Seems like this site has it fair share of horror stories where networking fails and forwarded emails destroy career. Earlier this week in lil'old Australia both of these things happened to Edward Lu who followed up from a previous night's networking with the following email:
Hi Karel, Rebecca and Marisa,
ICAA night:
I'm sure you have met a lot of stunning people last night. Hopefully you still have a glimpse of memory of me as the suited guy with pocket square. It was really great meeting you all and as discussed, let's have a coffee catchup or something in the city when mutually convenient.(Perhaps your HR and yourself thought I was a uni student wanting a grad position (which is fun to play along to but I never explicitly said anything so everything is your assumption haha), but I was there indeed primarily to find out some information on behalf of one of my uni friends to get a sense of the market for all the firms.)
Common points
Based on my talks with you, I guess we are all roughly the same age, grade, university etc. I actually been at EY working fulltime for about 3yrs now since 2010 for cadetship post highschool ruse09, and graduated unsw in 2012 with B.Com and started back fulltime again this year.Going Forward
Rebecca and Marisa, I was quite surprised both from unsw since I thought I had covered pretty much everyone who did commerce related things at unsw. We may even have some mutual friends from unsw and perhaps assist each other in CA modules. (currently doing FINS.)Karel, in terms of your interest in banking side, quite familiar with this side as that's my main client base at EY for banks and capital markets incl. private equity and hedge funds etc. Also, I had done a IB internship before and know quite a lot of movers and shakers in this space from grads to MD level at boutiques to bulge brackets so we may have good discussions and insights in this space. Also, I frequently chill with some of my management consultant buddies too who offer interesting insights into the global markets. We can share this perspective.
Realistically
I know that we are all very busy and highly value time and so it may not be possible for a large group catchup with mutually aligned schedules. Hence, as mentioned, whenever you are free solo, send me an email or give me a buzz as noted below, and we can grab that quick coffee/lunch or something better if time allows.Thanks and really great meeting you all.
Cheers,
XXXXXX | Financial Services
Ernst & Young
Ernst & Young Centre, XXXX
Within hours, this email made its way through the graduate finance community in Australia and later in the week was the subject of a satirical article (Attached Below) in the Australian Financial Review.
I can't help but feel a little bit for the guy. Cruel world I guess.
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OI OI OI.
But Seriously, this raises such a good point about how the 'grad' circles in Australia are dominated by a very, very specific demographic, one which lacks sufficient social and language skill, and instead compensates with 'over-competitive' collusion.
I love reading these. Is there a place that has more?
Aspergers?
and high-achieving ESL.
unfortunately, about 35% of the post-recruitment event emails in my inbox are exact replicas of this.
It's not that bad. His e-mail just gives a whiff of desperation.
the fact that he made bolded headers for topic transitions made me chuckle
He actually uses underlines his headings too...
/r/cringe
At the risk of sounding naiive, what are the biggest issues with this? That 3 people were emailed, or that the conversation did not flow, or the frequent allusions to other contacts?
setarcos don't generalise for the demographic u fcking idiot. let's not forget Cannon over at Citi. I do note that he was also a douche and not from the same socially retarded demographic you racist knob.
The fact that this isn't being universally laughed at for any number of reasons is kinda frightening...
That is painful
Basically everything you mentioned. For one, he should have sent each a personal email. Second, its just really awkward word vomit that makes him look desperate. Third, its just overall terrible. Just don't do anything like that. Ever.I've seen far worse. Phrasing, presentation and whole content is terrible and awkward, but i don't think it deserves that much attention...
Wow -- they really should redact peoples' names. /endcareer for this guy. But ya, who the hell thinks this is a good letter to send.
Yeah, bad idea sending a group email like this. To me that says you didn't pay attention enough to each person to actually write individual emails addressing each person...seems lazy. Email doesn't flow well either...the format looks more like a class description at a university. I don't want to bash too much because this could happen to any of us where we think we've written a solid email only to have it publicly displayed and ripped apart...with our name attached! :-(
I remember when I worked a internship where I was relegated to telemarketing-like sales work. It sucked, but probably some of the best experience I ever had and probably wouldn't mind it these days. This guy could probably benefit from that by sooooo much. Still, even back in my worst days (maybe when I was 17?), I would never have wrote such an awkward email addressed to 3 people.
That said... feel bad for the guy. I get the feeling that he's some dude that just was told that it's good to network, read some guides on things you should do when you follow-up and over did everything with mistakes all over. In all seriousness, if you guys read through some follow-up email advice, the guy literally did everything, but instead of relegating the paragraphs into single sentences and emailing people individually... he just done and mess up. I'll bet the reason the advice never bothered to tell him not to do what he did was because they did not think someone would actually make such bad mistakes....
And terrible to have his name floating around... This is a crueler world than fb where at least most people have the decency to block out names and faces.
This is the man of the hour:
http://au.linkedin.com/pub/edward-lu-junan/22/b73/607
[quote=VitoCorleone]This is the man of the hour:
http://au.linkedin.com/pub/edward-lu-junan/22/b73/607[/quote]
Thought it was my duty to point out that I personally have met this Edward Lu person. The person you have linked is not the Edward in the article. Probably best not to judge a random guy with a similar name
Yes, I completely agree with you and I was not judging Edward. I was just curious. But thanks for pointing it out that this is not Edward Lu.
Cheers
[quote=VitoCorleone]This is the man of the hour:
http://au.linkedin.com/pub/edward-lu-junan/22/b73/607[/quote]
The guy above me said it's not him because he personally met him.
But I also wanted to note the most obvious indicator should have been because they go to different universities. That email was a goldmine of information so you really should not have been so off.
yep.....my mistake! I apologize for that!
EY forced him to de-activate all his social media accounts. Facebook, linkedin everything. Those who have had the privilege of having him as a Facebook friend are treated to daily hilariousness such as that email. This guy is really pretentious and up himself. I'm not at all surprised that he wrote it, in fact that email is quintessentially him. That email encapsulates his personality so well!
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