF. I have a masters engineering degree (2.1) and work in a commercial function within O&G. I have wanted to move into finance ever since starting work but have failed with all my applications. Therefore I am considering the MSF.

I am currently studying towards CFA level 1 in June so do not have time to do GMAT for applications this year. My question is would it be worth attending a program I can get into without the GMAT (thinking mainly Cass, maybe UCL), or wait a year and take the GMAT and aim for top tier B schools in London. Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Feb 1, 2019

I don't think Cass or UCL are that bad. They'd definitely give you another shot at a career in finance. What is your practice GMAT? Assuming you get 700 or above, waiting might make sense if you can reasonably get into LBS or LSE.

Do realize that even with the MSF, breaking into finance will be difficult. I'd start networking now and getting feedback. Last thing you want is to get this degree and be in the same spot.

Apr 13, 2019

Hello TNA,

Thank you for doing these treads. I am finance professional with 5+ years of experience in accounting field. I want get a broader understanding of finance and build my carrier as a strategic manager. I am planning to apply to USF - Masters in Financial Analysis and Santa Clara University - Masters in Financial Analytics. I so you commenting on one of the posts that SCU's program is much better than USF's which was an old thread pertaining to 2013. Could you please advise based on the recent knowledge and experience is it still the same of has something changed? I am more concerned about the job opportunities each would provide post qualification.

FYI, I'm an international student who would be happy to work in the States post-graduation, Thanks in advance!