Obama, easy victory with economic numbers?

Personally, I don't buy all the "green-shoots" BS. However, the jobs number today blew out all estimates. Unemployment has hit 8.3% down 9.3% from 3 years ago. Again, I don't really want to bring up the underlying systemic issues (ie: reality). I am looking at this headline as the AVERAGE voter would. If more economic numbers follow this trend, I think Obama will be unbeatable.

What do you guys think?

 

God bless this nation. It amazes me how we can continue to rebound with a President that wants to ruin this country so much. Unfortunately I don't know if even the US can withstand 4 more years of kryptonite in office.

Maybe his wife should shut down 5th ave some more and buy luxury lingerie while Americans are out of work.

This is what happens when nouveau riche is allowed in office.

 
TheKing:
Yup, the moderate Democrat is purposefully ruining America. What?

Moderate Democrat my ass. Bill Clinton became moderate. Obama has none of the skill or the charm of Clinton. If, even if, his actions right now are more moderate than in the beginning it is because of Republicans taking the House and forcing him to the center.

 
ANT:
TheKing:
Yup, the moderate Democrat is purposefully ruining America. What?

Moderate Democrat my ass. Bill Clinton became moderate. Obama has none of the skill or the charm of Clinton. If, even if, his actions right now are more moderate than in the beginning it is because of Republicans taking the House and forcing him to the center.

Rubbish. Obama was ALWAYS a moderate Democrat. Right now he's ruling on the right because of the rabid lunatic mad-dog tea party republicans.

But naturally, republicans are never happy. And citizens united ensures that the will of the people will never be heard.

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.
 

Just received the following email a couple hours ago and it made me chuckle:

Here's another way to look at the Debt Ceiling:

Let's say, you come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood.

Your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings.

What do you think you should do? ……

Raise the ceilings, or pump out the shit?

Your choice is coming Nov. 2012

 
Edmundo Braverman:
Just received the following email a couple hours ago and it made me chuckle:

Here's another way to look at the Debt Ceiling:

Let's say, you come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood.

Your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings.

What do you think you should do? ……

Raise the ceilings, or pump out the shit?

Your choice is coming Nov. 2012

Sick of this false argument. The debt ceiling is a fixed amount that is not relative to the size of GDP.

The thesis you present would be more accurate if the house as a whole was expanding, not just the ceiling.

 
TheMasao:
Edmundo Braverman:
Just received the following email a couple hours ago and it made me chuckle:

Here's another way to look at the Debt Ceiling:

Let's say, you come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood.

Your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings.

What do you think you should do? ……

Raise the ceilings, or pump out the shit?

Your choice is coming Nov. 2012

Sick of this false argument. The debt ceiling is a fixed amount that is not relative to the size of GDP.

The thesis you present would be more accurate if the house as a whole was expanding, not just the ceiling.

damn...you sure told him...that was killer, bro

 

We deserve everything that happens to us. Period. If we want to pretend he's doing a good job with the economy, fuck it. I'm done thinking about it, other than to consider how I can exploit the rubes who re-elect him.

 
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1) Obama was a community organizer in friggin Chicago, don't give me that bullshit that he is moderate anything.

2) Please define what a citizen is. People who support gun rights have the NRA, union members have the AFL CIO, Federal workers have their lobby group, every racial group has a lobbying arm, womens rights, gay rights, on and on.

The only "citizens" who have no voice are common people who go to work and want to be left the fuck alone. This idea that evil overlords (aka F500 companies) act as monolithic creatures is comical. Business promotes its best interest because the shareholders demand it. Oh, F500 also employes a large chuck of Americans.

Oh, but wait, the largest of American employers, small business owners, just love Obama and his anti business regime.

According to the anointed one it is not his fault. Then again I suppose him taking blame would be too foreign of a concept to him. .

 
ANT:
1) Obama was a community organizer in friggin Chicago, don't give me that bullshit that he is moderate anything.

This is not a good argument. Just because Obama was an community organizer doesn't mean his policies aren't moderate. He has cut regulation, initiated foreign wars, continued Bush's war on terror tactics, deported illegals like nobody's business and kept tax cuts on the rich. But conservatives are extremists so no matter what Obama does, besides getting rid of taxes entirely, changing his black ancestors to white ones and setting up a moat around the border, he'll never please.

2) Please define what a citizen is. People who support gun rights have the NRA, union members have the AFL CIO, Federal workers have their lobby group, every racial group has a lobbying arm, womens rights, gay rights, on and on.

Pretty self-evident: A human being with American citizenship. One can lobby government with special interest groups but that is not to say special interest can ever be considered people.

The only "citizens" who have no voice are common people who go to work and want to be left the fuck alone. This idea that evil overlords (aka F500 companies) act as monolithic creatures is comical. Business promotes its best interest because the shareholders demand it. Oh, F500 also employes a large chuck of Americans.

Normal citizens not having a say isn't made better by allowing corporations to have more of a say.

Oh, but wait, the largest of American employers, small business owners, just love Obama and his anti business regime.

Obama's economy-destroying policies have created 3.3 million private sector jobs since 2010.

And Mitt Romney has no creditability with Americans: "Romney 7AM: "I'm not concerned about the very poor." Romney 1PM: "Of course I'm concerned about all Americans"

 
Keile:
ANT:
1) Obama was a community organizer in friggin Chicago, don't give me that bullshit that he is moderate anything.

This is not a good argument. Just because Obama was an community organizer doesn't mean his policies aren't moderate. He has cut regulation, initiated foreign wars, continued Bush's war on terror tactics, deported illegals like nobody's business and kept tax cuts on the rich. But conservatives are extremists so no matter what Obama does, besides getting rid of taxes entirely, changing his black ancestors to white ones and setting up a moat around the border, he'll never please.

2) Please define what a citizen is. People who support gun rights have the NRA, union members have the AFL CIO, Federal workers have their lobby group, every racial group has a lobbying arm, womens rights, gay rights, on and on.

Pretty self-evident: A human being with American citizenship. One can lobby government with special interest groups but that is not to say special interest can ever be considered people.

The only "citizens" who have no voice are common people who go to work and want to be left the fuck alone. This idea that evil overlords (aka F500 companies) act as monolithic creatures is comical. Business promotes its best interest because the shareholders demand it. Oh, F500 also employes a large chuck of Americans.

Normal citizens not having a say isn't made better by allowing corporations to have more of a say.

Oh, but wait, the largest of American employers, small business owners, just love Obama and his anti business regime.

Obama's economy-destroying policies have created 3.3 million private sector jobs since 2010.

And Mitt Romney has no creditability with Americans: "Romney 7AM: "I'm not concerned about the very poor." Romney 1PM: "Of course I'm concerned about all Americans"

3.3 million private sector jobs you say. You do realize that the temps for the census were on government payroll right?

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

You call them rabid lunatics. I call them true Americans and patriots. Didn't realize strengthening the Constitution and reducing the ever growing size of government was a lunatic concept.

Keep hoping for that change. I am sure when we have the wonderful success that Europe has now and our taxes are all at 50% to fund Obama and his nanny state you will be happy.

 
ANT:
You call them rabid lunatics. I call them true Americans and patriots. Didn't realize strengthening the Constitution and reducing the ever growing size of government was a lunatic concept.

Keep hoping for that change. I am sure when we have the wonderful success that Europe has now and our taxes are all at 50% to fund Obama and his nanny state you will be happy.

Listen - I've got questions about Obama, loads of them. Bailing out wall street for starters. But calling Newt and Romney true Americans and patriots? That deserves a laugh, surely.

And there's absolutely NO evidence that Obama planned to raise taxes to 50%. None. Constitution? Oh you mean that document that was ripped up by Bush??

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.
 
Anomanderis:
ANT:
You call them rabid lunatics. I call them true Americans and patriots. Didn't realize strengthening the Constitution and reducing the ever growing size of government was a lunatic concept.

Keep hoping for that change. I am sure when we have the wonderful success that Europe has now and our taxes are all at 50% to fund Obama and his nanny state you will be happy.

Listen - I've got questions about Obama, loads of them. Bailing out wall street for starters. But calling Newt and Romney true Americans and patriots? That deserves a laugh, surely.

And there's absolutely NO evidence that Obama planned to raise taxes to 50%. None. Constitution? Oh you mean that document that was ripped up by Bush??

So Newt and Romney are tea party members now? I don't remember mentioning them when I said Patriots.

I also didn't bring up Bush, but it seems as if you have some Obama in you in that regard.

And yes, Bush and the Federal government walked on the Constitution. Obama is just doing more of the same.

 

Anomanderis, did you join just to be full of crap? I can almost see the vein in your forehead when you type "rabid lunatic mad-dog tea party republicans," which I assume includes everyone who values a solvent government. You should have said tea baggers in all caps.

When Obama wins in 2012, and the left celebrates, what specifically will the left be celebrating? I know the GOP field stinks, nevermind that. What specific good is four more years of the Perpetual Candidate going to bring, other than more evidence that liberalism does not work? Maybe the rationale is Bush got to give an 8-yr lesson on the failures of nationbuilding, so it's only fair.

 
Scott Irish:
Anomanderis, did you join just to be full of crap? I can almost see the vein in your forehead when you type "rabid lunatic mad-dog tea party republicans," which I assume includes everyone who values a solvent government. You should have said tea baggers in all caps.

When Obama wins in 2012, and the left celebrates, what specifically will the left be celebrating? I know the GOP field stinks, nevermind that. What specific good is four more years of the Perpetual Candidate going to bring, other than more evidence that liberalism does not work? Maybe the rationale is Bush got to give an 8-yr lesson on the failures of nationbuilding, so it's only fair.

Your last sentence finally catches my attention.

You seem to think I like Obama. I do not. Neither do I like hypocritical and overreaching tea-partiers who have nothing to offer but obstruction.

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.
 

Fuck O'bama's idealistic view of the world. Fuck his praising of small business and manufacturing. This country has two industry powerhouses: Silicon Valley and Wall Street. His administration wants to only have one.

 
Bernankey:
Fuck O'bama's idealistic view of the world. Fuck his praising of small business and manufacturing. This country has two industry powerhouses: Silicon Valley and Wall Street. His administration wants to only have one.

Wall street? The one that got bailed out with seven Trillion of taxpayer money, that's a powerhouse?

Am I missing something here??

And where did you get this Obama's world view from? The Glenn Beck show??

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.
 
Anomanderis:
Bernankey:
Fuck O'bama's idealistic view of the world. Fuck his praising of small business and manufacturing. This country has two industry powerhouses: Silicon Valley and Wall Street. His administration wants to only have one.

Wall street? The one that got bailed out with seven Trillion of taxpayer money, that's a powerhouse?

Am I missing something here??

And where did you get this Obama's world view from? The Glenn Beck show??

Bailout or no bailout...do you want all of finance to migrate elsewhere along with the multibillion dollar industry? The government turned that so called "bailout" into a handsome profit. and by obama's view of the world, im referring to his propaganda spewing nonesense about manufacturing and small business being key to reviving the economy and his attack on the american dream (get rich or die trying.)

 

Praise is cheap. He hasn't done dick for small business and how is he helping manufacturing? Get real. The guy is a decent orator when he has his holographic machine in front of him. Otherwise he is just a friggin clown.

 

I don't remember the details off the top of my head, but there was a big depreciation acceleration tax credit that passed which actually helped small - to - mid sized businesses a lot. One of my firm's companies recently bought a shit ton of new manufacturing equipment, and we got major tax savings because of something passed by this administration.

But, yeah, Obama hates business and wants to raise our taxes to 90%.

At least complain about relevant, specific shit.

 
TheKing:
I don't remember the details off the top of my head, but there was a big depreciation acceleration tax credit that passed which actually helped small - to - mid sized businesses a lot. One of my firm's companies recently bought a shit ton of new manufacturing equipment, and we got major tax savings because of something passed by this administration.

But, yeah, Obama hates business and wants to raise our taxes to 90%.

At least complain about relevant, specific shit.

Those are just measly details. It's all about Obama's anti hard working, tax paying American rhetoric! That's what is destroying this country!

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."
 

Unfortunately, I dont see the "numbers" for the economy getting anything but better until after the election.

The Obama Admin will play the numbers so that they are able to get the best numbers down on paper. You are going to be seeing a ton of spending from govts all across the world because there are a bunch who are in election years. This influx of $$ and the play with the #'s will 'prop' up the US Economy to make it look like Obama is doing a fab job. In reality (as we all know here), the economy is in a terrible terrible mess... but the average voter is fucking dumber then a box of rocks.

75% chance Obama takes a 2nd term.

 

Uhh, the bailout was way more than TARP, it totals in the TRILLIONS thanks to secret lending by the Fed. Just take literally 5 minutes to do some research and you'll see that the "handsome profit" is total bullshit.

Beyond that, if you support TARP because it's a "good investment," then I suppose the government should be in the business of central planning. I hope you never in your life complain about investments in clean energy companies if you are pro bailout.

 
TheKing:
Uhh, the bailout was way more than TARP, it totals in the TRILLIONS thanks to secret lending by the Fed. Just take literally 5 minutes to do some research and you'll see that the "handsome profit" is total bullshit.

Beyond that, if you support TARP because it's a "good investment," then I suppose the government should be in the business of central planning. I hope you never in your life complain about investments in clean energy companies if you are pro bailout.

Finally someone who knows the real story. 7 Trillion handed to the banks through the backdoor (yeah, the backdoor bailout). Not Tarp, that was "mere" billions.

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.
 
TheKing:
Don't forget about the AIG bailout which funneled billions to the TBTF banks at 100 cents on the dollar. We're not getting that shit back!

Exactly! And said banks, what did they do with all this free money? Riight, bonuses. Huge ones. And Goldmine was smug enough to claim that they would have survived without Tarp. They wouldn't.

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.
 

LOL, this is gold. Most of you have no idea about business at all. It makes me laugh. Accelerated depreciation, only benefits companies that have money to buy equipment. Obama is killing the American economy in a death by paper cuts manner. There is no one KO punch, its a constant barage of jabs. You guys are set in your policital corners and just love to shit on each other. The fact of the matter is that unemployment numbers are a lie. The recovery is a manufactured lie. Economic activity increasing based on GDP is a lie. Look at it this way, you have 4 to 5% inflation and a 1 to 2% growth in the economy based on GDP do you really think the economy grew by 1 to 2% or did it shrink by 2 to 4%?

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 
heister:
LOL, this is gold. Most of you have no idea about business at all. It makes me laugh. Accelerated depreciation, only benefits companies that have money to buy equipment. Obama is killing the American economy in a death by paper cuts manner. There is no one KO punch, its a constant barage of jabs. You guys are set in your policital corners and just love to shit on each other. The fact of the matter is that unemployment numbers are a lie. The recovery is a manufactured lie. Economic activity increasing based on GDP is a lie. Look at it this way, you have 4 to 5% inflation and a 1 to 2% growth in the economy based on GDP do you really think the economy grew by 1 to 2% or did it shrink by 2 to 4%?

Heister...who cares if they already have the money to buy equipment? It helps them make expansionary capex investments and grow, this is what our company did and it's grown since then. This obviously has an effect on the entire supply chain, our company grows and can serve more customers, the companies that make the machines benefit, their suppliers benefit, etc. There is no reason to knock this at all.

Now, how is there a "death by paper cuts" thing going on? I'm not saying you can't make that argument, I just want to understand specifics.

The way I look at it is that the nature of the crisis we went through in 2008 was so destructive, that there aren't any specific policies that could quickly bring the economy back. Entire industries were devastated, and millions of jobs have been automated. People's expectations are way too high.

 
TheKing:
heister:
LOL, this is gold. Most of you have no idea about business at all. It makes me laugh. Accelerated depreciation, only benefits companies that have money to buy equipment. Obama is killing the American economy in a death by paper cuts manner. There is no one KO punch, its a constant barage of jabs. You guys are set in your policital corners and just love to shit on each other. The fact of the matter is that unemployment numbers are a lie. The recovery is a manufactured lie. Economic activity increasing based on GDP is a lie. Look at it this way, you have 4 to 5% inflation and a 1 to 2% growth in the economy based on GDP do you really think the economy grew by 1 to 2% or did it shrink by 2 to 4%?

Heister...who cares if they already have the money to buy equipment? It helps them make expansionary capex investments and grow, this is what our company did and it's grown since then. This obviously has an effect on the entire supply chain, our company grows and can serve more customers, the companies that make the machines benefit, their suppliers benefit, etc. There is no reason to knock this at all.

Now, how is there a "death by paper cuts" thing going on? I'm not saying you can't make that argument, I just want to understand specifics.

The way I look at it is that the nature of the crisis we went through in 2008 was so destructive, that there aren't any specific policies that could quickly bring the economy back. Entire industries were devastated, and millions of jobs have been automated. People's expectations are way too high.

The acclerated dep has done nothing for the small and midsized business of the economy. You are the guy who loves to rave about demand creating economic activity. The only companies that have benefited from the acclerated dep are big companies that have been waiting for the government to do that to in order to upgrade their fleets. I own part of a maufacturing firm that serves the telecom industry. Trust me, I know how this works. The smaller companies were holding us over while the big fleets were holding back purchasing and forcing the governments hand in the deprecation write off.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 
heister:
LOL, this is gold. Most of you have no idea about business at all. It makes me laugh. Accelerated depreciation, only benefits companies that have money to buy equipment. Obama is killing the American economy in a death by paper cuts manner. There is no one KO punch, its a constant barage of jabs. You guys are set in your policital corners and just love to shit on each other. The fact of the matter is that unemployment numbers are a lie. The recovery is a manufactured lie. Economic activity increasing based on GDP is a lie. Look at it this way, you have 4 to 5% inflation and a 1 to 2% growth in the economy based on GDP do you really think the economy grew by 1 to 2% or did it shrink by 2 to 4%?

I didn't think inflation has been that high?

Also, can you expound on how the economy "shrinks" when inflation outpaces real GDP growth? I'm not challenging that, I just would like to hear, more explicitly, what you're saying.

 
swagon:
heister:
LOL, this is gold. Most of you have no idea about business at all. It makes me laugh. Accelerated depreciation, only benefits companies that have money to buy equipment. Obama is killing the American economy in a death by paper cuts manner. There is no one KO punch, its a constant barage of jabs. You guys are set in your policital corners and just love to shit on each other. The fact of the matter is that unemployment numbers are a lie. The recovery is a manufactured lie. Economic activity increasing based on GDP is a lie. Look at it this way, you have 4 to 5% inflation and a 1 to 2% growth in the economy based on GDP do you really think the economy grew by 1 to 2% or did it shrink by 2 to 4%?

I didn't think inflation has been that high?

Also, can you expound on how the economy "shrinks" when inflation outpaces real GDP growth? I'm not challenging that, I just would like to hear, more explicitly, what you're saying.

Official inflation numbers are lower, they do not include energy and food. My company has seen raw material prices rise close to 10% of the last year and a half. That is just manufacturing materials not transportation.

When infalation out paces GDP growth it is because the economy is shinking in relation to inflation. If the economy was stagnant it would grow at the rate of inflation because prices would track inflation.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

I don't think Obama's been bad for the economy given the amount of political bickering. The deficit spending was almost preordained.

I do have a major problem that he hasn't gotten the long term spending picture for social security and/or medicare under control. If he fixed those issues he would be the best president since Eisenhower most likely.

 
JeffSkilling:
PetEng:
he would be the best president since Eisenhower most likely.

No, just no.

Fixing the long term budget deficit situation wouldn't make him the best president since Eisenhower? Which one would be better?
 

Heister -

Our company does about $65M in revenue, it's not some huge powerhouse. There are companies that are technically considered "small businesses" that are larger.

I'm not sure what my argument that "demand creates economic activity" has to do with anything. We wouldn't have bought the machines without a belief that we'd be able to sell more product regardless of the tax incentives. However, that tax incentives are good for cash flow and will help accelerate growth in other initiatives.

Anyway you slice it, I don't see how it was a bad thing.

To follow, can you please give some specifics on the "death by paper cuts" analogy?

 
TheKing:
Heister -

Our company does about $65M in revenue, it's not some huge powerhouse. There are companies that are technically considered "small businesses" that are larger.

I'm not sure what my argument that "demand creates economic activity" has to do with anything. We wouldn't have bought the machines without a belief that we'd be able to sell more product regardless of the tax incentives. However, that tax incentives are good for cash flow and will help accelerate growth in other initiatives.

Anyway you slice it, I don't see how it was a bad thing.

To follow, can you please give some specifics on the "death by paper cuts" analogy?

Im just saying that a tax break does not make small and medium sized companies buy capital assets. Large companies will purchase capital assets because of a tax break.

The death by paper cuts example includes things like obama care, new environmental requirements, more regulation, ect ect. Any one of these wouldnt kill most companies but when you combine them they kill growth and in many instances have killed companies. A supplier has been forced to close do to environmental regulations. This has caused us to loose a large margin percentage and forced us to lay people off. The regulation didnt cause direct duress on my company however it caused indirect harm,

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

heister, it seems like you're saying 2 things: 1. people are wrong to applaud growth in nominal GDP - they should instead look at real GDP growth...ok I gotcha there 2. But it seems like you're saying inflation is bad in and of itself. Why? Is it because new money supply is not spread evenly around the economy, causing a temporary imbalance between prices and wages? In other words, as new money is loaned out to businesses, they buy things with the cash, causing prices to increase while nominal wages remain stagnant because wages are stickier than prices? So, wage increases are always one step behind price increases every time the Fed injects more money supply into the system?

 
swagon:
heister, it seems like you're saying 2 things: 1. people are wrong to applaud growth in nominal GDP - they should instead look at real GDP growth...ok I gotcha there 2. But it seems like you're saying inflation is bad in and of itself. Why? Is it because new money supply is not spread evenly around the economy, causing a temporary imbalance between prices and wages? In other words, as new money is loaned out to businesses, they buy things with the cash, causing prices to increase while nominal wages remain stagnant because wages are stickier than prices? So, wage increases are always one step behind price increases every time the Fed injects more money supply into the system?

Yes, to both. However the argument I am making is that the decreaing real GDP is draging down the effect that inflation should have on a level economy.

Also it has to do with the devaluation of the dollar and eroding purchasing power. I have not done enough digging to determine exactly what is casuing the inflation and GDP growth. However either cause has the same effect and are both bad for consumers who have fixed wages that do not track inflation. Inflation in of itself is not bad.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

during the last 3 months, 1.2 MILLION people dropped out of the work force (discouraged workers).

That is why it ''technically'' dropped. Reality is, unemployment is up and real rate is around 15% min.

 
Abdel:
during the last 3 months, 1.2 MILLION people dropped out of the work force (discouraged workers).

That is why it ''technically'' dropped. Reality is, unemployment is up and real rate is around 15% min.

What actually happened is the Census bureau adjusted their population number accounting for a large increase in the population for the groups of 55+ and from 16-24. This, in effect, decreases the participation rate as well. On the positive, the employment-population ratio increased signaling that the increase in non-farm jobs does actually represent recovery. See WSJ.

 

Nothing like a sycophant Obama lover to make me sick on a Saturday night.

Who gives a fuck about poor people? I didn't realize I was Constitutionally obligated to care. Freedom and capitalism has created wealth and prosperity. Some people fail, but that is life.

Go take your bleeding heart to Red-shit or Huffpo or some other liberal trash.

 
ANT:
Nothing like a sycophant Obama lover to make me sick on a Saturday night.

Who gives a fuck about poor people? I didn't realize I was Constitutionally obligated to care. Freedom and capitalism has created wealth and prosperity. Some people fail, but that is life.

Go take your bleeding heart to Red-shit or Huffpo or some other liberal trash.

wow....

to quote Stephen Colbert-

"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesnt help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just dont want to do it"

"Life all comes down to a few moments. This is one of them." - Bud Fox
 

Community organizer, academic and undistinguished Senator. Wow. And now a failed and incompetent President.

Only hope and change I am dreaming with is when the anointed one gets on a plane and goes back home.

 
ANT:
Community organizer, academic and undistinguished Senator. Wow. And now a failed and incompetent President.

How does one become a "distinguished" senator in three years' time? As far as I can tell Obama was a seasoned professional with leadership skill (Top 40 Under 40? Board memberships? Directorships?) even before he ran for Senate. I don't know what GWB did except fail at everything. The only success he ever had was winning a governorship, and he won that race partly because he is the son of a former president. Conservatives never brought up GWB's many frailties in like manner to the way they're attacking Obama. I would be more sympathetic to your criticism if they weren't so vitriolic and unbalanced.

This comes from Ryan Avent, a economics reporter for the Economist, on Twitter: "Of course, the S&P is up 58% under Obama, after falling 38% under Bush. No surprise that the capitalist class loves O. Right?"

I find it hard to believe small business owners and capitalists can hate Obama after his successes and Bush's failures. As usual facts take second to politics.

Only hope and change I am dreaming with is when the anointed one gets on a plane and goes back home.

You're obviously a Tea Time conservatard. Opposing viewpoints don't matter to you; only soundbites.

ANT:
Nothing like a sycophant Obama lover to make me sick on a Saturday night.

Trust me, I don't like Obama nearly as much as you hate him.

Who gives a fuck about poor people? I didn't realize I was Constitutionally obligated to care. Freedom and capitalism has created wealth and prosperity. Some people fail, but that is life.[

No one is constitutionally obligated to care about others but I think it's an expectation the President should care about America's least fortunate as much as he does America's most fortunate. Without the less fortunate, the more fortunate would have nothing and no one to sell their wares. The President isn't married to capitalism; he's married to America.

There is no contradiction in caring about poor people and believing in freedom and capitalism (insofar as you aren't referring to unbridled capitalism and unfettered freedom).

Go take your bleeding heart to Red-shit or Huffpo or some other liberal trash.

You're so angry, arrogant and hidebound. It's unbecoming. It's funny you believe in freedom but can't even contain you authoritarian streak. You'd rather I leave and never return because my good faith opinion is different to your own.

 
RagnarDanneskjold:
Personally, I don't buy all the "green-shoots" BS. However, the jobs number today blew out all estimates. Unemployment has hit 8.3% down 9.3% from 3 years ago. Again, I don't really want to bring up the underlying systemic issues (ie: reality). I am looking at this headline as the AVERAGE voter would. If more economic numbers follow this trend, I think Obama will be unbeatable.

What do you guys think?

Things are definitely looking good for him. Reagan is the only president to have won re-election with an unemployment rate above 7.5%, but did so with a 1.5% drop in the last few months leading up to the election. If the base #s continue to look good, Obama will have significant momentum.

 

So sad that clown-bama is going to get re-elected because people are dropping out of the job search. Four more years of class warfare to enjoy. The only thing I hope for is Republicans taking the Senate and making the anointed ones life miserable.

 

Obama will win. Period.

A guy like Romney who says stuff like: "corporations are people", "I don't care about the very poor" and "we should double Guantanamo!" will NOT be elected... especially against Obama and his (very positive) results.

For all the complainers about the DEBT just checked your facts and ask yourself what would you have done in similar circumstances.

"Whenever you feel like criticizing any one...just remember that all the people in this world haven't had the advantages that you've had." 'The Great Gatsby' - F. Scott Fitzgerald
 
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For all the complainers about the DEBT just checked your facts and ask yourself what would you have done in similar circumstances.

I would have not added $5 Trillion to the national debt, I would not have bailed out Detroit, I would not pretend like this problem can be solved with higher taxes, and I would not have funneled taxpayer money into companies like Solyndra and Ener1 that went bankrupt, but that's just me.

 

I can\'t possibly fathom why anyone other than Goldman Sachs board members, would want obama or romney to win. Its sad that most likely There\'s no fucking difference between them.

The only one fit the run the country by far is Ron Paul. The only one who does not believe the keynesian crap taught to obama and romney and all the other candidates at HPY.

Ron paul accurately predicted evens like 9/11 and the housing bubble years before they unfolded. The others just made it worse.

Notice how obama and romney top supporters are wall street. They\'re the same thing.

 

I have a question. Why do any of us care? I mean this IS a Wall Street forum and we either work in finance or want to work in finance. Shouldn\'t we want someone who will cow toe to the street?

 

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