MSF Profile Evaluation: Class of 2020

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Hi everyone,

Would like to get some feedback and suggestions on my profile and some schools that I am planning to apply for MSF programs (Summer/Fall 2019 intake).

* International (f-1 visa/Russia)
* Bachelors from Florida public university (Class of 2018, Finance, 3.95 GPA)
* Was part of the School's Student Investment Fund (+ fraternity/student gov.)
* Passed CFA Level 1 (Dec 2017)
* Taking GMAT in 2 weeks, expecting mid 700 (Last OG CAT - 750 Q49 V42)

* 10 months off-cycle internship at Equity Cap. Market/S&T desk for Fortune 500 Company during my senior year (no return offer 'cause international and no STEM background)
* Currently interning at a small boutique IB on my work authorization (1 year). The group is small, so I get to do everything that analyst would do, not just data entry.

Because I am already in the States and would prefer to stay here, the requirement for the MSF programs is to be STEM approved (Better chances for H-1B/3 year Work Authorization). Most of them Quant oriented. Would love to end up in NY/Boston because originally from a big city & miss 4 seasons. In addition, I threw in a couple of EU schools too. I set the expectations pretty high, but why not to try?

  • Princeton
  • MIT
  • Columbia
  • Boston College
  • U of Rochester
  • Vandy
  • UT Austin
  • SSE
  • Bocconni

What are my chances? What should I target? Any suggestions on application essays: what to mention/explain?
Also, applying to schools for Early Decision because we all know money doesn't grow on trees and scholarships don't hurt.

I'm not sure about my short-/long-term goals. I will have to go with BB or big consulting firms that would sponsor. Since the programs are Quant focused, there won't be too much use of it on PE/VC side. BB/HF are probably better. Getting into PE would be amazing. VC would be even better.

Looking forward to hearing what y'all think. Heard @TNA is the sme, could you give me some feedback please? Visited msfhq com several times, very helpful. Lmk if you have any questions.

Thank you.

Comments (55)

Aug 2, 2018

Any reason you aren't applying to any UK schools?

Aug 2, 2018

Haven't thought a lot about them, but one of my friends just got into LSE. Any specific recommendations?

Aug 2, 2018

Oxford MSc Financial Economics and LSE MSc Finance have very good job placement.

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Aug 2, 2018

I wouldn't waste time with BC or Rochester. Columbia's program is an MFE. If you're into MFE's, look into Berkeley, CMU, UChicago, etc.

Princeton should be your target followed by MIT. Vandy would be a safety.

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Aug 2, 2018

Could you please explain your position on BC/Rochester? Just curious to learn more.

I was trying to pick STEM Finance related grad program with a rep/location, so that's how Columbia got on the list. I will check those schools out and see if they have STEM designation. Not a huge fan of west coast though.

Is Princeton's Finance program on par with MBA programs or something like that? MIT actually reached out to me as an outreach to international students. I don't think I have strong enough math knowledge that they look for, but I think they offer prereq classes before the program.

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Aug 2, 2018
  1. BC/Rochester are super safety's for you. Their placements, particularly BC, are not on par with someone of your academic credentials.
  2. Princeton's MFin is basically its flagship business program. It doesn't have an MBA. The program is incredibly selective (like <5% acceptance rate) and the placements are beyond fantastic.
  3. MIT's program actually doesn't need a very strong math background. It has this reputation because it's MIT, but the MSF is highly customizable. There are "tracks" or concentrations. Some are very quant, others aren't. Also, you got a 49 in the quant section of the GMAT, so I definitely wouldn't worry.
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Aug 9, 2018


Aug 9, 2018

Princeton should be your target followed by MIT.

Isn't Princeton's program a too-Quant-focused MFE as well? (just asking ^^")

Aug 2, 2018

Princeton is pretty quant and if you look at the profile of students, most have serious work experience.

MIT should be your focus with Vanderbilt as backup if you want a true MSF. If you want something more quant, you have a lot more options.

Aug 2, 2018

Considering MIT/Vandy selectivity, what would you focus on in your application? Thank you

Aug 6, 2018

MIT is going to be more raw scores, so GMAT, GPA, etc.

Vanderbilt is focused on placements. So make sure your resume is polished, you have some internships or work experience, you can articulate what you want to do post MSF, etc.

The head of career services is part of the admissions process.

Aug 3, 2018

second most of what @Esuric said. TARGET looks like Vandy to me but who knows. MATH though, I'm not sure GMAT math is any good measure but if they admit you, you'll be fine. Not to worry on app stage anyway when your goal is to look good

No goal is a BIG problem, because if you cant story your hopeful path, you'll screw up interviews and not make these schools look good on employment reports. Do fix that before you pay app fees.

I'd apply with a few schools for each bucket: Safety, Likely, and Hard-but-I'll-Try.
Without hurting quality of EACH app and pissing off recommenders for the same thing 10 times, applying more cannot hurt except in application fees. And save some OPT for internship

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Aug 3, 2018

@antivirus thank you. I was planning to do the different tiers of school just as you said.
There is a difference, however, between the goal and the reason "why", no? My goals are to stay in the states permanently and to get on the buy side, and I want to help people build their businesses, get involved on operational/management sides. So ideally it's PE and VC firms. Considering current administration and it's view on h-1b, things don't look prettt and in order to boost my chances I need masters and with stem designation (2-3 birds with one stone). I will have a year of CPT (same as opt but during the school) and up to 3 years of STEM OPT which does help hiring a lot. In addition, firms that would sponsor are big and mostly international banks/consulting firms, so they will be the targets.

My issue is that I wouldn't be able to clearly describe why I want this and eventually why did I do all of those things and why will I continue. It's not the money drive nor the fame/reputation rather it's a desire to challenge myself and go on a discovery.

Feel free to criticize as much as possible, the more feedback the better.

Aug 3, 2018

Your goal is usually what jobs you want, what makes you excited of that stuff, and what it takes for you to get there + what makes you good for it

Aug 19, 2018

Among the schools you listed, you are pretty much guaranteed at everywhere except for the top 3. Princeton is very quantitative and your profile might be a little inadequate. IMO, you have equal chances at MIT and Columbia. The Columbia financial economics master program used to be very very selective (maybe one of the most selective in the world), but it became much easier to get into in recent years. It's still very very competitive, but I think your profile has a shot.

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Aug 20, 2018

Thank you, I will start the process now so I'm 100% prepared. Do you know anyone from those programs by any chance?

Aug 20, 2018

I'd love to help you get in touch. But just for your own benefit, I strongly encourage you to reach out to the admission offices and ask them to put you in touch with someone in the program. It shows your enthusiasm.

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Oct 12, 2018


Oct 13, 2018

did you send in your MSF applications? I'm also looking to apply to a few. 700 GMAT but 3.0 GPA

Nov 6, 2018

@BirdBath @Esuric @TNA been a busy month, I apologize for not updating the thread. I ended up deciding to focus my efforts only on U.S. schools: UofRochester, UT Austin, Vandy, MIT, Princeton. The range is from super safety to super unreal, but trying something won't hurt.

Had Skype interview with UT Austin, went up to Vandy for the interview, and having the interview with UofR today. Quite surprised that I haven't heard from UTA yet, but I have just got an offer from Vandy (50% scholarship) this week. I still have to submit my applications for other three just to see, but I feel like Vandy is the sweetest offer.

Dec 15, 2018

2013-17: BS from Flagship State University (non-target)
GPA 3.4
Major Economics (GPA 3.7)
Minor Math (3.8)

As in Differential Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential EQ, Probabily Theory, Capstone Math Research, Statistics etc

Bs in Business Info Systems, Econometrics, Abstract Math

Lowerclassmen GPA 3.2
Upperclassmen GPA 3.6-3.7

Excellent recommendations from Math
and Econ professors

GRE 330

CFA Level 2 Candidate (June 2018)

No relevant work experience. Seeking MSF to change career direction from PhD in Economics to IB Analyst

Applying to UTA

Dec 15, 2018

I am not sure how GRE scores translate to GMAT scores, but if you are in the top 5 percentile, I would try MIT given your quant background.

Be aware of applying to UTA as they don't like "IB or bust" mindset. I may be wrong, but that's what I have picked up from extensive research. Also, UTA is a good option if you want to stay in the South. I believe its placement report shows 0 placement in NYC.

For full disclosure, I accepted Vandy's offer as I was able to renegotiate it a little bit. I believe @Esuric and @TNA have more experience and can give you a better piece of advice.

Dec 16, 2018

Thanks for the heads up about IB.

The GRE 330 is equivalent to GMAT 720 according to the ETS predictor. So top 6%?

You are right, McCombs has a heavy footprint in TX, but not so big outside the State

By the way, from my experience, MSFs should be able to use the greater McCombs network. The BBAs and MBAs appear to recognize the program as highly selective, rigorous and competitive, in which the same MBA Finance and Accounting courses are taught by the regular MBA faculty in an accelerated 10 month period.

MIT is not a pre-experience program. So probably may not be a good a good fit

So what are the chances of getting into UT?

Dec 16, 2018

Isn't UT among the top 10 feeder schools to BB banks?

Dec 20, 2018

WUSTL can be another option.

Feb 10, 2019

I have been invited to interview for a couple of MSF programs (Think Vandy/WUSTL/BC/Nova/UT), and I am wondering how meaningful the interview offer is. Does everyone that sends in an application get an interview offer, or is this a good sign of admission, or something in between? Any thoughts on this topic would help, thanks!

Feb 18, 2019
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