So, I got busy yesterday and wasn't able to actually create a post regarding the recent murders of three St. Petersburg Police Department Officers. Two occurred in an incident about three weeks ago in which the two officers from SPPD were supporting the efforts of the U.S. Marshals office to serve a warrant at the home of Hydra Lacy, Jr. As the officers were entering the residence Lacy opened fired from an opening in the attic, hitting all three LEO, wounding the Marshal and killing the two police officers.
Fast forward a mere three weeks and we have another tragic even unfold. The St. Pete PD received a call from a concerned citizen about a guy wandering around their street/area holding a brick whom they felt might be looking to break into something. Two officers responded (I'm not 100% sure if they both arrived at the same time). However, given the lack of detail of the actual incident, I assume the second officer arrived shortly after the first, who made the initial contact with the suspect. Neighbors reported hearing gunfire, a passer by witnessed the officer on the ground leaning against his car, gun in hand.
Anyways, I am happy to report that the suspect has been apprehended but sad to report that he is merely 16 years old. Ironically he is enrolled at the same high school I attended my freshman year, which is the sole reason my parents choose to move to the other side of the bay (the Tampa side).
So obviously it's a sad statement that a 16 year old kid would ever feel compelled to carry a gun much less use one against a police officer but it seems to be about par for the course nowadays. My intent with this post wasn't to address our failing LEGAL system (not prison) nor the failED homes/communities many of these kids come from, but I actually wanted to address this trash I ran across on the internet (courtesy of friends on FB).
I am probably biased, I am white, from a middle income family, I've served in the military, my 2 sisters have served in the military, my father is a deputy sheriff and a few dozen of my closest friends are currently working in law enforcement throughout the Tampa Bay area (St. Pete included), however, I found this article to be both shocking and disturbing...
http://uhurunews.com/story?resource_name=african-…
Obviously this is propaganda that is on par with Communism and Islamic terrorism but it's sad to think that this movement is so targeted at citizens of this country (in this case the black community). I've said time and again that much of America's deterioration has to do with the dwindling portion of the population that actually call themselves 'Americans'.
The terminology and radical slant actually makes me hesitant to share this North Korean-esque propaganda that is attempting to mascaraed as a piece of journalism, but the outright biased nature of the article was too much for me not to bring it to everyone's attention. Thoughts?
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Where do people dream up this shit?
That was exactly my thought on the topic. I mean, there's left and there's right and then there is this. Obviously they have an agenda, the question on my mind is: Do they actually believe this shit or are they just trying to make some money. My guess is that they really believe this shit.
I've never been to Africa so maybe I'm missing out on something but outside of South Africa, is there really anything great going on in their cities? More specifically, is there a lot of progress, ingenuity and advancement coming out of communities that have pushed out their slave drivers and rose up with a defense force to defend their rights (or however the author of that article put it)? Again, I've never been there so all my views have been influenced through the American media and internet.
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and people wonder why there is so much tension in society. its the fucking "media" spreading this shit
WOW. Many have wondered what Obama might do after his one term in office, some say they envision him retiring to Ivy League life and writing books. My hope is that he will pull a Bill Cosby. The image of the typical black man that the media / BET / rap music has portrayed is just despicable. What is even more unfortunate is the fact that many young blacks have no father figure (70% born out of wedlock) so when they are looking around for a role-model / someone to look up to - who do they see? Lil Wayne, etc.
Do I listen to rap music - not really, I used to a little bit. Sure it is just entertainment, but if you listen to the lyrics its really pretty sad.
I am sure that every young black child in this area in Florida has a negative view of the police. Why? Because the vicious cycle of embracing a culture that idolizes this type of behavior that is passed from generation to generation. - You might say, well it is because the police target blacks and are discriminatory, etc etc. - That is the typical response / cop-out -- Sure police might be more suspicious of a young black male dressed up like a gangster and why shouldn't they be? If there was a crime wave that overtook the nation and it just so happened that each criminal was wearing a bright yellow hat - do you think the police would be more suspicious of someone with a bright yellow hat? Sure - Well, it just so happens that a lot of young men who subscribe to the "gangsta culture" and who dress like thugs do engage in, as well as idolize unlawful behavior.
What is even worse is the fact that this problem is IMPOSSIBLE to address. I mean look at what happened to Bill Cosby - completely isolated. Mention that there is even a possibility that popular black culture might be having a negative impact on black youth and you are a racist.
While it might not be solely about race (there are plenty of white trash kids who live the same lifestyles) it is an undeniable fact that a large portion of the black community subscribes to and promotes this culture / lifestyle.
I agree. I think MLK would turn over in his grave if he saw what mainstream black culture has become.
Its just too bad that no leaders in the community will step up. Its too easy to join in the game and profit from it. Sharpton / Jackson could step up and say - enough is enough, we need to face reality and come to grips with the problems we have created - will they ever? Doubtful, because the moment they did that would be the moment that the black community abandoned them - the moment that their cash flow dried up, they would be out of the game.
In before Argonaut says the cops got what they deserved.
...and that they are overpaid, receive great benefits and should have been faster on the draw/able to slow down time in order to shoot first or dodge the bullets.
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Lol, you dick
The African community in St. Petersburg, FL? I'm confused. Isn't Florida in the USA? I am so sick of mf'ers calling themselves African American, Mexican American, European American, "blank" American. If you are a citizen of the United States of America, you are an American, period.
Did anyone catch this part? These mf'ers are on crack.
“We want the immediate withdrawal of the U.S. police from our oppressed and exploited communities. We believe that the various U.S. police agencies, which occupy our communities, are arms of the U.S. colonialist state, which is responsible for keeping our people enslaved and terrorized. We believe that the U.S. police agencies do not serve us, but instead represent the first line of U.S. defense against the just struggle of our people for peace, dignity and a socialist democracy. Therefore, we believe the U.S. police is an illegitimate standing army, a colonial army in the African community and must withdraw immediately from our community, to be replaced by our liberation forces whose struggles in defense of our community and against our oppression demonstrate their loyalty to our community and their willingness to serve in its interest.”
I seriously laughed out loud at the utter ridiclousness of that paragraph. Yes the SPPD is a colonial militia. Not to mention the writer of that article doesnt know the difference between a tank and an APC lol. I could only imagine the awesome sight of seeing an A1M1 Abrahams rolling down the streets of St. Petersburg.
Not only that but did you notice how any criminals that were in the process of being aprehended by the police were praised as heros? That is some fucked up shit. One can only wonder why the ghetto never gets better.
Where do I even start..
First off the "African Community" is the hardest working of all the black communities..... The people who are lazy are the 3 generation black people who have lived in poverty for generations who don't have any desire to give there families a better life. I'm a first generation AMERICAN not AFRICAN AMERICAN, I can't stand being referred too as an African American or AA. 1) I'm not from African my parents are I'm just a descendant 2) I don't have any of there cultures, I live like any other American teenager. I have been to Africa and it was fucking horrible as an American visiting Africa was eye opening x100. Showering outside, using the bathroom outside, playing among cows and goats, no form of education, no modern technologies... Why do people happily want to be known as a backwards society. Not to mention government corruption x100. This article is absolutely ridiculous "African" is used 60+ times throughout the article..seriously? We are in America. People who came here from Africa thru legal means came to get away from the poverty in Africa and to give there children a better life(my parents did exactly that Dad accountant mom Pharmacist) so to read this is infuriating. This is just like the KKK standing up for the rights of all White people... ridiculous.
Sadly you are too right. I've never met a group of people more dedicated and willing to sacrifice as first generation immigrants are (typically from Asia, India and Africa). I think most Americans have a sense of entitlement that is alarming but the welfare mentality found in the low income communities (both white and black) is disgusting and is the root of my disgust for post-Katrina New Orleans.
I had a professor (Economics, go figure) my freshman year who was a first generation American. He can from Africa (don't remember what country) when he was 17 or 18 and other than a couple of dollars, he had absolutely nothing when he got here (no family to live with, no friends to help him out). Truth be told this guy would be considered a dick by most people and nearly every student hated him. Even though he was exceptionally tough (in order to get an A you should be able to recite 95%+ of the book...WTF?!?!) he was also very fair and always outlined everything that need to be done in order to get something graded (i.e. specific font type and size, specific heading, specific lengths, etc.)...if anything didn't match exactly, he would simply refuse to grade it and give you a zero. Anyways I admired him because he came here and worked full time while putting himself through undergrad, Masters and PhD and he never got anything less than an A (or so he told us)...which I found admirable. The funny thing was, one day he mentioned that he left a city council dinner (despite being a leading member) because they served food on disposable plates and they had to use silverware. When we asked why he said that he did not work all those years and sacrifice so much so he could eat of the paper, like he did before he got to America...so he absolutely refused to eat on anything other than real dinnerware...even if he gets McDonald's he said he would take it home and eat it off a plate with a knife and fork because he earned the right too. Guy was smart as hell to, lol.
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If the kids of the inner city black communities are willing to follow the directives given in the music they listen to, why can't they listen to Gen. Larry Platt...
http://www.youtube.com/embed/BkeAzqhlkNk
Loved your American Idol performance!
http://www.youtube.com/embed/BkeAzqhlkNk
Love that quote. There are crazy people everywhere, I used to get riled up about the fringe elements in America (especially the 9/11 truthers) but now I tend to try to ignore them. I mean, if we did what this idiot said and removed police from all "African" areas, it would be chaos. Not because those areas are more crime prone (although the area he is talking about is) but because without police lawlessness would abound. The notion of consequences is enough to deter most people.
Remember this? http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Suffer-These-Crimes-in-Oaklan…
Not surprisingly, reported crimes are much higher now in Oakland...if we gave this idiot what he wanted he would be robbed and/or murdered I bet. Its not like the police leave and its now a utopian society where everyone helps out each other and crime disappears because it was all because of the oppression of the white man. I doubt this guy really wants no cops, and the comments by the readers of his blog (who I doubt are the most conservative of sorts) show that he has like no support either.
Also Black History Month? really I thought that black people were part of AMERICAN history...but sadly we have to have a month because even black people neglect to realize we are all American's and we live here for the same goal.. Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness..
And yes I love being a black skinned American hahaha.
Though I don't disagree with a lot of the points brought up by everyone in the thread, you guys are still just talking about symptoms.
The disease here is the communist attitude pervasive in the black community. It is supported by both those who don't know better and those who truly want to keep blacks down (liberal elites). Unfortunately, the ideals of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X don't apply to today's world and there is near no one in the Black American community who is willing to stand up and say this aloud.
As a result you are seeing the same anarchistic tendencies in the behavior patterns in American Black communities that you saw in many communist anarchists of the early-to-mid 20th century.
Naturally, with political correctness the de facto American religion of the day, this is a no-no subject for discussion.
Funny how people love to debate the 2nd Amendment, when the 1st is long gone.
Sadly those that do speak out become social pariahs, with Bill Cosby being the most prominent and recent. Even worse you have some in the black community (Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton) who are the exact opposite and are willing to speak openly and reinforce the stereotype that blacks are disadvantaged because of their skin color and that they are being held back by 'the man'. I've always thought this to be a horrible thing for the inner city black communities that they often hold their rallies in. Ironically they usually preach about how blacks need to be strong and stop allowing themselves to be taken advantage of society and that white people don't understand their plight because they all come from wealthy families and are totally out of touch. Of course, this is after flying in on their private jet and getting chauffeured in a limo to the rally site where they stir the race pot.
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Though he is far less eloquent, I kind of look at Charles Barkley the same way. Watching him call out the winning dunk this past weekend as nothing but a prop trick was pretty funny. The other guffawing groupie announcers took a vow of silence for the rest of the program. Actually saw Jesse Jackson speak once, if that guy doesn't make your skin crawl you're impervious to scum.
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The one thing I find comical about that video is that I think I heard the lady who was trashing the office scream out at one point that she was going to call the police. Seems to go against the black montra.
http://workinghumor.com/quotes/charles_barkley.shtml oh charles
Bill Cosby opened his mouth and look what happened.
It is bigger than one person - of course they will be ostracized, that much is obvious. If they can't realize that it might be worth it to stand up for what is right and to call attention to the problem, well then the problem will continue to eat away at their culture (I'm not holding m breath)...
By they and their you mean black people right?
America likes to perpetuate passive aggressive racism.
Liberia was set up to return slaves to their homeland. Lincoln was going to send them back. That never happened. So instead of accepting that and moving on, we created a two tiered society. Blacks have not been integrated and one could argue that they still are not.
if you look at affirmative action and remove athletes from the stats, blacks are barely present on campus.
We need to fix this shit and fix it now. The cost to America by allowing this crap to continue is monumental. End the war on drugs and take those police forces and tax payer dollars and dump it into black communities.
Free college, drug rehab, adult education, etc. We need to teach safe sex in schools. We need to bring in quality teachers.
We need to do something. You simply cannot have the level of violence, teen pregnancy, single motherness, levels of education, etc.
But the issue with that is black people will say your an "oreo" if you want to get educated...or make a better life for yourself. Black people don't believe in themselves and they want the government to hand them everything on a silver platter as they are doing right now...
I completely agree. I think American black people are the some of the laziest people around. The very fact that black children often pick on each other for doing well just shows how a stupid mindset can be like a virus. Do you know 98% of black males in the state of Maine graduate from high school when less than half nationally graduate?
http://www.affordableacadia.com/2010/acadia-and-maine-shine-on-educatio…
We should, literally, copy Maine's and North Dakota's system to a T for the south.
By "they" I mean black people, yes. That is what we are talking about here is it not? I do not mean "all black people" as I stated earlier it is a cultural thing. It just so happens that this culture is widely accepted by black youth.
ANT - I am surprised to hear you advocate "dumping" money spent from activities like drug prevention & police into "black communities". Case in point, look at the south side of Chicago. Prime example of how "dumping" money into poor communities is ineffective. When they started pumping money into that area (over the last couple of decades) things have only gotten worse - all that is going to do is further entrench the entitlement / this is not my fault mind set. Money cannot solve the problem.
You put any human being in a situation where they are neglected, abandoned by their fathers, grow up idolizing criminal behavior as if it was the norm and they are likely to experience the same problems.
A buddy of mine recently sold a contract to a school in a ghetto. In his own words:
"I just finished walking two fort worth school jobs in the GHETTO. I thought I had seen ghetto before, but nothing like this. Crackheads walking around, yelling at cars etc.
I realized, after seeing some of the classrooms, that ghetto public education, at least on the elementary level, is just state funded baby sitting "
I have no doubt that there will be some resistance, but I think a lot of kids get lost to the drug wars or the fact that it is so tough to stay the course. An infusion of police, an end to easy drug money and a huge push to change things will at least help.
Long story short, you either change things or write it off totally. I think we should probably focusing on changing things.
Agreed, so I can stop giving my money to government so they can arrest a kid because he a gram of weed on him
Yup.
Once you eliminate the drug business, black youth (or all uneducated and hopeless kids) will look towards better avenues.
It is simple economics. You are poor, no education and no hope. You want goods and services. You can work in McDonalds or sell weed. Which one do you do?
With drugs legalized we will put drug dealers out of business. This will also reduce the violence in black communities.
Things will be safer. Police can patrol and not be tied down with this bullshit. Money can be spent on putting in parks, street lights, roads, etc.
Extending the school day will keep kids in a structured environment longer. Free adult education to educate past traditional school age.
As more and more blacks become educated and professional, kids will begin to see a path towards something. Role models are key.
We need to teach sex education in schools. Black females begin sexual activity at an alarming early age. We need to either stop this is at least make it safe sex. Too many unwed mothers having kids and no fathers around.
Legalize drugs?! Don't go all Soros on me now, let be realistic here....
1)End the drug war. 2)Fix k-12 education. I am serious, 47% of black males graduate from high school. A pitiful state.
3)End any and all welfare programs. TANF should be completely supplanted by a program that gets people to work.
4) Sterilize any and all males who have 3 or more violent crime arrests.
By pumping money I mean bringing in quality teachers, improving schools, increasing security, offering vouchers, free college, putting in street lights, drug rehab clinics, safe sex classes, extending the school day, school lunch and breakfast, mentorship programs, etc.
I am not advocating funding the same bullshit federal programs. I also advocate drug tests for welfare and working while on welfare.
Please lay out your battle plan.
Also, I am not talking about entitlement. I am talking about the ship is sinking and this is your last chance. Once this is done with the hammer of Allah is coming down and no more bitching will be listened to.
We (white people) caused this shit by not addressing the situation. Time for us to own up and fix it.
The federal government basically already does all of the things you listed except perhaps vouchers, except not to the extent that I think is necessary.
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EOK, you cant be out "conservative-ing" me now. Have you seen that charity that pays crackheads to be sterilized?
EOK, I like you more and more every time you post recently
Legalize it all. Fuck it. If someone wants to get addicted to Meth and ruin their life, who am I to say no? Controlling people is a lost cause. We have some of the most strict anti drug laws in the world yet people are still getting and using them.
In life, you either go all the way or dont go at all. Make drug use punishable by death or make it legal. No middle ground.
As long as people can't set up a Meth lab next to my house...
Well yes. The Meth will be controlled by companies. Which will employ Americans. Gotta be free markets baby lol.
I dont like the idea of people using these hardcore drugs, but WTF can you do. You make it illegal and people still do it. You legalize it and people do it. Nothing stops it.
Like I said. You either go all the way, zero tolerance or you legalize it. Anything else is fighting a losing battle.
5) Get rid of the minimum wage or have a sub-minimum wage. Turn black people into America's cheap labor class. I just finished reading a Walter Williams, The State Against Blacks, and I am enamored by the fact that almost all of the labor/work done in America up until the 1920s was done by black males. Blacks would often work for 66% of what a white male worked for. In the early 1900s, 95 of black males were employed, gainfully.
I am pretty sure ghetto black people would work for 5 dollars and hour. Lets start summer work camps for black people.
In high school I was enamored by economists like Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. On social issues, I am more laissez faire. TANF, while no where near as large as corporate tax subsidies, acts like a lifeline for poor people.
I agree with that, I was thinking about it after I posted. People use the hardcore drugs now and they are illegal I highly doubt that number will increase greatly if they were to become legalized so the people who would use them if they were legal more than likely use them already. So who gives a shit let them kill themselves. Its also creating jobs working at Meth. Inc, being government regulators to regulate Meth Inc. I see a big business out of this. Hire the best chemist... haha
Whoa
You are a libertarian EOK?
Legalize and tax. Period.
This and end the social programs that they live on. You work to live...or you die, period.
Can you keep this fringe right crap out of the conversation please. Even you should know that some people really do deserve welfare and social programmes. Unfortunately this does not apply to much of of the black community.
How much have you worked when you were going to muddle school and high school? Just curious....
Helping black people would kick ass in so many ways
1) Our gun violence rates would decrease by nearly 50%, silencing the anti gun crowd
2) Incarceration rates would decline. Saving massive amounts of money
3) GDP would increase. People on welfare are a drain on GDP. Getting them off would only increase it
4) Increase the number of people who pay into the system
5) Help SSI. We need workers paying into the system
6) Reduce entitlement programs. Save money , reduce taxes, pay down debt
7) Reduce crime. Detroit would be safe. Philly safe. etc.
What we could also do is bring in Pakistani, Indian and Chinese people and give them free housing and school if they lived and worked in these ghettos. This would bring business and educated people to these areas.
You could offer free citizenship to these people if they taught in inner city schools. Nothing like having some Chinese and Indian teachers to juice the good ol test scores.
What it would also do is stop or at least slow down the spread of Islam among the African American community. Give the alienated and the uneducated hope (not even anything tangible) and a sense of belonging and you can do whatever the F you want - which is what I am more scared of
Just because you give asians free housing doesn't mean we're going to risk our lives teaching. Given a choice I'd rather teach in a nice school in new york (hopefully near Chinatown) where i have a lower risk of getting raped and spat at... same $, safer place. but if you gave us more $$ to do it i might consider it... all about incentives hey...
The situation is much more grave than this, the problems stem from cultural ideals. But are supported by the very education system that is supposed to be helping the kids. I say you legalize weed and tax it, take that money and use it to break the teachers union. Did you know that the nations two largest teachers unions combined make the largest contributers to political campaigns? I think it was something like 55 million in the 2008 race. 90% of which went to the democrats. If you want a good glimpse at the problem we are discussing watch Waiting for Superman, its a very eye opening documentary.
I'm sitting in class right now and don't have the time or inclination to read past the first half of the first page of this thread, but I feel a bit compelled to say a few things.
Victimization. As a collective race, can we please move past the fact that a century and a half ago, a different race enslaved us and deprived us of our freedoms? Yes, it was a despicable, awful thing that highlights how miserable a rigid social hierarchy predicated by an ethnic discourse goes. It shows how far the depravity of humanity can run. You know what? That was 150 years ago, and people back then saw how pathetic it was. Guess what happened? Abolition. Slavery was prohibited and people began making great sacrifices in the name of social justice. Sure, racial tension has carried over into very recent years and will probably never fade away entirely. You know what? It's rarely propagated by anything other than a misguided fury fueled by selective portrayal on the part of the media or some lunatic (read: Jackson, Sharpton) guided only by selfish motives. Get the fuck past it and work positively to fix whatever issue it is you see. Don't scream foul without being willing to work to change the root problem. Fix the root, change the fruit. Worried about gun crime and police violence? Educate your kids, keep them from fucking around and getting babies before they can legally drive, stop reinforcing the cyclical culture promoting a convoluted sense of hyper-violent masculinity, and realize that the majority of your issues stem from your own shit and not someone else's.
Entitlement. What happened back then DOES NOT predicate what happens now. The past is the past, no one can change that. 150 years from now let's not look back and think today was as pathetic as 1860. Some banger, not an innocent little kid, a juvenile thug strapped and ready and walking his turf got caught in gunfire with the cops. That does not equate to a "colonialist militia." Fuck that. That means that law enforcement tried to stop some kid who was part of something making life more miserable for people on that block, and he KILLED them. A kid from your hood fucked with the police, they responded to someone who lives there who called them, and they're "invading" your "community?" That's not a neighborhood, that's a warzone. Coming from a kid who grew up in North fucking Philadelphia, that is not a pretty place. That is not a cohesive body of people living together in harmony, that's gunplay every fucking day over street corners for rights to deal, that's nail-studded baseball bats taken to someone who tells you to take your powder down to the next block so the kids can play in the street without having to worry about ducking strays from the daily driveby. America as a nation does not owe you jack fucking shit. You owe yourself the realization that you're harming yourself and biting the hand that feeds.
Sorry for ranting, but it really bothers me a lot when I see dumb shit like this. I grew up in an ugly place. Philly is a great place to be from. You know what? I worked my fucking ass off to get out of a place I didn't want to be. Wanna know the statistic for how many African-American males will die by violent crime related deaths before the age of 23 in my zip codes, in Compton, in FL? North of 50%. Inform yourself. Empower yourself. Don't get stuck in the blame game, take off the shit-colored glasses and wake up to see the real picture.
A couple of issues to address...
ANT, I'm still not convinced (and I'm sure there isn't any 'evidence' so I'm just sayin') that American corporations would be willing to manufacture any and all drugs...and like you said, in my mind it's all or nothing (though I lean towards nothing). Sure there would be a million of people/businesses that would love the opportunity to make money off a legalized drug trade but if McDonald's gets sued because someone got fat from eating their food for 20 years, how liable is a company going to be that manufacturers a drug that could kill you instantly? In my mind, there is far too much liability for a company, but maybe you work around that by capping lawsuits and having the FDA regulate the industry so the company isn't cutting their shit with household products similar to those used when someone cooks it up in their trailer. Additionally, while I like the idea of fixing it now, I don't know that it's something WE, the taxpayers, can fix this. This is the case of leading a horse to water, but not being able to make him drink. The good thing about your points is they address the issue, the bad part is you are merely attempting to fix the symptoms (like MMM said) of the underlying problem...not to mention your solutions are pulled straight from the pages of "A Liberal's Guide to: Utopia". What does free college mean to someone who isn't going to graduate from high school because they don't care enough, end up incarcerated or are stuck at home taking care of a baby? Condoms have been around for a very long time and the black community knows they exist (it isn't a secret) so again, telling an irresponsible person about something that will/might be viewed as "inconvenient" or "dulling the sensation" isn't likely to be successful, especially if that person misses the class in which the topic was addressed because they don't go to school to often/ever. Again, this comes back to the mentality that is prevalent in the black community. There are virtually no consequences when a black male impregnates a female because he just doesn't stick around and there isn't a stigma that he is a dead beat dad...he is just doing his thing, which happens to be the same thing as all of his buddies, so essentially there is no shame in his game because no one he respects tells him otherwise. Parks, roads and street lights where already installed in many of these communities (however, probably not all) and either weren't maintained because the black community is at the bottom of the budget list or because the folks that allocate funds see the way things are treated in these communities...broken street lights that were shot out or hit with rocks, parks that become the headquarters for gangs and drug dealers. I've said it before and I'll say it again...the real fix comes from within. This is going to include strong black leaders (not Jackson or Sharpton or the Reverend/Pastor that is essentially raping his community, i.e. Creflo Dollar and the rest of the church leaders who somehow end up being the wealthiest person in the community, though he likely doesn't live in the projects) who will serve as role models and who the parents will praise and guide their kids toward mimicking, as opposed to the drug dealers, rappers and professional athletes (as JBGH pointed out).
Anecdotally, my PEG's PO Box happens to be the old PO Box for Def Jam records (apparently), so I often get packages with head shots, bios and cd singles/albums for people trying to break into the industry. Anyways, as luck would have it, I got a new one yesterday and in this guy's bio (King D Son, if anyone is interested in who he was, lol) and it actually addressed some of these issues. This guy grew up on the east side of Nashville (I have no clue if that is a 'hard' place, lol, but I assume so). He says, "I grew up in the streets"..."I grew up without a role model or father figure in my life, my father left me when I was three years old. I turned to the streets when I was fourteen years old and I started hustling crack and week, but I also was working a regular nine to five job I just felt it wasn't enough. I dropped out of school to help my mother pay bills. I started rapping around the age of fifth-teen. When I first seen my brother rapping it turned me on to it and every since I felt I had a position of another choice in life, but even though I felt the rap game wasn't picking up fast enough like I was with selling drugs I continued hustling and rap was on the side. I felt I had to still hustle more because at the age of sixteen I became a father. I was stressed and confused I didn't want to leave my son like my father left me, so it was either hustle harder, get a better job, or start jacking. My choice was to hustle harder because my son had to eat. A nine to five never made me feel like I was making enough money I only kept it so if the police ever wanted to know where I got the money I could cover it up"..."every since it's been on, but the rap game was still slow as hell. So of course at the time I kept hustling. My brother and I was still hustling the streets of Nashville and three years later my brother was shot nine times and past away, which was in 2004 and at the time I was nineteen years old so I stopped hustling so I wouldn't be next."
So, the point to sharing that with you is to show that this guy, and presumably many others in his community, know there are other options, in fact he listed them. One of the options he didn't choose was "get a better job", which would have been the right choice...the other two options he lists are selling drugs and robbing/stealing...which were never options I even contemplated when I was growing up. Anyways, I was picking on you ANT, you know I respect your opinion but just color me skeptical when it comes to implementing the points you made.
eokpar is right (damn, that hurt, lol), the black community as a whole is lazy. Look at black Americans vs. immigrant Africans. Do these Africans come from places that don't have drugs or crime with great school systems and parks for the kids to play in?? Hell no. Truth by told, they come from an even worse place than our ghettos/projects...maybe that helps motivate them, but the bottom line has to do with their work ethic and motivation to achieve something...both of which, in my opinion, are instilled in you by your parents and surroundings.
Regards
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Heres a simple soulution, instead of giving them more money, stop giving them money. It will be obvious pretty quick that having lots of kids isnt the way to a free high and meal ticket. Sure crime will jump for a bit, but use the money saved to hire more cops to patrol the area. I think the best way to fix the problem is to make them fix it themselves. The black community was a proud and quickly up and comming place in the 50s and early 60s. Then democratic lawmakers decided it would be a great idea to buy a growing voting block by starting the welfare program. This essentially told black men that they no longer needed to sick around and care for their kids. Yes, this happens in the white community as well. So I say if you give the black community its pride back and force them to fix their own problems they will eventually do it.
Enforcing this would be a good start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_strike_you%27re_out
I am surprised that people on this forum get all high and mighty when I say people on welfare should be drug tested and that people living in public housing should not be allowed to have firearms in their home. This is not the big bad government coming to get you, its a means to protect the tax payer.
Ant, its not the taxpayers problem. It is all parenting or the lack thereof in the black community. In excess of 70% are raised by a single mother. 1 in 3 black males is incarcerated or on probation. That is FOUR times the rate of blacks in aprartheid South Africa. Just think about that.
Less than half manage to get through high school. It is a national disgrace. 60% of black youth are unemployed. Read some Walter Williams and Sowell. Check out "Losing the Race" and "Winning the Race". Many people on the left and right will say it is society's fault, but that is an out-and-out farce. Prior to the civil rights movement, around 90% of all blacks were raised in a two parent household. Black men were employed at a higher rate than whites. Whites and Blacks were incarcerated at nearly the same rate. Some time from the 60s to the 80s black people developed this horrific meme that put down achievement and foisted the image of the overly sexed, gang banging rapper as a role model. This needs to be thoroughly routed.
1) K-12 reform. Start a summer work program where black youth are taught to appreciate hard work. Instead of spending 8 weeks in the ghetto for the summer they should spend 8 weeks laying bricks, working on a farm, cleaning, etc.
2) Have a subminimum wage. This would help black people, especially males, get jobs.
3) End the war on drugs 4) Promote positive black people as role models. I think its a shame that a 6 foot 6 black male who can throw a ball or dunk gets more attention than a black neurosurgeon, Kenneth Black. 5) Promote academic achievement. Have the president meet the valedictorian at ghetto schools at the the white house. Have ceremonies at the halves of basketball games.
No amount of money will solve laziness.
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What about the firearms issue? If you are living in public housing you are the governments tenant. They have a right to control what goes on in the home.
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I think I am going to change my username to WhiteFinancier....but no I don't thin race is important
I am talking about they've bit the hand that feeds them now they need to learn how to feed themselves. (metaphorically obviously) It has become a cultural thing for these people. They know nothing else and don't want to learn anything else(for the most part). I speak with first hand knowledge. I used to work for a company that catered to low/no income people. They simply don't care. They'd much rather sit on the front porch playing dominoes all day and collect their disability check, even though they are not disabled, once a month. I have seen it time and time again with my own eyes so please don't say I'm stereotyping.
It is time to pull the plug on these social programs that do no good. The problem is, Democrats thrive off of enslaving these people in return for their votes. It's gonna be an uphill battle.
Section 8 are privately owned usually. There are exceptions like the large complexes in Chicago (though everyone has been forced to move out and into privately owned properties around the city.)
End of the day, the tax payer pays. Who pays for the prisons, police, welfare, etc. Who has to leave high crime areas or move to better school districts. We are all paying. Whether it is cultural or not, we need to solve this.
Yea dude people had grass and shit where you grew up, you don't know anything about making your own way
Not big words. It has become a cultural fact that these people don't want to do shit except sit outside, drink 40s, play dominoes and have a piece of shit car with 28" rims on it while collecting a check every month from taxpayers. I've seen it through my whole life. I used to work for a company that's niche was no credit financing of automobiles. Guess who the customers were? The very people you speak of. I've seen them time and time again buy a car, have it for two months, trash it out, then get it repo'd. Not giving a shit that they just put down $1000 dollars on a $1500 dollar car. They'll just move on to the next high risk auto dealer. A lot of the customers where able bodied young men/women who were on disability. I have no idea how they got on disability, but it was quite common. Know what else? They were absolutely content with getting an $800 check every month. Funny since they don't have a pot to piss in, but they got their pimp ass car...until it gets repo'd.
Mind you , Texas is a lot different than wherever you are. Most places have lawns here. Also, i grew up in a rural area so unless you live in an apartment, you had a lawn. Like I said before, if you feel bad you are more than welcome to write off any future earnings to them. I've worked too hard to get taxed to death.
In summation, not big words, facts seen with my own eyes.
Fool, I AM in TX. And I lived in gunspoint for 3 months and haven't seen any houses with lawns. I also haven't seen houses with lawns in Deep Ellum, and that's not even the ghetto. Your rural area was probably a 99.3% white and middle class suburb.
Also, I never said I didn't have it better than these people you speak of. I did. My point is, everybody can make something of himself and not rely on others to support you.
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One more thing Argonaut, I grew up for the first 10 years of my life in a 2 bedroom trailer house in a neighborhood where I was the only white kid. Do you know what a trailer house is?
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No sir, fool. I'd guess and say white people were in the minority now. Actually, the county I grew up in is now one of the more dangerous counties in Texas.
Not that it matters, I'm just trying to make the point people need to learn to find their own way. We as a nation aren't owed anything.
Also, I don't know where "gunspoint" is. I grew up about 60 miles southwest of Houston.
Gunspoint is the nickname of the greenspoint area in north H.
Nobama, thankfully I haven't grown up there, and thankfully I've had an opportunity to go to college and have a better future. I am only educating Justin, who seems to think he's had a hard life and what was available to him is available to everyone else.
So, is "Gunspoint" a bad area/ghetto/projects or something? Sorry, I'm not familiar with TX.
Regards
Educating me? You are so full of fucking shit. Greenspoint? Give me a break. I never ever ever ever fucking ever said I had a hard life. If you would get your pimple faced head out of your ass you'd have read what I posted and see the point I explicitly made.
I'll be honest and tell you it fucking hurt me tremendously when you told me you were from Texas. The stench of your liberalism stains this great state.
Justin, you fat fuck, I have a perfect complexion. You posted that you didn't have anything handed to you and you are so hopelessly sheltered that you think that just because your parents didn't buy you a new car for graduation or pay for your college, you werent privileged enough.
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Rant off, Let's try and get back on topic.
Maybe we should just start dumping tons of guns and shit in the ghettos and see what happens? Problem might solve itself? mabye? Or am I just too hopeful?
Fat fuck? Funny, Im anything but that. Point in fact my parents have never bought me a car. It seems to me you need to learn to read and understand what is fact and what is in your own little head. YOu are sheltered, I've seen and worked with these people from ghettos for the majority of my life. Now get off my jock and do something productive.
Ok, you are not fat, you are big boned. Lay off the fried shit maybe then your acne will clear up as well.
I did assume your parents never bought you a car, that's why I said that you think you had a hard life because they haven't bought you a car. Duh.
Ok I get it, you're trolling like you did when you spit on the Iraqi Veteran from Columbia. Hahaha, you got me riled up...good job.
1) I didn't spit on Iraqi veteran 2) you really didn't need to mention you lived in a trailer - it quite clearly shows.
You're goooooood. I elect you #1 troll of WSO!
Thank you for the vote of confidence. My fans mean a lot to me, couldn't have possibly done it without your support guys!
Back to the original topic: When I hear someone call him or herself Aftican, I assume they are a citizen of one of the African countries, and not USofA (same thing with Mexican/German/English/Irish/etc etc)
If I'm not mistaken, guests of this land are a subject to identification check and a vehicle and domain search whenever the officer deems necessary. So there's nothing unlawful or unconstitutional or even unethical about the series of searches in the African community. You can't blame the officers for not realizing that these Urdu Africans were in fact African Americans (or were they?)
I think you problem is that you are trying to combine several different directions of this thread into one. One of the directions is what happened in that particular neighborhood and whether cops were justified to use the search tactics the allegedly used. I don't think anyone even implied that because the kids in ghettos have a hard life, they shouldn't be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Another direction is about this community not identifying themselves as American and instead claiming affiliation with a completely different continent. I believe I made it quite clear what I think about that. And a third direction was what to do about this problem? How to resolve the issue of these disenfranchised youths and how to ensure they don't become the next lost generation? In that context Ant and your friend offered a solution and I supported their opinion and also elaborated on some issues I feel it is important that we prevent (i.e. increased recruitment of these kids into Islam).
I am not from the ghetto, if that's what you are implying. As I have mentioned before, both of my parents (and grandparents on both sides) have at least bachelor's degrees. I had to pay for my own college and buy my own car, and I had a summer job since I was 13 (fully supporting myself since I was 16) and it never even entered my head that I wouldn't go to college. I don't consider myself privileged, but at the same time I am well aware of the opportunities I've been given, from great genetics to being constantly surrounded by high quality information (my parents and grandparents had a ridiculous amount of books) to going through HS concentrating on how I'm going to win that competition and get those As instead of whether my mom's 3rd bf of the week is going to go off on me in a crack-induced rage, or if I'm gonna get jumped after school badly enough to have to go to the ER. Which is why it is funny to me that Justin considers himself underprivileged because he had to mow lawns and buy his own car/finance his own college, like pretty much most of middle-class America. And it's even more ironic (not funny anymore) that he feels people who cannot earn should die. (obviously, with their kids)
Anyways, the ghetto experience I'm referencing happened by mistake, I didn't give myself enough time to find decent housing for my internship and at the time wasn't yet aware of what were bad areas. It was eye-opening to say the least.
As far as this kid's confession goes - I would still reserve judgement until investigation and trial.
People confess to a lot of shit under pressure and when they try to cover up for somebody else. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but I would like to wait and make sure that the real killer goes behind bars.
No, you're right, we are obviously trying to address several things at once.
No, you didn't imply it but many of the people who commented on the previous linked FB page did and that relates directly to main point...that there is a sick and deadly mentality in these low income areas. Sadly much of this sentiment is propelled purely from a standpoint of race...and more so from blacks (not TO blacks) than any other race. I've seen it time and again where physical force or potentially deadly force is used after a high speed chase on a young black male who is a suspect in an armed robbery and there is an outrage from within the black community about these white officers who hurt this 'young, innocent kid'. Then the mom comes out and talks to the media about how the cops just picked him because he was black and he ran because he was scared and that the police used excessive force and that her baby is a good kid and he wouldn't hurt a fly. Then you see that he's 18 years old, had a gun on him, was driving a stolen car, is ID'd as the armed robber and that he has a record dating back to when he was 12 years old and he's been in and out of juvi for crimes ranging from battery to grand theft auto. And despite knowing all this the community rallies behind this poor mother because her baby has been taken away from her and then there is some sort of civil unrest in the streets and potential riots. This is what occurred in the FB link, all of these folks claiming to know the kid and how good he was but come to find out that he has a record for a number of crimes and admitted he was in the neighborhood looking to steal a car and shot the cop four time as he was pulling his notepad out and then fled the scene. Now his parents sit and cry when he is escorted in for his first appearance at the county courthouse and you wonder where his parents were when he missed the 42 days of school (so far) this year or what they were up to when their son was out at 3am attempting to steal a car?
In all fairness that article wasn't (to my knowledge) published by anyone that lives in the south St. Pete neighborhood where the cop was killed. It's just a very accessible example of the aforementioned anti-American, anti-white sentiment that seems to prevalent in these communities.
I'm not a fan of Islam so I agree with that point, however, I'm finding hard to understand the "disenfranchised youth" comment. If these kids don't know that there are other options for their future then how can they possibly know they are disenfranchised? And I'm not attempting to be confrontational with you, but like I said before, I believe in personal responsibility and not making excuses and I believe the 'no access to better opportunities' argument is just the "go-to" excuse for these people. Again, too many people have overcome the barriers of low income, project/trailer park living for me to place any validity of that argument. Typically the difference I've seen when I hear the stories about rags to riches vs. projects for life, especially amongst blacks, is they had someone who pushed them and forced them to do better (often a mother or grandmother). I can't say I loved going to school but I went, nearly every day, because I didn't feel like I had a choice because my parents made me...apparently that isn't the case in the inner city because the truancy rate is about as high as our national debt.
As far as Justin is concerned, I think he is imply he is 'underprivelaged' compared to others on this site and in the industry...which is probably true...but I also think our "poor" and disenfranchised members of society have it better than most of the people on the face of earth. In other countries being poor means you was your clothes in the sewer and you live in a one room hut with your whole family and you walk a few miles to school everyday. Here, people who live in the projects have indoor plumbing and electricity and wash their clothes at the laundry mat and have access to public transportation (in some cases). Point is, it's all relative. I grew up in a household where my father worked full time and my step-mom had a part-time at-home business and both only had a high school education. Maybe the income from that would be okay to raise one kid (my sister lived with my biological mother) but it wasn't a good amount to raise half a dozen (my parents functioned as foster parents for many years) but my parents made it work. So yeah, I always had a roof over my head and the electricity didn't get shut off and I never went hungry (though I do remember many nights of eating Ramen noodles)...but I don't consider myself privileged in the least, so I can understand where Justin is coming from. I benefited from genetics and my dad has a work ethic like I've never seen in anyone else but ultimately I got neglected (I use that term very loosely) because I was the 'real' son and I didn't have learning disabilities or health issues or physical disabilities like nearly all of my foster brothers and sisters. I spent a lot of hours feeding babies and changing diapers and visiting emergency rooms waiting for my brothers to get out of surgery after a dozen different shunt revisions (truthfully I feel like I've already been a father, lol). The point being, someone could look at my life and say that I was lucky because I got to play rec soccer every year and I had a bicycle and some roller blades but I also see the other side where you never get much for your birthday or your vacations consist of camping in a tent when your friends are visiting Rome and Eygpt. And don't get me wrong, I'm thankfully for how my life was because it made me who I am but I would be lying if I said I've never questioned what my life would be like if it was just my parents and me, especially after my dad moved up into management and my mom was able to start working full time because the house was no longer a long term daycare facility.
Anyways, I highly doubt this kid is covering for someone else given his confession, knowledge of the crime and the evidence that has come out thus far. I'm a fair person and will let the jury decide his fate (though I reserve the right to judge him at before the verdict) but this isn't the Mayberry Police department, they've done interrogations before and despite the popular misconception that they are just donut eaters, these detectives ask you so many questions in so many different ways it's nearly impossible to lie and not get caught up in it.
Regards
The rate of addressing the problem for some reason isn't, and it's not like it's impossible to do, here's Arizona's example:
"In the district with the highest percentage of truancies, ACT Now helped reduce truancies by 64 percent between 1996 and 1998. This program and versions of it are financially supported by the Department of Justice and have been implemented in many other states. Many states also hold parents accountable for their children's truancy, and Arizona was the first state to implement such laws. The rationale behind this movement was to coerce parents into taking an active role in their children's education and for all parties to take truancy laws and school attendance seriously."
http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/truancy
Well Justin hadn't exactly soared high enough yet to use himself as the poster child for the fruits of hard work and perseverance.
Poverty in and of itself is not the true problem, it's the social ills that accompany it: abuse and neglect are a lot more harmful than having to shit in an outhouse.
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That isn't even bad, at least anyone, can see that there is clearly words there. Go look at the comments on videos of Worldstarthiphop.... that is where the problems are within the black community
I actually spent a couple hours the other day reading through the comments...though they are so tough to understand I was only able to read six comment in that two hours, lol.
On a serious note, it's desturbing how bad the grammar and spelling is...not to mention that all of them Capitalize The First Letter Of Every Word...Which I Would Find Annoying To Do.
Regards
Greenspoint? Should have hung out in the Trey. The Fifth is nice too
Ya, 5th ward or 3rd ward are very nice areas...
When I was younger I used to go to Kings Flea Market quite often off of MLK BLVD. Very dicey area.
Rescanning through this post again...
I wish I had enough time to keep up with this
Bravo:
"Liberals like to focus on a portion of an argument (spelling/grammar/etc.) which has no impact on the point that was actually being made. It's like a slight of hand trick and it's typically used to distract others from realizing that the point being made never gets addressed."
Made me laugh. Well said - very true.
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Also, whoever says that we ought not to identify by our cultural background/heritage is just plain silly. There is nothing wrong with saying you're Hispanic, African-American, etc. The truth is there are differences in these cultures, ranging from food to customs. No reason to not identify with your ethnic background. However, I do think if you're going to be in this country you should also understand that you're an American.
In a free society people should be free to identify as they please. I thought most of you were in favor of freedom.
Identify with puff the magic dragon if you want, but if you identify with another country to the point that you put that country above America, you're not American and you can GTFO.
GTFO might be a little harsh, but def don't expect to take advantage of rights afforded to American citizens.
ANT, agreed. Unless you're here strictly for work - like as an expat.
I actually didn't read most of this thread. Good lord there are some angry folks on this board!
Bump. This discussion is extremely interesting. I just wanted to bump it up to the 1st page to see more people's input
In all seriousness, a big problem with people in the ghetto is the way that rap music in sensationalized. Listen to almost any mainstream rap song and it explicitly tells you what's wrong with the ghetto. These people try to live, if you will, the lyrics. Funny how when these rappers make it big the 1st thing they do is move out of the ghetto.
Argo, my problem is, the first people to complain about being left behind and neglected will be members of that group...in this case blacks. For some reason they have enough gumption to riot and protest but fizzle out when it's time to get their kids to school and to work on time.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be any social programs in place to help these types of folks out, but I am much more inclined (personally and as a taxpayer) to help out someone who is struggling to do something greater with their life (but trying), as opposed to someone who wants government subsidies so they can get some new kicks or smoke cigarettes and drink malt liquor all day on the corner.
Ultimately I don't see the black community trying to help themselves, only complaining that they can't achieve because of x, y, and z...and that it isn't their fault, it's because a generation they've likely never met were slaves and because of racism.
Regards
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