Myron Rolle is a beast. He is a rhodes scholar and played safety at FSU. He just got drafted by the titans(6th rd).
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page…
He probably has some of the best genes in the world, not taking away from the fact that he probably has a crazy work ethic.
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he reminds me of tiger woods. i do respect myron but he probably just does whatever he wants/ his self interest and secretly doesn't give a shit about others basically.... a psychopath.
This guy gave up a year's worth of pay and potentially hurt his own stock to go to grad school. Stud.
An excellent description:
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010/04/better-know-a-draft-pick-my…
[quote=drexelalum11]An excellent description:
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010/04/better-know-a-draft-pick-my…]
“I daresay, old sport, your boorish demeanor is reminiscent of that of Australopithecus. Perchance is he of any relation?” haha
Weakness: Brian Billick wonders if Rolle’s intellect might cause him to “think too much on the field.” That’s how the NFL likes them: dumb and obedient.
hahaha. fucking gold
Well, in sports "thinking too much" can be a big problem for reaction speed, decision making, etc. Intellectuals sometimes do not make good athletes, regardless of how physically fit they are, because they overanalyze situations incessantly instead of developing basic biological reactions and reflexes. I was a decent soccer player but the main thing that slowed me down was that I was constantly consciously considering where each teammate was, the angles of available passes, opponents' behaviors, and trying to make the perfect decision while keeping the ball moving favorably and I never internalized those necessary considerations in instinctual reflexes. In some sense "dumb" athletes are smarter than all of us because they unconsciously perform complex calculus, expected value calculations, and physics estimations all without knowing what the hell a derivative is.
Myron Rolle is a freak, and he obviously has an amazing future ahead of him even if the NFL doesn't work out. But from a football standpoint, his performance as a safety at FSU was underwhelming. Maybe he'll prove everyone wrong in the NFL.
Mad props to the guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Johnson_(American_football)
Calvin Johnson was drafted by the Lions @ like #3 overall a few years ago, graduated in 3 years from Georgia Tech, which is a much more rigorous school than FSU, and has parents that both have doctorates. Guy is like 6"4 and ran a 4.3 40. He may not be as smart as MR, but his athletic prowess definitely trumps MR, without giving away that much in intelligence.
When we start cloning people, should definitely clone CJ before MR.
I don't know if Calvin Johnson himself is that smart though.
That's like saying AI was intelligent because he came out of Georgetown or (insert basketball player here) because they came out of Duke.
Actually, I take back that comment about Shane Battier. He was a theology major and he plays no offense.
lol
his wearing an ascot is what cost him being a 5th round pick
Ron Darling?
Mike Mussina:
HS Salutatorian Stanford Economics - 3 Years Future MLB Hall of Famer?
Great article. Really humble player.
On a somewhat related note, the Titans signed former USC RB Stafon Johson last night after the draft. If you're not familiar, he's the guy who almost killed himself when he was bench pressing and dropped 275 lbs of weight on his neck.
Two character picks by the Titans. Wonder what Jeff Fisher's up to.
Not that I think it means anything, but Jayson Williams graduated from Duke in 3 years and was the best college player I've ever seen (Disclaimer: I'm too young to remember much about NCAA bball before 1998). Should be mentioned in this conversation.
I think you mean Jay Williams (Jason David Williams). He's the guy who, in his last college game, had the chance for a four-point play after hitting a three when Duke was down by four... then missed the free throw....
Jay Williams was legit, the kid was incredible, he could get to any spot on the floor. Battier was a great college player and I think wound up winning the MOP when they won that National Title, but really for the most part Williams carried that team, he made every piece work like a well oiled machine.
One of the best college players I ever watched, and I'm not terribly young either.
How about Wladimir Klitschko ? World Boxing Heavyweight champion, has a PhD and was born and raised in Ukraine, where the athletic and academic infrastructure is not even close to the US. Also, he's shagging Hayden Panettiere.
Great guy! He definitely has enormous potential.
Why don't they promote/advertise more people like him in the African American community instead of mindless rappers who only sing about hoes and dirty cash via drug sales? (not that I don't listen to their songs at times, I'm the first one guilty...)
Too bad role models are so negative in the African American community and some leaders perpetuate this habit of victimization. Btw I'm black myself, albeit not from America so I'll shoot down any comment with racist overtones.
Knight.
Because rappers, etc sell albums and generate media coverage....I know it sucks
The guy is clearly a very talented football player, but the academic record (3.75 from a very mediocre school) isn't that impressive.
Blowing 2 years in England seems like a retarded move - I definitely would've gone straight to the NFL.
but if playing in the NFL is really his true passion, it makes no sense to not play your last year at florida state and spend two years at oxford. NFL scouts and coaches had legitimate concerns about Rolle, which is one reason why he got drafted in the 6th round. nonetheless, he's a talented man and will have a bright future.
Fixed that for you.
Wow, some of you are real morons.
Calvin Johnson's parents have doctorates so he's somehow smart? Lots of people grauduate from college under 4 years. Lots of people are all-american athletes. Very few people are so actively trying to help other people. And very few people are Rhode Scholars. Myron is all of the above.
The guy is a phenom and I don't think he will end up playing pro ball long-term. I hope he doesn't at least. He'll make a far greater contribution (for himself and others) if he follows whatever other path he deems fit, which seems like it is neurology.
There are phenoms in everything.... sports, academics, business, medicine, philanthropy, etc... its very seldom that there is someone who is so multi-dimensional and I think thats why people are drawn to him.
I don't know why he reminds you of Tiger Woods, the only thing he does well is play golf. And I don't think MR has proven his athletic prowess to be in the same league as Tiger. But on the whole, he's definitely above Tiger. Tiger may have gone to Standford but its not at all difficult for an all-star athlete to get into top schools. I've known of many top HS recruits that ended up attended top tier schools with underwhelming grades (relative to their typical standards) because of their athletic ability. A good example is these barely literate college football/basketball players that end up attending pretty solid schools (Cornell, Duke, UVA, UMich). The next tier up, you need to still hold your own academically but the standards are no where near where they are for the run of the mill non-all american athlete.
Also the comment about how he probably only does things that serve his own self interest.... yeah so? What's wrong with that? I take it someone on a PLEEEASE HELP ME GET A JOB IN BANKING forum isn't aspiring to join the Peace Corps and spend their life taking care of starving diseased African babies. Myron should somehow be held to a higher standard because he smarter and more athletic than you?
He def has a great background, but the truth is that the bar is set very very low for NCAA football players. This kid did do well, I think a 3.7 at FSU, but lets face it. That is a 3.7 at FSU, granted it was the medical program (again at ... FSU). Many people have equal or greater commitments like this guy and pull in grades like this or better.
Bottom line, if you watch ESPN they think this guy is God. Put in a regular pool of med school applicants he's just average.
Equal or great commitments than a starting safety in one of the premier NCAA D1 Football teams in the country? Get real. You clearly have no idea the amount of time and dedication NCAA D1 athletics swallow up, much less a top NCAA D1 athletic program.
Among the Med school applicant pool, he blows 99.999% of them out of the water hands down. Most of these kids did nothing other than study for 4 straight years.
Average? He was drafted by the NFL. How many med school applicants can say that? He's smarter than the vast majority of NFL players, and is probably the most athletic neuroscience major ever. That's pretty well-rounded in my book.
Surprised no one has mentioned Tiki Barber yet. He was valedictorian of his HS, and if I remember correctly from an interview, had about a 4.0 at McIntire.
and is also a great role model for the kids: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/timing_tiki_plays_field_TMZxMDNXxvBb…
I have a ton of respect for this guy. Considering how few Rhodes Scholars there are each year and the amount of work that has to be put in as a collegiate athlete..Rolle is a beast!
Not denying most well rounded guy around. That is true. Also, D1 commitment is very serious, so I'll give you that. But people make him out to be a brain independent of NCAA. No one with below a 3.7 gets into med school, not to mention from shitty FSU.
He is only a Rhodes because he's a non-fuck up who is a great player in the NCAA. He is only a Rhodes Scholar because NCAA D1 players are a low benchmark. I know many of them and this is coming from one of THE MOST respected academic NCAA Football schools out there. (Don't give me any HYP crap. They do not have football programs).
NCAA D1 FOOTBALL players may be a low benchmark. Are you going to tell me ivy league track n field, lacross, soccer or any predominantly white sport are also low benchmarks? The academic quality of NCAA BB/FB players are disproportionately lower because of the urban backgrounds they come from. Most white dominated NCAA D1 sports have high achieving students just the same... tennis, golf, swimming, track n field, soccer, possibly baseball, etc... If you think thats a bunch of BS you don't even need to look at any of the predominantly white sports, look at top NCAA D1 Football and Basketball program graduation rates and compare the graduation rates of white players vs. black players. There is a huge gap. Additionally, there are plenty of NCAA football players with high GPA's... none of them are Rhodes Scholars... seriously, you must be joking. Look at any of the Academic All-Americans from HS and see how they do in college, most of them graduate with solid GPA's.
I personally know a former all-american D1 athlete who graduated with a 3.8+, from an ok school, academically probably above FSU.... and athletically fairly dominant in its sports (consistently top 10 nationally). He has a pretty sick job now and was obviously never even close to being nominated to be a Rhodes Scholar.
You do realize athleticism is one of the qualifications for Rhodes, right? It's meant to attract well-rounded individuals, not pre-med grinds who crank out 4.0 GPAs and 8.0 40s
BCBanker, I am not sure that being a non-fuck up is a sufficient condition.
Here's another one:
I am not into American football, but Myron Rolle must be really solid and should be looked up to. I wish him well.
As soon as an article says "fluent in six languages," you can rest assured it really means, fluent in native language and proficient in other language that parents speak, made true effort to study third language and speaks it at about 45 - 55% proficiency, studied fourth language in high school, and has friends that taught her some words in fifth and sixth languages (or spent a week in those countries and picked up a few sentences).
Yes, whenever I hear that someone is a Rhodes Scholar and valedictorian of the most difficult service academy in the country [made more impressive by the (alleged) sexism rampant at the Air Force Academy], my IMMEDIATE assumption is that they're lying.
I'm sure she's very impressive and a wonderful girl, but you're just being ridiculous if you're going to take everything an article fawning over her says at face value. We see these kinds of articles all the time, you have to be able to seperate the exaggeration from the reality.
Wow, what a fuckin hater.
I said about three times this is a very impressive person, I'm sure it is a much more impressive person than me. What is this Chairman Mao where if we don't accept everything great about them it is a crime?
The bottom line is nothing gets exaggerated more than language abilities, for two reasons: one most people can't confirm or deny another's fluency, two: since a person doesn't know all the words to a language they usually don't know how much they are missing.
You mean to tell me through all of those wonderful achievements this person had time to study six languages "fluently"? I don't know how many of you have studied languages seriously, I'm sure some of you have, I'm talking to fluent level...do you know how fucking big and intricate a single language is? It is a humongous task to study one language fluently (even related ones). We all know several people who are proficient in a few languages, but full fluency? That takes years per language and years of regular usage. Am I supposed to accept that this person is a super human who is capable of fluently learning six languages in the middle of becoming valedictorian and being in the Air Force? Well, it's like saying Goldman Sachs closed 12 deals yesterday. Sure it's theoretically possible, but one deal is such a monumental task that it is highly improbable. So I'm not going to give something like this the benefit of the doubt, especially when it's something as exaggerated as languages tend to be.
We are all about 60-70% of who we sell ourselves to be. The extra 30% is exaggeration. Some people's threshold of where the exaggeration begins is a little higher than others as their 70% is more impressive than others, this person is a fine example, but it doesn't mean that there's no exaggeration there.
It's a stupid argument anyway people, all I was pointing out is that language skills get inflated and everyone went nuts. This is a stellar person (there, said it for the sixth time), don't take everything out of context that suddenly you have to go and be the defender of the faith when one small element of this person is questioned.
BCBanker is jealous he can't be in the NFL
And lay off the sexism in the Air Force number, in this day and age affirmative action in the military is as rampant as ever. I would've been surprised if the valedictorian WASN"T a female, minority or Muslim. Sure she's impressive...but come on, put down the Kool-Aid for a second.
Myron Rolle appears to be of her caliber. The intersection of his intellect, looks, ethics, drive with his being a star athlete makes him a rare breed indeed; definitely a lucky genetic lottery winner, but also an individual striving to have a positive impact on society.
So you basically think there are thousands just like him, fine. But what kind of standards should we hold you to?! My friend, you are not better than he is, and I sure am not. Who are you to belittle him like that? When I hear of someone such as Myron Rolle, I do what you should do now: I shut the fuck up and try to better myself.
It is nice to know that you find Myron Rolle to be physically attractive.
Honestly, I think you guys are getting a little to excited over him. He really hasn't done anything. He has not cured cancer, unified quantum mechanics and general relativity, solved a mathematical problem, written a large book on metaphysics, etc.
I'm not going to slobber all over someone, cause they played D1 football, earned a 3.7 as an athlete at FSU in bio, and is a Rhodes Scholar. I choose the people I look up to for other reasons.
When he does something that is truly impressive, let me know. Until then, kindly relax and post something funny or useful.
Btw, there are probably many people with better genetics that have not accomplished as much as he has. A lot of life come down to hard work and luck.
To repeat the numerous users before...Myron is a stud. I doubt more than 2 people on here were decent enough to play major D1 football, or any sport for the matter. It's not easy, and to be pre-med while playing is ridiculous! The NCAA rules say no more than 20 hours a week can be spent on football related activities, but ask anyone who played and that is just for show. It's a full time job, all while having to complete course work. And if you don't know anyone to ask, I'll tell you because I went through the process myself. For Myron to complete school early and then be accepted as a Rhodes Scholar is insane. He is in a very, very small group of exceptional people and should be respected as such.
Why do you think employers like student-athletes? Because they do more than the average student, and nothing less than greatness is expected from them at all times!
I wish him well, and believe he will have great careers on and off the field.
I'm going to have to disagree rebelcross. I'm a native speaker in two languages and I had absolutely no problem picking up a third. I wouldn't consider myself fluent in the third language by any stretch of the imagination, but I never put much effort into it and I would still crush advanced lit. classes for that language at a school know for its language department. The bottom line is, knowing six languages is definitely possible. If I put some effort into it, I could probably be fluent in 4 (and by fluent I mean feel comfortable doing an interview in that language, which I'm guessing is what she means). You have no idea whether the media is exaggerating that, you're just chugging haterade.
I didn't want to comment on this again, but shut the fuck up with the "hater" comments, I can't spell it out for you any clearer that I like this girl and I am very impressed by this girl. If you want to disagree then disagree but the "hater" attacks are misguided.
And that's good for you Goodbread that you can interview in those languages, but considering that fluency is the last step before native ability, it does not qualify as being fluent. Fluency means you are about as good as a foreigner can be without being a native speaker, i.e. you can understand everything that almost everybody says in every way that the language permits them to say it with the exception of certain very obscure colloquialisms and maybe some elements of street language (though you should be able to understand a good bit of this as well). You can express any concept from your mind with near native ability in almost every single way that the concept is able to expressed in that language (including metaphoric precision suitable to that language and the culture in which the language takes place). And then the reading and writing level goes without saying. It takes a very serious commitment to get to that level, there's a reason we have words that come before "fluent," such as "proficient," "advanced," "intermediate," etc.
You all seem to be talking about "fluent" in the same kind of way that the entire incoming analyst class at your bank this year is "fluent in Mandarin." If you catch my drift.
What a bullshit topic to argue about anyway. Feel free to disagree with me, I won't comment again, but don't be so ignorant as to what a massive undertaking true mastery (i.e. fluency) of a language truly is.
And as for the larger point, both her and Myron Rolle are incredible individuals that are truly gifted and, hopefully, go far in this world.
Ok, agreed, it's unlikely that she's fluent in six languages as in she could be mistaken for a native by a native in six languages. It should indeed be a very rare feat, and I'm not going to assert whether it's actually possible or not, or whether she achieved that or not. Now you know how the saying goes, arguing on the internet is like running the special Olpympics... so I shall remain silent.
Why do WSO posters first bring up an accomplished individual, and then venture to belittle the achievements. Within the last month, this has happened with a former Ranger (the Bruce Wayne dude), a Rhodes scholar from Wharton, and now Myron Rolle and the chick who speaks 6 languages.
Also, to the people debating language fluency and who claim to be native speakers: The difference between native and fluent speaker is the part of the brain you use to process speech. A native speaker is one who learnt the language as a child during the growth phase. As a person grows older, these synapses don't exist anymore, so the brain learns new languages in a different part and through a different process (a part that's not as natural to speech recognition as the one used by a native speaker, and so the new language will never be as natural to this person). Being fluent, therefore, is the highest level achievable if your parents don't speak the language or if you weren't exposed to it as a kid.
Because they're angry little men. For the most part, the only thing they've ever accomplished is doing well in school and when they see someone else who has done that and so much more their first reaction is to try to belittle their accomplishments. The fact that someone is trying to say being a Rhodes Scholar isn't a big deal, just about sums up the ridiculousness of some of these clowns. Then you've got others saying its near impossible for anyone to have accomplished everything they did and be fluent in six languages... because "if I cant do it, then it must not be possible."
The hater mentality is just a by-product of the type of kids of strive to go into banking.
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