When does that happen?
I see some analysts who get into stupid fights with their peers but suck up/get along with MDs/seniors.
Are the other analysts/assiociates jealous?
Or is the analyst cocky?
Who's the problem/what's to blame?
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doesn't matter in the IBD world...he who sucks the most cock, gets the highest bonus and perhaps the job at BX or Carlyle
Some people are just D-bags. This doesn't stop them from being able to do their job or suck up.
And whose fault is it, could be either. I have known analysts who are just d-bags and others who just don't fit in/get along with their groups. Just do your job, make some friends, and get along with senior people.
How can we help these analysts "fit in" with their peers?
Analysts not getting along with other analysts can be a problem. That being said if you are your groups top analyst and work closely with an MD or two, you can pretty much get away with whatever you want after your first year.
Most of the analyst/associate not getting along is when an incompetent associate is creating useless work for a strong analyst. Can be a huge drain when analyst is getting crushed and is normally very simply dealt with. "Associate X, I have to get the to MD Y by six in the morning, if I don't I will let him know it was you holding me up that prevented it." Problem solved.
Isn't that a litte immature?
Absolutely not. You have to push back in SOME way - if an associate is creating useless work (which happens far, far too often - generally when an associate is trying to "add value," which means "add work to the analyst's pile of shit to do"), you need to find a way to say no. If a simple "I am slammed, can't do it" doesn't work, you need to explain to him what you have going on. Doing work for an MD takes precedent over some BS associate work, and if the associate pushes you to do it despite knowing you have work to do for your MD, you need to let your MD know why the work wasn't done on time. But generally the associate will get the hint.
Do all analysts have to get along? (Originally Posted: 11/20/2009)
Recently accepted a BB offer and heard from HR that a few of the analysts are also from my school. When I found out more specifics from friends I realized that most of them were the arrogant douches in my classes who like to brag about their accomplishments and literally "rank" people by what type of job they get. I was also bummed to find out they had less than stellar credentials.
What I'm most concerned about is having to work banking hours with these idiots for 2-years without any escape. I'm so bummed that my analyst class probably isn't as cool or laid back as I wanted them to be so I'm wondering if it's best that I fake being happy and enthusiastic around them. Should analysts be friends or can the relationship be maintained at a distance? Anyone have stories to share?
Most BB's have people from less-than-stellar credentials, especially the lower ones. Its about networking, drive, and luck. Just suck it up and do the job and stop worrying about your peers. Even firms like JPM have a lot of baruch/buffalo and random weirdos there in IBD and S&T.
My friend was a top grad from my school with a 3.9 and he worked next to state school kids with 3.0's at his BB 'cause they got pulled in by an alum. Used to bother him but now he's getting PE interviews even in this economy while they have nothing, so everything works out in the end as long as you keep your own goals in sight while "ignoring the losers" - Aleksey Vayner.
You'll find that most people in banking aren't 4.0 students from top schools and are also cool, laid back and down to earth. To answer your first question, no, you probably won't get along with everyone, which is completely normal. Most relationships can be maintained at a distance, but their general douchiness will shine through soon enough. Every firm has guys like you, guys like them, and everything between. Agree with post above: just do your thing and ignore what happens with everyone else. You got the job for a reason.
I certainly didn't get along with everyone in my analyst class. Had a couple of really good buddies that I'd frequently get lunch with / go out with on weekends. Make sure you get a few good friends and then after that, it doesn't matter.
Note, this doesn't mean be a complete jerk to those you don't like. You have to maintain at least some level of politeness and fake it. They will likely do the same in return.
You don't have to be best friends with all or even any of the analysts, but you should be cordial and social as situations arise. You will find out that you will meet some good people, some bad, and some that are practically invisible as they have no interest in socializing. Find yourself some good people, and then just be civil and social with the rest - you see someone on the street or at a bar, say hello, but you don't need to hang out every weekend together and fake a strong bond - just be a decent person in general.
Furthermore, you are getting into banking and while there are many cool people that are laid back and fun to hang out, there are also many people that are D bags, or are completely socially awkward, or are pompous and arrogant as hell and it is just the nature of the beast. Find the good ones, and just be decent to the rest - you will be working a ton and in your free time you will find a few good people to hang out with - don't worry, the entire analyst class will not be like your former classmates - if they are in fact as bad as you make it seem.
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