Non-target - Credentials

If a firm doesnt come to say Princeton/Columbia/Dartmouth for on campus recruiting and you apply through the website are you basically considered a non-target? Would the princeton guy be seen as the same as the penn state/umass guy and need to have similar credentials, or would it be a bit easier?

 

silly question. obviously you go to princeton. given it is one of the most prestigious unis in the world i think your fine and i think you knew this.

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Schools like MIT and even Northwestern doesn't get a lot of BB's for IBD. Does this hurt them with respect to BB's that visit? Yes. But does it mean they are at the level of Fordham and Rutgers? No.

Basically its harder for you than it is for the "target" kids but if you get anyone to pass along your resume, you will get an interview. It is therefore very easy for you to network but you must be proactive. If I get forwarded 20 resumes and 18 are probably from shitschools but 2 are from Princeton and Northwestern, I'm definitely interviewing the elite kids.

This is assuming you're not a total fucktard with a 3.0 or put down shit like "trader's assistant" on your resume.

A good example is to look at JP morgan. Those idiots have Baruch as a target and go there for IBD. But I bet a more prestigious top 15 college that isn't "targeted" will still send a higher percentage of its student body to JPM than Baruch.

 

I abhor that piece of shit school so I'm not sure but I did read a thread a while ago full of baruch kids bragging that they get IBD info sessions AND recruiting there. Any recruiting for a front office role by any BB at baruch is an absolute mockery of education in the United States so I stand by my prior post.

And no I obviously work at Financial Technology Partners like my good friend FTPiper claims.

 
1styearBanker:
I abhor that piece of shit school so I'm not sure but I did read a thread a while ago full of baruch kids bragging that they get IBD info sessions AND recruiting there. Any recruiting for a front office role by any BB at baruch is an absolute mockery of education in the United States so I stand by my prior post.

And no I obviously work at Financial Technology Partners like my good friend FTPiper claims.

Just curious.. what do you have against Baruch? Would like to hear the reasoning behind that please.

Btw I cannot believe the elitist assholery in this thread some of you guys would have made for great Plantation Owners!

 

If my Baruch example doesn't work then substitute let's say, Boston College which is recruited quite well for IBD even though its a known rich clusterfuck of retards. I would still rather be at Northwestern than the former.

And I may or may not work at BAML. I just know that this bank is a top 3 bank, so suck it.

 
1styearBanker:
If my Baruch example doesn't work then substitute let's say, Boston College which is recruited quite well for IBD even though its a known rich clusterfuck of retards. I would still rather be at Northwestern than the former.

And I may or may not work at BAML. I just know that this bank is a top 3 bank, so suck it.

well duh, northwestern is a way better school than boston college. you'd just have to live with doing IB in Chicago for awhile.

 

to doodoo:

no, i know plenty of state school kids (non/semi-target) who were are baller analysts. they finished top bucket and added more value than most target school kids. the reason? - the state school kids that BBs hire have superior gpa's, work ethic, and come in wanting to prove themselves. the BB wouldn't hire them if they weren't absolutely sure they would be successful and fit in (by this i mean: they are cultured, dress well, and present themselves well) so, if a state school "non-target" kid gets hired in the same class as you, and you have the elitist, self-entitled attitude you displayed in your post above, get ready for them to blow you out of the water.

now, i just want to clarify that when i say non-target state schools, i am talking about schools that fall within the top tier of national universities (top 50 national per US News). i wouldn't feel entirely comfortable with kids from tier 2 or tier 3 schools coming on-board unless they were perfect in every other way.

 
Affirmative_Action_Walrus:
to doodoo:

no, i know plenty of state school kids (non/semi-target) who were are baller analysts. they finished top bucket and added more value than most target school kids. the reason? - the state school kids that BBs hire have superior gpa's, work ethic, and come in wanting to prove themselves. the BB wouldn't hire them if they weren't absolutely sure they would be successful and fit in (by this i mean: they are cultured, dress well, and present themselves well) so, if a state school "non-target" kid gets hired in the same class as you, and you have the elitist, self-entitled attitude you displayed in your post above, get ready for them to blow you out of the water.

now, i just want to clarify that when i say non-target state schools, i am talking about schools that fall within the top tier of national universities (top 50 national per US News). i wouldn't feel entirely comfortable with kids from tier 2 or tier 3 schools coming on-board unless they were perfect in every other way.

Think outside the box, maybe I'm one of these "non-target" proletariats I speak of, and am wondering if I'd be treated negatively by the elitist and arrogant "target" ivy leaguers...

And are you serious?! If a kid from a university that's outside what a magazine ranks as "top 50" then you wouldn't be comfortable with their coming on-board?! lol wow.

 

doodoo:

whatever, if you are smart and carry yourself well no one will treat you differently.

i'll give you a list of state schools that produce the kind of students I would have no qualms about working with:

michigan, virginia, cal, ucla, north carolina, wisconsin, texas, washington.

as i said before, if you are from a lower ranked state school, say for example, LSU, I would probably be wondering what you were doing here and be a little skeptical. that being said, once you prove that you are competent, no one will treat you differently.

 
Affirmative_Action_Walrus:
doodoo:

whatever, if you are smart and carry yourself well no one will treat you differently.

i'll give you a list of state schools that produce the kind of students I would have no qualms about working with:

michigan, virginia, cal, ucla, north carolina, wisconsin, texas, washington.

as i said before, if you are from a lower ranked state school, say for example, LSU, I would probably be wondering what you were doing here and be a little skeptical. that being said, once you prove that you are competent, no one will treat you differently.

The fact that you would even have qualms with working with anyone based on their university is stupid, sorry.

 
doodoo:
Affirmative_Action_Walrus:
doodoo:

whatever, if you are smart and carry yourself well no one will treat you differently.

i'll give you a list of state schools that produce the kind of students I would have no qualms about working with:

michigan, virginia, cal, ucla, north carolina, wisconsin, texas, washington.

as i said before, if you are from a lower ranked state school, say for example, LSU, I would probably be wondering what you were doing here and be a little skeptical. that being said, once you prove that you are competent, no one will treat you differently.

The fact that you would even have qualms with working with anyone based on their university is stupid, sorry.

doodoo,

you obviously are not well-attuned to the general perception of lower ranked schools on this board. why do yo bother posting here if you don't want to hear what others think?

i'm sorry to burst your bubble, but if you attend boise state, you aren't going to be respected by your IB peers until you prove yourself.

i could give you detailed reasons for why this is: lower academic prestige, less qualified student body, perceived lack of refinement but i'm afraid it will fall on deaf and unwilling ears.

 

doodoo;

here is the logic you have used so far:

1) you ask on a message board full of elitists: "will other analysts look down on an analyst from a state school" 2) i give you an honest response. "no,if they are competent no one will treat them differently" 3) you start screaming about how you go to a state school and that we are all elitist bastards

you seem to be a hot-headed nitwit through and through- learn to read and correctly process what people are saying

also, your writing style is a bit cramped, and your choice of words is rather boise-statish.

i think your name is a fairly accurate representation of the sort of logic and reason you bring to this board.

 
AnthonyD1982:
Doodoo, all things being equal, if you got into Baruch and NYU which one would you choose? That basically sums it up.

I absolutely agree. It's a fact that the overwhelming MAJORITY of a lower-tier schools student body is inferior to an upper-tier schools student body, in terms of academic value. But that's not the point and let me explain why. If someone from a lower-tier school receives an offer from a BB for a FT position, then that automatically labels such a person as the exception to the rule, meaning, he/she is obviously just as valuable as those from the top-tier school. That's my point. So, for employees at the BB to label such a person as inferior due to the school, is simply absurd, considering that such a person was given an offer by the firm and therefore illustrates the persons talent/abilities.

 
doodoo:
AnthonyD1982:
Doodoo, all things being equal, if you got into Baruch and NYU which one would you choose? That basically sums it up.

I absolutely agree. It's a fact that the overwhelming MAJORITY of a lower-tier schools student body is inferior to an upper-tier schools student body, in terms of academic value. But that's not the point and let me explain why. If someone from a lower-tier school receives an offer from a BB for a FT position, then that automatically labels such a person as the exception to the rule, meaning, he/she is obviously just as valuable as those from the top-tier school. That's my point. So, for employees at the BB to label such a person as inferior due to the school, is simply absurd, considering that such a person was given an offer by the firm and therefore illustrates the persons talent/abilities.

doodoo

this is precisely the point i have already made to you about 5 times.

"if they are competent, no one will treat them any differently"

either stop flaming or learn to read.

 

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