Obama Introduces 23 Executive Orders on Gun Control

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With the new gun control executive orders, we have a slew of new privacy issues to deal with disguised as additional checks on gun owners. I don't want to sound like Alex Jones here, but signing an executive order to violate HIPA privacy for the sake of gun ownership background checks doesn't feel right to me. The 23 executive orders are below:

1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

11. "Nominate an ATF director."

12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

Link to the full article here: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-anno...

Discuss!

Comments (51)

Jan 16, 2013

It seems like he did what he could, touching as many bases as possible, and left the big stuff for Congress where it belongs.

TNA will probably be in soon and ruin any chances of a civil discussion though, but you've been here longer than me so you already know that

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." --Abraham Lincoln

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Jan 16, 2013
OkComputer:

It seems like he did what he could, touching as many bases as possible, and left the big stuff for Congress where it belongs.

TNA will probably be in soon and ruin any chances of a civil discussion though, but you've been here longer than me so you already know that

Wow, cry a little more.

Obama did what the government should have been doing all along. Wow, share information, follow up on crimes, pursue conviction. Shocking. Where was Obama on pushing the government to actually, I don't know, do its job in the first place.

So let me understand something. We needed an executive order to actually have shit get done, something that should have normally happened for years now, but we are talking about additional laws and restrictions? Makes perfect sense.

Guns are safe, statistics show this. End the drug war if you want to reduce gun violence. Plain fact is inner city black kids dying doesn't get air time like a isolated school shooting. Kids are at greater risk of dying on the way to school than in school, but irrational fear is what guides people.

Sorry if I don't go lock step with your desire to further restrict a fundamental freedom of Americans. Doesn't mean it is less civil. In fact, your preemptive and unnecessary personal attack on me and my stance is the core of incivility.

Jan 16, 2013
OkComputer:

It seems like he did what he could, touching as many bases as possible, and left the big stuff for Congress where it belongs.

TNA will probably be in soon and ruin any chances of a civil discussion though, but you've been here longer than me so you already know that

agreed on this. TNA just cant handle a civil discussion about politics

Jan 16, 2013
CaliforniaAnalyst:
OkComputer:

It seems like he did what he could, touching as many bases as possible, and left the big stuff for Congress where it belongs.

TNA will probably be in soon and ruin any chances of a civil discussion though, but you've been here longer than me so you already know that

agreed on this. TNA just cant handle a civil discussion about politics

You guys want to get a room or something. I've been debating politics on this site far longer than both of you combined.

But please continue making catty comments.

Jan 16, 2013

In 2011, the FBI concluded there were 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs. I say we ban hammers!!! It's the gateway weapon to guns!!!

40,000 people die each year from car accidents.

400,000 people die each year from smoking. 600,000 from second-hand smoke.

What the fuck is wrong with you Democrats? If you're going to ban something, don't make it Big Gulps and Guns.

Jan 16, 2013
BTbanker:

In 2011, the FBI concluded there were 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs. I say we ban hammers!!! It's the gateway weapon to guns!!!

40,000 people die each year from car accidents.

400,000 people die each year from smoking. 600,000 from second-hand smoke.

What the fuck is wrong with you Democrats? If you're going to ban something, don't make it Big Gulps and Guns.

Red herrings everywhere!!!!!

Jan 16, 2013
TheKing:
BTbanker:

In 2011, the FBI concluded there were 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs. I say we ban hammers!!! It's the gateway weapon to guns!!!

40,000 people die each year from car accidents.

400,000 people die each year from smoking. 600,000 from second-hand smoke.

What the fuck is wrong with you Democrats? If you're going to ban something, don't make it Big Gulps and Guns.

Red herrings everywhere!!!!!

Agree. But a sincere question for the crowd that's in favor of more and more gun control just to actually see what the belief is... does you guys think that gun control laws making it harder to buy assault rifles will actually stop people from getting assault rifles? And that if guns aren't as readily available people won't kill the people they want to kill? Just want to get a picture of the level or lack of cynicism on the other side of the coin. I tend to think a lot of these arguments boil down to one's faith in the human race.

Jan 16, 2013

Gun control is just like school spending. There is never an absolute point where people say enough.

If Obama passes every gun control measure he wants, the sheep will bleat out with joy, until the next shooting which we all know will happen.

Then the drones will cry out for more rules to keep them safe and the dance will continue. Gun control is about gun confiscation. Any compromise is one step closer to the the destruction of one of this countries most important rights.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Jan 16, 2013

Thank you for posting this summary.
Really really lame Executive order, and the Legislative proposals are typical and without imagination.
I guess the NRA propposal to have an armed guard in school wasn't so crazy after all, since one of Obama's 4 proposals was to provide money for "resource officers."

Jan 16, 2013

Our irrationality and fear based society is what led us to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. It got us Homeland Security and is leading to the further erosion of our rights.

Jan 16, 2013

And by "handle" I am sure you mean simply agree with additional, ineffective measures that restrict freedom for law abiding citizens.

If this was about saving human lives and reducing gun deaths the answer would be simple and in the vein of freedom and what this country is about. Stop the war on drugs. Legalize marijuana. Increase policing in inner city areas. Stop arresting everyone and simply provide safety so kids can go to school and parents can work.

Spend money to reach out to the black community to increase birth control and reduce single family households. Stuff like that. Because gun violence is predominately concentrated in these areas.

But that doesn't get CNN coverage. No one wants to talk about that. People want to ban scary looking rifles or reduce clip sizes, yet it only takes one or two bullets to kill someone and the majority of violence and deaths are will illegal handguns, which already have strict regulations.

Naaaa, continue to push for rules that wont be enforced, as is apparent by Obama issuing exec. orders to start fully enforcing rules on the books. Continue to act like chicken little when a school gets shot up, but ignore the daily onslaught of deaths in Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington, New Orleans, Detroit, etc. All caused by drugs, poverty and lawlessness, not crazy people with rifles.

Jan 16, 2013

Lets not forget this interesting thing called facts.

1) CT shooter was denied when he went to buy a gun - law worked

2) He committed a crime to obtain his weapons.

a) He murdered his mother
b) He stole her guns

So a criminal obtained weapons to use in an unlawful act. No law would stop this. Nothing short of gun confiscation would have stopped this. Obama is using a horrible event to further his political agenda.

Jan 16, 2013

It does seem like some of these executive orders... shouldn't have to be executive orders? lol

"Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

"Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

... it takes an EO to do this? (there may be more, I just looked for two examples real quick)

also.. I don't particularly dislike Obama, but way to play the kid angle with those four kids behind him... and reading letters from them asking for change...? What was that for? Those kids weren't exactly being specific, was reading the sympathetic letters from those kids supposed to be cute? Or were we actually supposed to listen to what these grade schoolers have to say about gun control?

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Jan 16, 2013

I wish we could have read all the letter from the children of dead soldiers who died fighting for the ideals of this country. Those would be equally moving.

But I expect this from Obama. Maybe if Obama took economic policy from children also things would be better.

Jan 16, 2013

One thing to note that gay marriage isn't in the Bill of Rights. We have Rights and we have things we'd like to have happen.

Guns are a right of Americans. Marriage was never something the government got involved in, not until around the Civil War. And the same irrational fear that is pushing for gun control is the fear that led us to having Gitmo.

Jan 16, 2013
TNA:

One thing to note that gay marriage isn't in the Bill of Rights. We have Rights and we have things we'd like to have happen.

Guns are a right of Americans. Marriage was never something the government got involved in, not until around the Civil War. And the same irrational fear that is pushing for gun control is the fear that led us to having Gitmo.

...except that Gitmo involves indefinite imprisonment and is cheered on by the anti-gun control crowd. The amount of cognitive dissonance on the far right is truly mind blowing. I do not know how their heads don't explode other than they just don't care because it's muslims and not white "good moral christian" males that get sent to Gitmo.

Jan 16, 2013
TheKing:
TNA:

One thing to note that gay marriage isn't in the Bill of Rights. We have Rights and we have things we'd like to have happen.

Guns are a right of Americans. Marriage was never something the government got involved in, not until around the Civil War. And the same irrational fear that is pushing for gun control is the fear that led us to having Gitmo.

...except that Gitmo involves indefinite imprisonment and is cheered on by the anti-gun control crowd. The amount of cognitive dissonance on the far right is truly mind blowing. I do not know how their heads don't explode other than they just don't care because it's muslims and not white "good moral christian" males that get sent to Gitmo.

I think there's too much generalizations of anti-gun and anti-gun control crowds going on

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Jan 16, 2013
TheKing:
TNA:

One thing to note that gay marriage isn't in the Bill of Rights. We have Rights and we have things we'd like to have happen.

Guns are a right of Americans. Marriage was never something the government got involved in, not until around the Civil War. And the same irrational fear that is pushing for gun control is the fear that led us to having Gitmo.

...except that Gitmo involves indefinite imprisonment and is cheered on by the anti-gun control crowd. The amount of cognitive dissonance on the far right is truly mind blowing. I do not know how their heads don't explode other than they just don't care because it's muslims and not white "good moral christian" males that get sent to Gitmo.

C'mon now. Plenty of people who pull the lever for Democrats have little sympathy for Gitmo and bombings. NYC overwhelmingly voted for Obama, but probably support all the strong arm measures. Look at Bloombergs Constitutionally bullshit "Stop and Frisk" policy which keeps NYC safe (which is grey zone allowed I suppose).

And I suppose one could argue that the Constitution protects Americans, not foreign nationals.

Plenty of cognitive dissonance on the left. A bunch of highly educated white people who support gay marriage and green energy, voted into office by people who are not educated, don't support gay marriage and are impacted by the higher costs associated with green energy.

I am 100% supportive of solar and wind. I don't care if my energy bill doubles or my food prices triple. I can afford it. But you know who bitches? Poor people.

Can Republicans and Democrats just merge into a group that disenfranchises all poor (Dem Voters) and dumb (Republican Voters) people with a bifurcated freedom structure?

Jan 16, 2013

Can someone help me understand why "assault rifles" have to be outlawed if high capacity magazines are? What makes a 30-06 with a 10 round magazine any better than an AR-15 with a 10 round magazine? The 30-06 has more powerful bullets... it just looks like an actual hunting rifle. It's like banning sports cars and seizing my Chevy Malibu after I do some cosmetic work and make it look like a Ferarri... it just doesn't make sense and it makes me think twice about listening to people who want "assault rifles" banned so much when it's obvious that they have no understanding of guns.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Jan 16, 2013

People are irrational and motivated by fear. Handguns kill the majority of people, but right now it isn't possible to go after them. So the gun confiscation army attacks the low hanging fruit.

You know how you bury someone alive? One shovel of dirt at a time. Same thing with removing an American freedom. One little law, one little restriction at a time.

Jan 16, 2013

To add: one of the biggest problems I have with so many complaints on the right is that they literally sat silently from 2001 - 2008.

Silent on spending. Silent on war. Silent on the debt. Silent on the PATRIOT ACT. Silent on the use of Executive Orders. Etc. Etc.

It just comes off as transparently partisan bullshit because of all the rights that were "trampled" under Bush. All the sudden we have a Tyrannical President? What a laughable joke.

Jan 16, 2013
TheKing:

To add: one of the biggest problems I have with so many complaints on the right is that they literally sat silently from 2001 - 2008.

Silent on spending. Silent on war. Silent on the debt. Silent on the PATRIOT ACT. Silent on the use of Executive Orders. Etc. Etc.

It just comes off as transparently partisan bullshit because of all the rights that were "trampled" under Bush. All the sudden we have a Tyrannical President? What a laughable joke.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-app...

Bush had a 90% approval rating. You think Congress is going to buck him (which it should have). The sheep called for blood and blood was given.

I just finished reading Fiasco and the real scumbags of the Iraq war were Wolfowitz, Brenner and Rumsfeld.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz

This piece of trash is a traitor to the USA and should be brought to trial. All reports showed that Bush, pre 9/11 and pre Wolfowitz had no desire to get into Iraq.

Jan 16, 2013

interesting to see TNA and TheKing can always pull out informational and persuasive reasonings
pretty entertaining while educational to some extent

Jan 16, 2013

What I think the saddest side effect of all of this will be is the stigma that mental illness is getting. Just wait until we require doctors (thanks Obamacare) to report mental illness or duress and it prevents people from getting guns.

Already done with the MIB. Go to the doctors and have potential cancer indications? Reported to the MIB and good luck trying to get insurance (life/health). Same will happen. Depressed cause your dog died? No gun for you.

Further stripping rights away. While I agree mental illness needs to be focused on, normal people get bummed out. I think you will see people avoid much needed help out of the fear that it will be reported. Only only needs to look at the military to see this in action.

Jan 16, 2013

GSElevator: #1: If guns were illegal, no one would get shot. Sort of like how no one can buy drugs.

Jan 16, 2013

Sad day for America.

Jan 16, 2013

Obama can take my 12-round clip from my cold dead hands, cocksucker.

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Jan 16, 2013

^yeah... the capacity of a "high capacity magazine" is really up to whoever you ask. I'm looking at getting a glock 21 and it's standard magazines hold 13 rounds of .45 acp... that's not high capacity, that's standard capacity.. well, as far as I'm concerned

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Jan 16, 2013
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If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Jan 16, 2013