Non-target - Credentials
If a firm doesnt come to say Princeton/Columbia/Dartmouth for on campus recruiting and you apply through the website are you basically considered a non-target? Would the princeton guy be seen as the same as the penn state/umass guy and need to have similar credentials, or would it be a bit easier?
silly question. obviously you go to princeton. given it is one of the most prestigious unis in the world i think your fine and i think you knew this.
troll
im not trying to troll, but does target / non target just mean for on campus, or does it mean "good school"? How much harder would it be for a normally target school to apply online versus on campus?
you go to a good school,,, it should be easy for you... don't worry
bump - want to know about this too. wells fargo, CS, MS, etc doesnt recruit at my target Ivy, so I applied thru the website. Do I face the same hurdles as an average non-target?
bump - want to know about this too. wells fargo, CS, MS, etc doesnt recruit at my target Ivy, so I applied thru the website. Do I face the same hurdles as an average non-target?
Schools like MIT and even Northwestern doesn't get a lot of BB's for IBD. Does this hurt them with respect to BB's that visit? Yes. But does it mean they are at the level of Fordham and Rutgers? No.
Basically its harder for you than it is for the "target" kids but if you get anyone to pass along your resume, you will get an interview. It is therefore very easy for you to network but you must be proactive. If I get forwarded 20 resumes and 18 are probably from shitschools but 2 are from Princeton and Northwestern, I'm definitely interviewing the elite kids.
This is assuming you're not a total fucktard with a 3.0 or put down shit like "trader's assistant" on your resume.
A good example is to look at JP morgan. Those idiots have Baruch as a target and go there for IBD. But I bet a more prestigious top 15 college that isn't "targeted" will still send a higher percentage of its student body to JPM than Baruch.
Do you work at BofA-ML in NY?
1st year: i thought baruch was targeted for JPM asset management only?
My comment is directed to 1styear-
I abhor that piece of shit school so I'm not sure but I did read a thread a while ago full of baruch kids bragging that they get IBD info sessions AND recruiting there. Any recruiting for a front office role by any BB at baruch is an absolute mockery of education in the United States so I stand by my prior post.
And no I obviously work at Financial Technology Partners like my good friend FTPiper claims.
What's this I've read about you working for BoA-ML? I can't read sarcasm on the internet, so just be literal if you don't mind, thanks kind sir.
once again, you are directing your post at 1styearbanker.
there, did it for you this time.
Just curious.. what do you have against Baruch? Would like to hear the reasoning behind that please.
Btw I cannot believe the elitist assholery in this thread some of you guys would have made for great Plantation Owners!
I've only heard of JPM interviewing baruchers for asset mgmt. find it hard to believe that when you have nyu and columbia at your doorstep you are bothering with a cuny.
If my Baruch example doesn't work then substitute let's say, Boston College which is recruited quite well for IBD even though its a known rich clusterfuck of retards. I would still rather be at Northwestern than the former.
And I may or may not work at BAML. I just know that this bank is a top 3 bank, so suck it.
well duh, northwestern is a way better school than boston college. you'd just have to live with doing IB in Chicago for awhile.
BC gets recruited for Investment banking? since when? and i agree that school is filled with retards.
Gentleman (1styear):
Would you think negatively or have a bad impression if your IBD hired a new proletariat analyst from a state school "non-target?"
to doodoo:
no, i know plenty of state school kids (non/semi-target) who were are baller analysts. they finished top bucket and added more value than most target school kids. the reason? - the state school kids that BBs hire have superior gpa's, work ethic, and come in wanting to prove themselves. the BB wouldn't hire them if they weren't absolutely sure they would be successful and fit in (by this i mean: they are cultured, dress well, and present themselves well) so, if a state school "non-target" kid gets hired in the same class as you, and you have the elitist, self-entitled attitude you displayed in your post above, get ready for them to blow you out of the water.
now, i just want to clarify that when i say non-target state schools, i am talking about schools that fall within the top tier of national universities (top 50 national per US News). i wouldn't feel entirely comfortable with kids from tier 2 or tier 3 schools coming on-board unless they were perfect in every other way.
Think outside the box, maybe I'm one of these "non-target" proletariats I speak of, and am wondering if I'd be treated negatively by the elitist and arrogant "target" ivy leaguers...
And are you serious?! If a kid from a university that's outside what a magazine ranks as "top 50" then you wouldn't be comfortable with their coming on-board?! lol wow.
doodoo:
whatever, if you are smart and carry yourself well no one will treat you differently.
i'll give you a list of state schools that produce the kind of students I would have no qualms about working with:
michigan, virginia, cal, ucla, north carolina, wisconsin, texas, washington.
as i said before, if you are from a lower ranked state school, say for example, LSU, I would probably be wondering what you were doing here and be a little skeptical. that being said, once you prove that you are competent, no one will treat you differently.
The fact that you would even have qualms with working with anyone based on their university is stupid, sorry.
doodoo,
you obviously are not well-attuned to the general perception of lower ranked schools on this board. why do yo bother posting here if you don't want to hear what others think?
i'm sorry to burst your bubble, but if you attend boise state, you aren't going to be respected by your IB peers until you prove yourself.
i could give you detailed reasons for why this is: lower academic prestige, less qualified student body, perceived lack of refinement but i'm afraid it will fall on deaf and unwilling ears.
doodoo;
here is the logic you have used so far:
1) you ask on a message board full of elitists: "will other analysts look down on an analyst from a state school" 2) i give you an honest response. "no,if they are competent no one will treat them differently" 3) you start screaming about how you go to a state school and that we are all elitist bastards
you seem to be a hot-headed nitwit through and through- learn to read and correctly process what people are saying
also, your writing style is a bit cramped, and your choice of words is rather boise-statish.
i think your name is a fairly accurate representation of the sort of logic and reason you bring to this board.
lol cheers, that post actually made me giggle. As far as writing style, please capitalize the first letter of each sentence, and please correct your run-on sentences. I only want what's best for you.
Doodoo, all things being equal, if you got into Baruch and NYU which one would you choose? That basically sums it up.
I absolutely agree. It's a fact that the overwhelming MAJORITY of a lower-tier schools student body is inferior to an upper-tier schools student body, in terms of academic value. But that's not the point and let me explain why. If someone from a lower-tier school receives an offer from a BB for a FT position, then that automatically labels such a person as the exception to the rule, meaning, he/she is obviously just as valuable as those from the top-tier school. That's my point. So, for employees at the BB to label such a person as inferior due to the school, is simply absurd, considering that such a person was given an offer by the firm and therefore illustrates the persons talent/abilities.
doodoo
this is precisely the point i have already made to you about 5 times.
"if they are competent, no one will treat them any differently"
either stop flaming or learn to read.
doodoo:
my failure to capitalize sentences doesn't hold a candle to your logical pitfalls and naivete.
isn't there a south park message board you could be posting on or something.
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